Q&A with Shadow Pro

Pharma
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[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:
Hey Shadow, Currently a little over 13 weeks out. Im adding in tren and mast for pre-contest at 11 weeks out. (Currently only on 600 Test, 400 Deca) and i cant get caber. So do you think a high dose of B6 should be enough to keep tren sides away or should i get some prami on hand just in case?

Thanks
Jekyll
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Have you used tren before? And how tren do you plan on using? If you’re not sensitive and you’re on a relatively low to medium dose then the b6 will do the trick but if you are sensitive or planning to run a high dose you should get prami on hand.

By the way…Pretty sure most peptide sites sell caber?
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Havent used before, will be low-medium depending on how i react (Dont want to go too high and get bad sides)

My customs is strict, site warns on AUs customs stopping certain products which includes caber. Prami is not stopped however.

Edit: Tren Ace too btw.[/quote]

I think B6 will work since you’re doing a low to medium dose but since you’ve never tried it before just get the prami just incase. That sucks about customs!

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What’s your stance on cycling? Do you feel it’s dumb?

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T3
Clen
Proviron
Injectable winny
Halo
Nolva

You’ve mentioned all of these. Do you always make sure to use pharma/human grade or are you sometimes forced to use underground labs capsules or research liquids?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tweeder wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tweeder wrote:
Sorry for the poor memory but did you mention that most pros put the majority of their gear in their lats?

Whether or not you said that, do you? Can you pin them yourself or do you have someone else do it? I’ve definitely heard of some pros putting quite large volumous amount of their gear in their lats…[/quote]

I didn’t mention that, but I do inject my lats and do up to 3ml in each lat. I know some people who do it themselves but I can’t reach so I have my girl do it for me. I’m a big fan of rotating as much as possible to prevent scar tissue.
Quads/glutes/shoulders/lats 3ml
Rear delts 2-2.5ml
Biceps/triceps 1ml
[/quote]

3ml in a barrel all in one spot? Is there a high, middle, and low spot on each side of the lat or do you just go for the meatiest part all the time? Does your wife go in from the side(arm raised) or from the rear…directly in or up and in?

I know some guys that only hit the lat with the slin pin, but if it can hold a decent amount in one spot I dont want to waste my time doing that slin pin in the lat crap.[/quote]

I try and hit a different spot every time, I prefer not to have my arm up but I’ve done it before. I actually prefer to hit the lower lats, I’ve never had any issues. I usually use a 23 gauge, 1" needle for the lats and injections could be straight in unless you’re doing them youself then you’ll be on a bit of a weird angle unless you’re flexible.

I don’t use a Slin pin either, I don’t have the patience.[/quote]

Awesome. Thanks. Straight into lat from the side or the rear? This is a question assuming you can’t do it yourself straight in from the front -pinning with your arm raised. I am not flexible enough.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Robolus88 wrote:
Especially your thougts about HCG would interest me, because i read a lot of bad things about it, like theres the possibility that its shutting down your system forever and suppresses your natural testosteron production while using…thats something i couldnt live with.

[/quote]

I’m not Shadow (damn I wish I was) but I’ll tell you right now that hCG is NOT going to shut down your system forever. Quite the opposite, in fact. It’s part of the therapy a doctor will prescribe to turn your system back on after lengthy shutdown.[/quote]

Yogi, how did you get so smart? No, you don’t wish you were me… I’m an old bastard now![/quote]

lol, just by listening to dudes like you, brother!

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:
What do you think about stacking Eq and Deca together. I made a thread about the question but figured you stay swamped in here lol.[/quote]

Ya, you’re right about that… I missed that one, I’ve been pretty busy here. It’s okay but I would prefer to use eq in a very high dose, if you use over 1g of eq you’ll experience great size gains(similar to deca) with less water retention and increased appetite. If you have joint issues, you can throw deca in there but at a very low dose. I don’t see any of these compounds giving you any significant strength gains so instead of the deca I would use tren-e in its place.
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The only reason I don’t want to run Tren is I have practically ran it for year straight at 200-1000mg usually sitting around 700mg week average I would say. I came off of it about 2 1/2 months ago complete and started it back up and am having some insane aggression I would like to save for meet time. Also def love Deca for the joint reliefso would like to keep it low as you suggested.So keep Deca low EQ high. Highest I have ran it is 750mg. So I’ll take you advice. What you think.

1250mg of Test
1200mg of Eq
300mg of Deca

4 weeks out of meet
50-75mg of Tren Ace
Halo 10mg Daily

I guess I should be fair and finally give the stats you ask for in order to help you help me.

Age 23
Training Age 6 year (4 military Crossfit type / 2 Powerlifting)
Height: 5’6"
Weight: 225-230lbs
BF: 16-18 (can clearly see and IF light is right haha)
Squat: 600
Bench: 340 (horrible I know)
Deadlift: 580

Diet: 3000ish Calories a day I don’t count exactly.
2 pounds of chicken or beef a day
1 pound of Brown Rice (pre cooked weight)
Eat through out the day.
6 eggs
Oatmeal for Breakfast 1 cup with Brown Sugar and Cinnamon.

Have a shake of 30g of pro/60g of simple sugar.

AAS History:

Was a idiot in high school did two piss poor cycles with no PCT or AIs and completely shit my self down. Was put on TRT at 18. Once Ai got out of Army started a 600 Test/600 Deca cycle and pretty much B+C since then keeping 1000mg Test pretty standard and then using 750mg of another compound.[/quote]

Lower the eq to 1100 and increase the deca to 400. 300 is probably a bit low to help with your joints so I think this will work better for you.

Also, you are doing super high dosages so might as well do it right. Do the tren @75-100mg everyday for the last 4 weeks and drop the deca at this point, it will still be in your system at the time of the meet.

Halo, start with 10mg and increase it by 10mg every week leading up to the meet.(so you’ll finish at 40mg)

As for your diet, it can be much better. I don’t know if you want to change it or not but I would add intraworkout nutrition for sure, you’ll be surprised how much weight you’ll be able to add to the bar just by adding the Plazma. If you are interested in changing your diet, let me know and I can lead you in the right direction.

I’ll be real with you… These dosages are very high but since you’re doing it anyways you might as well do right and if you’re going to cruise after, do it at 500 and not 1000. Any plans to go off at all? You’re still very young so that’s a long lifetime of cruising.
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Ok awesome Shadow thanks for all the advice so far. 40mg of Halo sounds scary lol.

I’m always interested in improving anything that will help so please if you have time I’m interested in the diet changes. I know its some where I lack. As to cruising I meant to put I cruise around 300mg for about 2 months when I do I can bump that 500 no problem. I have no real desire to come off I have been on TRT any way since high school. But I am sure one day I’ll atleast stop blasting.

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Thanks again for all the good info,

You’ve mentioned clenbuterol (which is obviously a staple in BB) multiple times, but there has been no mention of albuterol. Any experience with this? If so any reason why you suggest clen over alb?

Cheers

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Uncreative123 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Uncreative123 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

Here’s a pic. And a friend had suggested using Triptorelin (I believe?) afterwards for PCT. He knows his stuff, has done a lot of research. NPC BB’er. He said it had to be done IM and only takes one shot but brings you back to normal levels straight away. Thoughts?

Also he really suggested cutting down my sodium intake and that could be one of the biggest reasons I appear to be retaining so much water and not near as lean as I actually am. That would also negate the need for dieuretics. He said he personally doesn’t go above 1200mg when getting ready, I think 15-1800 would be more realistic for me…as mine is usually well over 3000mg/day.

I’m getting ready to cut down another 100/cal for the week so I’ll be around 2350cal/day. I know I still have some serious fat to lose.

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You look leaner and drier. I’m not sure about using the triptorelin for pct, I’ve never used it myself and heard mixed reviews about it. I’ve always just gone with a conventional pct because I know it works. Peptides are a hit and miss.

As for your sodium, it’s a very tricky thing. If you cut it too much you’ll come in flat as hell. You can lower it a little bit and see how your body responds, but I wouldn’t mess with it too much because it can fuck with your electrolyte balance and lead to cramping, no pump in the workout and a general overall shitty feeling. Just be very careful. It’s hard to put a number on how much you can cut, everyone is different so you need to find out what works for you. Before so close before a show it isn’t the best time to be experiment.
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Thank you. I decided I’m going to compete July 12th in Colorado. I feel like I’m constantly getting closer and closer and better and better. I wish I had more time, but I really feel you on the “it’s time to give your body a rest” idea. I just want it to be done and over with at this point. I’m in better shape now than I was for my last show, so it’s already a win in my book. It’s been too long and I feel like I need to let my body finally recover. I did my last injection on the 1st. I’m going to start my PCT tomorrow and run it up until the show as you suggested. I’m also running a “de-cycle” detox.

I’ll see how it goes over the next few days whether or not it’s going to be advantageous to run water pills (just Cellucor’s L2) the last few days.
I was thinking about low-carbing for the next 3-4 days straight and then doing moderate carbs leading up to the show. Any thoughts on this? Also I’m going to try and get as much water out naturally by sitting in the steam room and/or sauna. Just wanted to see if you took any issue with that or see any downside to that.

And I guess any last minute advice you can give me leading up to this show. I appreciate it all. You’ve been tremendously helpful. I’ll post pics as it gets closer.
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I need to see another recent picture to answer these questions. I don’t want to give you random advice 10 days out from a show, things are changing by the day.
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Here you go. Just did these a few min ago. On the phone so I can’t really shrink it down any

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[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
What’s your stance on cycling? Do you feel it’s dumb?[/quote]

I don’t think I understand the question… If you mean cycling steroids I think that’s a very smart idea. And if you mean cycling as in a bicycle, that’s also a good idea for bikers.

Cycling steroids is a great idea for most people, some pros however don’t come off and if they do it’s always according to competition schedule.

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[quote]
Here you go. Just did these a few min ago. On the phone so I can’t really shrink it down any[/quote]

You definitely lost some fat but you still have a little bit to lose. You look drier and harder than the last set of pics I saw.

When you say you’re starting your pct now, I hope you just mean anti estrogens. Keep the HCG for after the show because it will make you hold water. Run arimidex, nolvadex and Proviron all the way to the show. According to these pictures I wouldn’t take any diuretics (prescription or over the counter) you already look a bit flat here and it will only make it worse. You can do the next 3-4 days low carbs (not sure what low carb means to you but just do less than usual) this will help you lose some more fat.

Slowly bump up your carbs to your normal range in the 4 days leading up to the show. NOTHING CRAZY, JUST YOUR NORMAL AMOUNT OF CARBS AND POSSIBLY A TAD HIGHER. then according to how you look at that point you can decide whether to take diuretics or not, this decision can only be made in the final days depending on how you look and either way don’t take them more than 2 days prior to the show, maybe 3 with natural diuretics. If you did sauna and steam room throughout your prep it’s fine to do them but if you haven’t don’t bother introducing your body to something new at this point, it’ll cause more harm than good.

Best last minute advice I can give you is to KEEP THINGS SIMPLE! Don’t experiment or do things that your body isn’t used to. Anything drastic you do at this point will hurt you so stick with what you know.

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[quote]Tweeder wrote:
T3
Clen
Proviron
Injectable winny
Halo
Nolva

You’ve mentioned all of these. Do you always make sure to use pharma/human grade or are you sometimes forced to use underground labs capsules or research liquids?[/quote]

If pharma is available I will always go that route but I have excellent ug source so I’m fine either way. I usually get the winstrol from the vet. Let’s just say I’m very fortunate to have chemists as friends.

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[quote]Tweeder wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tweeder wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tweeder wrote:
Sorry for the poor memory but did you mention that most pros put the majority of their gear in their lats?

Whether or not you said that, do you? Can you pin them yourself or do you have someone else do it? I’ve definitely heard of some pros putting quite large volumous amount of their gear in their lats…[/quote]

I didn’t mention that, but I do inject my lats and do up to 3ml in each lat. I know some people who do it themselves but I can’t reach so I have my girl do it for me. I’m a big fan of rotating as much as possible to prevent scar tissue.
Quads/glutes/shoulders/lats 3ml
Rear delts 2-2.5ml
Biceps/triceps 1ml
[/quote]

3ml in a barrel all in one spot? Is there a high, middle, and low spot on each side of the lat or do you just go for the meatiest part all the time? Does your wife go in from the side(arm raised) or from the rear…directly in or up and in?

I know some guys that only hit the lat with the slin pin, but if it can hold a decent amount in one spot I dont want to waste my time doing that slin pin in the lat crap.[/quote]

I try and hit a different spot every time, I prefer not to have my arm up but I’ve done it before. I actually prefer to hit the lower lats, I’ve never had any issues. I usually use a 23 gauge, 1" needle for the lats and injections could be straight in unless you’re doing them youself then you’ll be on a bit of a weird angle unless you’re flexible.

I don’t use a Slin pin either, I don’t have the patience.[/quote]

Awesome. Thanks. Straight into lat from the side or the rear? This is a question assuming you can’t do it yourself straight in from the front -pinning with your arm raised. I am not flexible enough.[/quote]

Straight in or from the rear will work, I do both because I don’t like to hit the same spot all the time. Its a big muscle there so there’s a lot of places to hit, I also go between 1" and 1.5" here.

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[quote]

Ok awesome Shadow thanks for all the advice so far. 40mg of Halo sounds scary lol.

I’m always interested in improving anything that will help so please if you have time I’m interested in the diet changes. I know its some where I lack. As to cruising I meant to put I cruise around 300mg for about 2 months when I do I can bump that 500 no problem. I have no real desire to come off I have been on TRT any way since high school. But I am sure one day I’ll atleast stop blasting.[/quote]

Ok fair enough, 40mg of halo is not that bad… I’m going up to 70 in the last 2 weeks before the show and 3-4 weeks after my liver enzymes are going back to normal. It’s not as bad as people make it out to be, for strength gains nothing will give you the same results. If you want to do well in your meet I’d highly recommend it.

As for your diet, I will give you a few basic recommendations that would help you out for powerlifting
-higher carbs on heavy training days, lower carbs on low or off days… The difference should be big. If you do 500g on training days, do about 1/2 in your off days. You don’t need the carbs for energy on your off days, it will just make you fat. This will give you the opportunity to eat larger amounts when you really need it.
-introduce intraworkout nutrition, I do believe this will make a huge difference in anyone training for strength or physique purposes.
-learn to count your macros, you need to know roughly how much protein, carbs and fats you’re having so it’s easier to make adjustments so you can progress.
-have red meat once a day, I find that red meat rather than chicken or other white meat makes significant differences in overall energy and strength gains.

Since you’re doing very high doses, I think cruising at 500 is a good idea.

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[quote]DC_Rolls wrote:
Thanks again for all the good info,

You’ve mentioned clenbuterol (which is obviously a staple in BB) multiple times, but there has been no mention of albuterol. Any experience with this? If so any reason why you suggest clen over alb?

Cheers[/quote]

I like albuterol, it causes less cramping and shaking… It’s a bit weaker but still a good choice. I usually use clenbuterol because I get it from a pharmacy.

Both will work, Clen is stronger but albuterol will give you less side effects so the choice is up to you.

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Here’s another. Felt really dry at the gym for once. Don’t think the pic quite does it justice.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

Yeah I’m just running nolvadex right now, saving the hcg for after. I always look really flat in the morning when I first take pics. I know I still have a lot of things to work on and fat to lose and not enough time to do it all. I have no delusions of winning- I just want to place and do better than the last show, then take time off and focus on November and using/utilizing everything I’ve learned to really feel like I belong and have a chance at winning. I’ve learned so much over the last month and gotten even more in tune with my body. It’s unreal. I’ll keep you updated all the way up to the show.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]

Ok awesome Shadow thanks for all the advice so far. 40mg of Halo sounds scary lol.

I’m always interested in improving anything that will help so please if you have time I’m interested in the diet changes. I know its some where I lack. As to cruising I meant to put I cruise around 300mg for about 2 months when I do I can bump that 500 no problem. I have no real desire to come off I have been on TRT any way since high school. But I am sure one day I’ll atleast stop blasting.[/quote]

Ok fair enough, 40mg of halo is not that bad… I’m going up to 70 in the last 2 weeks before the show and 3-4 weeks after my liver enzymes are going back to normal. It’s not as bad as people make it out to be, for strength gains nothing will give you the same results. If you want to do well in your meet I’d highly recommend it.

As for your diet, I will give you a few basic recommendations that would help you out for powerlifting
-higher carbs on heavy training days, lower carbs on low or off days… The difference should be big. If you do 500g on training days, do about 1/2 in your off days. You don’t need the carbs for energy on your off days, it will just make you fat. This will give you the opportunity to eat larger amounts when you really need it.
-introduce intraworkout nutrition, I do believe this will make a huge difference in anyone training for strength or physique purposes.
-learn to count your macros, you need to know roughly how much protein, carbs and fats you’re having so it’s easier to make adjustments so you can progress.
-have red meat once a day, I find that red meat rather than chicken or other white meat makes significant differences in overall energy and strength gains.

Since you’re doing very high doses, I think cruising at 500 is a good idea.[/quote]

Just personal experience or is there more to it that makes you think red meat gives better energy+strength gains?

Since it aid’s at performance one should take it as main source of protein in pre-workout meal?

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shadow which Pro competing or retired has get the most gifts in placements?and the opposite who is/was placing lower than he deserved all the time?
i follow pro bodybuilding since 1997 and i have seen some crazy shit judging over the years…
ofcourse i only look at pics and videos i live in greece and sometimes seeing things live makes a hell of a difference,but 2007 Mr O i think vic first,wolf second and dex third was the way to go.
i have no favorite guy . i am not a jay or kai or anyones fan i just want the best man to win!
it would be nice for a change!fantastic article about judging criteria by the way.

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[quote]dutchie1 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]

Ok awesome Shadow thanks for all the advice so far. 40mg of Halo sounds scary lol.

I’m always interested in improving anything that will help so please if you have time I’m interested in the diet changes. I know its some where I lack. As to cruising I meant to put I cruise around 300mg for about 2 months when I do I can bump that 500 no problem. I have no real desire to come off I have been on TRT any way since high school. But I am sure one day I’ll atleast stop blasting.[/quote]

Ok fair enough, 40mg of halo is not that bad… I’m going up to 70 in the last 2 weeks before the show and 3-4 weeks after my liver enzymes are going back to normal. It’s not as bad as people make it out to be, for strength gains nothing will give you the same results. If you want to do well in your meet I’d highly recommend it.

As for your diet, I will give you a few basic recommendations that would help you out for powerlifting
-higher carbs on heavy training days, lower carbs on low or off days… The difference should be big. If you do 500g on training days, do about 1/2 in your off days. You don’t need the carbs for energy on your off days, it will just make you fat. This will give you the opportunity to eat larger amounts when you really need it.
-introduce intraworkout nutrition, I do believe this will make a huge difference in anyone training for strength or physique purposes.
-learn to count your macros, you need to know roughly how much protein, carbs and fats you’re having so it’s easier to make adjustments so you can progress.
-have red meat once a day, I find that red meat rather than chicken or other white meat makes significant differences in overall energy and strength gains.

Since you’re doing very high doses, I think cruising at 500 is a good idea.[/quote]

Just personal experience or is there more to it that makes you think red meat gives better energy+strength gains?

Since it aid’s at performance one should take it as main source of protein in pre-workout meal?[/quote]

It’s a personal experience of mine and my clients. I usually eat it twice a day and find that it helps with my strength and pumps in the gym. There’s no study I have to base this on, I just see it working time after time.

I usually eat it 2 hours before my workout and in my post workout meal (45 min after my MAG-10)

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[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow which Pro competing or retired has get the most gifts in placements?and the opposite who is/was placing lower than he deserved all the time?
i follow pro bodybuilding since 1997 and i have seen some crazy shit judging over the years…
ofcourse i only look at pics and videos i live in greece and sometimes seeing things live makes a hell of a difference,but 2007 Mr O i think vic first,wolf second and dex third was the way to go.
i have no favorite guy . i am not a jay or kai or anyones fan i just want the best man to win!
it would be nice for a change!fantastic article about judging criteria by the way.[/quote]

I don’t follow pro bodybuilding closely anymore but i’m pretty sure politics were involved … i know for a fact if ramy gets his calves up he’s gonna be a a huge (literally) threat to phil next year