Q&A with Shadow Pro

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[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

This cycle looks much better, you can bump up the tren to 400mg/week. I would do a pyramid with the dbol, something like 20,30,40,50,60,70,80 and stay on 80for 2 weeks. Also add to your cycle 20mg of nolvadex everyday and 250iu HCG every 3rd day.

  1. As for the insulin. Use Humalog only, you can start with 5iu and slowly bump it up to 10iu and possibly 12. You can do this on your weak body part days or on every training day, you won’t get diabetic from these dosages and when you use it with Plazma you will have significant gains and get an insane pump everytime you use it.

  2. Drink the Plazma throughout the whole workout. As long as you keep putting carbs in your body you won’t go hypo. If for some reason you are going hypo (there is no reason why this should happen) but IF it does, add another scoop of Plazma to your drink.

  3. After the workout you can have 1.5 servings of MAG-10 (hydrolyzed casein) and 30min after this you can have a regular meal consisting of clean carbs and protein. The hydrolyzed casein will help your body become more hyper responsive to protein.

  4. Don’t know too many guys over that way, you can check out a dude named Nathan Harmon. He’s a very good prep coach with a lot of knowledge and can lead you on the right track. He won’t necessarily give you the same ideas as I give you but if you hire him, listen to him 100%… There’s a lot of ways to “skin a cat” so if you are paying good money for someone you might as well use their way.
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Thanks for all your help. :slight_smile:

Dont know if you have mentioned it, but why do you do Nolva and hcg during your cycle?

Ive always done Nolva and hcg after the cycle. Currently doing adex and b6 (does the trick for me) While im on. [/quote]

He’s answered this at least once on each page of this thread including this one.

Everyone should read the thread before asking questions that seem simple, chances are he has already addressed them several times.

If we want Shadow to keep answering our questions, it would be beneficial to avoid as many repeats and moronic questions as possible.

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Hey Shadow, thanks for the earlier advice. Getting my diet in check and will report back in a few months.

Side question: If one has nagging injuries like tendonitis, etc. would a one month use of say 4 iu HGH ed help alleviate and heal those injuries? And if they were hypothetically to alleviate those injuries, would it be a permanent healing until the joint was injured again, or does the HGH just sort of mask the joint pain.

Thanks for your time!

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Hey!

First of all I’d like to thank you for your time and all the information you gave in this topic. I would also like to apologize in advance for all the grammar and syntax errors in my message, French is my first language.

I’m 24 years old, 5’11 and 180 pounds. I’m not sure about my bf% but I’m most likely around 10%. I’ll attach a picture to this message if you’d like to guess it for me. I’m currently starting the 6th week of this cycle :

  • 1-14 : 250mg test enanthate EW
  • 1-14 : 600mg tren enanthate EW
  • 8-14 : 50mg winstrol ED

I might also add 400mg masteron enanthate for the last 6 weeks. Would it be a good idea or would it be useless?

It’s my first cutting cycle, I’m not competing yet but I wanted to try those compounds to see how my body react to them. I’d like to compete in men physic but I think I’m not big enough for that yet. How big and how conditioned are the men physic competitors?

I’m currently eating approximately 2300 calories per day. I’ve been at 180 pounds for a couple of week but I’ve been dropping a lot of fat. This is my current diet on paper :

Breakfast (209 calories 32c 2f 18p) :

  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt

Meal 1 (388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Meal 2 (321 calories 38c 2f 37p) :

  • 100g cooked chicken breast
  • 1/2cup white rice
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Pre-workout meal (265 calories 47c 6f 8p) :

  • 85g elbow macaroni
  • 1 tsp olive oil
  • 4 olives
  • sliced onions

Intra-workout :

  • BCAA
  • 2-3 rice cakes (Sometime I eat them in the locker room before hitting the iron) : 105 calories 21c 0f 3p

Post-workout (240 calories 30c 2.5f 24p):

  • 60g whey
  • 30g maltodextrin
  • 5g glutamine

Post-workout meal (30-60minutes after workout)(388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Night snack (226 calories 33c 1f 19p) :

  • 1cup raw spinach
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt
  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal

Pre-bed (127 calories 2c 2.5f 24p)

  • 60g whey
  • 5g glutamine
  • 1.25g ashwagandha

For a total of :

  • 2259 calories
  • 268g carbs
  • 23g fats
  • 244g proteins

Am I eating too low fats? Is it normal that I get a lot of “carb rages” during the day? Sometime I feel I can’t function correctly until I eat a bowl of cereal ahah.

I’d like some critics on my physic if possible.

I took this picture last friday.

Thank you in advance!

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Here’s another picture I took 5 days ago.

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What do you think of “rebounds” after hard cuts?

I.E. cutting down to 7-8% BF, then instantly upping calories a good bit to pack on good weight? How would you go about doing it? (Knowing every situation is different).

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hows it going chief? planing my next cycle… currently in the last week of a test and winny cycle, have been running 500mg of test weekly (15 weeks)50mg of winny a day for the final 7 weeks, next cycle was planing on running the same but adding hgh, is this a good combination or should i change the winny?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

thanks man i foolow pro bodybuilding since i was 18 back in 1998,i actually start reading musclemag ,at that time was a great mag

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Hi Shadow pro,first of all thank you very much for you’re time and honesty,I’ts very educative!

I have a few Q’s that i really wanted 2 ask a expert.

1: I’m 23 years old,24 in august,now 8 month b-c,currenly cruising on 250 T 500hcg/week 10 nolva.
I have a contest end november,I’m gonna start my prep/blast end july,after the contest should I do a BIG PCT for health/recovery sake OR
cruise 12 weeks …and…

2:Kinda Like Q1,i juiced for like a year,is it not better 2 stay 4 ever on test ? I mean we love this lifestyle,If I come of I lose 60% of my gains and be fat/skinny (serious,fucked up genetics lol)

3:If I do morning cardio before breakfast (taking bcaa-fatburners) Can I eat whole eggs (fats) and a apple (sugar) with my oats and eggwhites,I dont want 2 shuttle down my fatburn activity…and then same question postworkout shake,I read you are HUGE on Plazma,IF I do cardio

after my heavy duty training pre contest should I use dextrose/Plazma/vitargo 30-40gr in my shake allong with whey-crea-bcaa or is that going 2 stop my fatburn ? (I do HIIT cardio) and the meal after this should it conclude any type of healty fats?

4: I like to take slin pre workout and post workout 4iu/4iu,if I train and do my cardio post workout is it possible to take 4 iu slin after the cardio
and do my shake ( whey/sugars) its stops fat burning logicly?

Sorry for the noob questions bro…kinda embarissing lol
Greetz from Belgium!

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[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
SP greetings from Brazil!

As you can see this is my first post… IÃ???Ã???Ã??Ã?´ve been following T NATION since 2002 and I have read lots of topics in the FORUMS area…
This one is by far the most interesting ever! After reading all 28 pages I decided to participate and ask your opinion about what I�??�??�?�´ve been doing.
Thank you for your attention in advance!

STATS:
6,13 inches (1,87 centimeters)
211 pounds (96 kilos)
38 years old
10% bf (right now I look like my avatar)
15 years of solid training

When I was 26 I ran my first cycle… I went to a doctor and did everything exactly as he asked… After a year I ran another cycle and from there I started to run 2 cycles every year… always following this doctor’s advice… After seven years I reached my max weight which was 111 kilos (245 pounds)… after that I tried to increase my doses and drugs trying to break this plateau… I only got side effects from that… so I figured I must have reached my limit or something… It is true that back then I didn’t have half of my knowledge about nutrition and training that I have now… Interesting to note that when I finish a cycle I always had my weight dropping near 101 kilos (222 pounds)… even doing the proper PCT and using quality supplements.

When I turned 33 and after having all my blood work fine I decided to run some durateston (test blend just like sustanon) for weeks (250mg/week)… I kept myself with this for a year and a half!! Sometimes I gave a 3-4 weeks break and throw some CLOMID and NOLVA to ?send? some sign to my body produce some test itself… sometimes I ran some HCG… I was feeling pretty good … weight around 101 (222) bf around 8%… not major side effects…

Then I decided to get married and have a kid… first thing was to make a sperm count exam… the result was bad… very bad… I had zero live sperm… my boys were all dead…
I went to some fertility doctors but none of them could help me… I tried to keep my weight so I started to drink Weight Gainers and eat like a motherfucker… that was a total disaster! I indeed kept my weight… but my belly was HUGE! My bf should be around 20% by that time…
My sperm returned to normal values AFTER 18 MONTHS ! So in my case fertility was an issue! I read you saying about bodybuilders having kids ON GEAR and that only show me how individual side effects and predisposition can be.

After 3 years clean I now started a ?new protocol? I developed and the main reason for this post is to ask your opinion about that.

HERE IT GOES:
I ran 140 mg of TEST-C/week for 10 weeks… one shot every fifth day (around 70 mg each) and took 25mg of CLOMID everyday to prevent any shutdown of my HPTA
I did blood work before, during and last week when I stopped the TEST. My testosterone went from 400 to 850… FSH, LH kept near the same numbers during all 10 weeks… and most important, my sperm count remains the same!
In terms of results I got say that I have the same condition now (if not better) if compare when I was taking 250mg test/week… just a little lighter (right now I am 96 kilos/211 pounds).
I plan on start this next Monday to keep my gains to the max:

5gr of DAA
Alpha Male (a friend brought me from his trip to USA)
10mg of NOLVA (my intention with it is to help with my test levels)
I would do this for 4 weeks and then be back to the TEST+CLOMID protocol
What do you think about that?
I read that CLOMID can cause some vision related side effects if used for prolonged time… thatÃ???Ã???Ã??Ã?´s why I thought about giving it out for some time. Have you heard about some sides from CLOMID?
I am also considering using some HUMALOG pre wkt (like you mentioned) with my intraworkout drink … since I have never use it and bf is low, I thought it will give me some nice results… what do you think?

I appreciate the help
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Sorry to hear about your fertility issues, as I mentioned it can vary drastically from one person to another. Some people are completely fine while others can have disastrous issues and unfortunately this happened to you.

The cycle and pct you did looks great to me. I don’t see any issues with the clomid but it’s not a bad idea to cycle on and off of it 4 weeks at a time especially if you’re using AlphaMale and nolva while you’re not on it. If your bodyfat is nice and low you can definitely give the Humalog a chance for preworkout, and if you can combine it with Plazma that will be your best option. Start low at 5iu preworkout and as long and you don’t gain any fat (water retention is fine) you can bump it up 5iu every week and bump up carbs accordingly.
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Thanks for your input Shadow!
Quick questions regarding the advice you gave me and some other not related with my goals…

  1. You told me that if my bodyfat is nice and low I could definitely give the Humalog a chance for preworkout… starting at 5IU and as long I don’t gain any fat (water retention is fine) I could bump it up 5iu every week (bump up carbs accordingly)

But for another Forum Member (juggies) you said Ã??Ã?¢??I wouldn’t take insulin without the GH, it will help with muscle gains but can also put you at risk to gain a lot of fatÃ??Ã?¢??.
I understand that the response is very individual, but since I don�??�?�´t have cash now to buy some GH, how could I control this fat gain? Is it still worth it even only with the HUMALOG?

  1. In this same post you said that Insulin(HUMALOG)should be shot IM… I am sorry if this is NEW only for me, but I thought I should take it Subq just like GH… what kind of needle I would have to use? Same as I use for pin my TEST?

  2. Do you have any flatulence disorders? I mean, I do and it really bothers my wife… I wonder if others suffer from the same problem… I tried some simethicone but it didnÃ???Ã??Ã?´t help at all… any thoughts?

  3. Do you like other sports besides bodybuilding? I mean, practicing or just watching… I am asking you that because we are having the World Cup here in Brazil and there are a lot of americans supporting your National Soccer Team arround!

  4. Who is your favorite bodybuilder from all time? How about your favorite Mr.Olympia from all time?[/quote]

  5. The recommendation is very individual and you look relatively lean in your avatar, so I would say 5iu is pretty safe to try without gaining fat as long as you have your diet together. Obviously it would work better with GH but if you are under 8% bf and you are trying to gain mass, even if you add 1% bodyfat along with more muscle mass it would be worth it in a case like this. If your bodyfat is over 10% I wouldn’t use Humalog without GH. If you are under 10% it’s worth a try. If you are experiencing fat gain just stop using the insulin, you should be able to assess this after 2 weeks of use.

2.you should use Humalog IM, just use a regular insulin pin that you use for GH. Pick an area where you have the least bodyfat so you will insure that you are hitting the muscle. The reason for doing it IM is to make sure it’s in and out of your system as fast as possible.

  1. No I don’t have any problem with this. I think all bodybuilders have a little bit of a problem to an extent due to the excess food and high protein diet. Tell your wife to suck it up! Haha. On a serious note, I could be some type of food allergy.

  2. I like to watch the NBA and I also like to watch all of the Olympic sports as well, mostly track and field. I am not a huge fan of soccer but if I’ll watch a soccer game it would only be when Brazil is playing. I am a fan of other iron sports as well, I like to follow powerlifting, weightlifting and strongman.

  3. Ronnie Coleman for both. I think he was ahead of his time and no one will get to this level for years, he’s one of the strongest bodybuilders ever, trains like a maniac and he’s huge… Makes everyone else look like babies. Jay Cutler is a great representative for the sport, he’s an all around good guy. Your Brazilian brother Eduardo Correa is one of my top picks for a 212 competitor he doesn’t get the respect he deserves placing wise, he brings insane conditioning every time and has a great physique.
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Thanks again for all the info Shadow!

It is been a week since I started to use NOLVA (10mg/day) Alpha Male (4 tablets/day) DAA (5gr/day) and I am really satisfied with the results… I managed to keep my bf low and muscle mass gained with the TEST C (140mg/week) and CLOMID (25mg/day).
Got tell you Alpha Male surprised me in a good way… libido is high and energy too… it does not even seem I stoped with the TEST C… best Test Booster I have ever tried!

My plan is to keep it for 3 more weeks trying to lower my bf a little more (around 7% would be ideal). Below is the diet I am following right know… Would you please give me your thoughts about it and suggest what should I change when I start with TEST C, CLOMID n HUMALOG?

10:30 AM

7oz Chicken breast
7oz Brown rice
2gr Omega-3
5gr DAA
10mg Nolva
2 tablets Alpha Male
2gr HMB
3 tablets Multivitamin and minerals (manipulated formula for my needs)

1:00 PM

PRE WORKOUT
1 scoop Pre Workout (currently I am using Launch from SAN)
INTRA WORKOUT
1 serving of Plazma
RIGHT AFTER MY WORKOUT
2 scoops of Dark Matter
1gr HMB

2:30 PM

2 scoops of Hydrowhey from OPTIMUM
2gr Omega-3

3:30 PM

5.30oz Sweet Potato
5.30oz Chicken Breast
2 tablets Alpha Male

6:30 PM

7oz Ground beef
7oz Brown rice
2 scrambled eggs

9:30 PM

1 banana
3.50oz Oats
4 Brazilian nuts
2 scoops of Syntha-6

1:00 AM

5.30oz Sweet Potato
5.30oz Chicken Breast
Green Salad
1gr HMB

I train 6 days a week and usually have my day off on Saturday where I eat half the carbs of the other days and I do not take Plazma and Dark Matter.
I wish I could use more Plazma Intraworkout, but Biotest does not deliver to Brazil and I depend on friends send it for me from the US. I even sent another e-mail last week asking if something has changed regarding the shipping to Brazil and I am still waiting for an answer.

I coach people from 11AM until 11PM, I am an ecto and really feel I need my carbs to sustain my energy during my classes. I attached some pictures to help you to evaluate.[/quote]

Yes, the Alpha Male is hands down the best test booster I’ve ever used. When I do my 2-3 months off I always take this. This is again one of the main reasons I’m writing on these board and not elsewhere because this company is offering quality supplements that are helping people rather than most of the other shit out there.

Here’s what I would change in your current diet:
-more carbs intraworkout, up Plazma here and cut carbs from other meals
-increase protein meals to about 8oz/meal (50g)
-change post workout shake to 2 servings of MAG-10 and then eat a solid meal 30min later, the MAG-10will make your body hyper responsive to the protein you consume.

-you don’t need the banana so late after the workout, so drop this and the syntha-6… Change this to 2 servings MAG-10. I know the syntha6 tastes good but you are trying to cut so you have no room for it in the diet.

-if you need energy throughout the day because of your work, drink MAG-10 throughout the day between clients. It’s an excellent protein source and has enough carbs to keep you going.

When you start Humalog and test-c you need to slowly bump up your carbs. You can try adding about 25g if carbs every 3rd day and pay attention to fat gains so if you notice anything then increase the carbs every 5 days instead until you reach your off season macros. Also, bump up the protein by about 10-15% gradually because you can absorb more protein when you’re on gear.

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[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi shadow. What’s your take on fat in take during off-season and also when cutting down?

Do you think it’s important to really limit fats when cutting? Or does it really not matter much as long as I am not exceeding my total caloric intake per day? What about the off-season? any reasons to really limit them? [/quote]

I am a big believer in carbs so my fat intake is very high. In my off season I’ll go to about 100g and then down to 50g when I’m dieting. It comes down to your daily macros, if you are doing high carbs you obviously need to limits the fat to keep in your range of macros but if your doing low carbs then your fat can be at a medium level.

If you’re good with carbs, I find it’s a better energy source than ketones but if you are very carb sensitive and don’t respond well to them then you can get a good amount of calories from fat while keeping your carbs low. I will usually try to slowly adjust people’s bodies to carbs, only if it doesn’t work at all then I will resort to fats as the main energy source… Most people just don’t know how to introduce carbs properly.

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[quote]tortellini3 wrote:
Is there any major differences between the underground Winstrol and the Winstrol-V (for animals) when used by a bodybuilder ?[/quote]

I find that the winstrol-v is a bit more potent but nothing major. Either way is fine!

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[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:
What would you recommend as a first cycle for someone willing to see how would the substances work on his body?

Would a 1 compound, oral only be worth it at all?[/quote]

It really depends on the situation. This is extremely general, in some cases this could work but please give me more details if it’s something you are wanting to try for yourself.
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I thought interesting the idea of running 1 compound only for the first cycle to see how the body would respond to that, instead of mixing several and now knowing exactly how the body responds to each one of them.

I had mild gyno when entering puberty (natural reasons) and that’s why I am a bit concernet with test before I really know how the body would respond to different compounds.

I had a look into a Anavar only cycle but I found mixed opinions around. Some say it’s really great and work wonders and some others say it’s silly and stupid to ever run something without test. It got me interested especially that it’s said to help a lot with hardness, strenght and also a little on the side of fat burning.

I asked previously if a 1 compound only cycle would be any worth it cause I’ve already heard before that you should look to take as much as you can out of your first cycle so you can use the full potential of your receptors since you’ve never used anything before.

I am not really looking to get massive and gain tons of weight, just a dry and harder look and mostly lean gains.

Cheers.
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A one compound cycle can work, it’s not the optimal choice but it will definitely give you results. Only try this is you are under 10% bodyfat otherwise you won’t see any significant gains, the hard and lean look will be more profound if you are starting with a low bf level.

Because you’ve had problems in the past with gyno, I would keep nolva and HCG on hand incase you get shut down (which is unlikely but still possible). Your best options for an oral only cycle would be anavar, tbol or winstrol. You don’t HAVE to run test with everything, it probably a good idea but you’ll get results without it.

I would never recommend anyone to do an all out full blown first cycle, it’s dangerous and stupid. It won’t give you as much as you think. The body responds better to gradual change.
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Thanks for the answer.

Going with Anavar, what would be the minimum dose for it to start working and what would be the maximum recommended dose for someone trying it for the first time? As well as the length of the cycle?

How long of a PCT would be needed, what ideally would be used (nolva and hcg only?) and the dosages?

In case I get shutdown and start getting issues with gyno, ideally should I stop the compound and start Nolva/HCG or shouldn’t I stop it abruptly, and start the Nolva/HCG while still on cycle?

Would you recommend any liver protection?

I’m trying to get all bases covered and gather some information before, instead of just jumping into it and then having to look for answers for the problems when they’ve already started to manifest.

Thanks a lot again.[/quote]

Week 1-2 40mg/day
Week 3-4 60mg/day
Week 5-8 80mg/day

40 would be considered a minimum dose to see any effect for a guy and 60 would be considered average. 80-100mg is the highest I’d go… It depends on the quality of the anavar, if it’s good then 80 would be more than enough. 8 weeks is a good time for a first cycle.

Pct should be around 4 weeks (you might not even need it) 250iu 2x/week and clomid @ 50mg for 4 weeks.

If you start getting gyno issues, don’t just stop the cycle abruptly. I would hop on nolvadex @20mg/day. It’s very doubtful that this would happen but you can go up to 40mg/day if needed.

For liver protection 600mg of NAC everyday[/quote]
I didn’t understand quite well some stuff if you don’t mind explaining it again.

“Pct should be around 4 weeks (you might not even need it) 250iu 2x/week and clomid @ 50mg for 4 weeks.”

Clomid every day for 4 weeks and then 250iu of what twice a week and twice a week when? Something like Monday/friday or what?

Nolvadex ONLY in case I get shut down?

What about the HCG?

So in the end I should have all 3 compounds in hands? HCG, Nolvadex and Clomid?

Thanks a lot again.
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When you finish your anavar cycle do blood tests and if everything is fine you don’t need a pct, but if you are shut down or feeling negative side effects from the cycle then do the 4 week pct of 250iu of HCG Monday and Friday for example and clomid for 4 weeks @50mg everyday (the HCG and clomid are running together for the 4weeks)

You will only use nolvadex if gyno symptoms are occurring throughout the cycle. You should have all of the compounds before you start the cycle just incase.

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Hi Shadow, currently dieting on 250 test e, 400 primo and 300 tren a, no gh or insulin.
In your experience, what works best with tren in a diet to get ripped and get/stay full, perhaps even gain a couple of pounds:
° high protein - high carb - verly low fat (< 40)
° high protein - medium carb - medium fat

I’m 250-300kcals under maintenance, also carb cycling like you suggested earlier, 200 carbs on workout days, 100 on resting days.

I know everyone is different, but I’ve read that tren loves carbs, even when dieting. Could you maybe enlighten us a bit on this matter.

All my respect to you and good luck with your diet, hope you get spot on at the Olympia!

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[quote]lonewolf999 wrote:
Hi Shadow Pro, I’ve been reading through this thread and its full of useful advice.
I am looking for some guidance about dosages and compounds to give me a men’s physique look year-round that doesn’t compromise my health.

Stats: 24 years old, 200lbs 8% bodyfat.

350lb Bench Press
500lb Squat
600lb Deadlift

Experience: Started at 20 years old following the time off = time on + pct using 500mg test-e/wk with an oral front load for my first three cycles. The past 2 years I have been experimenting with different compounds with limited time off (tren/deca/eq/masteron/winstrol/tbol) ranging from 700mg - 1800mg week.

I honestly didn’t notice much change going above 1000mg week and I’m confused as to what dosages/compounds to use given that the internet forums are full of people advising high dosages which I’ve stupidly followed in the past.
I would like to run a moderate cycle for 8-10 months of the year taking the rest of the year off that will allow me to maintain my current stats with low levels of water retention.

My diet is on point year round using a carb cycling approach and my training split is as follows:
Day 1: Upper Body
Day 2: Track Workout (200 metres, drills)
Day 3: Off
Day 4: Legs
Day 5: Upper Body
Day 6: Track Workout (100 metres, drills)
Day 7: Off

It would be great if you could advise me on designing a protocol for my goals, hopefully I’ve provided enough detail on my background to help with this.
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Seems like you’re an experienced user and seems to train seriously based on your numbers. I would suggest the following:
Tren-a 100mg eod
Mast-p 100mg eod OR primo @400mg/week(a good hardening drug)
Test-p 100mg eod
Or you can do 75mg everyday (better option if you don’t mind pinning everyday)
If you want to add an oral to this, you can. For example: winstrol @50mg/day or anavar @60mg/day
HCG 250iu every 3rd day and nolvadex @10-20mg everyday

I wouldn’t stay on this for more than 12-16weeks tops. If you want to stay on, just cruise at about 500mg of test-p. You could do this with long ester test but you mentioned that you don’t want a lot of water retention so this will work better. If you don’t mind a little water retention then tbol would also be a nice choice for an oral considering your goals.

Only use orals for 8 weeks and then take 8 weeks off. If you can post a picture I might be able to give you some more ideas. This is a general cycle for lean gains and a harder look.

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[quote]Dieseldave wrote:
Shadow pro

What’s your reason for pyramiding dbol? I had disregarded this idea but reconsidering since I’ve seen you advising it but I can’t think what the benefit would be…?[/quote]

Both systems will work fine. I just think the pyramid works better from personal experiences because every time the dosage is bumped up I see an increase in strength and size… Nothing major, but every little thing helps and I like to see continual progress.

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[quote]mati96 wrote:
Hey shadow pro, I am right now 17 years old but I have not trained really serious the last year because of an infection in my stomach, but then I am ready again I would really appreciate some help. I am right now about 170 pounds by 14 % body fat, first of all I will lose some fat and drop down to about 8%. Next I will switch between bulking and cutting and it will look like

Diet

Bulk (5 weeks)
1 week: +300
2 week: +300
3 week: +200
4 week: +200
5 week: +100

Cut (3 weeks)
1 week: -100
2 week: -200
3 week: -400

  • and - are under and over maintance calories

*I will also do some sort of carb cycling

  • I will try to eat as clean as possible and keep my protein high

Training:

1 day: (Chest and Back)
Bench press 3 sets 5 reps
Incline bench press 3 sets 10 reps
Incline flyes 3 sets 20 reps

Deadlift 4 sets 5 reps
Rows 4 sets 10 reps
Pulldown 4 sets 20 reps

2 day: (Arms and Delt)
DB press 3 sets 8 reps
Side laterals 2 sets 15 reps
Rear delts 2 sets 30 reps

Barbell curl 3 sets 5 reps
DB curl 2 sets 10 reps
Pushdown 3 sets 10 reps
Reverse pushdown 2 sets 20 reps

3 day: (Chest and Back #2)
Bench pres 10 sets 10 reps
Bent over rows 10 sets 10 reps

4 day: (Legs)
Squat 5 sets 5 reps
Front squat 3 sets 20 reps
Romanian deadlift 5 sets 12 reps
Calves raises 3 sets 25 reps

  • I will also do about 30-60 min of cardio every day

Goal:
The goal is stay on stage in men? s physique

PED

When I will turn 23 years I will to start on PED, I know it is difficult for you to rate the cycle without knowing my body, but I just thought that you could tell me if it? s acceptable?

Bulk: (1-12 weeks)
Test E 100 mg /EW
Test P 50 mg /ED
Boldenone 100 mg/EW

HGH 4 iu

Novaldex 10 mcg

Cut: (1-8 weeks)
Sustanone 100 mg/EW
Trenbolone A 30 mg/ED
Masterone 200 mg/EW

Anavar 40 mg/ED
HGH 6 iu

Clen 40 mcg/ED

Novaldex 10 mcg

  • I Have a good idea how the pct should look like, so no help needed for that.

So I just wanted your opionen about my ?plan?[/quote]

First of all, you’re 17… And planning a cycle for 6 years in the future isn’t realistic, you shouldn’t worry about this right now. Concentrate on your diet and training at this point and leave these cycle ideas for later. It’s not something you can plan 6 years in advance because you don’t know where your body will be at that point.

As for dieting, it’s much more complex than over and under maintenance calories. I like that you are eager and trying to learn. First of all learn how to count your macros, find out if you are carb sensitive, figure out if you have any food allergies, experiment to see what the best protein sources are for you, learn about intraworkout nutrition and so on. It’s really nice to see that you are trying to make a plan but I can’t help you with a cycle that is so far in the future.

Start reading the articles and material on this site, you will learn so much about training, supplementation and nutrition. Instead on thinking about a cycle, spend your money on supplements that can help you.

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[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

This cycle looks much better, you can bump up the tren to 400mg/week. I would do a pyramid with the dbol, something like 20,30,40,50,60,70,80 and stay on 80for 2 weeks. Also add to your cycle 20mg of nolvadex everyday and 250iu HCG every 3rd day.

  1. As for the insulin. Use Humalog only, you can start with 5iu and slowly bump it up to 10iu and possibly 12. You can do this on your weak body part days or on every training day, you won’t get diabetic from these dosages and when you use it with Plazma you will have significant gains and get an insane pump everytime you use it.

  2. Drink the Plazma throughout the whole workout. As long as you keep putting carbs in your body you won’t go hypo. If for some reason you are going hypo (there is no reason why this should happen) but IF it does, add another scoop of Plazma to your drink.

  3. After the workout you can have 1.5 servings of MAG-10 (hydrolyzed casein) and 30min after this you can have a regular meal consisting of clean carbs and protein. The hydrolyzed casein will help your body become more hyper responsive to protein.

  4. Don’t know too many guys over that way, you can check out a dude named Nathan Harmon. He’s a very good prep coach with a lot of knowledge and can lead you on the right track. He won’t necessarily give you the same ideas as I give you but if you hire him, listen to him 100%… There’s a lot of ways to “skin a cat” so if you are paying good money for someone you might as well use their way.
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Thanks for all your help. :slight_smile:

Dont know if you have mentioned it, but why do you do Nolva and hcg during your cycle?

Ive always done Nolva and hcg after the cycle. Currently doing adex and b6 (does the trick for me) While im on. [/quote]

This answer has been beaten to death in this thread already. You can find the answer about 50times if you read back.

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[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:

[quote]Bling82 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

This cycle looks much better, you can bump up the tren to 400mg/week. I would do a pyramid with the dbol, something like 20,30,40,50,60,70,80 and stay on 80for 2 weeks. Also add to your cycle 20mg of nolvadex everyday and 250iu HCG every 3rd day.

  1. As for the insulin. Use Humalog only, you can start with 5iu and slowly bump it up to 10iu and possibly 12. You can do this on your weak body part days or on every training day, you won’t get diabetic from these dosages and when you use it with Plazma you will have significant gains and get an insane pump everytime you use it.

  2. Drink the Plazma throughout the whole workout. As long as you keep putting carbs in your body you won’t go hypo. If for some reason you are going hypo (there is no reason why this should happen) but IF it does, add another scoop of Plazma to your drink.

  3. After the workout you can have 1.5 servings of MAG-10 (hydrolyzed casein) and 30min after this you can have a regular meal consisting of clean carbs and protein. The hydrolyzed casein will help your body become more hyper responsive to protein.

  4. Don’t know too many guys over that way, you can check out a dude named Nathan Harmon. He’s a very good prep coach with a lot of knowledge and can lead you on the right track. He won’t necessarily give you the same ideas as I give you but if you hire him, listen to him 100%… There’s a lot of ways to “skin a cat” so if you are paying good money for someone you might as well use their way.
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Thanks for all your help. :slight_smile:

Dont know if you have mentioned it, but why do you do Nolva and hcg during your cycle?

Ive always done Nolva and hcg after the cycle. Currently doing adex and b6 (does the trick for me) While im on. [/quote]

He’s answered this at least once on each page of this thread including this one.

Everyone should read the thread before asking questions that seem simple, chances are he has already addressed them several times.

If we want Shadow to keep answering our questions, it would be beneficial to avoid as many repeats and moronic questions as possible.
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Thanks! People are trying to unleash the beast here!! Lol

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[quote]Jormugandr wrote:
Hey Shadow, thanks for the earlier advice. Getting my diet in check and will report back in a few months.

Side question: If one has nagging injuries like tendonitis, etc. would a one month use of say 4 iu HGH ed help alleviate and heal those injuries? And if they were hypothetically to alleviate those injuries, would it be a permanent healing until the joint was injured again, or does the HGH just sort of mask the joint pain.

Thanks for your time![/quote]

This is a good question. It will help to an extent but I’m not sure that one month would be long enough to eliminate the tendonitis completely. The differences are more profound with GH the longer you stay on it, so doing one month will be beneficial of course but doing 6 would be 6x better. GH does a bit of both, it’s masking injuries and healing them to some extent mainly because it’s increasing the bodies recovery rate so it’s hard to give a straight answer but I would definitely give it a shot if it were me.

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[quote]charnybrah wrote:
Hey!

First of all I’d like to thank you for your time and all the information you gave in this topic. I would also like to apologize in advance for all the grammar and syntax errors in my message, French is my first language.

I’m 24 years old, 5’11 and 180 pounds. I’m not sure about my bf% but I’m most likely around 10%. I’ll attach a picture to this message if you’d like to guess it for me. I’m currently starting the 6th week of this cycle :

  • 1-14 : 250mg test enanthate EW
  • 1-14 : 600mg tren enanthate EW
  • 8-14 : 50mg winstrol ED

I might also add 400mg masteron enanthate for the last 6 weeks. Would it be a good idea or would it be useless?

It’s my first cutting cycle, I’m not competing yet but I wanted to try those compounds to see how my body react to them. I’d like to compete in men physic but I think I’m not big enough for that yet. How big and how conditioned are the men physic competitors?

I’m currently eating approximately 2300 calories per day. I’ve been at 180 pounds for a couple of week but I’ve been dropping a lot of fat. This is my current diet on paper :

Breakfast (209 calories 32c 2f 18p) :

  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt

Meal 1 (388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Meal 2 (321 calories 38c 2f 37p) :

  • 100g cooked chicken breast
  • 1/2cup white rice
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Pre-workout meal (265 calories 47c 6f 8p) :

  • 85g elbow macaroni
  • 1 tsp olive oil
  • 4 olives
  • sliced onions

Intra-workout :

  • BCAA
  • 2-3 rice cakes (Sometime I eat them in the locker room before hitting the iron) : 105 calories 21c 0f 3p

Post-workout (240 calories 30c 2.5f 24p):

  • 60g whey
  • 30g maltodextrin
  • 5g glutamine

Post-workout meal (30-60minutes after workout)(388 calories 32.5c 3f 55.5p) :

  • 3x85g sole fillets
  • 150g baked sweet potato (sliced)
  • 1/8 egg white (I dip my sliced sweet potatoes in it before putting it in the oven)
  • 4 boiled asparagus

Night snack (226 calories 33c 1f 19p) :

  • 1cup raw spinach
  • 0.65cup fat-free greek yogurt
  • 60ml unsweetened vanilla almond milk
  • 2/3cup sunrise crunchy vanilla gluten free cereal

Pre-bed (127 calories 2c 2.5f 24p)

  • 60g whey
  • 5g glutamine
  • 1.25g ashwagandha

For a total of :

  • 2259 calories
  • 268g carbs
  • 23g fats
  • 244g proteins

Am I eating too low fats? Is it normal that I get a lot of “carb rages” during the day? Sometime I feel I can’t function correctly until I eat a bowl of cereal ahah.

I’d like some critics on my physic if possible.

I took this picture last friday.

Thank you in advance!
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Bonjour! Your English is fine my friend!

You’re closer to 7-8% bodyfat (not 10%)

Take into consideration that the leaner you are, the more carbs and calories in general you can eat. The reason you’re experiences these carb rages is because your general macros are just too low. A few things I would change immediately are:
-intraworkout nutrition, you need specific types and amounts of carbs and protein while you train… Best way to get it is from Plazma, nothing else will be close or comparable. Drink 2 servings intraworkout, this will give you better workouts, better recovery and better gains.(an extra 76g of carbs/day and 30g protein)
-increase fats to 50g/day… Consume them before bed and in your second meal
-increase protein to at least 300g/day… Add this from hydrolyzed casein (MAG-10) 1.5 servings post workout and first thing in the morning 30min before breakfast.
-try to get protein @ 50g/meal (approx.)

  • if you want to add masteron for 6 weeks, use masteron-prop not enanthate. That isn’t enough time to get results from a long ester. 100mg eod will do the trick and it’ll get you even harder and leaner than you are already.
  • I think you should increase your test dosage to at least a 1:1 ratio with your tren… So about 600mg/week. This is part of the reason why you feel like crap.

As for competing in men’s physique, you can definitely do this soon but you’ll have to add a little more size… Maybe about 3-4lbs of muscle at most. They are coming in around 5% bodyfat so you’re not that far off. Your weak point is your chest and you can also use a bit more size on your arms and shoulders.

Trust me, the Plazma will do wonders for your physique and your overall feeling. Get on these recommendations ASAP and let me know how you do.