Q&A with Shadow Pro

Hi Shadow,
Have you ever experienced adrenal fatigue after a cycle and if so, What is a good therapy to help with recovery of adrenals?
Thanks…

Since “anything goes” here’s one I’ve been wondering. What’s a typical stack for a high level female figure competitor? Thanks in advance.

Dear Shadow Pro,

Thnx for this amazing thread.
I myself would also like some advice about a cycle im about to run within a couple of weeks.
Ive been lifting for 5 years now started at 60 kg 10% fat percentage at 170cm being a yogger and now lifting weights being 77kg at 10% fat at 170cm heigt.
since this year i did an oral only cycle with Annavar, gained some strenght within a 6 week cycle at 30 mg a day.

i made this choice to start at a light dosage to keep minimal suppression regarding my own T production.
now i want to up my cycle a bit and start injecting T.
this is what it should look like:
week 1-6 test e 250 mg e/w
week 1-6 anavar 20 mg e/d
week 8-10 nolvadex 20 mg e/d

what do u think about this for starters?
im not looking to gain an instant 10kgs of mass i just want to start experimenting with test injections and make some profitable gains without supressing t production to much.
and do u have any tips for injecting safelly?
thanks in advance!

Sorry for the poor memory but did you mention that most pros put the majority of their gear in their lats?

Whether or not you said that, do you? Can you pin them yourself or do you have someone else do it? I’ve definitely heard of some pros putting quite large volumous amount of their gear in their lats…

Hi

Firstly thanks for all the info and help !! !!

Id like you take on a cycle I am planning on taking .
I have been bodybuilding for quite a few years and just started doing crossfit to
I have done one cycle a long time ago
My goal is to get more lean and stronger

My stats
Male
Age 27
Weight 85kg
Body fat 12%

My training looks like this :
3x a week crossfit in the morning
5x a week weight training in the afternoon

Thinking of take this cycle :

10 weeks or 12 weeks
250mg Test Enth a week
300mg Primobolan a week (or Mastron depending on what you recommend)
50mg Anavar a day
And for PCT Nolvadex

Id appreciate your take on this

Thanks

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]charnybrah wrote:
Hey!

First of all I’d like to thank you for your time and all the information you gave in this topic. I would also like to apologize in advance for all the grammar and syntax errors in my message, French is my first language.

I’m 24 years old, 5’11 and 180 pounds. I’m not sure about my bf% but I’m most likely around 10%. I’ll attach a picture to this message if you’d like to guess it for me. I’m currently starting the 6th week of this cycle :

  • 1-14 : 250mg test enanthate EW
  • 1-14 : 600mg tren enanthate EW
  • 8-14 : 50mg winstrol ED

I might also add 400mg masteron enanthate for the last 6 weeks. Would it be a good idea or would it be useless?

It’s my first cutting cycle, I’m not competing yet but I wanted to try those compounds to see how my body react to them. I’d like to compete in men physic but I think I’m not big enough for that yet. How big and how conditioned are the men physic competitors?

I’m currently eating approximately 2300 calories per day. I’ve been at 180 pounds for a couple of week but I’ve been dropping a lot of fat. This is my current diet on paper :

Breakfast (209 calories 32c 2f 18p) :

  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt

Meal 1 (388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Meal 2 (321 calories 38c 2f 37p) :

  • 100g cooked chicken breast
  • 1/2cup white rice
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Pre-workout meal (265 calories 47c 6f 8p) :

  • 85g elbow macaroni
  • 1 tsp olive oil
  • 4 olives
  • sliced onions

Intra-workout :

  • BCAA
  • 2-3 rice cakes (Sometime I eat them in the locker room before hitting the iron) : 105 calories 21c 0f 3p

Post-workout (240 calories 30c 2.5f 24p):

  • 60g whey
  • 30g maltodextrin
  • 5g glutamine

Post-workout meal (30-60minutes after workout)(388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Night snack (226 calories 33c 1f 19p) :

  • 1cup raw spinach
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt
  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal

Pre-bed (127 calories 2c 2.5f 24p)

  • 60g whey
  • 5g glutamine
  • 1.25g ashwagandha

For a total of :

  • 2259 calories
  • 268g carbs
  • 23g fats
  • 244g proteins

Am I eating too low fats? Is it normal that I get a lot of “carb rages” during the day? Sometime I feel I can’t function correctly until I eat a bowl of cereal ahah.

I’d like some critics on my physic if possible.

I took this picture last friday.

Thank you in advance!
[/quote]

Bonjour! Your English is fine my friend!

You’re closer to 7-8% bodyfat (not 10%)

Take into consideration that the leaner you are, the more carbs and calories in general you can eat. The reason you’re experiences these carb rages is because your general macros are just too low. A few things I would change immediately are:
-intraworkout nutrition, you need specific types and amounts of carbs and protein while you train… Best way to get it is from Plazma, nothing else will be close or comparable. Drink 2 servings intraworkout, this will give you better workouts, better recovery and better gains.(an extra 76g of carbs/day and 30g protein)
-increase fats to 50g/day… Consume them before bed and in your second meal
-increase protein to at least 300g/day… Add this from hydrolyzed casein (MAG-10) 1.5 servings post workout and first thing in the morning 30min before breakfast.
-try to get protein @ 50g/meal (approx.)

  • if you want to add masteron for 6 weeks, use masteron-prop not enanthate. That isn’t enough time to get results from a long ester. 100mg eod will do the trick and it’ll get you even harder and leaner than you are already.
  • I think you should increase your test dosage to at least a 1:1 ratio with your tren… So about 600mg/week. This is part of the reason why you feel like crap.

As for competing in men’s physique, you can definitely do this soon but you’ll have to add a little more size… Maybe about 3-4lbs of muscle at most. They are coming in around 5% bodyfat so you’re not that far off. Your weak point is your chest and you can also use a bit more size on your arms and shoulders.

Trust me, the Plazma will do wonders for your physique and your overall feeling. Get on these recommendations ASAP and let me know how you do.

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Thank you for your response! I’ll get on these recommendations as soon as possible and I’ll give you some news about my progress soon.

I also had another question. I’m currently planning my winter blast and I was thinking about something like :

  • 1-14(16?) : 600-800mg test e (T400)
  • 1-14(16?) : 600mg equipoise
  • 1-14(16?) : 300-450mg deca (depending on the test dose)
  • 1-4 : 20-40mg dbol
  • 1-4 : 25mg winstrol

I’ve heard good reviews about combining dbol and winny, would it be a good idea to combine them? I’m also thinking about eq because I’m playing hockey during the winter so it will help with my endurance. Deca is there for mass of course!

I’ll be on 4k calories per day, not quite sure how my macros will look like yet.

My goal with that cycle is to increase my endurance and gain mass. I might just drop the deca and increase the eq to 900-1200mg per week.

Do you have any suggestions? Thank you in advance!

Shadow,
Question regarding nutrition and I apologize if you answered it already, I have been following along and don’t recall you having answered.

On your off season how many cheat meals per week do you have, both when on gear and off? I’m assuming of course less cheat meals during the 3 months you take off. I also fully realize you can get away with more or larger cheats as you have a lot more muscle than someone like myself.

I know you aren’t a fan of IIFYM and I’m not either but do you know of any pro’s who use this method? I have never heard of a pro doing this but was curious if maybe some did in the off season.

Awesome thread, thank you for joining the site!


Yo Shadow (awesome thread by the way)
In my case, I started bodybuilding competition when I was 20 (start lifting at 15) and now I plan my next off season preparation (I’ll compete in april 2015)
Right now I’m 27 years old, 220 pound, 5’11 (around 6-8 bf), and I compete in light heavyweight (goal: national in 2016).

I changed my macro recently (higher carbs/lower fat), because I always worked with high fat and low carbs and loved it, but sometimes you need to try something else haha!

For my next cycle: I was thinking about

1-14 weeks: test cyp (900mg/week)
1-8 weeks: tren en (400mg/week)
1-14 weeks: Eq (400mg/week)
1-4 8-12 weeks: humalog (5-10 ui preworkout)

I already tried all those, but never this mix, and felt great with all of them.
I tried Plazma too this year and plan on keeping it during my off season (never mixed it with insulin yet)

Is there something you would see that might look better? (sorry for my english…french canadian here)

Thanks again, that’s a lot of good info in here

[quote]Tweeder wrote:
Sorry for the poor memory but did you mention that most pros put the majority of their gear in their lats?

Whether or not you said that, do you? Can you pin them yourself or do you have someone else do it? I’ve definitely heard of some pros putting quite large volumous amount of their gear in their lats…[/quote]

I have pinned myself in the lats (just need to be flexible enough haha)…and I did work great for me!

[quote]nykau wrote:
Yo Shadow (awesome thread by the way)
In my case, I started bodybuilding competition when I was 20 (start lifting at 15) and now I plan my next off season preparation (I’ll compete in april 2015)
Right now I’m 27 years old, 220 pound, 5’11 (around 6-8 bf), and I compete in light heavyweight (goal: national in 2016).

I changed my macro recently (higher carbs/lower fat), because I always worked with high fat and low carbs and loved it, but sometimes you need to try something else haha!

For my next cycle: I was thinking about

1-14 weeks: test cyp (900mg/week)
1-8 weeks: tren en (400mg/week)
1-14 weeks: Eq (400mg/week)
1-4 8-12 weeks: humalog (5-10 ui preworkout)

I already tried all those, but never this mix, and felt great with all of them.
I tried Plazma too this year and plan on keeping it during my off season (never mixed it with insulin yet)

Is there something you would see that might look better? (sorry for my english…french canadian here)

Thanks again, that’s a lot of good info in here[/quote]

HOLY SHIT

One hell of a physique you’ve got there brother! Would love to see you more active in other parts of the forum.

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]nykau wrote:
Yo Shadow (awesome thread by the way)
In my case, I started bodybuilding competition when I was 20 (start lifting at 15) and now I plan my next off season preparation (I’ll compete in april 2015)
Right now I’m 27 years old, 220 pound, 5’11 (around 6-8 bf), and I compete in light heavyweight (goal: national in 2016).

I changed my macro recently (higher carbs/lower fat), because I always worked with high fat and low carbs and loved it, but sometimes you need to try something else haha!

For my next cycle: I was thinking about

1-14 weeks: test cyp (900mg/week)
1-8 weeks: tren en (400mg/week)
1-14 weeks: Eq (400mg/week)
1-4 8-12 weeks: humalog (5-10 ui preworkout)

I already tried all those, but never this mix, and felt great with all of them.
I tried Plazma too this year and plan on keeping it during my off season (never mixed it with insulin yet)

Is there something you would see that might look better? (sorry for my english…french canadian here)

Thanks again, that’s a lot of good info in here[/quote]

HOLY SHIT

One hell of a physique you’ve got there brother! Would love to see you more active in other parts of the forum.
[/quote]
Thanks man, really appreciate :slight_smile:
I will try to be more active, it’s juste a bit difficult cause i’m not very good with my writing in english haha!

Whats the amounts for a first try with Tren Ace and Test Prop? Used to doing 500mg Test prop cycles.

[quote]Sincl@r wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Sincl@r wrote:
Hi Shadow, currently dieting on 250 test e, 400 primo and 300 tren a, no gh or insulin.
In your experience, what works best with tren in a diet to get ripped and get/stay full, perhaps even gain a couple of pounds:
�?�° high protein - high carb - verly low fat (< 40)
�?�° high protein - medium carb - medium fat

I’m 250-300kcals under maintenance, also carb cycling like you suggested earlier, 200 carbs on workout days, 100 on resting days.

I know everyone is different, but I’ve read that tren loves carbs, even when dieting. Could you maybe enlighten us a bit on this matter.

All my respect to you and good luck with your diet, hope you get spot on at the Olympia![/quote]

Absolutely, 100% option #1 High protein, high carb, low fat

Since you are only doing 200g of carbs on your workout days, make sure that at least 100g of them come from Plazma intraworkout. This combined with the tren will give you insane strength and pump. One of the reasons that carbs are so great with tren is because you are getting very strong and aggressive in the gym while you’re on it so you can train longer and harder allowing your body to utilize more carbs and this where the Plazma comes into place.

If you don’t give your body the “fuel” for the tren to utilize to increase the strength and aggressiveness in the gym it will be less beneficial and your overall results won’t be as prominent… With the introduction of Plazma you will ensure that your body is getting it’s nutritional needs for training. On tren your body is like a Ferrari so you want to give it the best fuel possible!

[/quote]

Thank you for your reply.

My diet is clean, maybe too clean on tren.
I eat all my carbs around my workout, as suggested.
In the morning I have bambix (sort of cream of rice) with eggwhites, blueberries, whey and peanutbutter.
Preworkout
Intraworkout (no Plazma yet, Gaspari’s Glycofuse with Peptopro…)
Post white rice, chicken and spinach.
3 x tilapia with broccoli or spinach and almonds.
Pre bed eggwhites, some greek yoghurt and half tbs peanutbutter.

Out of my head, 2300kcal - 260 P - 200 C - 45 F
Resting days, 2000kcal - 245 P - 100 C - 55 F

Underneath an example of someone with a different kind of dieting approach on tren:

Id start my day with 250g egg whites + 1 yolk, 20g organic set honey, 100g blueberries and 100g honey cornflakes (sugars) with 300g lactose free milk.

25g Protein (chicken or fish), 100g pineapple, 100g banana, 300g sweet potato

25g Protein (chicken or fish), 100g pineapple, 100g banana, 300g sweet potato

25g Protein (chicken or fish), caramel rice cakes (40g carbs), 40g raisins

60g intrawork out drink, usually some sort of fruit juice mixed with a little cold water

Post workout a mix of protein, varies, usually steak and fish or something, then something sugary like sugary cereal, cheesecake, pop tarts etc along with something lower GI like rice a little while after

Before bed a small amount of protein, little fat (5g or so) and something like jam on toast (as odd as this might sound).

Wake up leaner and fuller. If i swapped all the sugars for low GI carbs i won’t be as full and i don’t lean out as fast. It’s very odd but it seems thats how tren works (with me atleast). This would be 600-650g of carbs, sometimes more.

Can you give your opinion please, should I try and experiment like this or wouldn’t it be something you recommend?[/quote]

First of all. Get rid of the glycofuse and peptopro, it’s just not the same.

Drop the Greek yogurt and since you’re dieting I don’t want any dairy products so change it to another solid protein source.

DO NOT try an approach like this, because you are taking tren it doesn’t mean that all of your carbs can come from sugar it will make you fat. In order for me to tell you if your macros are good could you please post a photo so I can give you better details about diet advice.

Instead of just tilapia, you can also use cod and sole as well so you have variety. You might be able to get away with higher carbs on your current diet but I need to see a picture for this.

DO NOT TRY THE OTHER APPROACH YOU MENTIONED, WAY TOO MANY SIMPLE CARBS AND NOT ENOUGH PROTEIN!! This is wrong and even with insulin use I wouldn’t recommend this.

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. I know earlier you mentioned that you prefer carbs in over fats, but you also mentioned that on off days carb intake should be reduced by a fair amount. So my question is, during the off-season on off days I’ll be reducing my carb intake. Though by doing so I’ll have a hard time consuming as much as calories as I should.

So, how do I obtain the remaining calories on off days to reach my total caloric intake? Should the extra calories come from fats or more carbs? Would this also apply during a cut as well? Assuming I am 200-300 calories short and have consumed my carbs/proteins per day, it fine to consume fats to reach my total calories per day?

  1. During this off-season I plan on using Test E and Tren E to bulk. This is my favourite stack. Do you think I am better off using 500mg Tren E/Week + 1500mg Test E/week or do you think it’s wiser to keep Tren E at 500mg/Week, drop Test E to 1000mg/Week and add EQ to the stack? I’ve used EQ in the past at 600mg/week, but it doesn’t seem to do too much aside from increase vascularity and appetite. Would would you say the sweetspot is for EQ to get its full benefits? Also would you say 500mg Tren E/Week during the off-season is a sufficient dose?

3.For someone that weights 240-245lbs in the off-season at 6’0 what dose of humalog would you suggest pre-work out? I’ve used 7-15IU in the past. I’ve heard of guys going up to 20IU and I’ve heard of guys saying anything over 10IU will add too much fat. In your opinion, is the dose of Humalog used dependent on the user’s muscle mass/weight? Or could say a 240lbs athlete use as much as a 200lbs athlete and still have the same benefits?

In general, what would you say is the sweetspot in order to receive significant benefits, without adding too much fat. I am personally thinking of sticking at 10IU pre-work out and maybe going up to 12IU if I go past 250? Still not sure if I should increase the dose as I get heavier or not.

On a side, I know that it’s not wise to consume fats for 4 hours after Humalog is administrated in order to avoid fat gains. Do you think fats should be avoided 30 minutes-60 minutes before Humalog is taken as well? I am just thinking that if a person has ingested fats shortly before Humalog is administrated, then those fats could lead to fat gains as well. What’s your take on this?[/quote]

  1. In your off days, you don’t necessarily need to replace those calories especially while cutting. The lower calorie days (because of the drop in carbs) will help you get leaner and remember when you aren’t training you don’t exert as much energy so you don’t need to eat as much, this is why your calorie needs on off days are different.

As for your off season, I would probably only cut the intraworkout carbs,so just don’t drink your Plazma on off days and just exchange the protein from the Plazma to another protein source and maybe add 20g more of fat on these days. Only add the fats if you are in a gaining phase. If you are using a high carb approach while dieting your fats shouldn’t be more 50g a day (100g in off season)

  1. You’re doing pretty high dosages so I hope you’re an experience user. I think going to 1500mg of test is too high for most people, I would keep it at 1g and bump up the tren to 600-800 (if you’re experience) and eq 800-1000. The thing with eq is that for most experienced users you’ll only see results in very high dosages, I went up to 1200mg/week and some people are doing 1500 and getting great size gains. Again, these dosages are for very experienced and high level users. Not dosages for intermediate training.

  2. insulin dosages depends on your insulin sensitivity, it has little to do with how much you weigh but a lot to do with how your body is handling carbs, I know 200kb bodybuilders who use over 20iu of insulin preworkout and stay lean and 260lb bodybuilders who use 10iu and they gain fat because it’s too much for them.

You can keep increasing the dose as long as you’re not gaining fat. The only way to know is to experiment, so start low and go up from there. If your body handles carbs well you won’t gain fat but if you’re insulin resistant then you will.

  1. I would definitely avoid fat 30 min prior to insulin as well, just to be on the safe side.

If you can post a picture I will give you a better idea about insulin use specific to you. Usually the leaner you are, the more carbs you can eat and the more insulin you can use.

[quote]ktaylor966 wrote:
Sir, will you please outline your final week of contest prep? Do you deplete and Carb-load? You mentioned sodium manipulation as well as diuretics are tricky, but please outline how much water you drinking leading up to contest day.

I am 2 weeks out from a men’s physique show. Doing my previous venture I took bad advice and drank distilled water for the final week, starting at 3 gallons per day and finally on day prior to event I drank one gallon of mineral water. I snagged second pace BUT I came in a little flat and I felt AWFUL for the final few days. The day after the show I pigged out, gained ten lbs overnights and suffered from severe edema in my legs, feet and ankles for over a week.

Thanks in advance for your cutting edge info as the advice I receive was “so eighties!”[/quote]

If you want me to give you any kind of useful advice you will HAVE to post a current picture, and even then I haven’t worked with you and don’t know your body so it will be very general advice. A peak week is completely individual and I could give you a thousand different examples that would work for 1000different people, there is no formula.

Post your current diet, supplements, drug protocol, sodium use… Basically every info you can. 2 weeks out from a show everything matters.

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:
Hi Shadow,
Have you ever experienced adrenal fatigue after a cycle and if so, What is a good therapy to help with recovery of adrenals?
Thanks…
[/quote]

Yes, I’ve experienced this… Here are a few things you can do to avoid this and help fix it.

  • there are a lot of natural supplements you can purchase to help adrenal function and recovery on and off cycle.
    -be smart with your stimulant use, try not to use them every single workout. Pay attention to how much you are using and don’t overdo It. Overuse of stimulants is the fastest way to burn out your adrenal glands.
    -fish oil, a lot of people claim better recovery when taking high amounts of fish oils daily.
    -make sure you get lots of sleep, 8 hours at night and naps when you can.
    -general lower stress levels

[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Since “anything goes” here’s one I’ve been wondering. What’s a typical stack for a high level female figure competitor? Thanks in advance. [/quote]

Very individual like everything else. Depending on the female, some are reacting better than others. I can’t give you a general stack but I can give you a list of substances they may use and an estimate of how much.
What they use and when would depends if they are in off season or cutting.

By far the most popular would be anavar, anywhere from 5mg-50mg
Next popular would be fat burners including t3 12.5mcg and some crazy ass girls have went up to 200mcg/day because of bad coaching or dieting issues. Or Clen.
Some of them use masteron and primobolan between 50-200mg/week
Some use winstrol 10-20mg/day
GH 2-3iu/day
Another popular thing are antiestrogens (use and abuse) arimidex and Proviron

This is very general, it depends on the girl for when and what they are using.

[quote]maikeltjeh89 wrote:
Dear Shadow Pro,

Thnx for this amazing thread.
I myself would also like some advice about a cycle im about to run within a couple of weeks.
Ive been lifting for 5 years now started at 60 kg 10% fat percentage at 170cm being a yogger and now lifting weights being 77kg at 10% fat at 170cm heigt.
since this year i did an oral only cycle with Annavar, gained some strenght within a 6 week cycle at 30 mg a day.

i made this choice to start at a light dosage to keep minimal suppression regarding my own T production.
now i want to up my cycle a bit and start injecting T.
this is what it should look like:
week 1-6 test e 250 mg e/w
week 1-6 anavar 20 mg e/d
week 8-10 nolvadex 20 mg e/d

what do u think about this for starters?
im not looking to gain an instant 10kgs of mass i just want to start experimenting with test injections and make some profitable gains without supressing t production to much.
and do u have any tips for injecting safelly?
thanks in advance!
[/quote]

Your cycle looks good, here’s what I would change (good job on taking it nice and slow!)

Use nolvadex from week 3 until the end, increase anavar to 30-40mg and do HCG at 250iu every 3rd day.

For safe injections make sure you never use the same needle more than once (believe it or not, people do that) use a different needle to load the syringe than the one you inject with. Clean the tops of your bottles with alcohol each time and clean your skin in the area of injection. Pull back on the plunger before you inject to make sure your not injecting into the bloodstream and apply pressure with a cotton ball or pad after injection. You can inject in a lot of different areas so look up injection sites and you will see all of the safe areas on the body and then take your pick and rotate regularly.

[quote]Tweeder wrote:
Sorry for the poor memory but did you mention that most pros put the majority of their gear in their lats?

Whether or not you said that, do you? Can you pin them yourself or do you have someone else do it? I’ve definitely heard of some pros putting quite large volumous amount of their gear in their lats…[/quote]

I didn’t mention that, but I do inject my lats and do up to 3ml in each lat. I know some people who do it themselves but I can’t reach so I have my girl do it for me. I’m a big fan of rotating as much as possible to prevent scar tissue.
Quads/glutes/shoulders/lats 3ml
Rear delts 2-2.5ml
Biceps/triceps 1ml

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Since “anything goes” here’s one I’ve been wondering. What’s a typical stack for a high level female figure competitor? Thanks in advance. [/quote]

Very individual like everything else. Depending on the female, some are reacting better than others. I can’t give you a general stack but I can give you a list of substances they may use and an estimate of how much.
What they use and when would depends if they are in off season or cutting.

By far the most popular would be anavar, anywhere from 5mg-50mg
Next popular would be fat burners including t3 12.5mcg and some crazy ass girls have went up to 200mcg/day because of bad coaching or dieting issues. Or Clen.
Some of them use masteron and primobolan between 50-200mg/week
Some use winstrol 10-20mg/day
GH 2-3iu/day
Another popular thing are antiestrogens (use and abuse) arimidex and Proviron

This is very general, it depends on the girl for when and what they are using.
[/quote]

fucking hell it scares me that a chick would use masteron! And 50mg of var is crazy too