in regards to blood tests … will creatinine levels always be high for those with lean body mass ? what to do if your cholesterol is raised ? I know the doc will tell me lower me egg yokes as I eat 6 whole eggs a day and lower my read meat as I eat 250 grams of red meat twice daily which I def don’t want to do!, so should I lower my egg yokes to help this and boost up my fibre intake also to help it ?
also what exercise do you rate best for chest ? and do u start with a flat or inclined
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ktaylor966 wrote:
Sir, will you please outline your final week of contest prep? Do you deplete and Carb-load? You mentioned sodium manipulation as well as diuretics are tricky, but please outline how much water you drinking leading up to contest day.
I am 2 weeks out from a men’s physique show. Doing my previous venture I took bad advice and drank distilled water for the final week, starting at 3 gallons per day and finally on day prior to event I drank one gallon of mineral water. I snagged second pace BUT I came in a little flat and I felt AWFUL for the final few days. The day after the show I pigged out, gained ten lbs overnights and suffered from severe edema in my legs, feet and ankles for over a week.
Thanks in advance for your cutting edge info as the advice I receive was “so eighties!”[/quote]
If you want me to give you any kind of useful advice you will HAVE to post a current picture, and even then I haven’t worked with you and don’t know your body so it will be very general advice. A peak week is completely individual and I could give you a thousand different examples that would work for 1000different people, there is no formula.
Post your current diet, supplements, drug protocol, sodium use… Basically every info you can. 2 weeks out from a show everything matters.[/quote]
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ktaylor966 wrote:
Sir, will you please outline your final week of contest prep? Do you deplete and Carb-load? You mentioned sodium manipulation as well as diuretics are tricky, but please outline how much water you drinking leading up to contest day.
I am 2 weeks out from a men’s physique show. Doing my previous venture I took bad advice and drank distilled water for the final week, starting at 3 gallons per day and finally on day prior to event I drank one gallon of mineral water. I snagged second pace BUT I came in a little flat and I felt AWFUL for the final few days. The day after the show I pigged out, gained ten lbs overnights and suffered from severe edema in my legs, feet and ankles for over a week.
Thanks in advance for your cutting edge info as the advice I receive was “so eighties!”[/quote]
If you want me to give you any kind of useful advice you will HAVE to post a current picture, and even then I haven’t worked with you and don’t know your body so it will be very general advice. A peak week is completely individual and I could give you a thousand different examples that would work for 1000different people, there is no formula.
Post your current diet, supplements, drug protocol, sodium use… Basically every info you can. 2 weeks out from a show everything matters.[/quote]
I’ve attached a pic in my present condition (2 weeks out from a Masters- Men’s Physique competition). I am 47 years old, type-1 Diabetic). I am on TRT only (200 mg of Depo-Test per week, via prescription). I do no other steroid but I take Humalog and Lantus as needed for my diabetes. I am on a low carb diet year-round due to my condition (50-60 gra SKF carbs per day). Only time I go above this is either a cheat meal (
Which necessitates increased Humalog) or when pigging out after a competition for 3-4 straight days.
I am 5’9, 195 lbs and currently very lean though I remain almost this year year-round. I train 6 days per week all year (zero cardio, only weight training at a fast pace). My diet is low carb and higher protein (225-250 grams over day) and fat (75-100 grams per day). I consume meat, salad and vegetables with all the bacon, avocados, whole eggs and blue cheese dressing I want in the off season. Only carbs are a single cup of oat eat off season.
Currently (2 weeks out) consuming 250 grams if protein, 45-50 grams of carbs and approx 35-40 grams of fat per day. Nite: I consume one-two glasses if red wine daily, up,to night before competition. It doesn’t affect me, if anything, it lowers instead of raises blood glucose and it’s my only real indulgence.
I placed second is my latest contest, I qualify for Masters Nationals and could have my Pro Card in two weeks. Back to my original question concerning sodium depletion, carb loading, etc. where do Ingo from here? I want the win and the Pro Card.
Given that I think I look pretty damn good for my age AND the fact that I am a Lifelong insulin dependent diabetic and “almost” natural (other than what I mentioned which is medically prescribed) physique athlete, I am hoping to pick up endorsements, sponsorship and a chance to compete for several years in the sport. (Also, not shown in pic, I have great calves!)
Thank you for the service you provide ALL of us.
[quote]ktaylor966 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ktaylor966 wrote:
Sir, will you please outline your final week of contest prep? Do you deplete and Carb-load? You mentioned sodium manipulation as well as diuretics are tricky, but please outline how much water you drinking leading up to contest day.
I am 2 weeks out from a men’s physique show. Doing my previous venture I took bad advice and drank distilled water for the final week, starting at 3 gallons per day and finally on day prior to event I drank one gallon of mineral water. I snagged second pace BUT I came in a little flat and I felt AWFUL for the final few days. The day after the show I pigged out, gained ten lbs overnights and suffered from severe edema in my legs, feet and ankles for over a week.
Thanks in advance for your cutting edge info as the advice I receive was “so eighties!”[/quote]
If you want me to give you any kind of useful advice you will HAVE to post a current picture, and even then I haven’t worked with you and don’t know your body so it will be very general advice. A peak week is completely individual and I could give you a thousand different examples that would work for 1000different people, there is no formula.
Post your current diet, supplements, drug protocol, sodium use… Basically every info you can. 2 weeks out from a show everything matters.[/quote]
I’ve attached a pic in my present condition (2 weeks out from a Masters- Men’s Physique competition). I am 47 years old, type-1 Diabetic). I am on TRT only (200 mg of Depo-Test per week, via prescription). I do no other steroid but I take Humalog and Lantus as needed for my diabetes. I am on a low carb diet year-round due to my condition (50-60 gra SKF carbs per day). Only time I go above this is either a cheat meal (
Which necessitates increased Humalog) or when pigging out after a competition for 3-4 straight days.
I am 5’9, 195 lbs and currently very lean though I remain almost this year year-round. I train 6 days per week all year (zero cardio, only weight training at a fast pace). My diet is low carb and higher protein (225-250 grams over day) and fat (75-100 grams per day). I consume meat, salad and vegetables with all the bacon, avocados, whole eggs and blue cheese dressing I want in the off season. Only carbs are a single cup of oat eat off season.
Currently (2 weeks out) consuming 250 grams if protein, 45-50 grams of carbs and approx 35-40 grams of fat per day. Nite: I consume one-two glasses if red wine daily, up,to night before competition. It doesn’t affect me, if anything, it lowers instead of raises blood glucose and it’s my only real indulgence.
I placed second is my latest contest, I qualify for Masters Nationals and could have my Pro Card in two weeks. Back to my original question concerning sodium depletion, carb loading, etc. where do Ingo from here? I want the win and the Pro Card.
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Here’s me from the rear
anyone have any thoughts on using metformin for fat loss?
[quote]charnybrah wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]charnybrah wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]charnybrah wrote:
Hey!
First of all I’d like to thank you for your time and all the information you gave in this topic. I would also like to apologize in advance for all the grammar and syntax errors in my message, French is my first language.
I’m 24 years old, 5’11 and 180 pounds. I’m not sure about my bf% but I’m most likely around 10%. I’ll attach a picture to this message if you’d like to guess it for me. I’m currently starting the 6th week of this cycle :
- 1-14 : 250mg test enanthate EW
- 1-14 : 600mg tren enanthate EW
- 8-14 : 50mg winstrol ED
I might also add 400mg masteron enanthate for the last 6 weeks. Would it be a good idea or would it be useless?
It’s my first cutting cycle, I’m not competing yet but I wanted to try those compounds to see how my body react to them. I’d like to compete in men physic but I think I’m not big enough for that yet. How big and how conditioned are the men physic competitors?
I’m currently eating approximately 2300 calories per day. I’ve been at 180 pounds for a couple of week but I’ve been dropping a lot of fat. This is my current diet on paper :
Breakfast (209 calories 32c 2f 18p) :
- 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
- 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal
- 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt
Meal 1 (388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :
- 3x85g sole fillets
- 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
- 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
- 4 boiled asparagus
Meal 2 (321 calories 38c 2f 37p) :
- 100g cooked chicken breast
- 1/2cup white rice
- 4 boiled asparagus
Pre-workout meal (265 calories 47c 6f 8p) :
- 85g elbow macaroni
- 1 tsp olive oil
- 4 olives
- sliced onions
Intra-workout :
- BCAA
- 2-3 rice cakes (Sometime I eat them in the locker room before hitting the iron) : 105 calories 21c 0f 3p
Post-workout (240 calories 30c 2.5f 24p):
- 60g whey
- 30g maltodextrin
- 5g glutamine
Post-workout meal (30-60minutes after workout)(388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :
- 3x85g sole fillets
- 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
- 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
- 4 boiled asparagus
Night snack (226 calories 33c 1f 19p) :
- 1cup raw spinach
- 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt
- 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
- 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal
Pre-bed (127 calories 2c 2.5f 24p)
- 60g whey
- 5g glutamine
- 1.25g ashwagandha
For a total of :
- 2259 calories
- 268g carbs
- 23g fats
- 244g proteins
Am I eating too low fats? Is it normal that I get a lot of “carb rages” during the day? Sometime I feel I can’t function correctly until I eat a bowl of cereal ahah.
I’d like some critics on my physic if possible.
I took this picture last friday.
Thank you in advance!
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Bonjour! Your English is fine my friend!
You’re closer to 7-8% bodyfat (not 10%)
Take into consideration that the leaner you are, the more carbs and calories in general you can eat. The reason you’re experiences these carb rages is because your general macros are just too low. A few things I would change immediately are:
-intraworkout nutrition, you need specific types and amounts of carbs and protein while you train… Best way to get it is from Plazma, nothing else will be close or comparable. Drink 2 servings intraworkout, this will give you better workouts, better recovery and better gains.(an extra 76g of carbs/day and 30g protein)
-increase fats to 50g/day… Consume them before bed and in your second meal
-increase protein to at least 300g/day… Add this from hydrolyzed casein (MAG-10) 1.5 servings post workout and first thing in the morning 30min before breakfast.
-try to get protein @ 50g/meal (approx.)
- if you want to add masteron for 6 weeks, use masteron-prop not enanthate. That isn’t enough time to get results from a long ester. 100mg eod will do the trick and it’ll get you even harder and leaner than you are already.
- I think you should increase your test dosage to at least a 1:1 ratio with your tren… So about 600mg/week. This is part of the reason why you feel like crap.
As for competing in men’s physique, you can definitely do this soon but you’ll have to add a little more size… Maybe about 3-4lbs of muscle at most. They are coming in around 5% bodyfat so you’re not that far off. Your weak point is your chest and you can also use a bit more size on your arms and shoulders.
Trust me, the Plazma will do wonders for your physique and your overall feeling. Get on these recommendations ASAP and let me know how you do.
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Thank you for your response! I’ll get on these recommendations as soon as possible and I’ll give you some news about my progress soon.
I also had another question. I’m currently planning my winter blast and I was thinking about something like :
- 1-14(16?) : 600-800mg test e (T400)
- 1-14(16?) : 600mg equipoise
- 1-14(16?) : 300-450mg deca (depending on the test dose)
- 1-4 : 20-40mg dbol
- 1-4 : 25mg winstrol
I’ve heard good reviews about combining dbol and winny, would it be a good idea to combine them? I’m also thinking about eq because I’m playing hockey during the winter so it will help with my endurance. Deca is there for mass of course!
I’ll be on 4k calories per day, not quite sure how my macros will look like yet.
My goal with that cycle is to increase my endurance and gain mass. I might just drop the deca and increase the eq to 900-1200mg per week.
Do you have any suggestions? Thank you in advance!
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Can you please post a picture, the cycle you are suggesting for your off season is pretty harsh. Considering your goals I would agree to dropping the deca and increasing your eq…maybe add tren-e to this mix. Dbol and winstrol together are a good combo but they are hard on your liver so I wouldn’t use both together unless strength is your main goal. For mass gains you can do other stuff.
Please post a picture and then I’ll give you a better answer[/quote]
Here’s a picture. Sorry for the filters, I’m at work and the only way I can get pictures is my Instagram. I can upload a better one tonight if you want. I’m 5’10, currently 180 pounds. I love tren, but I can’t really add it to my winter blast since I need my cardio for hockey. I will most likely forget about deca, decrease the test to 600mg and increase the eq a little.
I’ll also forget about winstrol. What oral would you suggest for me?
Thank you in advance!
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Looking good, your legs are dominant… I’m guessing that’s from your hockey. It’s hard to tell by this picture how lean you are but you are definitely on the right direction. You need a bit more upper body development, chest and arms specifically but put up a better picture so I can tell for sure.
If you want something for aggression and strength, halotestin would be your best choice… Take into consideration it’s a very harsh drug so you need to control yourself or the guys on the other team will have to watch out! It’s the BEST oral you can use for strength gains, hardness and it will help put a decent amount of mass on you combined with the other drugs. If you don’t want something so hard you can try oral turinabol, it’s kind of like dbol but without as much water retention and it’s a bit weaker but will contribute to strength and mass.
You can go pretty high with the eq, between 800 to 1200mg/week, it will give you great mass gains. No need for deca if you do this, you’re 24 so leave the deca I’m sure you still want to please the ladies. Don’t do winstrol either because it might hard on your joints and wouldn’t be good for hockey.
If you do the halo, start with 30mg and see how it goes… You can increase it if you are okay with it. Don’t forget your HCG and nolvadex.
[quote]bobbodybuilder wrote:
I didn’t go through the whole thread, so you may have already answered this but, what is in your opinion the best ASS and combination of AAS for improved onstage look ? I would guess tren, winny and halotestin. Also do you think that running methyltrienolone alongside inj. tren would bring any further improvement in physique?[/quote]
I don’t think it will give you a lot of benefit to add this to injectable tren, same as I don’t see a point of doing oral winstrol and injectable winstrol together. There’s no best combination, you just need to know how to combine the hardening drugs (tren, masteron, primo, winny etc,) with the right dose of anti estrogens and diet to get your best look on stage. How to combine them and what dose you use is completely individual. Some people use insulin to get a fuller look on stage, but again that’s very individual.
[quote]thor159 wrote:
For a natural person, what kind of diet would you recommend when on a cutting phase?
What’s your opinion on carb-backloading, carb-nite solution, ketogenic diet?[/quote]
It’s completely individual and depends on the person… Like I mentioned before some people respond well to carbs and others don’t, so their diet is based around what works for them based on their individual needs. Body type, metabolic rate, activity rate, style of training and so on… Thousands of variables so it’s literally impossible to give a generic diet.
I have no good opinion on any of these 3 topics, I don’t feel like turning this post into a negative one so I just won’t say anything.
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
Shadow,
Question regarding nutrition and I apologize if you answered it already, I have been following along and don’t recall you having answered.
On your off season how many cheat meals per week do you have, both when on gear and off? I’m assuming of course less cheat meals during the 3 months you take off. I also fully realize you can get away with more or larger cheats as you have a lot more muscle than someone like myself.
I know you aren’t a fan of IIFYM and I’m not either but do you know of any pro’s who use this method? I have never heard of a pro doing this but was curious if maybe some did in the off season.
Awesome thread, thank you for joining the site![/quote]
In my off season I do 2 cheat meals a week, usually Wednesday and Saturday. Honestly, I’m forcing myself to have them because I’m eating so much as is. When I’m dieting I have 1 cheat meal a week on my off day, usually the day before leg day and I do it religiously until 2 weeks out.
You are correct, the more muscle you have and the leaner you are then the more food you can handle and you can usually get away with more cheat.
I’ll say it very clear… THERE IS NOT ONE MALE PRO BODYBUILDER THAT USES IIFYM, it might work for a regular fat person that is just trying to lose a bit of weight. Any professional athlete trying to use this will not be able to progress to the required level, it would be a miserable fail. The quality of your food is just as important as the quantity. You can’t compare pizza to steak and potato! Look at the people who promote this diet, show me a high level athlete that it works for…
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Awesome, thank you for your reply!!
I’m 100% on board with your thoughts on IIFYM and I personally do not follow it. It just seems like Dr Norton tries to ram it down peoples’ throats but I know one of his IFBB clients personally and know they didn’t follow it for their prep
My coach has me sticking to good “clean” sources even during the off season and honestly I feel better and perform better when I eat that way.
Thank you again for your reply and love all the information you are giving all of us!![/quote]
Seems to me like your coach knows what he’s doing. Norton is just there to make money from innocent people… He has a lot of good points and also a lot of bad ones… The iifym is just a good gimmick to make money from the average joe.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]bobbodybuilder wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]bobbodybuilder wrote:
I didn’t go through the whole thread, so you may have already answered this but, what is in your opinion the best ASS and combination of AAS for improved onstage look ? I would guess tren, winny and halotestin. Also do you think that running methyltrienolone alongside inj. tren would bring any further improvement in physique?[/quote]
do you not think that neglecting to read the thread and asking a question he’s already answered is kind of a fuck you to the big guy?[/quote]
If it was already answered he can just ignore it, surely.
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I guess. Still think it was rude of you to ask before you’d read the thread, but whatevs.
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Officer Yogi is on the job!!
[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. I know earlier you mentioned that you prefer carbs in over fats, but you also mentioned that on off days carb intake should be reduced by a fair amount. So my question is, during the off-season on off days I’ll be reducing my carb intake. Though by doing so I’ll have a hard time consuming as much as calories as I should.
So, how do I obtain the remaining calories on off days to reach my total caloric intake? Should the extra calories come from fats or more carbs? Would this also apply during a cut as well? Assuming I am 200-300 calories short and have consumed my carbs/proteins per day, it fine to consume fats to reach my total calories per day?
- During this off-season I plan on using Test E and Tren E to bulk. This is my favourite stack. Do you think I am better off using 500mg Tren E/Week + 1500mg Test E/week or do you think it’s wiser to keep Tren E at 500mg/Week, drop Test E to 1000mg/Week and add EQ to the stack? I’ve used EQ in the past at 600mg/week, but it doesn’t seem to do too much aside from increase vascularity and appetite. Would would you say the sweetspot is for EQ to get its full benefits? Also would you say 500mg Tren E/Week during the off-season is a sufficient dose?
3.For someone that weights 240-245lbs in the off-season at 6’0 what dose of humalog would you suggest pre-work out? I’ve used 7-15IU in the past. I’ve heard of guys going up to 20IU and I’ve heard of guys saying anything over 10IU will add too much fat. In your opinion, is the dose of Humalog used dependent on the user’s muscle mass/weight? Or could say a 240lbs athlete use as much as a 200lbs athlete and still have the same benefits?
In general, what would you say is the sweetspot in order to receive significant benefits, without adding too much fat. I am personally thinking of sticking at 10IU pre-work out and maybe going up to 12IU if I go past 250? Still not sure if I should increase the dose as I get heavier or not.
On a side, I know that it’s not wise to consume fats for 4 hours after Humalog is administrated in order to avoid fat gains. Do you think fats should be avoided 30 minutes-60 minutes before Humalog is taken as well? I am just thinking that if a person has ingested fats shortly before Humalog is administrated, then those fats could lead to fat gains as well. What’s your take on this?[/quote]
- In your off days, you don’t necessarily need to replace those calories especially while cutting. The lower calorie days (because of the drop in carbs) will help you get leaner and remember when you aren’t training you don’t exert as much energy so you don’t need to eat as much, this is why your calorie needs on off days are different.
As for your off season, I would probably only cut the intraworkout carbs,so just don’t drink your Plazma on off days and just exchange the protein from the Plazma to another protein source and maybe add 20g more of fat on these days. Only add the fats if you are in a gaining phase. If you are using a high carb approach while dieting your fats shouldn’t be more 50g a day (100g in off season)
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You’re doing pretty high dosages so I hope you’re an experience user. I think going to 1500mg of test is too high for most people, I would keep it at 1g and bump up the tren to 600-800 (if you’re experience) and eq 800-1000. The thing with eq is that for most experienced users you’ll only see results in very high dosages, I went up to 1200mg/week and some people are doing 1500 and getting great size gains. Again, these dosages are for very experienced and high level users. Not dosages for intermediate training.
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insulin dosages depends on your insulin sensitivity, it has little to do with how much you weigh but a lot to do with how your body is handling carbs, I know 200kb bodybuilders who use over 20iu of insulin preworkout and stay lean and 260lb bodybuilders who use 10iu and they gain fat because it’s too much for them.
You can keep increasing the dose as long as you’re not gaining fat. The only way to know is to experiment, so start low and go up from there. If your body handles carbs well you won’t gain fat but if you’re insulin resistant then you will.
- I would definitely avoid fat 30 min prior to insulin as well, just to be on the safe side.
If you can post a picture I will give you a better idea about insulin use specific to you. Usually the leaner you are, the more carbs you can eat and the more insulin you can use.[/quote]
Sure. I attached two pics from my last off-season. There are at 235lbs at 6’0. I used slin 4 weeks on-4weeks off at 15IU pre-work out. I looked bigger and fuller day by day up until mid-end of week 2. After that I started looking puffy and too watery. I definitely added some fat. My dose of GH was only 4IU/Day though. In general my metabolism is decent. If I eat well, I get lean fast, if I eat shity I’ll get fat. So I guess I am right in the middle. I am very prone to holding a shit ton of water from high sodium and high carb intake though. What dose of Slin do you think I should use? With 15IU pre-work out I was able to get away with drinking 50g of carbs 15 mins before I took my shake, and another 50g during my work out without going hypo. Though like I said I added more fat than desired at 15IU.
As for my cycle, you think the following should be g2g?
Test E 1g/week
EQ 900mg/week
Tren E 600mg/week [/quote]
If that’s the case, keep the insulin no more than 10iu preworkout and drink the 100g of carbs while you train from PLAZMA. As long as you’re drinking the carbs while you train and not before and after, your body will absorb them and use them while you’re training. The trick is to finish your carbs just before your workout ends, it will prevent any fat gains.
Cycle looks good to me… Don’t forget HCG 250iu every 3rd day and 20mg nolva during cycle. It won’t hurt your gains and will help with water retention and gyno.
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Okay, so let me just get something straight, because now I think I was following the wrong protocol. When I used Humalog in the past I would consume a shake 15 mins before work out with my humalog shot, a shake intra work out and a shake post work out.
You’re saying I should pin humalog 15 minutes pre-work out and don’t drink a shake? So I start drinking my shake intra-work out and nothing pre. Will this not cause me to go Hypo though?
Also as for post work out what do you recommend? Should I consume a shake? whole meal? or nothing?[/quote]
No, you will not go hypo with the Plazma and Humalog together. Do the shot of Slin 10min prior to workout and then you can start sipping your plazma and continue to drink it throughout the workout. You can have a MAG-10 shake post workout (1.5-2 servings) and then eat a solid meal 30-60min after.
What you were doing before is too much, there is too many shakes there and I’m guessing you were eating way too many carbs than you needed to cover the insulin with all of these shakes.
Try the Plazma and see how to like it, you won’t regret it… I’ve used a lot more than 10iu with this and never went hypo or gained any fat with it.
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So pretty much you use hcg almost continuously for 3/4 of the year and are able to come completely off in your detox period? You mentioned you come completely off gear 2-3 months of the year with an aggressive pct, during this phase you are completely relying on your natural hormone production?
i might not remember correctly cause its about 20 pages ago in this thread and can’t find it, also if i do remember right you also mentioned you feel fine till about month 2 in terms of not suffering big mass losses (so if something were to happen to make you decide to quit bodybuilding, would you think you could live on your own body or hrt?)
Obliviously the average juicer doesn’t stay on gear that long, so you think one could safely use hcg throughout a cycle without needing to worry about recovering?
you said you recommend using hcg up into pct, any specific reason for this? during pct one would want their natural LH to stimulate the testes, i don’t know if hcg causes shutdown by itself but wouldn’t it interfere with the pct?
On a side note: steroid forums are great, i can just ask about another’s mans balls and it’s not weird …[/quote]
I’m on HCG 6months of the year on average… It depends on how many shows I’m doing each year and if I’m doing back to back shows, this will dictate how much time I’ll be using it. All of my offseason I am always on it and depending how much water I’m holding I’ll cut it out at 2-6week before the show.
When I’m going off completely, I will heavily use natural test boosters like AlphaMale (sometimes 3x the recommended dose) and for 4 weeks I will still be using clomid (100mg) and HCG (3000-5000iu e3d) in high dosages as well as nolvadex.
You also need to remember that my cycles are very heavy so even when I’m off for 2-3 months there’s still traces of it in my system to technically I’m not completely “clean” in this time… So I never have a big crash. When I stop competing in bodybuilding I will always stay on a low dose of test and GH for the rest of my life.
The dosage of HCG for the average user and how long he can use it depends on how hard his cycle so and how long. A small dose of HCG during a regular cycle (ex. 250iu e3d) will not effect the ability to recover after your cycle so it’s fine to use without worrying.
HCG alone won’t cause you to shut down by itself and depending on the dose your body will still be able to function naturally.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Tweeder wrote:
Sorry for the poor memory but did you mention that most pros put the majority of their gear in their lats?
Whether or not you said that, do you? Can you pin them yourself or do you have someone else do it? I’ve definitely heard of some pros putting quite large volumous amount of their gear in their lats…[/quote]
I didn’t mention that, but I do inject my lats and do up to 3ml in each lat. I know some people who do it themselves but I can’t reach so I have my girl do it for me. I’m a big fan of rotating as much as possible to prevent scar tissue.
Quads/glutes/shoulders/lats 3ml
Rear delts 2-2.5ml
Biceps/triceps 1ml
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3ml in a barrel all in one spot? Is there a high, middle, and low spot on each side of the lat or do you just go for the meatiest part all the time? Does your wife go in from the side(arm raised) or from the rear…directly in or up and in?
I know some guys that only hit the lat with the slin pin, but if it can hold a decent amount in one spot I dont want to waste my time doing that slin pin in the lat crap.
[quote]silverback1984 wrote:
in regards to blood tests … will creatinine levels always be high for those with lean body mass ? what to do if your cholesterol is raised ? I know the doc will tell me lower me egg yokes as I eat 6 whole eggs a day and lower my read meat as I eat 250 grams of red meat twice daily which I def don’t want to do!, so should I lower my egg yokes to help this and boost up my fibre intake also to help it ?
also what exercise do you rate best for chest ? and do u start with a flat or inclined[/quote]
CPK is usually elevated for any athletes who train hard, it doesn’t have anything to do with how lean you are… It’s because of the stress you put on your body while training.
It depends how high your cholesterol is… If it’s not very high I wouldn’t worry about it too much but if it is you can change your fat sources but keep the red meat, 10oz of red meat won’t raise your cholesterol significantly.
I don’t have a best exercise for chest, I change them all the time depending on my needs and what I need to achieve from the exercises.
[quote]ktaylor966 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ktaylor966 wrote:
Sir, will you please outline your final week of contest prep? Do you deplete and Carb-load? You mentioned sodium manipulation as well as diuretics are tricky, but please outline how much water you drinking leading up to contest day.
I am 2 weeks out from a men’s physique show. Doing my previous venture I took bad advice and drank distilled water for the final week, starting at 3 gallons per day and finally on day prior to event I drank one gallon of mineral water. I snagged second pace BUT I came in a little flat and I felt AWFUL for the final few days. The day after the show I pigged out, gained ten lbs overnights and suffered from severe edema in my legs, feet and ankles for over a week.
Thanks in advance for your cutting edge info as the advice I receive was “so eighties!”[/quote]
If you want me to give you any kind of useful advice you will HAVE to post a current picture, and even then I haven’t worked with you and don’t know your body so it will be very general advice. A peak week is completely individual and I could give you a thousand different examples that would work for 1000different people, there is no formula.
Post your current diet, supplements, drug protocol, sodium use… Basically every info you can. 2 weeks out from a show everything matters.[/quote]
I’ve attached a pic in my present condition (2 weeks out from a Masters- Men’s Physique competition). I am 47 years old, type-1 Diabetic). I am on TRT only (200 mg of Depo-Test per week, via prescription). I do no other steroid but I take Humalog and Lantus as needed for my diabetes. I am on a low carb diet year-round due to my condition (50-60 gra SKF carbs per day). Only time I go above this is either a cheat meal (
Which necessitates increased Humalog) or when pigging out after a competition for 3-4 straight days.
I am 5’9, 195 lbs and currently very lean though I remain almost this year year-round. I train 6 days per week all year (zero cardio, only weight training at a fast pace). My diet is low carb and higher protein (225-250 grams over day) and fat (75-100 grams per day). I consume meat, salad and vegetables with all the bacon, avocados, whole eggs and blue cheese dressing I want in the off season. Only carbs are a single cup of oat eat off season.
Currently (2 weeks out) consuming 250 grams if protein, 45-50 grams of carbs and approx 35-40 grams of fat per day. Nite: I consume one-two glasses if red wine daily, up,to night before competition. It doesn’t affect me, if anything, it lowers instead of raises blood glucose and it’s my only real indulgence.
I placed second is my latest contest, I qualify for Masters Nationals and could have my Pro Card in two weeks. Back to my original question concerning sodium depletion, carb loading, etc. where do Ingo from here? I want the win and the Pro Card.
Given that I think I look pretty damn good for my age AND the fact that I am a Lifelong insulin dependent diabetic and “almost” natural (other than what I mentioned which is medically prescribed) physique athlete, I am hoping to pick up endorsements, sponsorship and a chance to compete for several years in the sport. (Also, not shown in pic, I have great calves!)
Thank you for the service you provide ALL of us.
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In your state I would try to keep it as simple as possible, try to lose the remaining fat you have in the last two weeks. Adding 3 days of cardio a week @25min each HIIT is not a bad idea and it will help you. I don’t want to do any drastic changes at this point and since you only have two weeks you should keep doing what you’ve been doing… Don’t carb load or carb deplete, eat your normal meals up until the show. Drink your normal amount of water (it should be 1-1.5gallons/day) and 12-16hrs before stage you can cut your water to help you dry out a bit. You can cut your sodium in half in the last 2 days before the show but DO NOT cut it completely or it will flatten you out.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
anyone have any thoughts on using metformin for fat loss?[/quote]
Depends on your diet and current condition as well as your other drugs you are combining it with. Be more specific about who will be using it and why then I’ll be able to help you out.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]thor159 wrote:
For a natural person, what kind of diet would you recommend when on a cutting phase?
What’s your opinion on carb-backloading, carb-nite solution, ketogenic diet?[/quote]
It’s completely individual and depends on the person… Like I mentioned before some people respond well to carbs and others don’t, so their diet is based around what works for them based on their individual needs. Body type, metabolic rate, activity rate, style of training and so on… Thousands of variables so it’s literally impossible to give a generic diet.
I have no good opinion on any of these 3 topics, I don’t feel like turning this post into a negative one so I just won’t say anything.
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I guess it would’d been better asked in a different way. What I really meant to ask is if is there any pros you know doing extremely low carbs and high fats getting ready to compete or if in general they would just maintain low fat and high/moderate carbs. Pretty much what the other guy asked if there is any pro doing Intermitent Fasting and you mentioned there is none that you know.
What’s your opinion on soy isolate protein? A big no-no or it has it’s place on a diet?
[quote]bobbodybuilder wrote:
I didn’t go through the whole thread, so you may have already answered this but, what is in your opinion the best ASS and combination of AAS for improved onstage look ? I would guess tren, winny and halotestin. Also do you think that running methyltrienolone alongside inj. tren would bring any further improvement in physique?[/quote]
Dont be disrespectful. Go through the entire thread and then take notes. Then, come up with something that hasn’t been asked if you want help.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]ktaylor966 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
In your state I would try to keep it as simple as possible, try to lose the remaining fat you have in the last two weeks. Adding 3 days of cardio a week @25min each HIIT is not a bad idea and it will help you. I don’t want to do any drastic changes at this point and since you only have two weeks you should keep doing what you’ve been doing… Don’t carb load or carb deplete, eat your normal meals up until the show. Drink your normal amount of water (it should be 1-1.5gallons/day) and 12-16hrs before stage you can cut your water to help you dry out a bit. You can cut your sodium in half in the last 2 days before the show but DO NOT cut it completely or it will flatten you out.
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Thank you for the advice Sir. Coincidentally I did perform a HIIT cardio session following my leg workout today. I plan to keep this up and follow the remainder of your aforementioned advise. One more question, I wont cut my carbs completely but I do plan on performing high intensity “depletion” workouts at the beginning of final week.
Mr. shadow, anytime I have a high-starchy meal (as in a baked potato or pasta) as an evening meal, I look and feel amazing the following morning. I had originally planned on eating a baked potato the night before this upcoming show. Is this poor planning or does it remain a good idea? Also note, my normal eater consumption is 2 gallons/day. Is the more, the better, except for final days/s?