Q&A with Shadow Pro

Pharma
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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Tadeu Personal wrote:
SP greetings from Brazil!

As you can see this is my first post… IÃ???Ã??Ã?´ve been following T NATION since 2002 and I have read lots of topics in the FORUMS area…
This one is by far the most interesting ever! After reading all 28 pages I decided to participate and ask your opinion about what I�??�?�´ve been doing.
Thank you for your attention in advance!

STATS:
6,13 inches (1,87 centimeters)
211 pounds (96 kilos)
38 years old
10% bf (right now I look like my avatar)
15 years of solid training

When I was 26 I ran my first cycle… I went to a doctor and did everything exactly as he asked… After a year I ran another cycle and from there I started to run 2 cycles every year… always following this doctor’s advice… After seven years I reached my max weight which was 111 kilos (245 pounds)… after that I tried to increase my doses and drugs trying to break this plateau… I only got side effects from that… so I figured I must have reached my limit or something… It is true that back then I didn’t have half of my knowledge about nutrition and training that I have now… Interesting to note that when I finish a cycle I always had my weight dropping near 101 kilos (222 pounds)… even doing the proper PCT and using quality supplements.

When I turned 33 and after having all my blood work fine I decided to run some durateston (test blend just like sustanon) for weeks (250mg/week)… I kept myself with this for a year and a half!! Sometimes I gave a 3-4 weeks break and throw some CLOMID and NOLVA to ?send? some sign to my body produce some test itself… sometimes I ran some HCG… I was feeling pretty good … weight around 101 (222) bf around 8%… not major side effects…

Then I decided to get married and have a kid… first thing was to make a sperm count exam… the result was bad… very bad… I had zero live sperm… my boys were all dead…
I went to some fertility doctors but none of them could help me… I tried to keep my weight so I started to drink Weight Gainers and eat like a motherfucker… that was a total disaster! I indeed kept my weight… but my belly was HUGE! My bf should be around 20% by that time…
My sperm returned to normal values AFTER 18 MONTHS ! So in my case fertility was an issue! I read you saying about bodybuilders having kids ON GEAR and that only show me how individual side effects and predisposition can be.

After 3 years clean I now started a ?new protocol? I developed and the main reason for this post is to ask your opinion about that.

HERE IT GOES:
I ran 140 mg of TEST-C/week for 10 weeks… one shot every fifth day (around 70 mg each) and took 25mg of CLOMID everyday to prevent any shutdown of my HPTA
I did blood work before, during and last week when I stopped the TEST. My testosterone went from 400 to 850… FSH, LH kept near the same numbers during all 10 weeks… and most important, my sperm count remains the same!
In terms of results I got say that I have the same condition now (if not better) if compare when I was taking 250mg test/week… just a little lighter (right now I am 96 kilos/211 pounds).
I plan on start this next Monday to keep my gains to the max:

5gr of DAA
Alpha Male (a friend brought me from his trip to USA)
10mg of NOLVA (my intention with it is to help with my test levels)
I would do this for 4 weeks and then be back to the TEST+CLOMID protocol
What do you think about that?
I read that CLOMID can cause some vision related side effects if used for prolonged time… thatÃ???Ã??Ã?´s why I thought about giving it out for some time. Have you heard about some sides from CLOMID?
I am also considering using some HUMALOG pre wkt (like you mentioned) with my intraworkout drink … since I have never use it and bf is low, I thought it will give me some nice results… what do you think?

I appreciate the help
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Sorry to hear about your fertility issues, as I mentioned it can vary drastically from one person to another. Some people are completely fine while others can have disastrous issues and unfortunately this happened to you.

The cycle and pct you did looks great to me. I don’t see any issues with the clomid but it’s not a bad idea to cycle on and off of it 4 weeks at a time especially if you’re using AlphaMale and nolva while you’re not on it. If your bodyfat is nice and low you can definitely give the Humalog a chance for preworkout, and if you can combine it with Plazma that will be your best option. Start low at 5iu preworkout and as long and you don’t gain any fat (water retention is fine) you can bump it up 5iu every week and bump up carbs accordingly.
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Thanks for your input Shadow!
Quick questions regarding the advice you gave me and some other not related with my goals…

  1. You told me that if my bodyfat is nice and low I could definitely give the Humalog a chance for preworkout… starting at 5IU and as long I don’t gain any fat (water retention is fine) I could bump it up 5iu every week (bump up carbs accordingly)

But for another Forum Member (juggies) you said Ã?¢??I wouldn’t take insulin without the GH, it will help with muscle gains but can also put you at risk to gain a lot of fatÃ?¢??.
I understand that the response is very individual, but since I don�?�´t have cash now to buy some GH, how could I control this fat gain? Is it still worth it even only with the HUMALOG?

  1. In this same post you said that Insulin(HUMALOG)should be shot IM… I am sorry if this is NEW only for me, but I thought I should take it Subq just like GH… what kind of needle I would have to use? Same as I use for pin my TEST?

  2. Do you have any flatulence disorders? I mean, I do and it really bothers my wife… I wonder if others suffer from the same problem… I tried some simethicone but it didnÃ??Ã?´t help at all… any thoughts?

  3. Do you like other sports besides bodybuilding? I mean, practicing or just watching… I am asking you that because we are having the World Cup here in Brazil and there are a lot of americans supporting your National Soccer Team arround!

  4. Who is your favorite bodybuilder from all time? How about your favorite Mr.Olympia from all time?[/quote]

  5. The recommendation is very individual and you look relatively lean in your avatar, so I would say 5iu is pretty safe to try without gaining fat as long as you have your diet together. Obviously it would work better with GH but if you are under 8% bf and you are trying to gain mass, even if you add 1% bodyfat along with more muscle mass it would be worth it in a case like this. If your bodyfat is over 10% I wouldn’t use Humalog without GH. If you are under 10% it’s worth a try. If you are experiencing fat gain just stop using the insulin, you should be able to assess this after 2 weeks of use.

2.you should use Humalog IM, just use a regular insulin pin that you use for GH. Pick an area where you have the least bodyfat so you will insure that you are hitting the muscle. The reason for doing it IM is to make sure it’s in and out of your system as fast as possible.

  1. No I don’t have any problem with this. I think all bodybuilders have a little bit of a problem to an extent due to the excess food and high protein diet. Tell your wife to suck it up! Haha. On a serious note, I could be some type of food allergy.

  2. I like to watch the NBA and I also like to watch all of the Olympic sports as well, mostly track and field. I am not a huge fan of soccer but if I’ll watch a soccer game it would only be when Brazil is playing. I am a fan of other iron sports as well, I like to follow powerlifting, weightlifting and strongman.

  3. Ronnie Coleman for both. I think he was ahead of his time and no one will get to this level for years, he’s one of the strongest bodybuilders ever, trains like a maniac and he’s huge… Makes everyone else look like babies. Jay Cutler is a great representative for the sport, he’s an all around good guy. Your Brazilian brother Eduardo Correa is one of my top picks for a 212 competitor he doesn’t get the respect he deserves placing wise, he brings insane conditioning every time and has a great physique.
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Thanks again for all the info Shadow!

It is been a week since I started to use NOLVA (10mg/day) Alpha Male (4 tablets/day) DAA (5gr/day) and I am really satisfied with the results… I managed to keep my bf low and muscle mass gained with the TEST C (140mg/week) and CLOMID (25mg/day).
Got tell you Alpha Male surprised me in a good way… libido is high and energy too… it does not even seem I stoped with the TEST C… best Test Booster I have ever tried!

My plan is to keep it for 3 more weeks trying to lower my bf a little more (around 7% would be ideal). Below is the diet I am following right know… Would you please give me your thoughts about it and suggest what should I change when I start with TEST C, CLOMID n HUMALOG?

10:30 AM

7oz Chicken breast
7oz Brown rice
2gr Omega-3
5gr DAA
10mg Nolva
2 tablets Alpha Male
2gr HMB
3 tablets Multivitamin and minerals (manipulated formula for my needs)

1:00 PM

PRE WORKOUT
1 scoop Pre Workout (currently I am using Launch from SAN)
INTRA WORKOUT
1 serving of Plazma
RIGHT AFTER MY WORKOUT
2 scoops of Dark Matter
1gr HMB

2:30 PM

2 scoops of Hydrowhey from OPTIMUM
2gr Omega-3

3:30 PM

5.30oz Sweet Potato
5.30oz Chicken Breast
2 tablets Alpha Male

6:30 PM

7oz Ground beef
7oz Brown rice
2 scrambled eggs

9:30 PM

1 banana
3.50oz Oats
4 Brazilian nuts
2 scoops of Syntha-6

1:00 AM

5.30oz Sweet Potato
5.30oz Chicken Breast
Green Salad
1gr HMB

I train 6 days a week and usually have my day off on Saturday where I eat half the carbs of the other days and I do not take Plazma and Dark Matter.
I wish I could use more Plazma Intraworkout, but Biotest does not deliver to Brazil and I depend on friends send it for me from the US. I even sent another e-mail last week asking if something has changed regarding the shipping to Brazil and I am still waiting for an answer.

I coach people from 11AM until 11PM, I am an ecto and really feel I need my carbs to sustain my energy during my classes. I attached some pictures to help you to evaluate.

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[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:
Shadow… Thanks too for helping my questions…!
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You’re welcome, the reason I didn’t recommend caber is because im afraid after being shut down for so long that if you go on it might help a little bit while you’re on it but then shut you down even worse. That’s why I advise to try the more conservative route for this case.
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You think another strong PCT is best at this point?
Also, What about my current TT levels… they look good. Is there more to recover with PCT than just TT levels and the other sex howmones ( LH, Fsh…ect)…?

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Here’s what I think. Every strong PCT that you are doing will improve your libido. It’s not that I want to increase your current testosterone level, but it will do that as well. I want to give your libido another push and it should stay there or very close to good levels. It’s still my best option. The Cialis will also help a lot with this combo and I know this because I have had guys improve in similar situations (although not as extreme)

I’m not against caber, but if something goes wrong again after you go off then it might crash you even more.

Did you check your prolactin levels? And what other testing have you had recently?

Also, remember your not 20 years old anymore… These problems can sprout up at any point after our peak years. Guys always expect to come off juice and expect to be horny as a dog like they were when they were 18 but sadly it never happens.
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Shadow… Thanks man…! You are so very helpful…
Yes, prolactin is in range… I did manipulate it down and up with zero improvement…
I have had all realavent tests performed and once past the 7 mo th mark each one was not just in range, but optimal… I’ve had Scally, Crisler and a few “experts” look at them values…
Scally says give it more time… Crisler says at 18 mo THS things should clear up… A few experts say 2 years is possible and they’ve seen it with deca…
I was 40 when the cycle was tab and all was good… Libido was as strong as it was at 20… No joke…!
The cycle destroyed the libido 100%…
When I use cialis, your right, it does feel like an increase…
If you have any further suggestions, please let me know…
I’m here in Cali… Same time zone…!
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Shadow,
Let me add some details about the cycle since I neglected to do so already…
When I started the cycle I was unknowledgable and taking advise from the wrong crowd…
The cycle was
week 1-20 test E 550
week 1-20 deca 450
week 1-20 dbol 40 mg ed

Yes, I ran the d-bol for 20 weeks…! ( liver was still in range…!)
Everything was stopped at the same time…2 weeks out was Tamox 20 e/d
4 weeks out was clomid 50 e/d along with the tamox for 3 more weeks…
Finally at 7 months out all sex hormones were in range an optimized…
Libido was not recovered so on the advise of a Dr. I went back on test E 500 e/w for 4 weeks…Zero improvement in libido during that time.( bloods were taken to prove product was good) Was also on HCG 250 Iu every 3rd day during that cycle. With no improvement I ended the cycle and ran A proper Pct with HCG @ 500iu every 3 days for 3 weeks with clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks following…
The mood and energy was all repaired, but libido and weak erections remained…
If I run another PCT as you suggested, I am worried about E2 while blasting the HGC… can I run adex during that pct as the tamox and I dont do well…Or just lower my tamox dosing?
Thanks Boss…
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I think the biggest mistake you made(besides the cycle itself that wasn’t built very well) is the PCT you did after you went back on test(for 4 weeks) wasn’t aggressive enough. You can definitely run Adex instead of nolva on the pct I gave you, either one will work. Start with 1mg every 3rd day and up it to every other day if needed.

After reading this I’m pretty sure your libido will improve, keep me posted.
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Thank you Shadow pro…
Final question on the subject…
If left alone, with enough time is recovery likely to happen? Is the Aggressive pct a way to just make it happen quicker…?
Thank you for all your attention with this… I will keep you posted my man…!
Very kind regards.
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If you leave it alone there’s a possibility it can get better, I can’t guarantee anything. I think with the aggressive pct that I suggested gives you nothing to lose… You will feel better while on it and you will have a chance of a quicker recovery. My pleasure to help and yes, keep me posted.[/quote]
Thank you Shadow…
I will give it 1-2 more months then Do as you suggested… Now and again I see sighs of life so I will go 1-2 months more …
In the near future can you be reached through the forum?
Your presence here is beyond valuable… there is plenty of misinformation out there and your helping many play safe…
Thank you.[/quote]

Hey Shadow…!
Just sent you a PM…

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Hi shadow. What’s your take on fat in take during off-season and also when cutting down?

Do you think it’s important to really limit fats when cutting? Or does it really not matter much as long as I am not exceeding my total caloric intake per day? What about the off-season? any reasons to really limit them?

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[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:
What would you recommend as a first cycle for someone willing to see how would the substances work on his body?

Would a 1 compound, oral only be worth it at all?[/quote]

It really depends on the situation. This is extremely general, in some cases this could work but please give me more details if it’s something you are wanting to try for yourself.
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I thought interesting the idea of running 1 compound only for the first cycle to see how the body would respond to that, instead of mixing several and now knowing exactly how the body responds to each one of them.

I had mild gyno when entering puberty (natural reasons) and that’s why I am a bit concernet with test before I really know how the body would respond to different compounds.

I had a look into a Anavar only cycle but I found mixed opinions around. Some say it’s really great and work wonders and some others say it’s silly and stupid to ever run something without test. It got me interested especially that it’s said to help a lot with hardness, strenght and also a little on the side of fat burning.

I asked previously if a 1 compound only cycle would be any worth it cause I’ve already heard before that you should look to take as much as you can out of your first cycle so you can use the full potential of your receptors since you’ve never used anything before.

I am not really looking to get massive and gain tons of weight, just a dry and harder look and mostly lean gains.

Cheers.
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A one compound cycle can work, it’s not the optimal choice but it will definitely give you results. Only try this is you are under 10% bodyfat otherwise you won’t see any significant gains, the hard and lean look will be more profound if you are starting with a low bf level.

Because you’ve had problems in the past with gyno, I would keep nolva and HCG on hand incase you get shut down (which is unlikely but still possible). Your best options for an oral only cycle would be anavar, tbol or winstrol. You don’t HAVE to run test with everything, it probably a good idea but you’ll get results without it.

I would never recommend anyone to do an all out full blown first cycle, it’s dangerous and stupid. It won’t give you as much as you think. The body responds better to gradual change.
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Thanks for the answer.

Going with Anavar, what would be the minimum dose for it to start working and what would be the maximum recommended dose for someone trying it for the first time? As well as the length of the cycle?

How long of a PCT would be needed, what ideally would be used (nolva and hcg only?) and the dosages?

In case I get shutdown and start getting issues with gyno, ideally should I stop the compound and start Nolva/HCG or shouldn’t I stop it abruptly, and start the Nolva/HCG while still on cycle?

Would you recommend any liver protection?

I’m trying to get all bases covered and gather some information before, instead of just jumping into it and then having to look for answers for the problems when they’ve already started to manifest.

Thanks a lot again.[/quote]

Week 1-2 40mg/day
Week 3-4 60mg/day
Week 5-8 80mg/day

40 would be considered a minimum dose to see any effect for a guy and 60 would be considered average. 80-100mg is the highest I’d go… It depends on the quality of the anavar, if it’s good then 80 would be more than enough. 8 weeks is a good time for a first cycle.

Pct should be around 4 weeks (you might not even need it) 250iu 2x/week and clomid @ 50mg for 4 weeks.

If you start getting gyno issues, don’t just stop the cycle abruptly. I would hop on nolvadex @20mg/day. It’s very doubtful that this would happen but you can go up to 40mg/day if needed.

For liver protection 600mg of NAC everyday

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I’ve been busy moving but I will put up some pics soon. Having to do all this from my phone right now.

Regarding PCT how should I run that if I’m cutting out all AS 10-14 days before the show? Would I be running my pct through the show? Also I was thinking about using HCG to kick start everything, but again I’m not sure the best way to do that since everything is supposed to be out of my system at least a week before showtime.[/quote]

You should run your anti-e’s all the way up to the show, the last 10-14 days is the best time to bump up the dosage, these will help dry you out. Do not do take HCG in the last weeks before the show (it will make you hold water)but jump back on it right after the show and the dosage would depend on if you had used it during the cycle or not.

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This cycle looks much better, you can bump up the tren to 400mg/week. I would do a pyramid with the dbol, something like 20,30,40,50,60,70,80 and stay on 80for 2 weeks. Also add to your cycle 20mg of nolvadex everyday and 250iu HCG every 3rd day.

  1. As for the insulin. Use Humalog only, you can start with 5iu and slowly bump it up to 10iu and possibly 12. You can do this on your weak body part days or on every training day, you won’t get diabetic from these dosages and when you use it with Plazma you will have significant gains and get an insane pump everytime you use it.

  2. Drink the Plazma throughout the whole workout. As long as you keep putting carbs in your body you won’t go hypo. If for some reason you are going hypo (there is no reason why this should happen) but IF it does, add another scoop of Plazma to your drink.

  3. After the workout you can have 1.5 servings of MAG-10 (hydrolyzed casein) and 30min after this you can have a regular meal consisting of clean carbs and protein. The hydrolyzed casein will help your body become more hyper responsive to protein.

  4. Don’t know too many guys over that way, you can check out a dude named Nathan Harmon. He’s a very good prep coach with a lot of knowledge and can lead you on the right track. He won’t necessarily give you the same ideas as I give you but if you hire him, listen to him 100%… There’s a lot of ways to “skin a cat” so if you are paying good money for someone you might as well use their way.

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All right thank u ill get rid of the iifym eating right away thanks man i really appreciate the help[/quote]

Good decision! Patience is very important in bodybuilding, if you take your time you’ll get a lot more out of cycles in the future. If you get your diet and training on track you’ll do perfectly fine without it.

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well here in greece i went to a contest where the promoter introdused the bikini class and and i was like…wow!i want a piece of that ass!also i met ed nunn,markus ruhl and phil heath.ed was cool and friendly, as was markus who totally dwarfed phil,although it seems that oil was ready to come out of his biceps…phil great arms and delts but smaller than you except…Ed looked good[/quote]

I can see we’ve got a big bodybuilding fan here!

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Thanks. I will be tested in season. which I will have 4-5months. So the eq is still ok. When would you start with HCG and nolvadex?

And do you think the eq is worthed. If it will be bigger difference then just stay with for example just test-e and dianabol?

Last question. For orals. Do you prefer to use same dosage whole cycle? Or to cycle it from smaller dose to higer and then back down?

Thx for you time![/quote]

Use the HCG and nolvadex throughout the whole cycle. Do 250iu of HCG 2x/week and 10mg of nolvadex per day. The HCG will keep you functioning and the nolva is a precautionary and will keep you a bit drier.

The EQ is a bodybuilding drug, it won’t give you a lot in terms of performance. What it will give you is a bigger appetite, decent mass gains and mild strength gains.

Since you’re doing a low dose of dbol just keep it the same. I prefer a pyramid instead you can try this if you want… 20mg, 30mg, 40mg, 50mg for 8 weeks.(2 weeks @ each dose)

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[quote]Rottmeyer wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Rottmeyer wrote:
Yeah I think it works pretty good to, so i will stick with this Hygetropin GH, until I find my own pharma GH. It’s hard to find. Nobody want’s to share candy these days. :smiley:

Got some questions for you Shadow:

Right now i’am cutting on
2200 cals
260g Protein
150g Carbs
60g Fat

And i’am soon gonna bulk with this, when i hit 9-10% bodyfat from the cut
3500 Cals
281g Protein
400g Carbs
100g Fat
-Here i will put on weight about 200-300g a week. How would you go from this cut to the bulk.?? Slowly increase the cals and carbs each week or what do you think and do.??

-And i’am gonna start a cycle, a few weeks in the bulk period. Can i eat more cals then the 3500cals on a the cyle.?? Maybe bump it up to 4000cals and not gain fat.
My cycle: (This is my first cycle in many years, have been training clean in 4-5 years now)
1-8 100mg Test P eod
1-8 50mg Tren A eod
2.5iu GH morning and 2,5 PWO
10mg Nolvadex ed
Caber on hand
Never tried Tren so i’am gonna start light and slowly increase to 75-100mg eod, if i can handle it. If I can’t handle Tren, I switch it out with 100mg Masteron eod

-Should i use the GH different then that on this bulk period.?? Maybe 2iu morning and 3iu PWO.??

My sats:
30 years
183cm
87kg
Bodyfat: soon 9-10%

Sorry for not having pics. But I will when i reached the 10% fat, and start bulking and cycle.[/quote]

First diet mistake, you should separate your training days and your off days. The diet should be different in these days, both in the cutting and gaining diets. For example: a good rule would be to cut your carbs in half on the off days. In the diet it could be less than 1/2 and in the off season it could be more, but regardless to lower your carbs in the off day. From what you gave me, I would also eat less fat in your gaining diet something like 75g and more carbs, try about 50g more than what you stated.

While training, slowly build yourself up to about 200g of carbs from Plazma and maybe more. In your cutting diet get your carbs primarily from your intraworkout and maybe a bit in your preworkout/post workout but that’s it because you are only at 150, meal timing is extremely important. You could do 25 pre workout, 100intra and 25 post workout… Or all 150g intraworkout from the Plazma.

Once you start your cycle, you can bump up your protein a bit (around 50g/day) and keep increasing the intraworkout carbs as long as you don’t see fat gains, this is how you will gauge if you are eating too much. Your cycle looks good to me, just add 250iu of HCG 2x/week during the cycle. Use GH 60-90min pre workout and before bed. Your key here will be meal timing and depending how your body will react to the tren you could make one hell of a jump here if you respond well.
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Thank you so much for the answers and help.

So i made the changes, like you told me to. So now my Offseason Cycle Diet looks like this daily:
3800 cals
330g Protein
450g Carbs
75g Fat
I will cut alot of carbs on the OFF-days, like you said.

-What do you do, when you switch from a cutting diet to the Offseason diet.? Do you have a period when you increase cals every week, til you hit the offseason cals or.?

-What protein would you use intraworkout with plazma.? Can’t remember, was it BCAA or Hydro whey.??

-Why do you wan’t me to use the GH pre bed, when your own natural GH peak at night when you sleep.??

-Which Tren A do you use and favorite.?? Is there a pharma grade Tren A.?? [/quote]

Once you’re finishing your cutting diet, start SLOWLY increasing your carbs (and protein if needed) 25g every 3 days. Keep doing this until you reach your off season macros. Pay attention to fat gains, if you are gaining fat too fast then increase the time between your carb increases…so instead of every 3rd day you can do every 5-6day. It shouldn’t be an issue with such a mild increase.

The protein and the carbs are in the Plazma together, that’s the beauty of it. 1 serving is 38g of carbs and 15g of protein from hydrolyzed casein so you don’t need to add anything with it. You could add 5g of Creatine Malate if you wanted.

When you’re trying to gain muscle, you are growing while you are sleeping and taking the GH before bed enhances the process. If you are taking GH your body is likely not producing it naturally anyways but if you are worried about this you can take it on the middle of the night when you wake up instead.

Unfortunately there’s no pharma grade tren-a (I wish!) I have a chemist who makes my own. You might be able to get veterinary grade tren, that would be excellent… If you find this let me know, haha. Apparently it something they give to bulls to make them more aggressive.

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[quote]Isandhlwana wrote:
Thank you for all the support and information that you shared on your posts.
In regards to body weight and vitaltatistics, what were yours while completing?
leg circumference, chest etc.
I’m interested to know for comparison. [/quote]

Never used a tape measure and try to stay away from the scale… Bad idea to use these, they fuck with your head. I go from what I see in the mirror. Let’s just say I wasn’t very big when I started bodybuilding.

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[quote]serial lifter wrote:
would a six week blast at 1500-2000/week and six week cruise at 500ml/week be a good blast/cruise regimen? im 40 y/o ,and never plan to be “off” again.test c or prop would be used, i really need to just get an idea what a "good"blast/cruise program looks like, strength is my only goal if that helps and i train Bulgarian style (maxing almost daily) [/quote]

1.5-2g a week is a super high dose… I don’t even use this much so I wouldn’t recommend it. If you want to cruise you can do that with about 1/2 the amount of your blast dose, but if you are going to use such an insane dose you can cruise at 600mg/week (but this isn’t really cruising). Take into consideration that usually you’ll see diminishing returns (opposite effects of what you want) at a dose over 1.5g…

If strength is your only goal, there’s a lot better things to use than test. Test should be the base (under 1g/week)

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[quote]tigwelder85 wrote:
Shadow, what do you think about injectable anadrol and dianabol? Safe to use through the length of the cycle? As effective as orals? [/quote]

They’re not as effective as orals. Honestly, I can’t pinpoint the reasoning but you just don’t get the same strength effect. If you want to use them anyways, use them for the same amount of time as you would for orals (6-8weeks)

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[quote]justchillin wrote:
Hey Shadow,

Great info!

Quick question,

I been training 7 years, I’ve ran a couple pros when I was younger like a dumbass an ran my first Test E cycle about 4 months ago. I ran 500mg/week for 10 weeks. I wanna run a second cycle of test E but do you think I should “kickstart” with prop? Also should I up my dose to say 750 a week? I handled 500 a week very well and had small gains. Mind you I was only running the one test and that’s all. Any advice for a second cycle would be awesome! Not trying to get Olympia big, just enough to change me up and keep working hard. [/quote]

Depending on your goal for this second cycle, I would add an oral.
Mass gains (12 week cycle)
Test-e or cyp @ 750mg/week
Week 1-6 dbol 30mg, 40mg, 50mg everyday (increase dose every 2 weeks)
250iu HCG 2x/week
10-20mg nolvadex everyday.

Lean gains (12 week cycle)
Test-e or cyp @ 750mg/week
Week 1-6 winstrol or anavar @ 50mg everyday
HCG 250iu 2x/week
10-20mg nolvadex everyday

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Is there any major differences between the underground Winstrol and the Winstrol-V (for animals) when used by a bodybuilder ?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]thor159 wrote:
What would you recommend as a first cycle for someone willing to see how would the substances work on his body?

Would a 1 compound, oral only be worth it at all?[/quote]

It really depends on the situation. This is extremely general, in some cases this could work but please give me more details if it’s something you are wanting to try for yourself.
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I thought interesting the idea of running 1 compound only for the first cycle to see how the body would respond to that, instead of mixing several and now knowing exactly how the body responds to each one of them.

I had mild gyno when entering puberty (natural reasons) and that’s why I am a bit concernet with test before I really know how the body would respond to different compounds.

I had a look into a Anavar only cycle but I found mixed opinions around. Some say it’s really great and work wonders and some others say it’s silly and stupid to ever run something without test. It got me interested especially that it’s said to help a lot with hardness, strenght and also a little on the side of fat burning.

I asked previously if a 1 compound only cycle would be any worth it cause I’ve already heard before that you should look to take as much as you can out of your first cycle so you can use the full potential of your receptors since you’ve never used anything before.

I am not really looking to get massive and gain tons of weight, just a dry and harder look and mostly lean gains.

Cheers.
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A one compound cycle can work, it’s not the optimal choice but it will definitely give you results. Only try this is you are under 10% bodyfat otherwise you won’t see any significant gains, the hard and lean look will be more profound if you are starting with a low bf level.

Because you’ve had problems in the past with gyno, I would keep nolva and HCG on hand incase you get shut down (which is unlikely but still possible). Your best options for an oral only cycle would be anavar, tbol or winstrol. You don’t HAVE to run test with everything, it probably a good idea but you’ll get results without it.

I would never recommend anyone to do an all out full blown first cycle, it’s dangerous and stupid. It won’t give you as much as you think. The body responds better to gradual change.
[/quote]
Thanks for the answer.

Going with Anavar, what would be the minimum dose for it to start working and what would be the maximum recommended dose for someone trying it for the first time? As well as the length of the cycle?

How long of a PCT would be needed, what ideally would be used (nolva and hcg only?) and the dosages?

In case I get shutdown and start getting issues with gyno, ideally should I stop the compound and start Nolva/HCG or shouldn’t I stop it abruptly, and start the Nolva/HCG while still on cycle?

Would you recommend any liver protection?

I’m trying to get all bases covered and gather some information before, instead of just jumping into it and then having to look for answers for the problems when they’ve already started to manifest.

Thanks a lot again.[/quote]

Week 1-2 40mg/day
Week 3-4 60mg/day
Week 5-8 80mg/day

40 would be considered a minimum dose to see any effect for a guy and 60 would be considered average. 80-100mg is the highest I’d go… It depends on the quality of the anavar, if it’s good then 80 would be more than enough. 8 weeks is a good time for a first cycle.

Pct should be around 4 weeks (you might not even need it) 250iu 2x/week and clomid @ 50mg for 4 weeks.

If you start getting gyno issues, don’t just stop the cycle abruptly. I would hop on nolvadex @20mg/day. It’s very doubtful that this would happen but you can go up to 40mg/day if needed.

For liver protection 600mg of NAC everyday[/quote]
I didn’t understand quite well some stuff if you don’t mind explaining it again.

“Pct should be around 4 weeks (you might not even need it) 250iu 2x/week and clomid @ 50mg for 4 weeks.”

Clomid every day for 4 weeks and then 250iu of what twice a week and twice a week when? Something like Monday/friday or what?

Nolvadex ONLY in case I get shut down?

What about the HCG?

So in the end I should have all 3 compounds in hands? HCG, Nolvadex and Clomid?

Thanks a lot again.

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Hi Shadow Pro, I’ve been reading through this thread and its full of useful advice.
I am looking for some guidance about dosages and compounds to give me a men’s physique look year-round that doesn’t compromise my health.

Stats: 24 years old, 200lbs 8% bodyfat.

350lb Bench Press
500lb Squat
600lb Deadlift

Experience: Started at 20 years old following the time off = time on + pct using 500mg test-e/wk with an oral front load for my first three cycles. The past 2 years I have been experimenting with different compounds with limited time off (tren/deca/eq/masteron/winstrol/tbol) ranging from 700mg - 1800mg week.

I honestly didn’t notice much change going above 1000mg week and I’m confused as to what dosages/compounds to use given that the internet forums are full of people advising high dosages which I’ve stupidly followed in the past.
I would like to run a moderate cycle for 8-10 months of the year taking the rest of the year off that will allow me to maintain my current stats with low levels of water retention.

My diet is on point year round using a carb cycling approach and my training split is as follows:
Day 1: Upper Body
Day 2: Track Workout (200 metres, drills)
Day 3: Off
Day 4: Legs
Day 5: Upper Body
Day 6: Track Workout (100 metres, drills)
Day 7: Off

It would be great if you could advise me on designing a protocol for my goals, hopefully I’ve provided enough detail on my background to help with this.

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Shadow pro

What’s your reason for pyramiding dbol? I had disregarded this idea but reconsidering since I’ve seen you advising it but I can’t think what the benefit would be…?

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Hey shadow pro, I am right now 17 years old but I have not trained really serious the last year because of an infection in my stomach, but then I am ready again I would really appreciate some help. I am right now about 170 pounds by 14 % body fat, first of all I will lose some fat and drop down to about 8%. Next I will switch between bulking and cutting and it will look like

Diet

Bulk (5 weeks)
1 week: +300
2 week: +300
3 week: +200
4 week: +200
5 week: +100

Cut (3 weeks)
1 week: -100
2 week: -200
3 week: -400

  • and - are under and over maintance calories

*I will also do some sort of carb cycling

  • I will try to eat as clean as possible and keep my protein high

Training:

1 day: (Chest and Back)
Bench press 3 sets 5 reps
Incline bench press 3 sets 10 reps
Incline flyes 3 sets 20 reps

Deadlift 4 sets 5 reps
Rows 4 sets 10 reps
Pulldown 4 sets 20 reps

2 day: (Arms and Delt)
DB press 3 sets 8 reps
Side laterals 2 sets 15 reps
Rear delts 2 sets 30 reps

Barbell curl 3 sets 5 reps
DB curl 2 sets 10 reps
Pushdown 3 sets 10 reps
Reverse pushdown 2 sets 20 reps

3 day: (Chest and Back #2)
Bench pres 10 sets 10 reps
Bent over rows 10 sets 10 reps

4 day: (Legs)
Squat 5 sets 5 reps
Front squat 3 sets 20 reps
Romanian deadlift 5 sets 12 reps
Calves raises 3 sets 25 reps

  • I will also do about 30-60 min of cardio every day

Goal:
The goal is stay on stage in men? s physique

PED

When I will turn 23 years I will to start on PED, I know it is difficult for you to rate the cycle without knowing my body, but I just thought that you could tell me if it? s acceptable?

Bulk: (1-12 weeks)
Test E 100 mg /EW
Test P 50 mg /ED
Boldenone 100 mg/EW

HGH 4 iu

Novaldex 10 mcg

Cut: (1-8 weeks)
Sustanone 100 mg/EW
Trenbolone A 30 mg/ED
Masterone 200 mg/EW

Anavar 40 mg/ED
HGH 6 iu

Clen 40 mcg/ED

Novaldex 10 mcg

  • I Have a good idea how the pct should look like, so no help needed for that.

So I just wanted your opionen about my ?plan?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

This cycle looks much better, you can bump up the tren to 400mg/week. I would do a pyramid with the dbol, something like 20,30,40,50,60,70,80 and stay on 80for 2 weeks. Also add to your cycle 20mg of nolvadex everyday and 250iu HCG every 3rd day.

  1. As for the insulin. Use Humalog only, you can start with 5iu and slowly bump it up to 10iu and possibly 12. You can do this on your weak body part days or on every training day, you won’t get diabetic from these dosages and when you use it with Plazma you will have significant gains and get an insane pump everytime you use it.

  2. Drink the Plazma throughout the whole workout. As long as you keep putting carbs in your body you won’t go hypo. If for some reason you are going hypo (there is no reason why this should happen) but IF it does, add another scoop of Plazma to your drink.

  3. After the workout you can have 1.5 servings of MAG-10 (hydrolyzed casein) and 30min after this you can have a regular meal consisting of clean carbs and protein. The hydrolyzed casein will help your body become more hyper responsive to protein.

  4. Don’t know too many guys over that way, you can check out a dude named Nathan Harmon. He’s a very good prep coach with a lot of knowledge and can lead you on the right track. He won’t necessarily give you the same ideas as I give you but if you hire him, listen to him 100%… There’s a lot of ways to “skin a cat” so if you are paying good money for someone you might as well use their way.
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Thanks for all your help. :slight_smile:

Dont know if you have mentioned it, but why do you do Nolva and hcg during your cycle?

Ive always done Nolva and hcg after the cycle. Currently doing adex and b6 (does the trick for me) While im on.