[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Uncreative123 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Uncreative123 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
For a physique competitor your doses are plain and simply way too high! These are amounts that high level bodybuilders are taking. Why are you taking so much, if I may ask?
Also, this cycle is way too long. My best advice at this point is to come off and get clean with a good PCT and stay clean for a good 3-4 months. Once your body has repaired and blood tests come back norm then you can come back on a sane cycle that suits a men’s physique competitor. I think your body is just worn out and this is why no matter what you are trying, you are not getting your desired look. Cut your loses and think about next season… Whatever you do now is just going to set you back further so think long term.
When you have a great off season and a carefully planned program you can consider back to back shows. It’s never easy on your body to do shows this way and if everything isn’t optimal in your program it can be disastrous. It’s easier for a men’s physique to do back to back shows because their stage condition and drug protocol is much easier on the system and they are able to maintain this look for longer periods of time. There’s no reason why a men’s physique competitor should ever take 1g of test, 600mg of eq and 600mg of tren…there’s no logic here. It will make you hold a shit load of water and put unnecessary pressure on your system making it much harder to get to your desired look. More is not better!
T3 and Clen are not mandatory, they are used in certain amounts and dosages depending on the specific case. I know a lot of men’s physique competitors who don’t use it at all… A good diet and training program can get you to this point. You aren’t trying to get to 3% bodyfat so there’s no need for extreme measures.
I’m not saying to run diuretics 1-2 days before or to run them at all for that matter. It’s completely individual. Some people cut water completely and some don’t cut it at all… Some people use diuretics and some people don’t use them at all… You keep mentioning water pills, are you talking about an over the counter diuretic? Some of these can cause different side effects and taking them for days on end may not be a good idea. The last week leading up to a show is individual and there is NO formula that exists… This is why people hire coaches because the last week is crucial and needs to be well thought out and planned on an individual case.
Regarding your diet… I can’t give you any specific advise because you aren’t my client therefore I don’t know how your body works but I can tell you that I’m a big believer in high carbs and carb cycling in general so it might be something to look into. I count all of my carbs, even veggies.
I think the biggest issue here is the drug protocol… Too much for too long with wrong decisions.everything else is an easy fix but if you don’t clean your body to have a fresh start, I really doubt you will look any better in the next show. Sounds to me like your body is in a big mess right now. If you want to do it long term, i would think about cleaning up now and looking towards a show next year instead.[/quote]
Again, thanks for the response. I think you misunderstood though- I was NOT taking all that stuff at once. The first half of the cycle was Test and EQ, then I dropped both of them and switched over to the Tren/Test/Mast. That’s all I’m on now. I would never run that much gear together. Right now I’m roughly on about 800-850mg/wk altogether. Nothing crazy.
Honestly just within the last week of adding in 25-30 min of cardio a day (6 days a week) and doing some carb and fat cycling I’ve already noticed some big changes in fat loss. It gives me hope and I want to keep it up over the next couple weeks and see how it goes. I know you advise against this, but I feel like those are some very important aspects I neglected the first time around.
I’d like to send you a couple pics maybe in like two weeks to see where you think I stand and whether or not at that point I should call it a day. I’ll be slowly tapering off calories over the next 4ish weeks. Looks roughly something like this right now:
(6’ 1" 210 lbs)
2500 cal/day for this week
Today (Thursday)
High carb day 270 carbs
29g/fat
315g/protein
Friday:
190 carbs
50g/fat
315g/protein
Satuday:
160g/carbs
65g/fat
315g/protein
Sunday:
160g/carbs
65g/fat
315g/protein
Monday:
65g/carbs
95g/fat
315g/protein
Tuesday:
65g/carbs
95g/fat
315g/protein
Wed.:
160g/carbs
65g/fat
315g/protein
I can go lower on some of those carb days if need be, and definitely lower on fats. That’s kind of a rough plan, and then subtract an additional 150/cal each week. Any thoughts on that?
Thanks again.[/quote]
If you’ve decided to compete anyways, your diet looks ok for now. Because your body is in a sensitive condition your diet should be reassessed every 3-4days (at least find someone with an objective eye to make sure you are progressing)
You can add clenbuterol to prevent catabolism and aid in fat loss. 0.2mcg this week and 0.4mcg next week… Post some pics here in 2 weeks and I’ll see where you’re at. You could add t3 @12.5mcg this week and 25 next week to increase metabolism .
I know you’re thinking you’re not taking much, but you are competing in men’s physique and not bodybuilding… Trust me, even if I misunderstood some of it, it’s still a lot. Close to 1g of test and these amounts of eq are 100% not necessary. Tren is questionable. I promise if you would have done things right from the beginning you would be using a lot less and looking a lot better. If you want to compete now, just do what you need to do and then reevaluate everything after.
Last piece of advise, if you want to look hard on stage drop the test 2 weeks out.[/quote]
Thank you. My T3 and Clen should be here today. Honestly with all the cardio and change in diet I think I’m looking better and even dryer than I was when I stepped on stage two weeks ago. (Really over did it with the cheat meals afterwards) I’ve seen you mentioning to do 45min cardio for most people, so I think I’m going to try to up it to that from 30 min. I’ve noticed that I’ve even had a lot more energy in the gym lately which I didn’t expect from doing two separate workouts- cardio in the AM and lifting in the evening as well as carb/fat cycling.
I’ve had some serious stress/post-break-up blues/never ending bullshit setbacks to deal with but I’m getting better. I feel like that’s the only thing really holding me back at this point that I can’t do much about.
Regarding training, since abs are so important for men’s physique, how would you suggest approaching that? Some weighted abs OK? No weighted abs? Just planks, crunches, etc?
Again I really appreciate this, I feel like your guidance is really helping. I’m moving at the end of the month so I’ve got a lot of stuff to take care of financially, but after that if it’s cool I’d like to send you a tub of Plazma (and get one for myself to try it out) just to show my appreciation. I don’t need your name or address or anything since you are remaining anonymous- if the Mods here at T-Nation or someone at Biotest could set it up to work that out however they need to, I’m down. You’re literally helping everyone out here with invaluable advice so I feel like it’s the least I can do.
I’ll have some more pics soon.[/quote]
I’m happy that I’m able to help, I’ll always give you my honest opinion regardless of if it’s good or bad.
Cardio is very individual but because we are adding t3 and Clen and you still have bodyfat lose. I prefer you are ready 10-14 days before the show. For now you can bump up your cardio to 45 min. Post pics every 4 days and I will adjust according to what I see.
By all means do abs and a lot of them. A mix between weighted and bodyweight exercises are fine.
Day 1: giant set (weighted decline crunches 15 reps, bodyweight knee raises to failure, planks 1-1.5min)
Repeat 5x
Day 2: weighted flat crunches 3 sets for 20 reps
Ab machine 3 sets for 15-20 reps
Weighted crunches on Swiss ball 3 sets for 15 reps
Alternate between these days, you can do 4-5 days a week.
Again, because your body is in a delicate situation the key is to adjust while we go so the more communication with your coach the better. Adjustment needs to be made every 3-4 days based on progress. Another important thing to consider is to take the drugs you need to maintain what you have, which Is not a lot. The less you take the better right now. If you take more it can cause water retention and you won’t look as hard, you just need the basics now. Good luck!
I appreciate that you want to offer something to me but I am not here for that purpose. If you want to give back just invest in the book that I will be writing, it will be much cheaper than a bottle of Plazma and you will greatly benefit from the information that will be contained. It’s going to be very detailed and cover many subjects including some special and unique tricks that I’ve learned over the years that will be shared. I still need to get permission from the site but I’m hoping you will be able to buy it right here on tnation if they’ll allow me to do so.
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I’ve been busy moving but I will put up some pics soon. Having to do all this from my phone right now.
Regarding PCT how should I run that if I’m cutting out all AS 10-14 days before the show? Would I be running my pct through the show? Also I was thinking about using HCG to kick start everything, but again I’m not sure the best way to do that since everything is supposed to be out of my system at least a week before showtime.
