[quote]therajraj wrote:
Shadow,
If I go on a two week vacation and go 2 weeks between injections of Test C would that be bad? Would my libido crash?
What if I were to shoot Sust which has 100mg of Test Dec in it prior? Would that keep me in healthy levels for those 2 weeks?
Or what about shooting Test U?[/quote]
Test-c is active for about 14 days, so I wouldn’t worry about missing one shot. Just do one the day you leave and again when you get back, you’ll be fine. No need to switch compounds.
[quote]Rottmeyer wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Portierken wrote:
Hey Shadow Pro,
First I want to thank you for your professional advice… It’s very informative.
I have a question about Chinese HGH. You said they all are bunk.
But where I live there is 99% chance that the pharma grade HGH is fake.
So I used Hygetropin (hygetropin.cn) for a couple months.
I think they do work at 6IU a day.
Have you tried this generic hgh? Do you think it’s complete bunk?
The second question is: Do you lower your dosage of tren when you try to bulk?
If I use more then 400mg of tren my appetite is very low 
I always used deca for bulking but I don’t like it anymore.
I use 700mg tren for cutting. Should 400mg tren be enough for bulking?
I use sustanon and Equipose with it.
Thanks!
[/quote]
GH in china isn’t legal anymore without prescription, it used to be and the brand you mentioned was decent about 10 years ago. Today everything that comes from china is bunk. When you say it works, what are you seeing from this? If it’s something you have to think about or it’s not clear then it’s probably not real, the results you are getting from real GH is very obvious. There are fakes everywhere, so your best bet is to try and get it from a pharmacy if you have access to it.
I’m not sure what your cycle history is, but 700mg of tren is a lot unless you are a very experienced user. I’m very surprised that when you are using eq and tren you have appetite problems, it’s not common and im not sure what else you are doing in terms of drugs, diet and training. Best idea would be to get some blood work done to make sure everything is okay. It could also be the quality of the gear you are using because tren, test and eq together should make you feel very hungry, strong and happy! Tren is not supposed to suppress appetite.[/quote]
Sorry for jumping in.
I been running Hygetropin for 2-3 months now, in my cutting period. 2,5iu morning and 2,5iu pre-workout.
I just want to tell my experience with Hygetropin. I’am loosing fat alot more faster. I have better recovery, keeping muscle and strength is more steady, then cutting without GH, in a low cal diet.
My skin is cleared. I work as a metal worker, and i often get wounds and burning marks on my hands and body from welding. And they heal so much faster then normal.
My hair is also feeling different, like stronger and stiff. Hard to explain.
I have been dealing with Tendonitis i my left knee for about 1,5 year, and that is gone now.
And my sleep is so good. I can sleep for 10hours straight, and I haven’t done that since i was a kid. 
I’am really not here to hype it, just my experience with it. Never tried pharma grade GH, because I don,t have the access to it right now. But i hope some day i will.
What’s your favorite pharma grade GH, if you have one.?? Or that maybe doesn’t matter as long as it’s pharma.??
Thanks Mr Shadow Pro for all your great answers.[/quote]
That’s great… You may have hit the jack pot you lucky bastard! As I said it’s extremely rare to find real underground GH, 99% are bunk but you have a small chance of finding something good. For me it’s like playing Russian roulette and I’d rather take the hit and get the real stuff instead of wasting my money.
From what you say, it sounds like the effects of good GH. For my favorite pharm grade GH I would go with 1.humatrope 2. Serostim
Thank you for posting.
[quote]mati96 wrote:
First of all Shadow pro thank you for putting so much work into this thread and helping people, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate it
And here we go with my questions,
Sorry for bad gramma and greetings from Denmark[/quote]
Glad to hear you appreciate it. Thank you for joining us.
[quote]KaiMrO14 wrote:
Hey shadow i really appreciate u doing this, its really nice of you :))) now to my details and question:
20 years old
About 2,5 years of serious weight training
185cm tall
93kg approx 13% bf
At the moment im cutting, i want to get down to about 9-10% bf, i dont see any reason to get lower since im not competeing yet.
I want to do my first cycle when im done cutting, here it is:
1-12 500mg test e EW. Very basic
The pct im not so sure about yet i was hoping u could help with that.
So now to the questions:
1: what do u think about the cycle? Should i even be doing it already?
2: can u give ur example of good pct for that cycle?
3: can i start hgh at the same time? My knees and elbows are bugging me abit from time to time so i was hoping that hgh could help.
4: should i hire a coach right away or can i wait?
Greetings from an aspiring bodybuilder :)[/quote]
Can you please post a picture. If I can see how much muscle you have and the level you are at then I can help you decide if it’s a good time for you to start or not.
Can you also tell me about your diet, training and supplements. There are a lot of things you can manipulate here before starting a cycle.
[quote]thor159 wrote:
What would you recommend as a first cycle for someone willing to see how would the substances work on his body?
Would a 1 compound, oral only be worth it at all?[/quote]
It really depends on the situation. This is extremely general, in some cases this could work but please give me more details if it’s something you are wanting to try for yourself.
[quote]patrick34 wrote:
Hello there,
I train for quite some years but suffers health, mild heart failure, so I do not just use some steroid like Clembuterol problem, I think staying in a weight of 90kg very dry so I thought of associating with Turinabol testosterone and Masteron, what do you think of the secondary effects of this association? and positive effect?
thank you[/quote]
With the medical history you have described, I wouldn’t suggest taking any steroids at all… This is not something to risk your life over. Just doesn’t sound like a good mix. I think if I were you I’d stick with some good quality supplements and hard training.
Give me a little more info about yourself and maybe I can help more.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow any early predictions about the O?phil wins again?i have met him and seems like a cool guy,dont understand the hating for the guy…
also a recent pic of mine in the gym,delts- biceps- triceps critique please(i am the right guy)
[/quote]
Competed with him on more than one occasion and he’s very arrogant to say the least… I can see why other pros and people in the industry dislike him. I have no problem with him personally but I see where the problem comes from.
Predictions… Always depends who comes ready on that day and what kind of improvements they make. If the miracle happens and everyone comes in condition(this is never the case) or unless someone did insane improvements over the past year this is how I would see it. I think it will be very similar to last year.
1.Phil
2. Kai (if Kai isn’t 100% Dennis will take this)
3. Dennis
4. Shawn
5. Ramy (if he comes in 100% condition it can shuffle the whole prediction, this is a big IF)
You look the same as you looked last week, did something change?
[/quote]
well just the clen i have taken it for 2 weeks and i think i am a little harder,just a few guys in the gym have said that i need more forearms an biceps to balance my delts and triceps(not that i ask for their opinion…)
i see about heath,being arrogant isnt a good idea generally!
no love for dex or roelly?dex is my current favorite physique,seems complete to me,except for the calves,i would like to see him top 3!
Roelly is a freak,i think he deserved to be placed higher last year!i hope top 5 this year would be more fair if he comes in shape.
Hi shadow pro,
(This is my first post on t nation so i m pretty excited:-p).
i wanna ask u that how many years were u natural bodybuilder before u got yor pro card?when u realized that u got potential of becoming a pro.
I m 5.10,167lbs (i used to be very skinny)I have been training 4r 3.3 years at home.Gained 43lbs of muscles and if want to be a pro what i need to concentrate on.And as u said u were more of ecto(like me) so yor suggestion can help me a lot n btw i m 23years old n live in India so no Biotest supps available.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]thor159 wrote:
What would you recommend as a first cycle for someone willing to see how would the substances work on his body?
Would a 1 compound, oral only be worth it at all?[/quote]
It really depends on the situation. This is extremely general, in some cases this could work but please give me more details if it’s something you are wanting to try for yourself.
[/quote]
I thought interesting the idea of running 1 compound only for the first cycle to see how the body would respond to that, instead of mixing several and now knowing exactly how the body responds to each one of them.
I had mild gyno when entering puberty (natural reasons) and that’s why I am a bit concernet with test before I really know how the body would respond to different compounds.
I had a look into a Anavar only cycle but I found mixed opinions around. Some say it’s really great and work wonders and some others say it’s silly and stupid to ever run something without test. It got me interested especially that it’s said to help a lot with hardness, strenght and also a little on the side of fat burning.
I asked previously if a 1 compound only cycle would be any worth it cause I’ve already heard before that you should look to take as much as you can out of your first cycle so you can use the full potential of your receptors since you’ve never used anything before.
I am not really looking to get massive and gain tons of weight, just a dry and harder look and mostly lean gains.
Cheers.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow
Denmark here. A little about myself, 179cm, 85kg (shredded for competition and no water)
Im 31 years now and been training since i was around 16 years.
Ive read the entite thread and just wanted to hear your comments about my supplements:
Im getting ready for a competition in a couple of months, and then im taking a couple of months off the roids.
In the new year my plan is to gain about 5kg (about 10lbs) of lean muscle. Or at least as lean as they come
Is was thinking of running:
1-12 Test E 750mg
1-12 Tren Hex 306mg
1-8 Dianabol 40mg
1-4 IGF-1 LR3 pwo 50mcg (3x)
1-4 Humalog pwo 5-10 ui (3x)
13-24 Test E 750mg
13-24 Eq 500mg
13-20 Dianabol 40mg
13-16 IGF-1 LR3 pwo 50mcg (3x)
13-16 Humalog pwo 5-10 ui (3x)
(Ive been doing cycles before)
As for the food i was going to be around the 4500-5000kcal all depending on how my body reacts. Dont want to get over the 10-11 in bf%.
Hit me with your honest oppinion. Any thoughts?[/quote]
Can you post a picture and give me the breakdown of your macros.
How many cycles have you done before? This is a very LONG cycle. You should be very advanced if you are staying on for 24 weeks in a row. Just by the look of it I can give you a few General suggestions.
-do Humalog preworkout and use Plazma intraworkout, what you’re doing intra right now is hurting you and not helping you. Intraworkout nutrition is the most important thing especially when using insulin. 10iu Humalog preworkout and 2.5 servings of Plazma
-don’t waste money on igf-1 unless it’s from the pharmacy, just buy GH
-change cla and omega 3 to Flameout, it’s got the perfect balance of EPA,DHA and CLA together
-if you are experienced you could go a little higher with the eq, for mass gaining purposes you need to push it a bit higher.
Post a pic and I will be able to give you better suggestions.
[/quote]
Ive done about 6-7 cycles (offseason/competition)
Why not run insulin AFTER the workout?
What about the rest of the supplements?
Im about 10 weeks out from competition. Still have a lot of fat (and water)
SHadow, i doubt this has been asked before but could you debunk some HCG myths?
(common beleaves, not neccesarily my opinion)
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]KaiMrO14 wrote:
Hey shadow i really appreciate u doing this, its really nice of you :))) now to my details and question:
20 years old
About 2,5 years of serious weight training
185cm tall
93kg approx 13% bf
At the moment im cutting, i want to get down to about 9-10% bf, i dont see any reason to get lower since im not competeing yet.
I want to do my first cycle when im done cutting, here it is:
1-12 500mg test e EW. Very basic
The pct im not so sure about yet i was hoping u could help with that.
So now to the questions:
1: what do u think about the cycle? Should i even be doing it already?
2: can u give ur example of good pct for that cycle?
3: can i start hgh at the same time? My knees and elbows are bugging me abit from time to time so i was hoping that hgh could help.
4: should i hire a coach right away or can i wait?
Greetings from an aspiring bodybuilder :)[/quote]
Can you please post a picture. If I can see how much muscle you have and the level you are at then I can help you decide if it’s a good time for you to start or not.
Can you also tell me about your diet, training and supplements. There are a lot of things you can manipulate here before starting a cycle.[/quote]
I eat 400g of chicken, 200g of brown rice, a can of tuna, about 50g of oatmeal 8 egg whites every day and alot of veggies and some more which is kinda iifym style. On rest days i go low carb and then refeed the day after. I get 100g of protein from whey shakes and about 5-7g of creatine everyday. In the middle of my workout i drink bcaas along with a banana. I do have zma’s lying around somewhere should i start taking those again?
Im following a 2 split right now: day 1: chest, shoulders, triceps
Day 2: back, legs, biceps
Day 3: shoulder, chest, tris
Day 4: legs, back, bis
Every other day i switch the focus so i for example focus more on my shoulders and less and the chest. I hope u understand what i mean. I usually do 5x5 on the big lifts and try to focus more on time under tension and creating as much tension as possible on the isolation movements. Hope i didnt forget anything.
One more picture.
Yeah I think it works pretty good to, so i will stick with this Hygetropin GH, until I find my own pharma GH. It’s hard to find. Nobody want’s to share candy these days. 
Got some questions for you Shadow:
Right now i’am cutting on
2200 cals
260g Protein
150g Carbs
60g Fat
And i’am soon gonna bulk with this, when i hit 9-10% bodyfat from the cut
3500 Cals
281g Protein
400g Carbs
100g Fat
-Here i will put on weight about 200-300g a week. How would you go from this cut to the bulk.?? Slowly increase the cals and carbs each week or what do you think and do.??
-And i’am gonna start a cycle, a few weeks in the bulk period. Can i eat more cals then the 3500cals on a the cyle.?? Maybe bump it up to 4000cals and not gain fat.
My cycle: (This is my first cycle in many years, have been training clean in 4-5 years now)
1-8 100mg Test P eod
1-8 50mg Tren A eod
2.5iu GH morning and 2,5 PWO
10mg Nolvadex ed
Caber on hand
Never tried Tren so i’am gonna start light and slowly increase to 75-100mg eod, if i can handle it. If I can’t handle Tren, I switch it out with 100mg Masteron eod
-Should i use the GH different then that on this bulk period.?? Maybe 2iu morning and 3iu PWO.??
My sats:
30 years
183cm
87kg
Bodyfat: soon 9-10%
Sorry for not having pics. But I will when i reached the 10% fat, and start bulking and cycle.
[quote]alvertos wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow any early predictions about the O?phil wins again?i have met him and seems like a cool guy,dont understand the hating for the guy…
also a recent pic of mine in the gym,delts- biceps- triceps critique please(i am the right guy)
[/quote]
Competed with him on more than one occasion and he’s very arrogant to say the least… I can see why other pros and people in the industry dislike him. I have no problem with him personally but I see where the problem comes from.
Predictions… Always depends who comes ready on that day and what kind of improvements they make. If the miracle happens and everyone comes in condition(this is never the case) or unless someone did insane improvements over the past year this is how I would see it. I think it will be very similar to last year.
1.Phil
2. Kai (if Kai isn’t 100% Dennis will take this)
3. Dennis
4. Shawn
5. Ramy (if he comes in 100% condition it can shuffle the whole prediction, this is a big IF)
You look the same as you looked last week, did something change?
[/quote]
well just the clen i have taken it for 2 weeks and i think i am a little harder,just a few guys in the gym have said that i need more forearms an biceps to balance my delts and triceps(not that i ask for their opinion…)
i see about heath,being arrogant isnt a good idea generally!
no love for dex or roelly?dex is my current favorite physique,seems complete to me,except for the calves,i would like to see him top 3!
Roelly is a freak,i think he deserved to be placed higher last year!i hope top 5 this year would be more fair if he comes in shape.[/quote]
That’s good that you’re harder now, best advice is not to listen to every clown in the gym… As you know, opinions are like assholes and everyone has one! You look good so keep training hard and try to gain overall size slowly, you’ll get there.
Structurally, Dexter is perfect but compared to the other guys I mentioned he’s just lacking in size. I just think that it will be hard to him to make top 5 if everyone else is coming perfectly. If it’s going with aesthetics/structure then Dexter and Rhoden will do well. As for roelly, I completely agree and he’s also one of the nicest guys on the circuit by the way. If he comes in 100% condition he can move up a place or row from last year, but he has yet to dial it in.
[quote]nawab wrote:
Hi shadow pro,
(This is my first post on t nation so i m pretty excited:-p).
i wanna ask u that how many years were u natural bodybuilder before u got yor pro card?when u realized that u got potential of becoming a pro.
I m 5.10,167lbs (i used to be very skinny)I have been training 4r 3.3 years at home.Gained 43lbs of muscles and if want to be a pro what i need to concentrate on.And as u said u were more of ecto(like me) so yor suggestion can help me a lot n btw i m 23years old n live in India so no Biotest supps available.[/quote]
I was training and competing as a natural athlete since I was 16, so I had a good 7 years of training and dieting and training before I started my first cycle at 22. I won my first two shows without a perfect diet and very little knowledge so after talking with a few knowledgeable people (athletes and coaches) they told me that I should take it more seriously and I listened. I learned everything I possibly could about bodybuilding diets and training, them by the time I hit my next show at a national level I was already way bigger and in the best condition of my life(at that point) ended up placing top 5 and I got my pro card pretty soon after that. I have kept improving every year up until today.
I think Biotest does ship to India, I have some clients there who use it. My best advice is to max your natural potential before even thinking about touching drugs. At least 5 years of solid and consistent improvements in training, strength, physique and diet. Continually try to learn through reading and speaking with other knowledgable people. The most important thing to remember is that this sport takes time, if you try to progress too quickly without using intelligent means you will just do harm for yourself.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]alvertos wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow any early predictions about the O?phil wins again?i have met him and seems like a cool guy,dont understand the hating for the guy…
also a recent pic of mine in the gym,delts- biceps- triceps critique please(i am the right guy)
[/quote]
Competed with him on more than one occasion and he’s very arrogant to say the least… I can see why other pros and people in the industry dislike him. I have no problem with him personally but I see where the problem comes from.
Predictions… Always depends who comes ready on that day and what kind of improvements they make. If the miracle happens and everyone comes in condition(this is never the case) or unless someone did insane improvements over the past year this is how I would see it. I think it will be very similar to last year.
1.Phil
2. Kai (if Kai isn’t 100% Dennis will take this)
3. Dennis
4. Shawn
5. Ramy (if he comes in 100% condition it can shuffle the whole prediction, this is a big IF)
You look the same as you looked last week, did something change?
[/quote]
well just the clen i have taken it for 2 weeks and i think i am a little harder,just a few guys in the gym have said that i need more forearms an biceps to balance my delts and triceps(not that i ask for their opinion…)
i see about heath,being arrogant isnt a good idea generally!
no love for dex or roelly?dex is my current favorite physique,seems complete to me,except for the calves,i would like to see him top 3!
Roelly is a freak,i think he deserved to be placed higher last year!i hope top 5 this year would be more fair if he comes in shape.[/quote]
That’s good that you’re harder now, best advice is not to listen to every clown in the gym… As you know, opinions are like assholes and everyone has one! You look good so keep training hard and try to gain overall size slowly, you’ll get there.
Structurally, Dexter is perfect but compared to the other guys I mentioned he’s just lacking in size. I just think that it will be hard to him to make top 5 if everyone else is coming perfectly. If it’s going with aesthetics/structure then Dexter and Rhoden will do well. As for roelly, I completely agree and he’s also one of the nicest guys on the circuit by the way. If he comes in 100% condition he can move up a place or row from last year, but he has yet to dial it in.[/quote]
thanks for the support man,i really appreciate it!i hope you place well on your next show,win it if possible!
good to hear that roelly is a nice guy!is dex polite? i have read some stories that is not very frienly?anyway amazing body just smaller than the others…
since you are in the game for so long any crazy stories from back in the day with guys like craig titus or others?no need to tell names just some fun stories to break the monotony of drug advices!
Hi Shadow,
thank you for previous answer couple pages back. Now my question is about cycle. I will wait and get ready after surgery. My main concernt is about strength plus I can be tested. So no way to use steroids with long detection time as nandrolone.
I was using different test with some oral like stanozol, anavar.
This year I was thinking about:
test-e - 100mg/week
equipoise - 400mg and up to 600mg/week
dianabol - 25mg/day
because of the equipoise its 12 weeks cycle. So if you say that its ok. there should be hcg as well?
Or what you think about using halo for strength and would be enough with test-e?
Thank you
[quote]thor159 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]thor159 wrote:
What would you recommend as a first cycle for someone willing to see how would the substances work on his body?
Would a 1 compound, oral only be worth it at all?[/quote]
It really depends on the situation. This is extremely general, in some cases this could work but please give me more details if it’s something you are wanting to try for yourself.
[/quote]
I thought interesting the idea of running 1 compound only for the first cycle to see how the body would respond to that, instead of mixing several and now knowing exactly how the body responds to each one of them.
I had mild gyno when entering puberty (natural reasons) and that’s why I am a bit concernet with test before I really know how the body would respond to different compounds.
I had a look into a Anavar only cycle but I found mixed opinions around. Some say it’s really great and work wonders and some others say it’s silly and stupid to ever run something without test. It got me interested especially that it’s said to help a lot with hardness, strenght and also a little on the side of fat burning.
I asked previously if a 1 compound only cycle would be any worth it cause I’ve already heard before that you should look to take as much as you can out of your first cycle so you can use the full potential of your receptors since you’ve never used anything before.
I am not really looking to get massive and gain tons of weight, just a dry and harder look and mostly lean gains.
Cheers.
[/quote]
A one compound cycle can work, it’s not the optimal choice but it will definitely give you results. Only try this is you are under 10% bodyfat otherwise you won’t see any significant gains, the hard and lean look will be more profound if you are starting with a low bf level.
Because you’ve had problems in the past with gyno, I would keep nolva and HCG on hand incase you get shut down (which is unlikely but still possible). Your best options for an oral only cycle would be anavar, tbol or winstrol. You don’t HAVE to run test with everything, it probably a good idea but you’ll get results without it.
I would never recommend anyone to do an all out full blown first cycle, it’s dangerous and stupid. It won’t give you as much as you think. The body responds better to gradual change.
[quote]Bling82 wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Bling82 wrote:
Hey shadow
Denmark here. A little about myself, 179cm, 85kg (shredded for competition and no water)
Im 31 years now and been training since i was around 16 years.
Ive read the entite thread and just wanted to hear your comments about my supplements:
Im getting ready for a competition in a couple of months, and then im taking a couple of months off the roids.
In the new year my plan is to gain about 5kg (about 10lbs) of lean muscle. Or at least as lean as they come
Is was thinking of running:
1-12 Test E 750mg
1-12 Tren Hex 306mg
1-8 Dianabol 40mg
1-4 IGF-1 LR3 pwo 50mcg (3x)
1-4 Humalog pwo 5-10 ui (3x)
13-24 Test E 750mg
13-24 Eq 500mg
13-20 Dianabol 40mg
13-16 IGF-1 LR3 pwo 50mcg (3x)
13-16 Humalog pwo 5-10 ui (3x)
(Ive been doing cycles before)
As for the food i was going to be around the 4500-5000kcal all depending on how my body reacts. Dont want to get over the 10-11 in bf%.
Hit me with your honest oppinion. Any thoughts?[/quote]
Can you post a picture and give me the breakdown of your macros.
How many cycles have you done before? This is a very LONG cycle. You should be very advanced if you are staying on for 24 weeks in a row. Just by the look of it I can give you a few General suggestions.
-do Humalog preworkout and use Plazma intraworkout, what you’re doing intra right now is hurting you and not helping you. Intraworkout nutrition is the most important thing especially when using insulin. 10iu Humalog preworkout and 2.5 servings of Plazma
-don’t waste money on igf-1 unless it’s from the pharmacy, just buy GH
-change cla and omega 3 to Flameout, it’s got the perfect balance of EPA,DHA and CLA together
-if you are experienced you could go a little higher with the eq, for mass gaining purposes you need to push it a bit higher.
Post a pic and I will be able to give you better suggestions.
[/quote]
Ive done about 6-7 cycles (offseason/competition)
Why not run insulin AFTER the workout?
What about the rest of the supplements?
Im about 10 weeks out from competition. Still have a lot of fat (and water)
[/quote]
Your cycle is way too long, I would expect to see much more from someone who has been on juice that long. You look good, but I think your staying on drugs for too long and it’s probably hurting you. It’s not they your dosages are high it’s just a very long cycle. Also, you might want to think about adding some hcg and nolvadex, I didn’t see any mention of it and with such a long cycle it’s something you need to do.
Studies have shown that the best time to spike your insulin is during your workout and your body will be able to absorb and utilize the nutrition that you consume much better than if you were to take it post workout. The famous post workout window isn’t as important as we used to think. If you have a good intraworkout shake like Plazma then you don’t need to eat immediately after the workout, you can wait til you get home and have a solid meal. I never said that you CANT take it post workout, I just said that taking it preworkout is the best option. You don’t have to take my word for it, you can look for recent studies and other peoples personal results.
Everything I mentioned before about the supplements as well as adding the Plazma to your intraworkout even if you aren’t doing the insulin pre workout. So you need to fix your intraworkout, it currently sucks but the rest of the supps are fine.
I would go off right after your competition and do a proper pct ASAP.
