Q&A with Shadow Pro

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[quote]CxTucker wrote:
What do you think of “rebounds” after hard cuts?

I.E. cutting down to 7-8% BF, then instantly upping calories a good bit to pack on good weight? How would you go about doing it? (Knowing every situation is different).[/quote]

Huge fan of rebound phases!! I think it’s the best time for you to grow as your insulin sensitivity skyrockets and your body will absorb everything you give it in the best way possible. You’re right, every case is different but as a general rule I would start adding 25g of carbs every 3 days(most intraworkout) and keep doing this until you notice any fat accumulation. Also increase protein by about 10%. Since you are increasing your carbs it is the time to increase your training intensity.

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[quote]nacho wrote:
hows it going chief? planing my next cycle… currently in the last week of a test and winny cycle, have been running 500mg of test weekly (15 weeks)50mg of winny a day for the final 7 weeks, next cycle was planing on running the same but adding hgh, is this a good combination or should i change the winny? [/quote]

Hi NACHO… Going well, thanks for joining us.

HGH is a great combination with whatever drugs your are taking including winstrol. If you want to change your winstrol it depends on your goal. If it’s a cutting cycle then winstrol is fine but if you want to gain muscle I think tbol or dbol would be a better choice.

Tell me about your goals and what you’re looking to do and I’ll be able to help you better.

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thanks for getting back to me ,i was planning on running tren during my blasting phases and probably an oral too during meet prep,i’ll take your advise and lower the test dose ,what i really want to find out is how long to blast and how long to cruise?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

Here’s a pic. And a friend had suggested using Triptorelin (I believe?) afterwards for PCT. He knows his stuff, has done a lot of research. NPC BB’er. He said it had to be done IM and only takes one shot but brings you back to normal levels straight away. Thoughts?

Also he really suggested cutting down my sodium intake and that could be one of the biggest reasons I appear to be retaining so much water and not near as lean as I actually am. That would also negate the need for dieuretics. He said he personally doesn’t go above 1200mg when getting ready, I think 15-1800 would be more realistic for me…as mine is usually well over 3000mg/day.

I’m getting ready to cut down another 100/cal for the week so I’ll be around 2350cal/day. I know I still have some serious fat to lose.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:
What would you recommend as a first cycle for someone willing to see how would the substances work on his body?

Would a 1 compound, oral only be worth it at all?[/quote]

It really depends on the situation. This is extremely general, in some cases this could work but please give me more details if it’s something you are wanting to try for yourself.
[/quote]

I thought interesting the idea of running 1 compound only for the first cycle to see how the body would respond to that, instead of mixing several and now knowing exactly how the body responds to each one of them.

I had mild gyno when entering puberty (natural reasons) and that’s why I am a bit concernet with test before I really know how the body would respond to different compounds.

I had a look into a Anavar only cycle but I found mixed opinions around. Some say it’s really great and work wonders and some others say it’s silly and stupid to ever run something without test. It got me interested especially that it’s said to help a lot with hardness, strenght and also a little on the side of fat burning.

I asked previously if a 1 compound only cycle would be any worth it cause I’ve already heard before that you should look to take as much as you can out of your first cycle so you can use the full potential of your receptors since you’ve never used anything before.

I am not really looking to get massive and gain tons of weight, just a dry and harder look and mostly lean gains.

Cheers.
[/quote]

A one compound cycle can work, it’s not the optimal choice but it will definitely give you results. Only try this is you are under 10% bodyfat otherwise you won’t see any significant gains, the hard and lean look will be more profound if you are starting with a low bf level.

Because you’ve had problems in the past with gyno, I would keep nolva and HCG on hand incase you get shut down (which is unlikely but still possible). Your best options for an oral only cycle would be anavar, tbol or winstrol. You don’t HAVE to run test with everything, it probably a good idea but you’ll get results without it.

I would never recommend anyone to do an all out full blown first cycle, it’s dangerous and stupid. It won’t give you as much as you think. The body responds better to gradual change.
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Thanks for the answer.

Going with Anavar, what would be the minimum dose for it to start working and what would be the maximum recommended dose for someone trying it for the first time? As well as the length of the cycle?

How long of a PCT would be needed, what ideally would be used (nolva and hcg only?) and the dosages?

In case I get shutdown and start getting issues with gyno, ideally should I stop the compound and start Nolva/HCG or shouldn’t I stop it abruptly, and start the Nolva/HCG while still on cycle?

Would you recommend any liver protection?

I’m trying to get all bases covered and gather some information before, instead of just jumping into it and then having to look for answers for the problems when they’ve already started to manifest.

Thanks a lot again.[/quote]

Week 1-2 40mg/day
Week 3-4 60mg/day
Week 5-8 80mg/day

40 would be considered a minimum dose to see any effect for a guy and 60 would be considered average. 80-100mg is the highest I’d go… It depends on the quality of the anavar, if it’s good then 80 would be more than enough. 8 weeks is a good time for a first cycle.

Pct should be around 4 weeks (you might not even need it) 250iu 2x/week and clomid @ 50mg for 4 weeks.

If you start getting gyno issues, don’t just stop the cycle abruptly. I would hop on nolvadex @20mg/day. It’s very doubtful that this would happen but you can go up to 40mg/day if needed.

For liver protection 600mg of NAC everyday[/quote]
I didn’t understand quite well some stuff if you don’t mind explaining it again.

“Pct should be around 4 weeks (you might not even need it) 250iu 2x/week and clomid @ 50mg for 4 weeks.”

Clomid every day for 4 weeks and then 250iu of what twice a week and twice a week when? Something like Monday/friday or what?

Nolvadex ONLY in case I get shut down?

What about the HCG?

So in the end I should have all 3 compounds in hands? HCG, Nolvadex and Clomid?

Thanks a lot again.
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When you finish your anavar cycle do blood tests and if everything is fine you don’t need a pct, but if you are shut down or feeling negative side effects from the cycle then do the 4 week pct of 250iu of HCG Monday and Friday for example and clomid for 4 weeks @50mg everyday (the HCG and clomid are running together for the 4weeks)

You will only use nolvadex if gyno symptoms are occurring throughout the cycle. You should have all of the compounds before you start the cycle just incase.
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Since you mentioned blood tests, I’ve been planing to do a check up soon. Could you list what tests are the most important for someone to have frequently checked when having a complete check-up (liver, kidneys, cholesterol, blood glucose, etc)? If you don’t mind listing them in an order of importance would be great.

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Shadow Pro,

First, thank you for the time and help you are providing. I’ve been following the entire thread and have learned a lot, but have SO much still to learn. Up until this point I have competed and trained naturally but am looking to take it to the next level as I feel my experience is now ready to support that desire. I’m 29, 6’0", 197lbs, 11 years dedicated training, BS in exercise science, competed in 5 shows, I’m 13lbs over my last contest 10 weeks ago. Four days ago I got blood work done (lipid and metabolic panels) to see where I stand. I’m curious to what you think of my results and whether this would be a bad idea for me or not. FYI, my lipid profile has always been “abnormal” by current medical standards. I wouldn’t necessarily agree however from what I’ve read, but that’s another story. Elevated LDL runs in my family, however there has not been premature death/complications of heart disease despite.

Total Cholesterol…353mg/dl
HDL…59mg/dl
LDL…274mg/dl
Cholesterol/HDL ratio…6.0
Triglycerides…101mg/dl

Only results out of normal range for my metabolic panel was…
AST…63 U/L
ALT…49 U/L
I was told by a trustworthy source that the elevated liver enzymes is perfectly normal for someone that strenuously trains on a regular basis.

Current diet:
Training days…2,819cal/297g PRO/ 239g CHO/ 75g FAT.
Non-training days…2551cal/277g PRO/ 102g CHO/ 115g FAT.
1-2 cheat meals per week.

PRO sources: chicken breast, grass fed beef, eggs, salmon, whey iso
CHO sources: oatmeal, sweet potatoes, jasmine rice, veggies, cream of wheat,
cyclic dextrins
FAT’s (other than protein sources): avocado, coconut oil, almonds, nut
butter
Current Training:
Up to 6days/week now with weights.
3-4 sessions 30min steady state cardio on treadmill per week.

Other pertinent info/concerns:
I most definitely suffer from gyno - Ive had it since a child and have no idea what it actually came from.
I’m assuming with my current lipid profile that orals are probably not a good idea.

Any other information you may need just ask, I tried my best to include everything I thought you’d need to make your best recommendation. I did attach photo’s so if they don’t show I will repost them again.

Thank you for your time!

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Awesome!

Kinda a noob question, but what are the main differences between lean mass gain and straight mass gain? Is it just the amount of water I’ll hold? Is one better than the I her for gaining overall size or are they relatively the same just one holds more water?

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[quote]Anass wrote:
Hi Shadow pro,first of all thank you very much for you’re time and honesty,I’ts very educative!

I have a few Q’s that i really wanted 2 ask a expert.

1: I’m 23 years old,24 in august,now 8 month b-c,currenly cruising on 250 T 500hcg/week 10 nolva.
I have a contest end november,I’m gonna start my prep/blast end july,after the contest should I do a BIG PCT for health/recovery sake OR
cruise 12 weeks …and…

2:Kinda Like Q1,i juiced for like a year,is it not better 2 stay 4 ever on test ? I mean we love this lifestyle,If I come of I lose 60% of my gains and be fat/skinny (serious,fucked up genetics lol)

3:If I do morning cardio before breakfast (taking bcaa-fatburners) Can I eat whole eggs (fats) and a apple (sugar) with my oats and eggwhites,I dont want 2 shuttle down my fatburn activity…and then same question postworkout shake,I read you are HUGE on Plazma,IF I do cardio

after my heavy duty training pre contest should I use dextrose/Plazma/vitargo 30-40gr in my shake allong with whey-crea-bcaa or is that going 2 stop my fatburn ? (I do HIIT cardio) and the meal after this should it conclude any type of healty fats?

4: I like to take slin pre workout and post workout 4iu/4iu,if I train and do my cardio post workout is it possible to take 4 iu slin after the cardio
and do my shake ( whey/sugars) its stops fat burning logicly?

Sorry for the noob questions bro…kinda embarissing lol
Greetz from Belgium![/quote]

  1. Since you’ve been on so long, I would definitely go with an aggressive pct and a detox after your competition. You’re already 8 months on so it will help to clean you up and open your receptors

  2. There’s no better or worse, but if you ever plan on having kids I would recommend taking some time off. If you don’t care about this then by all means, stay on.

  3. Do not eat fat or sugars in your first meal after your cardio. Just have a MAG-10 and then 30-60min after have a regular meal of protein and complex carbs. Drink your Plazma intraworkout and have a MAG-10 post workout, it will not hurt your fat burning process… If anything it will help you.

  4. Don’t use dextrose or vitargo, none of this crap works and it’s a waste of your money. Plazma intraworkout and MAG-10 post workout will give you every thing you need to grow and recover. Add Creatine Malate to your Plazma intraworkout and drink bcaa’s throughout the day. Do not eat any fat within 4 hours after the insulin shot and I wouldn’t take insulin post cardio, there’s no logic there… Do it pre workout and if you want to do another shot do it first thing in the morning before your first meal.

Don’t be embarrassed, the questions are great… Thanks for joining.

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[quote]Sincl@r wrote:
Hi Shadow, currently dieting on 250 test e, 400 primo and 300 tren a, no gh or insulin.
In your experience, what works best with tren in a diet to get ripped and get/stay full, perhaps even gain a couple of pounds:
° high protein - high carb - verly low fat (< 40)
° high protein - medium carb - medium fat

I’m 250-300kcals under maintenance, also carb cycling like you suggested earlier, 200 carbs on workout days, 100 on resting days.

I know everyone is different, but I’ve read that tren loves carbs, even when dieting. Could you maybe enlighten us a bit on this matter.

All my respect to you and good luck with your diet, hope you get spot on at the Olympia![/quote]

Absolutely, 100% option #1 High protein, high carb, low fat

Since you are only doing 200g of carbs on your workout days, make sure that at least 100g of them come from Plazma intraworkout. This combined with the tren will give you insane strength and pump. One of the reasons that carbs are so great with tren is because you are getting very strong and aggressive in the gym while you’re on it so you can train longer and harder allowing your body to utilize more carbs and this where the Plazma comes into place.

If you don’t give your body the “fuel” for the tren to utilize to increase the strength and aggressiveness in the gym it will be less beneficial and your overall results won’t be as prominent… With the introduction of Plazma you will ensure that your body is getting it’s nutritional needs for training. On tren your body is like a Ferrari so you want to give it the best fuel possible!

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[quote]serial lifter wrote:
thanks for getting back to me ,i was planning on running tren during my blasting phases and probably an oral too during meet prep,i’ll take your advise and lower the test dose ,what i really want to find out is how long to blast and how long to cruise?[/quote]

Moderate test(under 1g), high tren (anywhere over 600mg) and a strong oral will be your best option for a strength cycle. I would say a 12 week blast at most and a minimum of 6 weeks for the cruise, preferably 8.
If you’re a powerlifter, I’m not sure how good your nutrition is but you should be able to add some weight to all of your lifts by incorporating good nutrition throughout the day and specifically intraworkout. I have increased all of my lifts from using Plazma.

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[quote]Uncreative123 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

Here’s a pic. And a friend had suggested using Triptorelin (I believe?) afterwards for PCT. He knows his stuff, has done a lot of research. NPC BB’er. He said it had to be done IM and only takes one shot but brings you back to normal levels straight away. Thoughts?

Also he really suggested cutting down my sodium intake and that could be one of the biggest reasons I appear to be retaining so much water and not near as lean as I actually am. That would also negate the need for dieuretics. He said he personally doesn’t go above 1200mg when getting ready, I think 15-1800 would be more realistic for me…as mine is usually well over 3000mg/day.

I’m getting ready to cut down another 100/cal for the week so I’ll be around 2350cal/day. I know I still have some serious fat to lose.

[/quote]

You look leaner and drier. I’m not sure about using the triptorelin for pct, I’ve never used it myself and heard mixed reviews about it. I’ve always just gone with a conventional pct because I know it works. Peptides are a hit and miss.

As for your sodium, it’s a very tricky thing. If you cut it too much you’ll come in flat as hell. You can lower it a little bit and see how your body responds, but I wouldn’t mess with it too much because it can fuck with your electrolyte balance and lead to cramping, no pump in the workout and a general overall shitty feeling. Just be very careful. It’s hard to put a number on how much you can cut, everyone is different so you need to find out what works for you. Before so close before a show it isn’t the best time to be experiment.

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[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:
What would you recommend as a first cycle for someone willing to see how would the substances work on his body?

Would a 1 compound, oral only be worth it at all?[/quote]

It really depends on the situation. This is extremely general, in some cases this could work but please give me more details if it’s something you are wanting to try for yourself.
[/quote]

I thought interesting the idea of running 1 compound only for the first cycle to see how the body would respond to that, instead of mixing several and now knowing exactly how the body responds to each one of them.

I had mild gyno when entering puberty (natural reasons) and that’s why I am a bit concernet with test before I really know how the body would respond to different compounds.

I had a look into a Anavar only cycle but I found mixed opinions around. Some say it’s really great and work wonders and some others say it’s silly and stupid to ever run something without test. It got me interested especially that it’s said to help a lot with hardness, strenght and also a little on the side of fat burning.

I asked previously if a 1 compound only cycle would be any worth it cause I’ve already heard before that you should look to take as much as you can out of your first cycle so you can use the full potential of your receptors since you’ve never used anything before.

I am not really looking to get massive and gain tons of weight, just a dry and harder look and mostly lean gains.

Cheers.
[/quote]

A one compound cycle can work, it’s not the optimal choice but it will definitely give you results. Only try this is you are under 10% bodyfat otherwise you won’t see any significant gains, the hard and lean look will be more profound if you are starting with a low bf level.

Because you’ve had problems in the past with gyno, I would keep nolva and HCG on hand incase you get shut down (which is unlikely but still possible). Your best options for an oral only cycle would be anavar, tbol or winstrol. You don’t HAVE to run test with everything, it probably a good idea but you’ll get results without it.

I would never recommend anyone to do an all out full blown first cycle, it’s dangerous and stupid. It won’t give you as much as you think. The body responds better to gradual change.
[/quote]
Thanks for the answer.

Going with Anavar, what would be the minimum dose for it to start working and what would be the maximum recommended dose for someone trying it for the first time? As well as the length of the cycle?

How long of a PCT would be needed, what ideally would be used (nolva and hcg only?) and the dosages?

In case I get shutdown and start getting issues with gyno, ideally should I stop the compound and start Nolva/HCG or shouldn’t I stop it abruptly, and start the Nolva/HCG while still on cycle?

Would you recommend any liver protection?

I’m trying to get all bases covered and gather some information before, instead of just jumping into it and then having to look for answers for the problems when they’ve already started to manifest.

Thanks a lot again.[/quote]

Week 1-2 40mg/day
Week 3-4 60mg/day
Week 5-8 80mg/day

40 would be considered a minimum dose to see any effect for a guy and 60 would be considered average. 80-100mg is the highest I’d go… It depends on the quality of the anavar, if it’s good then 80 would be more than enough. 8 weeks is a good time for a first cycle.

Pct should be around 4 weeks (you might not even need it) 250iu 2x/week and clomid @ 50mg for 4 weeks.

If you start getting gyno issues, don’t just stop the cycle abruptly. I would hop on nolvadex @20mg/day. It’s very doubtful that this would happen but you can go up to 40mg/day if needed.

For liver protection 600mg of NAC everyday[/quote]
I didn’t understand quite well some stuff if you don’t mind explaining it again.

“Pct should be around 4 weeks (you might not even need it) 250iu 2x/week and clomid @ 50mg for 4 weeks.”

Clomid every day for 4 weeks and then 250iu of what twice a week and twice a week when? Something like Monday/friday or what?

Nolvadex ONLY in case I get shut down?

What about the HCG?

So in the end I should have all 3 compounds in hands? HCG, Nolvadex and Clomid?

Thanks a lot again.
[/quote]

When you finish your anavar cycle do blood tests and if everything is fine you don’t need a pct, but if you are shut down or feeling negative side effects from the cycle then do the 4 week pct of 250iu of HCG Monday and Friday for example and clomid for 4 weeks @50mg everyday (the HCG and clomid are running together for the 4weeks)

You will only use nolvadex if gyno symptoms are occurring throughout the cycle. You should have all of the compounds before you start the cycle just incase.
[/quote]
Since you mentioned blood tests, I’ve been planing to do a check up soon. Could you list what tests are the most important for someone to have frequently checked when having a complete check-up (liver, kidneys, cholesterol, blood glucose, etc)? If you don’t mind listing them in an order of importance would be great.[/quote]

They’re all important but here’s a list: get a chemistry panel and a CBC blood test but pay attention to liver and kidney function, prolactin levels, test levels, igf-1 levels, cholesterol levels specifically.

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[quote]JAB812 wrote:
Shadow Pro,

First, thank you for the time and help you are providing. I’ve been following the entire thread and have learned a lot, but have SO much still to learn. Up until this point I have competed and trained naturally but am looking to take it to the next level as I feel my experience is now ready to support that desire. I’m 29, 6’0", 197lbs, 11 years dedicated training, BS in exercise science, competed in 5 shows, I’m 13lbs over my last contest 10 weeks ago. Four days ago I got blood work done (lipid and metabolic panels) to see where I stand. I’m curious to what you think of my results and whether this would be a bad idea for me or not. FYI, my lipid profile has always been “abnormal” by current medical standards. I wouldn’t necessarily agree however from what I’ve read, but that’s another story. Elevated LDL runs in my family, however there has not been premature death/complications of heart disease despite.

Total Cholesterol…353mg/dl
HDL…59mg/dl
LDL…274mg/dl
Cholesterol/HDL ratio…6.0
Triglycerides…101mg/dl

Only results out of normal range for my metabolic panel was…
AST…63 U/L
ALT…49 U/L
I was told by a trustworthy source that the elevated liver enzymes is perfectly normal for someone that strenuously trains on a regular basis.

Current diet:
Training days…2,819cal/297g PRO/ 239g CHO/ 75g FAT.
Non-training days…2551cal/277g PRO/ 102g CHO/ 115g FAT.
1-2 cheat meals per week.

PRO sources: chicken breast, grass fed beef, eggs, salmon, whey iso
CHO sources: oatmeal, sweet potatoes, jasmine rice, veggies, cream of wheat,
cyclic dextrins
FAT’s (other than protein sources): avocado, coconut oil, almonds, nut
butter
Current Training:
Up to 6days/week now with weights.
3-4 sessions 30min steady state cardio on treadmill per week.

Other pertinent info/concerns:
I most definitely suffer from gyno - Ive had it since a child and have no idea what it actually came from.
I’m assuming with my current lipid profile that orals are probably not a good idea.

Any other information you may need just ask, I tried my best to include everything I thought you’d need to make your best recommendation. I did attach photo’s so if they don’t show I will repost them again.

Thank you for your time![/quote]

Great post and thanks you for posting photos!

You are looking very good for a natural dude and you seem to know your shit so I see no issue if you want to start now. Your blood tests aren’t great but they aren’t as bad as the doctors are leading you to believe. I agree with your source that elevated levels of AST and ALT is completely normal for something who training hard… Mine are higher than and I’m healthy in every aspect.

Let’s start something simple, like this:
Test-e 500mg/week
Mast-e 400mg/week
Nolvadex 20mg/day (since you have a tendency for gyno we will start higher)
HCG 250iu 2x/week

This is a very basic and simple cycle that will give you nice size gains from the test and it’ll keep you hard and lean with the masteron. The nolvadex will be used as a precaution and the HCG will keep your balls functioning.

As for your diet, I would start incorporating hydrolyzed casein(MAG-10) as a protein source and use it at least 2x/day. Post workout and before bed, it will make your body much more responsive to protein and with the extra protein synthesis from the juice it will give you a big boost. Instead of the HBCD, use the Plazma because it’s a mix of the HBCD and hydrolyzed casein as well as some other ingredients that are specific to this brand and use it intraworkout while you train… You’ll be thanking me for this after you try it.

Everything else looks pretty good to me, and with these recommendations you will be adding lean mass pretty quickly… You’re in a good starting point.

Keep me posted. I’m here for any other questions you have.

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[quote]justchillin wrote:
Awesome!

Kinda a noob question, but what are the main differences between lean mass gain and straight mass gain? Is it just the amount of water I’ll hold? Is one better than the I her for gaining overall size or are they relatively the same just one holds more water?[/quote]

You’re quite right, the difference is mostly in water retention and of course in your diet. When you are trying to gain lean mass you keep your calories surplus very minimal, just enough to grow a little bit and use short esters. When you are trying for an all out gaining cycle your calorie surplus will be bigger and mostly using long esters with higher dosages.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Sincl@r wrote:
Hi Shadow, currently dieting on 250 test e, 400 primo and 300 tren a, no gh or insulin.
In your experience, what works best with tren in a diet to get ripped and get/stay full, perhaps even gain a couple of pounds:
�° high protein - high carb - verly low fat (< 40)
�° high protein - medium carb - medium fat

I’m 250-300kcals under maintenance, also carb cycling like you suggested earlier, 200 carbs on workout days, 100 on resting days.

I know everyone is different, but I’ve read that tren loves carbs, even when dieting. Could you maybe enlighten us a bit on this matter.

All my respect to you and good luck with your diet, hope you get spot on at the Olympia![/quote]

Absolutely, 100% option #1 High protein, high carb, low fat

Since you are only doing 200g of carbs on your workout days, make sure that at least 100g of them come from Plazma intraworkout. This combined with the tren will give you insane strength and pump. One of the reasons that carbs are so great with tren is because you are getting very strong and aggressive in the gym while you’re on it so you can train longer and harder allowing your body to utilize more carbs and this where the Plazma comes into place.

If you don’t give your body the “fuel” for the tren to utilize to increase the strength and aggressiveness in the gym it will be less beneficial and your overall results won’t be as prominent… With the introduction of Plazma you will ensure that your body is getting it’s nutritional needs for training. On tren your body is like a Ferrari so you want to give it the best fuel possible!

[/quote]

Thank you for your reply.

My diet is clean, maybe too clean on tren.
I eat all my carbs around my workout, as suggested.
In the morning I have bambix (sort of cream of rice) with eggwhites, blueberries, whey and peanutbutter.
Preworkout
Intraworkout (no Plazma yet, Gaspari’s Glycofuse with Peptopro…)
Post white rice, chicken and spinach.
3 x tilapia with broccoli or spinach and almonds.
Pre bed eggwhites, some greek yoghurt and half tbs peanutbutter.

Out of my head, 2300kcal - 260 P - 200 C - 45 F
Resting days, 2000kcal - 245 P - 100 C - 55 F

Underneath an example of someone with a different kind of dieting ap

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Sincl@r wrote:
Hi Shadow, currently dieting on 250 test e, 400 primo and 300 tren a, no gh or insulin.
In your experience, what works best with tren in a diet to get ripped and get/stay full, perhaps even gain a couple of pounds:
�° high protein - high carb - verly low fat (< 40)
�° high protein - medium carb - medium fat

I’m 250-300kcals under maintenance, also carb cycling like you suggested earlier, 200 carbs on workout days, 100 on resting days.

I know everyone is different, but I’ve read that tren loves carbs, even when dieting. Could you maybe enlighten us a bit on this matter.

All my respect to you and good luck with your diet, hope you get spot on at the Olympia![/quote]

Absolutely, 100% option #1 High protein, high carb, low fat

Since you are only doing 200g of carbs on your workout days, make sure that at least 100g of them come from Plazma intraworkout. This combined with the tren will give you insane strength and pump. One of the reasons that carbs are so great with tren is because you are getting very strong and aggressive in the gym while you’re on it so you can train longer and harder allowing your body to utilize more carbs and this where the Plazma comes into place.

If you don’t give your body the “fuel” for the tren to utilize to increase the strength and aggressiveness in the gym it will be less beneficial and your overall results won’t be as prominent… With the introduction of Plazma you will ensure that your body is getting it’s nutritional needs for training. On tren your body is like a Ferrari so you want to give it the best fuel possible!

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Thank you for your reply.

My diet is clean, maybe too clean on tren.
I eat all my carbs around my workout, as suggested.
In the morning I have bambix (sort of cream of rice) with eggwhites, blueberries, whey and peanutbutter.
Preworkout
Intraworkout (no Plazma yet, Gaspari’s Glycofuse with Peptopro…)
Post white rice, chicken and spinach.
3 x tilapia with broccoli or spinach and almonds.
Pre bed eggwhites, some greek yoghurt and half tbs peanutbutter.

Out of my head, 2300kcal - 260 P - 200 C - 45 F
Resting days, 2000kcal - 245 P - 100 C - 55 F

Underneath an example of someone with a different kind of dieting approach on tren:

Id start my day with 250g egg whites + 1 yolk, 20g organic set honey, 100g blueberries and 100g honey cornflakes (sugars) with 300g lactose free milk.

25g Protein (chicken or fish), 100g pineapple, 100g banana, 300g sweet potato

25g Protein (chicken or fish), 100g pineapple, 100g banana, 300g sweet potato

25g Protein (chicken or fish), caramel rice cakes (40g carbs), 40g raisins

60g intrawork out drink, usually some sort of fruit juice mixed with a little cold water

Post workout a mix of protein, varies, usually steak and fish or something, then something sugary like sugary cereal, cheesecake, pop tarts etc along with something lower GI like rice a little while after

Before bed a small amount of protein, little fat (5g or so) and something like jam on toast (as odd as this might sound).

Wake up leaner and fuller. If i swapped all the sugars for low GI carbs i won’t be as full and i don’t lean out as fast. It’s very odd but it seems thats how tren works (with me atleast). This would be 600-650g of carbs, sometimes more.

Can you give your opinion please, should I try and experiment like this or wouldn’t it be something you recommend?

982

Hi shadow. I know earlier you mentioned that you prefer carbs in over fats, but you also mentioned that on off days carb intake should be reduced by a fair amount. So my question is, during the off-season on off days I’ll be reducing my carb intake. Though by doing so I’ll have a hard time consuming as much as calories as I should.

So, how do I obtain the remaining calories on off days to reach my total caloric intake? Should the extra calories come from fats or more carbs? Would this also apply during a cut as well? Assuming I am 200-300 calories short and have consumed my carbs/proteins per day, it fine to consume fats to reach my total calories per day?

  1. During this off-season I plan on using Test E and Tren E to bulk. This is my favourite stack. Do you think I am better off using 500mg Tren E/Week + 1500mg Test E/week or do you think it’s wiser to keep Tren E at 500mg/Week, drop Test E to 1000mg/Week and add EQ to the stack? I’ve used EQ in the past at 600mg/week, but it doesn’t seem to do too much aside from increase vascularity and appetite. Would would you say the sweetspot is for EQ to get its full benefits? Also would you say 500mg Tren E/Week during the off-season is a sufficient dose?

3.For someone that weights 240-245lbs in the off-season at 6’0 what dose of humalog would you suggest pre-work out? I’ve used 7-15IU in the past. I’ve heard of guys going up to 20IU and I’ve heard of guys saying anything over 10IU will add too much fat. In your opinion, is the dose of Humalog used dependent on the user’s muscle mass/weight? Or could say a 240lbs athlete use as much as a 200lbs athlete and still have the same benefits?

In general, what would you say is the sweetspot in order to receive significant benefits, without adding too much fat. I am personally thinking of sticking at 10IU pre-work out and maybe going up to 12IU if I go past 250? Still not sure if I should increase the dose as I get heavier or not.

On a side, I know that it’s not wise to consume fats for 4 hours after Humalog is administrated in order to avoid fat gains. Do you think fats should be avoided 30 minutes-60 minutes before Humalog is taken as well? I am just thinking that if a person has ingested fats shortly before Humalog is administrated, then those fats could lead to fat gains as well. What’s your take on this?

983

thanks man i really appreciate it.

984

Sir, will you please outline your final week of contest prep? Do you deplete and Carb-load? You mentioned sodium manipulation as well as diuretics are tricky, but please outline how much water you drinking leading up to contest day.

I am 2 weeks out from a men’s physique show. Doing my previous venture I took bad advice and drank distilled water for the final week, starting at 3 gallons per day and finally on day prior to event I drank one gallon of mineral water. I snagged second pace BUT I came in a little flat and I felt AWFUL for the final few days. The day after the show I pigged out, gained ten lbs overnights and suffered from severe edema in my legs, feet and ankles for over a week.

Thanks in advance for your cutting edge info as the advice I receive was “so eighties!”