Q&A with Shadow Pro

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[quote]bubs64 wrote:
Hi

Firstly thanks for all the info and help !! !!

Id like you take on a cycle I am planning on taking .
I have been bodybuilding for quite a few years and just started doing crossfit to
I have done one cycle a long time ago
My goal is to get more lean and stronger

My stats
Male
Age 27
Weight 85kg
Body fat 12%

My training looks like this :
3x a week crossfit in the morning
5x a week weight training in the afternoon

Thinking of take this cycle :

10 weeks or 12 weeks
250mg Test Enth a week
300mg Primobolan a week (or Mastron depending on what you recommend)
50mg Anavar a day
And for PCT Nolvadex

Id appreciate your take on this

Thanks[/quote]

Cycle looks great, this is what I would change… 12 weeks
Week 1-6 test-e @250mg/week
Week 6-12 test-e @400mg/week
Week 1-6 Primobolan @200mg/week
Week 6-12 primo@ 400mg/week
Anavar @60mg/day
Nolvadex @10-20mg/day
HCG 250iu 2x/week

I prefer primo over masteron for this cycle because you are doing crossfit it will give you better strength and masteron would be a better benefit if you were just trying to improve your physique.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. I know earlier you mentioned that you prefer carbs in over fats, but you also mentioned that on off days carb intake should be reduced by a fair amount. So my question is, during the off-season on off days I’ll be reducing my carb intake. Though by doing so I’ll have a hard time consuming as much as calories as I should.

So, how do I obtain the remaining calories on off days to reach my total caloric intake? Should the extra calories come from fats or more carbs? Would this also apply during a cut as well? Assuming I am 200-300 calories short and have consumed my carbs/proteins per day, it fine to consume fats to reach my total calories per day?

  1. During this off-season I plan on using Test E and Tren E to bulk. This is my favourite stack. Do you think I am better off using 500mg Tren E/Week + 1500mg Test E/week or do you think it’s wiser to keep Tren E at 500mg/Week, drop Test E to 1000mg/Week and add EQ to the stack? I’ve used EQ in the past at 600mg/week, but it doesn’t seem to do too much aside from increase vascularity and appetite. Would would you say the sweetspot is for EQ to get its full benefits? Also would you say 500mg Tren E/Week during the off-season is a sufficient dose?

3.For someone that weights 240-245lbs in the off-season at 6’0 what dose of humalog would you suggest pre-work out? I’ve used 7-15IU in the past. I’ve heard of guys going up to 20IU and I’ve heard of guys saying anything over 10IU will add too much fat. In your opinion, is the dose of Humalog used dependent on the user’s muscle mass/weight? Or could say a 240lbs athlete use as much as a 200lbs athlete and still have the same benefits?

In general, what would you say is the sweetspot in order to receive significant benefits, without adding too much fat. I am personally thinking of sticking at 10IU pre-work out and maybe going up to 12IU if I go past 250? Still not sure if I should increase the dose as I get heavier or not.

On a side, I know that it’s not wise to consume fats for 4 hours after Humalog is administrated in order to avoid fat gains. Do you think fats should be avoided 30 minutes-60 minutes before Humalog is taken as well? I am just thinking that if a person has ingested fats shortly before Humalog is administrated, then those fats could lead to fat gains as well. What’s your take on this?[/quote]

  1. In your off days, you don’t necessarily need to replace those calories especially while cutting. The lower calorie days (because of the drop in carbs) will help you get leaner and remember when you aren’t training you don’t exert as much energy so you don’t need to eat as much, this is why your calorie needs on off days are different.

As for your off season, I would probably only cut the intraworkout carbs,so just don’t drink your Plazma on off days and just exchange the protein from the Plazma to another protein source and maybe add 20g more of fat on these days. Only add the fats if you are in a gaining phase. If you are using a high carb approach while dieting your fats shouldn’t be more 50g a day (100g in off season)

  1. You’re doing pretty high dosages so I hope you’re an experience user. I think going to 1500mg of test is too high for most people, I would keep it at 1g and bump up the tren to 600-800 (if you’re experience) and eq 800-1000. The thing with eq is that for most experienced users you’ll only see results in very high dosages, I went up to 1200mg/week and some people are doing 1500 and getting great size gains. Again, these dosages are for very experienced and high level users. Not dosages for intermediate training.

  2. insulin dosages depends on your insulin sensitivity, it has little to do with how much you weigh but a lot to do with how your body is handling carbs, I know 200kb bodybuilders who use over 20iu of insulin preworkout and stay lean and 260lb bodybuilders who use 10iu and they gain fat because it’s too much for them.

You can keep increasing the dose as long as you’re not gaining fat. The only way to know is to experiment, so start low and go up from there. If your body handles carbs well you won’t gain fat but if you’re insulin resistant then you will.

  1. I would definitely avoid fat 30 min prior to insulin as well, just to be on the safe side.

If you can post a picture I will give you a better idea about insulin use specific to you. Usually the leaner you are, the more carbs you can eat and the more insulin you can use.[/quote]

Sure. I attached two pics from my last off-season. There are at 235lbs at 6’0. I used slin 4 weeks on-4weeks off at 15IU pre-work out. I looked bigger and fuller day by day up until mid-end of week 2. After that I started looking puffy and too watery. I definitely added some fat. My dose of GH was only 4IU/Day though. In general my metabolism is decent. If I eat well, I get lean fast, if I eat shity I’ll get fat. So I guess I am right in the middle. I am very prone to holding a shit ton of water from high sodium and high carb intake though. What dose of Slin do you think I should use? With 15IU pre-work out I was able to get away with drinking 50g of carbs 15 mins before I took my shake, and another 50g during my work out without going hypo. Though like I said I added more fat than desired at 15IU.

As for my cycle, you think the following should be g2g?
Test E 1g/week
EQ 900mg/week
Tren E 600mg/week

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[quote]charnybrah wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charnybrah wrote:
Hey!

First of all I’d like to thank you for your time and all the information you gave in this topic. I would also like to apologize in advance for all the grammar and syntax errors in my message, French is my first language.

I’m 24 years old, 5’11 and 180 pounds. I’m not sure about my bf% but I’m most likely around 10%. I’ll attach a picture to this message if you’d like to guess it for me. I’m currently starting the 6th week of this cycle :

  • 1-14 : 250mg test enanthate EW
  • 1-14 : 600mg tren enanthate EW
  • 8-14 : 50mg winstrol ED

I might also add 400mg masteron enanthate for the last 6 weeks. Would it be a good idea or would it be useless?

It’s my first cutting cycle, I’m not competing yet but I wanted to try those compounds to see how my body react to them. I’d like to compete in men physic but I think I’m not big enough for that yet. How big and how conditioned are the men physic competitors?

I’m currently eating approximately 2300 calories per day. I’ve been at 180 pounds for a couple of week but I’ve been dropping a lot of fat. This is my current diet on paper :

Breakfast (209 calories 32c 2f 18p) :

  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt

Meal 1 (388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Meal 2 (321 calories 38c 2f 37p) :

  • 100g cooked chicken breast
  • 1/2cup white rice
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Pre-workout meal (265 calories 47c 6f 8p) :

  • 85g elbow macaroni
  • 1 tsp olive oil
  • 4 olives
  • sliced onions

Intra-workout :

  • BCAA
  • 2-3 rice cakes (Sometime I eat them in the locker room before hitting the iron) : 105 calories 21c 0f 3p

Post-workout (240 calories 30c 2.5f 24p):

  • 60g whey
  • 30g maltodextrin
  • 5g glutamine

Post-workout meal (30-60minutes after workout)(388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Night snack (226 calories 33c 1f 19p) :

  • 1cup raw spinach
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt
  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal

Pre-bed (127 calories 2c 2.5f 24p)

  • 60g whey
  • 5g glutamine
  • 1.25g ashwagandha

For a total of :

  • 2259 calories
  • 268g carbs
  • 23g fats
  • 244g proteins

Am I eating too low fats? Is it normal that I get a lot of “carb rages” during the day? Sometime I feel I can’t function correctly until I eat a bowl of cereal ahah.

I’d like some critics on my physic if possible.

I took this picture last friday.

Thank you in advance!
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Bonjour! Your English is fine my friend!

You’re closer to 7-8% bodyfat (not 10%)

Take into consideration that the leaner you are, the more carbs and calories in general you can eat. The reason you’re experiences these carb rages is because your general macros are just too low. A few things I would change immediately are:
-intraworkout nutrition, you need specific types and amounts of carbs and protein while you train… Best way to get it is from Plazma, nothing else will be close or comparable. Drink 2 servings intraworkout, this will give you better workouts, better recovery and better gains.(an extra 76g of carbs/day and 30g protein)
-increase fats to 50g/day… Consume them before bed and in your second meal
-increase protein to at least 300g/day… Add this from hydrolyzed casein (MAG-10) 1.5 servings post workout and first thing in the morning 30min before breakfast.
-try to get protein @ 50g/meal (approx.)

  • if you want to add masteron for 6 weeks, use masteron-prop not enanthate. That isn’t enough time to get results from a long ester. 100mg eod will do the trick and it’ll get you even harder and leaner than you are already.
  • I think you should increase your test dosage to at least a 1:1 ratio with your tren… So about 600mg/week. This is part of the reason why you feel like crap.

As for competing in men’s physique, you can definitely do this soon but you’ll have to add a little more size… Maybe about 3-4lbs of muscle at most. They are coming in around 5% bodyfat so you’re not that far off. Your weak point is your chest and you can also use a bit more size on your arms and shoulders.

Trust me, the Plazma will do wonders for your physique and your overall feeling. Get on these recommendations ASAP and let me know how you do.

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Thank you for your response! I’ll get on these recommendations as soon as possible and I’ll give you some news about my progress soon.

I also had another question. I’m currently planning my winter blast and I was thinking about something like :

  • 1-14(16?) : 600-800mg test e (T400)
  • 1-14(16?) : 600mg equipoise
  • 1-14(16?) : 300-450mg deca (depending on the test dose)
  • 1-4 : 20-40mg dbol
  • 1-4 : 25mg winstrol

I’ve heard good reviews about combining dbol and winny, would it be a good idea to combine them? I’m also thinking about eq because I’m playing hockey during the winter so it will help with my endurance. Deca is there for mass of course!

I’ll be on 4k calories per day, not quite sure how my macros will look like yet.

My goal with that cycle is to increase my endurance and gain mass. I might just drop the deca and increase the eq to 900-1200mg per week.

Do you have any suggestions? Thank you in advance!
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Can you please post a picture, the cycle you are suggesting for your off season is pretty harsh. Considering your goals I would agree to dropping the deca and increasing your eq…maybe add tren-e to this mix. Dbol and winstrol together are a good combo but they are hard on your liver so I wouldn’t use both together unless strength is your main goal. For mass gains you can do other stuff.

Please post a picture and then I’ll give you a better answer

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[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
Shadow,
Question regarding nutrition and I apologize if you answered it already, I have been following along and don’t recall you having answered.

On your off season how many cheat meals per week do you have, both when on gear and off? I’m assuming of course less cheat meals during the 3 months you take off. I also fully realize you can get away with more or larger cheats as you have a lot more muscle than someone like myself.

I know you aren’t a fan of IIFYM and I’m not either but do you know of any pro’s who use this method? I have never heard of a pro doing this but was curious if maybe some did in the off season.

Awesome thread, thank you for joining the site![/quote]

In my off season I do 2 cheat meals a week, usually Wednesday and Saturday. Honestly, I’m forcing myself to have them because I’m eating so much as is. When I’m dieting I have 1 cheat meal a week on my off day, usually the day before leg day and I do it religiously until 2 weeks out.

You are correct, the more muscle you have and the leaner you are then the more food you can handle and you can usually get away with more cheat.

I’ll say it very clear… THERE IS NOT ONE MALE PRO BODYBUILDER THAT USES IIFYM, it might work for a regular fat person that is just trying to lose a bit of weight. Any professional athlete trying to use this will not be able to progress to the required level, it would be a miserable fail. The quality of your food is just as important as the quantity. You can’t compare pizza to steak and potato! Look at the people who promote this diet, show me a high level athlete that it works for…

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[quote]nykau wrote:
Yo Shadow (awesome thread by the way)
In my case, I started bodybuilding competition when I was 20 (start lifting at 15) and now I plan my next off season preparation (I’ll compete in april 2015)
Right now I’m 27 years old, 220 pound, 5’11 (around 6-8 bf), and I compete in light heavyweight (goal: national in 2016).

I changed my macro recently (higher carbs/lower fat), because I always worked with high fat and low carbs and loved it, but sometimes you need to try something else haha!

For my next cycle: I was thinking about

1-14 weeks: test cyp (900mg/week)
1-8 weeks: tren en (400mg/week)
1-14 weeks: Eq (400mg/week)
1-4 8-12 weeks: humalog (5-10 ui preworkout)

I already tried all those, but never this mix, and felt great with all of them.
I tried Plazma too this year and plan on keeping it during my off season (never mixed it with insulin yet)

Is there something you would see that might look better? (sorry for my english…french canadian here)

Thanks again, that’s a lot of good info in here[/quote]

Great job, you’re looking very good here my friend! Nice tiny waist and I can see in your avatar that your upper body looks great and with some more mass on your legs and hamstrings I think you’ll do great in nationals.

This is a beautiful physique!

Good call on changing your diet to higher carbs and lower fat, your gains should be much greater now. I’m assuming you’re an experience user both by how you look and the cycle you suggested. So in your case I’ll actually offer to increase the dose. Increase the test dose to 1g/week,increase tren up to 600-800mg/week and use it for 10weeks not 8, increase eq in order to get mass benefits 800mg-1000mg/week will help you(don’t worry it’s a relatively gentle drug)

Since you are very lean, you can start your insulin with 10iu and 100g from Plazma and go up from there. Increase it by 2-3iu every 2 weeks and adjust your carbs accordingly. The leaner you are, the more carbs you can handle so take advantage of this. I would add 20mg of nolvadex to the cycle everyday and 250iu HCG every other day. This is one of my favorite stacks, and if you can add GH to this you will have the best gains of your life (even 4iu would do the trick)

For most people I would suggest to lower their dosage but in your case I think pushing heavy on your off season with your genetics will take you to the next level. Since you are trying to do well in the national level it’s time to take the next step.

Your english is just fine!

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]nykau wrote:
Yo Shadow (awesome thread by the way)
In my case, I started bodybuilding competition when I was 20 (start lifting at 15) and now I plan my next off season preparation (I’ll compete in april 2015)
Right now I’m 27 years old, 220 pound, 5’11 (around 6-8 bf), and I compete in light heavyweight (goal: national in 2016).

I changed my macro recently (higher carbs/lower fat), because I always worked with high fat and low carbs and loved it, but sometimes you need to try something else haha!

For my next cycle: I was thinking about

1-14 weeks: test cyp (900mg/week)
1-8 weeks: tren en (400mg/week)
1-14 weeks: Eq (400mg/week)
1-4 8-12 weeks: humalog (5-10 ui preworkout)

I already tried all those, but never this mix, and felt great with all of them.
I tried Plazma too this year and plan on keeping it during my off season (never mixed it with insulin yet)

Is there something you would see that might look better? (sorry for my english…french canadian here)

Thanks again, that’s a lot of good info in here[/quote]

HOLY SHIT

One hell of a physique you’ve got there brother! Would love to see you more active in other parts of the forum.
[/quote]

I agree, this kid has one hell of a physique!

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[quote]Batman00 wrote:
Whats the amounts for a first try with Tren Ace and Test Prop? Used to doing 500mg Test prop cycles. [/quote]

Start with 75mg every other day for both. If all goes well, you can increase it mid cycle to 100mg eod. In your next cycle you can try higher dosages if everything is ok.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Since “anything goes” here’s one I’ve been wondering. What’s a typical stack for a high level female figure competitor? Thanks in advance. [/quote]

Very individual like everything else. Depending on the female, some are reacting better than others. I can’t give you a general stack but I can give you a list of substances they may use and an estimate of how much.
What they use and when would depends if they are in off season or cutting.

By far the most popular would be anavar, anywhere from 5mg-50mg
Next popular would be fat burners including t3 12.5mcg and some crazy ass girls have went up to 200mcg/day because of bad coaching or dieting issues. Or Clen.
Some of them use masteron and primobolan between 50-200mg/week
Some use winstrol 10-20mg/day
GH 2-3iu/day
Another popular thing are antiestrogens (use and abuse) arimidex and Proviron

This is very general, it depends on the girl for when and what they are using.
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fucking hell it scares me that a chick would use masteron! And 50mg of var is crazy too[/quote]

Some of them will do anything they can to win regardless of chin and chest hair hahaha! Just like us guys!
Unfortunately, they pay a lot bigger price than us in this game… It’s amazing to see how big some of them are in person. Some of them don’t look like much in person but know how to present themselves on stage and others looks bigger than men’s physique competitors in my gyms.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]nykau wrote:
Yo Shadow (awesome thread by the way)
In my case, I started bodybuilding competition when I was 20 (start lifting at 15) and now I plan my next off season preparation (I’ll compete in april 2015)
Right now I’m 27 years old, 220 pound, 5’11 (around 6-8 bf), and I compete in light heavyweight (goal: national in 2016).

I changed my macro recently (higher carbs/lower fat), because I always worked with high fat and low carbs and loved it, but sometimes you need to try something else haha!

For my next cycle: I was thinking about

1-14 weeks: test cyp (900mg/week)
1-8 weeks: tren en (400mg/week)
1-14 weeks: Eq (400mg/week)
1-4 8-12 weeks: humalog (5-10 ui preworkout)

I already tried all those, but never this mix, and felt great with all of them.
I tried Plazma too this year and plan on keeping it during my off season (never mixed it with insulin yet)

Is there something you would see that might look better? (sorry for my english…french canadian here)

Thanks again, that’s a lot of good info in here[/quote]

Great job, you’re looking very good here my friend! Nice tiny waist and I can see in your avatar that your upper body looks great and with some more mass on your legs and hamstrings I think you’ll do great in nationals.

This is a beautiful physique!

Good call on changing your diet to higher carbs and lower fat, your gains should be much greater now. I’m assuming you’re an experience user both by how you look and the cycle you suggested. So in your case I’ll actually offer to increase the dose. Increase the test dose to 1g/week,increase tren up to 600-800mg/week and use it for 10weeks not 8, increase eq in order to get mass benefits 800mg-1000mg/week will help you(don’t worry it’s a relatively gentle drug)

Since you are very lean, you can start your insulin with 10iu and 100g from Plazma and go up from there. Increase it by 2-3iu every 2 weeks and adjust your carbs accordingly. The leaner you are, the more carbs you can handle so take advantage of this. I would add 20mg of nolvadex to the cycle everyday and 250iu HCG every other day. This is one of my favorite stacks, and if you can add GH to this you will have the best gains of your life (even 4iu would do the trick)

For most people I would suggest to lower their dosage but in your case I think pushing heavy on your off season with your genetics will take you to the next level. Since you are trying to do well in the national level it’s time to take the next step.

Your english is just fine!
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Thanks a lot shadow! will try to increase my dose a little (I’ve been to scared for side effect, but I’m up to now), but for GH, it is very hard to find pharma here, I’ve seen lot of underground, but noboby have the result GH should give! I’m working hard on my legs, but it still a weakness compared to my upper…will ever give up haha!

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[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. I know earlier you mentioned that you prefer carbs in over fats, but you also mentioned that on off days carb intake should be reduced by a fair amount. So my question is, during the off-season on off days I’ll be reducing my carb intake. Though by doing so I’ll have a hard time consuming as much as calories as I should.

So, how do I obtain the remaining calories on off days to reach my total caloric intake? Should the extra calories come from fats or more carbs? Would this also apply during a cut as well? Assuming I am 200-300 calories short and have consumed my carbs/proteins per day, it fine to consume fats to reach my total calories per day?

  1. During this off-season I plan on using Test E and Tren E to bulk. This is my favourite stack. Do you think I am better off using 500mg Tren E/Week + 1500mg Test E/week or do you think it’s wiser to keep Tren E at 500mg/Week, drop Test E to 1000mg/Week and add EQ to the stack? I’ve used EQ in the past at 600mg/week, but it doesn’t seem to do too much aside from increase vascularity and appetite. Would would you say the sweetspot is for EQ to get its full benefits? Also would you say 500mg Tren E/Week during the off-season is a sufficient dose?

3.For someone that weights 240-245lbs in the off-season at 6’0 what dose of humalog would you suggest pre-work out? I’ve used 7-15IU in the past. I’ve heard of guys going up to 20IU and I’ve heard of guys saying anything over 10IU will add too much fat. In your opinion, is the dose of Humalog used dependent on the user’s muscle mass/weight? Or could say a 240lbs athlete use as much as a 200lbs athlete and still have the same benefits?

In general, what would you say is the sweetspot in order to receive significant benefits, without adding too much fat. I am personally thinking of sticking at 10IU pre-work out and maybe going up to 12IU if I go past 250? Still not sure if I should increase the dose as I get heavier or not.

On a side, I know that it’s not wise to consume fats for 4 hours after Humalog is administrated in order to avoid fat gains. Do you think fats should be avoided 30 minutes-60 minutes before Humalog is taken as well? I am just thinking that if a person has ingested fats shortly before Humalog is administrated, then those fats could lead to fat gains as well. What’s your take on this?[/quote]

  1. In your off days, you don’t necessarily need to replace those calories especially while cutting. The lower calorie days (because of the drop in carbs) will help you get leaner and remember when you aren’t training you don’t exert as much energy so you don’t need to eat as much, this is why your calorie needs on off days are different.

As for your off season, I would probably only cut the intraworkout carbs,so just don’t drink your Plazma on off days and just exchange the protein from the Plazma to another protein source and maybe add 20g more of fat on these days. Only add the fats if you are in a gaining phase. If you are using a high carb approach while dieting your fats shouldn’t be more 50g a day (100g in off season)

  1. You’re doing pretty high dosages so I hope you’re an experience user. I think going to 1500mg of test is too high for most people, I would keep it at 1g and bump up the tren to 600-800 (if you’re experience) and eq 800-1000. The thing with eq is that for most experienced users you’ll only see results in very high dosages, I went up to 1200mg/week and some people are doing 1500 and getting great size gains. Again, these dosages are for very experienced and high level users. Not dosages for intermediate training.

  2. insulin dosages depends on your insulin sensitivity, it has little to do with how much you weigh but a lot to do with how your body is handling carbs, I know 200kb bodybuilders who use over 20iu of insulin preworkout and stay lean and 260lb bodybuilders who use 10iu and they gain fat because it’s too much for them.

You can keep increasing the dose as long as you’re not gaining fat. The only way to know is to experiment, so start low and go up from there. If your body handles carbs well you won’t gain fat but if you’re insulin resistant then you will.

  1. I would definitely avoid fat 30 min prior to insulin as well, just to be on the safe side.

If you can post a picture I will give you a better idea about insulin use specific to you. Usually the leaner you are, the more carbs you can eat and the more insulin you can use.[/quote]

Sure. I attached two pics from my last off-season. There are at 235lbs at 6’0. I used slin 4 weeks on-4weeks off at 15IU pre-work out. I looked bigger and fuller day by day up until mid-end of week 2. After that I started looking puffy and too watery. I definitely added some fat. My dose of GH was only 4IU/Day though. In general my metabolism is decent. If I eat well, I get lean fast, if I eat shity I’ll get fat. So I guess I am right in the middle. I am very prone to holding a shit ton of water from high sodium and high carb intake though. What dose of Slin do you think I should use? With 15IU pre-work out I was able to get away with drinking 50g of carbs 15 mins before I took my shake, and another 50g during my work out without going hypo. Though like I said I added more fat than desired at 15IU.

As for my cycle, you think the following should be g2g?
Test E 1g/week
EQ 900mg/week
Tren E 600mg/week [/quote]

If that’s the case, keep the insulin no more than 10iu preworkout and drink the 100g of carbs while you train from PLAZMA. As long as you’re drinking the carbs while you train and not before and after, your body will absorb them and use them while you’re training. The trick is to finish your carbs just before your workout ends, it will prevent any fat gains.

Cycle looks good to me… Don’t forget HCG 250iu every 3rd day and 20mg nolva during cycle. It won’t hurt your gains and will help with water retention and gyno.

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[quote]nykau wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]nykau wrote:
Yo Shadow (awesome thread by the way)
In my case, I started bodybuilding competition when I was 20 (start lifting at 15) and now I plan my next off season preparation (I’ll compete in april 2015)
Right now I’m 27 years old, 220 pound, 5’11 (around 6-8 bf), and I compete in light heavyweight (goal: national in 2016).

I changed my macro recently (higher carbs/lower fat), because I always worked with high fat and low carbs and loved it, but sometimes you need to try something else haha!

For my next cycle: I was thinking about

1-14 weeks: test cyp (900mg/week)
1-8 weeks: tren en (400mg/week)
1-14 weeks: Eq (400mg/week)
1-4 8-12 weeks: humalog (5-10 ui preworkout)

I already tried all those, but never this mix, and felt great with all of them.
I tried Plazma too this year and plan on keeping it during my off season (never mixed it with insulin yet)

Is there something you would see that might look better? (sorry for my english…french canadian here)

Thanks again, that’s a lot of good info in here[/quote]

Great job, you’re looking very good here my friend! Nice tiny waist and I can see in your avatar that your upper body looks great and with some more mass on your legs and hamstrings I think you’ll do great in nationals.

This is a beautiful physique!

Good call on changing your diet to higher carbs and lower fat, your gains should be much greater now. I’m assuming you’re an experience user both by how you look and the cycle you suggested. So in your case I’ll actually offer to increase the dose. Increase the test dose to 1g/week,increase tren up to 600-800mg/week and use it for 10weeks not 8, increase eq in order to get mass benefits 800mg-1000mg/week will help you(don’t worry it’s a relatively gentle drug)

Since you are very lean, you can start your insulin with 10iu and 100g from Plazma and go up from there. Increase it by 2-3iu every 2 weeks and adjust your carbs accordingly. The leaner you are, the more carbs you can handle so take advantage of this. I would add 20mg of nolvadex to the cycle everyday and 250iu HCG every other day. This is one of my favorite stacks, and if you can add GH to this you will have the best gains of your life (even 4iu would do the trick)

For most people I would suggest to lower their dosage but in your case I think pushing heavy on your off season with your genetics will take you to the next level. Since you are trying to do well in the national level it’s time to take the next step.

Your english is just fine!
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Thanks a lot shadow! will try to increase my dose a little (I’ve been to scared for side effect, but I’m up to now), but for GH, it is very hard to find pharma here, I’ve seen lot of underground, but noboby have the result GH should give! I’m working hard on my legs, but it still a weakness compared to my upper…will ever give up haha!
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Keep looking, it’s out there! And don’t use underground, you’re right… It’s crap.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charnybrah wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charnybrah wrote:
Hey!

First of all I’d like to thank you for your time and all the information you gave in this topic. I would also like to apologize in advance for all the grammar and syntax errors in my message, French is my first language.

I’m 24 years old, 5’11 and 180 pounds. I’m not sure about my bf% but I’m most likely around 10%. I’ll attach a picture to this message if you’d like to guess it for me. I’m currently starting the 6th week of this cycle :

  • 1-14 : 250mg test enanthate EW
  • 1-14 : 600mg tren enanthate EW
  • 8-14 : 50mg winstrol ED

I might also add 400mg masteron enanthate for the last 6 weeks. Would it be a good idea or would it be useless?

It’s my first cutting cycle, I’m not competing yet but I wanted to try those compounds to see how my body react to them. I’d like to compete in men physic but I think I’m not big enough for that yet. How big and how conditioned are the men physic competitors?

I’m currently eating approximately 2300 calories per day. I’ve been at 180 pounds for a couple of week but I’ve been dropping a lot of fat. This is my current diet on paper :

Breakfast (209 calories 32c 2f 18p) :

  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt

Meal 1 (388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Meal 2 (321 calories 38c 2f 37p) :

  • 100g cooked chicken breast
  • 1/2cup white rice
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Pre-workout meal (265 calories 47c 6f 8p) :

  • 85g elbow macaroni
  • 1 tsp olive oil
  • 4 olives
  • sliced onions

Intra-workout :

  • BCAA
  • 2-3 rice cakes (Sometime I eat them in the locker room before hitting the iron) : 105 calories 21c 0f 3p

Post-workout (240 calories 30c 2.5f 24p):

  • 60g whey
  • 30g maltodextrin
  • 5g glutamine

Post-workout meal (30-60minutes after workout)(388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Night snack (226 calories 33c 1f 19p) :

  • 1cup raw spinach
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt
  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal

Pre-bed (127 calories 2c 2.5f 24p)

  • 60g whey
  • 5g glutamine
  • 1.25g ashwagandha

For a total of :

  • 2259 calories
  • 268g carbs
  • 23g fats
  • 244g proteins

Am I eating too low fats? Is it normal that I get a lot of “carb rages” during the day? Sometime I feel I can’t function correctly until I eat a bowl of cereal ahah.

I’d like some critics on my physic if possible.

I took this picture last friday.

Thank you in advance!
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Bonjour! Your English is fine my friend!

You’re closer to 7-8% bodyfat (not 10%)

Take into consideration that the leaner you are, the more carbs and calories in general you can eat. The reason you’re experiences these carb rages is because your general macros are just too low. A few things I would change immediately are:
-intraworkout nutrition, you need specific types and amounts of carbs and protein while you train… Best way to get it is from Plazma, nothing else will be close or comparable. Drink 2 servings intraworkout, this will give you better workouts, better recovery and better gains.(an extra 76g of carbs/day and 30g protein)
-increase fats to 50g/day… Consume them before bed and in your second meal
-increase protein to at least 300g/day… Add this from hydrolyzed casein (MAG-10) 1.5 servings post workout and first thing in the morning 30min before breakfast.
-try to get protein @ 50g/meal (approx.)

  • if you want to add masteron for 6 weeks, use masteron-prop not enanthate. That isn’t enough time to get results from a long ester. 100mg eod will do the trick and it’ll get you even harder and leaner than you are already.
  • I think you should increase your test dosage to at least a 1:1 ratio with your tren… So about 600mg/week. This is part of the reason why you feel like crap.

As for competing in men’s physique, you can definitely do this soon but you’ll have to add a little more size… Maybe about 3-4lbs of muscle at most. They are coming in around 5% bodyfat so you’re not that far off. Your weak point is your chest and you can also use a bit more size on your arms and shoulders.

Trust me, the Plazma will do wonders for your physique and your overall feeling. Get on these recommendations ASAP and let me know how you do.

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Thank you for your response! I’ll get on these recommendations as soon as possible and I’ll give you some news about my progress soon.

I also had another question. I’m currently planning my winter blast and I was thinking about something like :

  • 1-14(16?) : 600-800mg test e (T400)
  • 1-14(16?) : 600mg equipoise
  • 1-14(16?) : 300-450mg deca (depending on the test dose)
  • 1-4 : 20-40mg dbol
  • 1-4 : 25mg winstrol

I’ve heard good reviews about combining dbol and winny, would it be a good idea to combine them? I’m also thinking about eq because I’m playing hockey during the winter so it will help with my endurance. Deca is there for mass of course!

I’ll be on 4k calories per day, not quite sure how my macros will look like yet.

My goal with that cycle is to increase my endurance and gain mass. I might just drop the deca and increase the eq to 900-1200mg per week.

Do you have any suggestions? Thank you in advance!
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Can you please post a picture, the cycle you are suggesting for your off season is pretty harsh. Considering your goals I would agree to dropping the deca and increasing your eq…maybe add tren-e to this mix. Dbol and winstrol together are a good combo but they are hard on your liver so I wouldn’t use both together unless strength is your main goal. For mass gains you can do other stuff.

Please post a picture and then I’ll give you a better answer[/quote]

Here’s a picture. Sorry for the filters, I’m at work and the only way I can get pictures is my Instagram. I can upload a better one tonight if you want. I’m 5’10, currently 180 pounds. I love tren, but I can’t really add it to my winter blast since I need my cardio for hockey. I will most likely forget about deca, decrease the test to 600mg and increase the eq a little.

I’ll also forget about winstrol. What oral would you suggest for me?

Thank you in advance!

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I didn’t go through the whole thread, so you may have already answered this but, what is in your opinion the best ASS and combination of AAS for improved onstage look ? I would guess tren, winny and halotestin. Also do you think that running methyltrienolone alongside inj. tren would bring any further improvement in physique?

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For a natural person, what kind of diet would you recommend when on a cutting phase?

What’s your opinion on carb-backloading, carb-nite solution, ketogenic diet?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
Shadow,
Question regarding nutrition and I apologize if you answered it already, I have been following along and don’t recall you having answered.

On your off season how many cheat meals per week do you have, both when on gear and off? I’m assuming of course less cheat meals during the 3 months you take off. I also fully realize you can get away with more or larger cheats as you have a lot more muscle than someone like myself.

I know you aren’t a fan of IIFYM and I’m not either but do you know of any pro’s who use this method? I have never heard of a pro doing this but was curious if maybe some did in the off season.

Awesome thread, thank you for joining the site![/quote]

In my off season I do 2 cheat meals a week, usually Wednesday and Saturday. Honestly, I’m forcing myself to have them because I’m eating so much as is. When I’m dieting I have 1 cheat meal a week on my off day, usually the day before leg day and I do it religiously until 2 weeks out.

You are correct, the more muscle you have and the leaner you are then the more food you can handle and you can usually get away with more cheat.

I’ll say it very clear… THERE IS NOT ONE MALE PRO BODYBUILDER THAT USES IIFYM, it might work for a regular fat person that is just trying to lose a bit of weight. Any professional athlete trying to use this will not be able to progress to the required level, it would be a miserable fail. The quality of your food is just as important as the quantity. You can’t compare pizza to steak and potato! Look at the people who promote this diet, show me a high level athlete that it works for…
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Awesome, thank you for your reply!!

I’m 100% on board with your thoughts on IIFYM and I personally do not follow it. It just seems like Dr Norton tries to ram it down peoples’ throats but I know one of his IFBB clients personally and know they didn’t follow it for their prep

My coach has me sticking to good “clean” sources even during the off season and honestly I feel better and perform better when I eat that way.

Thank you again for your reply and love all the information you are giving all of us!!

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[quote]bobbodybuilder wrote:
I didn’t go through the whole thread, so you may have already answered this but, what is in your opinion the best ASS and combination of AAS for improved onstage look ? I would guess tren, winny and halotestin. Also do you think that running methyltrienolone alongside inj. tren would bring any further improvement in physique?[/quote]

do you not think that neglecting to read the thread and asking a question he’s already answered is kind of a fuck you to the big guy?

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]bobbodybuilder wrote:
I didn’t go through the whole thread, so you may have already answered this but, what is in your opinion the best ASS and combination of AAS for improved onstage look ? I would guess tren, winny and halotestin. Also do you think that running methyltrienolone alongside inj. tren would bring any further improvement in physique?[/quote]

do you not think that neglecting to read the thread and asking a question he’s already answered is kind of a fuck you to the big guy?[/quote]

If it was already answered he can just ignore it, surely.

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[quote]bobbodybuilder wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]bobbodybuilder wrote:
I didn’t go through the whole thread, so you may have already answered this but, what is in your opinion the best ASS and combination of AAS for improved onstage look ? I would guess tren, winny and halotestin. Also do you think that running methyltrienolone alongside inj. tren would bring any further improvement in physique?[/quote]

do you not think that neglecting to read the thread and asking a question he’s already answered is kind of a fuck you to the big guy?[/quote]

If it was already answered he can just ignore it, surely.
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I guess. Still think it was rude of you to ask before you’d read the thread, but whatevs.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. I know earlier you mentioned that you prefer carbs in over fats, but you also mentioned that on off days carb intake should be reduced by a fair amount. So my question is, during the off-season on off days I’ll be reducing my carb intake. Though by doing so I’ll have a hard time consuming as much as calories as I should.

So, how do I obtain the remaining calories on off days to reach my total caloric intake? Should the extra calories come from fats or more carbs? Would this also apply during a cut as well? Assuming I am 200-300 calories short and have consumed my carbs/proteins per day, it fine to consume fats to reach my total calories per day?

  1. During this off-season I plan on using Test E and Tren E to bulk. This is my favourite stack. Do you think I am better off using 500mg Tren E/Week + 1500mg Test E/week or do you think it’s wiser to keep Tren E at 500mg/Week, drop Test E to 1000mg/Week and add EQ to the stack? I’ve used EQ in the past at 600mg/week, but it doesn’t seem to do too much aside from increase vascularity and appetite. Would would you say the sweetspot is for EQ to get its full benefits? Also would you say 500mg Tren E/Week during the off-season is a sufficient dose?

3.For someone that weights 240-245lbs in the off-season at 6’0 what dose of humalog would you suggest pre-work out? I’ve used 7-15IU in the past. I’ve heard of guys going up to 20IU and I’ve heard of guys saying anything over 10IU will add too much fat. In your opinion, is the dose of Humalog used dependent on the user’s muscle mass/weight? Or could say a 240lbs athlete use as much as a 200lbs athlete and still have the same benefits?

In general, what would you say is the sweetspot in order to receive significant benefits, without adding too much fat. I am personally thinking of sticking at 10IU pre-work out and maybe going up to 12IU if I go past 250? Still not sure if I should increase the dose as I get heavier or not.

On a side, I know that it’s not wise to consume fats for 4 hours after Humalog is administrated in order to avoid fat gains. Do you think fats should be avoided 30 minutes-60 minutes before Humalog is taken as well? I am just thinking that if a person has ingested fats shortly before Humalog is administrated, then those fats could lead to fat gains as well. What’s your take on this?[/quote]

  1. In your off days, you don’t necessarily need to replace those calories especially while cutting. The lower calorie days (because of the drop in carbs) will help you get leaner and remember when you aren’t training you don’t exert as much energy so you don’t need to eat as much, this is why your calorie needs on off days are different.

As for your off season, I would probably only cut the intraworkout carbs,so just don’t drink your Plazma on off days and just exchange the protein from the Plazma to another protein source and maybe add 20g more of fat on these days. Only add the fats if you are in a gaining phase. If you are using a high carb approach while dieting your fats shouldn’t be more 50g a day (100g in off season)

  1. You’re doing pretty high dosages so I hope you’re an experience user. I think going to 1500mg of test is too high for most people, I would keep it at 1g and bump up the tren to 600-800 (if you’re experience) and eq 800-1000. The thing with eq is that for most experienced users you’ll only see results in very high dosages, I went up to 1200mg/week and some people are doing 1500 and getting great size gains. Again, these dosages are for very experienced and high level users. Not dosages for intermediate training.

  2. insulin dosages depends on your insulin sensitivity, it has little to do with how much you weigh but a lot to do with how your body is handling carbs, I know 200kb bodybuilders who use over 20iu of insulin preworkout and stay lean and 260lb bodybuilders who use 10iu and they gain fat because it’s too much for them.

You can keep increasing the dose as long as you’re not gaining fat. The only way to know is to experiment, so start low and go up from there. If your body handles carbs well you won’t gain fat but if you’re insulin resistant then you will.

  1. I would definitely avoid fat 30 min prior to insulin as well, just to be on the safe side.

If you can post a picture I will give you a better idea about insulin use specific to you. Usually the leaner you are, the more carbs you can eat and the more insulin you can use.[/quote]

Sure. I attached two pics from my last off-season. There are at 235lbs at 6’0. I used slin 4 weeks on-4weeks off at 15IU pre-work out. I looked bigger and fuller day by day up until mid-end of week 2. After that I started looking puffy and too watery. I definitely added some fat. My dose of GH was only 4IU/Day though. In general my metabolism is decent. If I eat well, I get lean fast, if I eat shity I’ll get fat. So I guess I am right in the middle. I am very prone to holding a shit ton of water from high sodium and high carb intake though. What dose of Slin do you think I should use? With 15IU pre-work out I was able to get away with drinking 50g of carbs 15 mins before I took my shake, and another 50g during my work out without going hypo. Though like I said I added more fat than desired at 15IU.

As for my cycle, you think the following should be g2g?
Test E 1g/week
EQ 900mg/week
Tren E 600mg/week [/quote]

If that’s the case, keep the insulin no more than 10iu preworkout and drink the 100g of carbs while you train from PLAZMA. As long as you’re drinking the carbs while you train and not before and after, your body will absorb them and use them while you’re training. The trick is to finish your carbs just before your workout ends, it will prevent any fat gains.

Cycle looks good to me… Don’t forget HCG 250iu every 3rd day and 20mg nolva during cycle. It won’t hurt your gains and will help with water retention and gyno.
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Okay, so let me just get something straight, because now I think I was following the wrong protocol. When I used Humalog in the past I would consume a shake 15 mins before work out with my humalog shot, a shake intra work out and a shake post work out.

You’re saying I should pin humalog 15 minutes pre-work out and don’t drink a shake? So I start drinking my shake intra-work out and nothing pre. Will this not cause me to go Hypo though?

Also as for post work out what do you recommend? Should I consume a shake? whole meal? or nothing?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
SHadow, i doubt this has been asked before but could you debunk some HCG myths?

(common beleaves, not neccesarily my opinion)

  1. Can your testes become unresponsive to LH if hcg is used for longer than 2 weeks (i heard doctors claiming this)
  2. You cannot use hcg in pct (oblivios awnser but some people cant get it into their thick skulls)
  3. How do pros (or at least, you?) really use hcg while been on ped’s 3/4 or year-round?[/quote]

1.this has never been proven, and I won’t believe it until I see a study. I have used it for longer than 2 weeks and NEVER had any issues.
2. Yes you can, most of the time it’s recommended. Even if you use it during the cycle you’ll want to continue after in order to help you recover.
3. 3/4 of the year. I usually cut it off about 6 weeks before a show to avoid any sort of water retention. Off season I’m always on it and in the first weeks of my diet
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So pretty much you use hcg almost continuously for 3/4 of the year and are able to come completely off in your detox period? You mentioned you come completely off gear 2-3 months of the year with an aggressive pct, during this phase you are completely relying on your natural hormone production?

i might not remember correctly cause its about 20 pages ago in this thread and can’t find it, also if i do remember right you also mentioned you feel fine till about month 2 in terms of not suffering big mass losses (so if something were to happen to make you decide to quit bodybuilding, would you think you could live on your own body or hrt?)

Obliviously the average juicer doesn’t stay on gear that long, so you think one could safely use hcg throughout a cycle without needing to worry about recovering?

you said you recommend using hcg up into pct, any specific reason for this? during pct one would want their natural LH to stimulate the testes, i don’t know if hcg causes shutdown by itself but wouldn’t it interfere with the pct?

On a side note: steroid forums are great, i can just ask about another’s mans balls and it’s not weird …