Q&A with Shadow Pro

Pinkylifting · June 26, 2014, 9:11pm

[quote]dlrob wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dlrob wrote:
Here’s my background: I’m 48,been lifting since high school.I’m 6ft,210. Don’t know my bodyfat but I’m relatively lean and can see my abs. Haven’t had my test levels checked but I feel fine and have morning wood, libido is great.
I know everyone blasts oral only cycles but due to my job I can’t do the type of cycle I want because it can’t be obvious I’m on something. Here’s the plan:50 mgs/day of T-bol for 8 weeks. Nolva40/40/20/20.I’m not expecting to win the Olympia, I would just like a little boost.

Two questions:Would this cycle work and do I need to change anything? At my age, would that PCT be the best to regain my test levels? I’m not sure how suppressive T-bol is and how hard it would be to regain my natural production.
Thanks for the help.[/quote]

Thanks for posting. How suppressing this cycle would be is individual, some wouldn’t have any problems at all while others could suffer. Just FYI- you said you didn’t want your cycle to look obvious, but tbol is a weaker version of dbol so you will experience some of the same side effects. You will have some water retention, it won’t be the same as it you took dbol but it will definitely be there. If you want something that is less obvious you can look into trying anavar or winstrol as an oral only cycle, it will give you a harder and leaner look.

As for your pct, it’s fine but I would have HCG on hand so you can use it during or after the cycle if you notice a drop in libido. It’s not likely but some people are very sensitive so it’s always good to have just incase. At your age, being on a natural test booster like AlphaMale is a good idea during the cycle as it will encourage your body to keep producing testosterone.
[/quote]

Thank you so much for the help, it’s much appreciated. One more question. I can’t afford anavar, so other than t_bol my only other choice is winstrol. With lifting, MMA, and several surgeries I tend to have joint pains. Would the winstrol make this worse or is that an individual thing? Once again, thanks for taking the time to do this.[/quote]

Follow up Q to this one. Regarding the joint pain, ive read a couple of studies showing that winstrol increases collagen synthesis and thereby improves joint strength and recovery. Is it possible this is the cause of the joint pain, being ‘growing pains’ alike those felt by some during growth spurts?

Portierken · June 26, 2014, 9:40pm

Hey Shadow Pro,
First I want to thank you for your professional advice… It’s very informative.

I have a question about Chinese HGH. You said they all are bunk.
But where I live there is 99% chance that the pharma grade HGH is fake.
So I used Hygetropin (hygetropin.cn) for a couple months.
I think they do work at 6IU a day.
Have you tried this generic hgh? Do you think it’s complete bunk?

The second question is: Do you lower your dosage of tren when you try to bulk?
If I use more then 400mg of tren my appetite is very low
I always used deca for bulking but I don’t like it anymore.
I use 700mg tren for cutting. Should 400mg tren be enough for bulking?
I use sustanon and Equipose with it.

Thanks!

CxTucker · June 26, 2014, 9:50pm

Do you have any experience with orals such as epistane, M1T, or superdrol (wide category I know). If so, what are your thoughts on each? I know you aren’t a big fan of PH’s, so not sure how in depth you can go on these.

I know a couple of high level athletes / competitors who use each of them during various AAS cycles. They say they wouldn’t even touch them unless they were on solid cycles though, which I 100% agree with.

Not asking for PH advice, but more so your take on these specifics.

stingkong · June 27, 2014, 2:31am

Thank you so much Shadow for taking the time to do this, share so much knowledge, and to do it consistently for almost a month straight!

Background:
Since my teenaged years my weight is something I’ve struggled with. I’m now around 25% BF. I go through bursts of fitness and then bursts where I focus on other areas of my life (letting the exercise and diet go). I have a stressful job. I sit most of the day and travel often.

3 months ago I started taking test-c @ 150 mg per week to treat low test levels (low 300’s). I also tuned up my diet and dedicated myself to lifting. Within a week I lost 10 lbs. The second month I continued to see good progress. Now in the 3rd month, I’m starting to plateau. Worse, for the last week I have been feeling low energy (unmotivated, withdrawn, tired, frustrated…maybe E2 spike?) and HUNGRY.

My doc has also prescribed me 25 mcg of T3 for low thyroid. I’ve taken it regularly for about a year.

Goals:
I want to reach 9% body fat, then focus on adding muscle.

Training:
I’m using a 5-day split, focused on hypertrophy. I’m averaging 400-500 calories burned in 45-60 min of lifting. I also do 1 day of cardio also burning about 500 calories in about 45-60 min.

Diet:
For the past 3 months I’ve averaged:
Avg calories: 1,974
Avg protein: 170g (34%)
Avg carb: 165g (33%)
Avg fat: 72g (33%)

Pre-workout: a greek yogurt
Post-workout: a protein shake
Morning snack: quest bar or fruit
Lunch: varies, usually a double protein serving with a salad
Afternoon snack: fruit, jerky, greek yogurt, or (recently) quest bar
Dinner: home cooked fish, chicken breast, ground turkey, or lean ground beef, with green veggies (and a sweet potato on day’s I’ve remained low calorie)
Evening snack: I usually finish with another greek yogurt

Future plans:
In the next 2 weeks I intend to start a 10 week blast @ 400 mg test-c and to begin training using the PHAT style program.

Questions:

Is the low energy I’ve been feeling in this last week normal? Is there some blood work I should do or something in my diet or training that I should change? If it is E2, would it come after 2 months of fairly stable test-c use for nearly 3 months @ 150 mg?
What can I do to improve my diet? As I mentioned, I feel like I’ve plateaued. What else can I do to continue losing fat?
What do you think of me blasting at this point? Part of me feels like I need the hormones to have the energy to continue working at this level. Am I lying to myself?
Any other suggestions with someone with my lifestyle or body type?

Thanks again for taking the time to read and respond, you input so far has been very helpful!

Tweeder · June 27, 2014, 9:41am

Some of you guys really gotta up your fucking protein!

Shadow_Pro · June 27, 2014, 11:55am

[quote]dlrob wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dlrob wrote:
Here’s my background: I’m 48,been lifting since high school.I’m 6ft,210. Don’t know my bodyfat but I’m relatively lean and can see my abs. Haven’t had my test levels checked but I feel fine and have morning wood, libido is great.
I know everyone blasts oral only cycles but due to my job I can’t do the type of cycle I want because it can’t be obvious I’m on something. Here’s the plan:50 mgs/day of T-bol for 8 weeks. Nolva40/40/20/20.I’m not expecting to win the Olympia, I would just like a little boost.

Two questions:Would this cycle work and do I need to change anything? At my age, would that PCT be the best to regain my test levels? I’m not sure how suppressive T-bol is and how hard it would be to regain my natural production.
Thanks for the help.[/quote]

Thanks for posting. How suppressing this cycle would be is individual, some wouldn’t have any problems at all while others could suffer. Just FYI- you said you didn’t want your cycle to look obvious, but tbol is a weaker version of dbol so you will experience some of the same side effects. You will have some water retention, it won’t be the same as it you took dbol but it will definitely be there. If you want something that is less obvious you can look into trying anavar or winstrol as an oral only cycle, it will give you a harder and leaner look.

As for your pct, it’s fine but I would have HCG on hand so you can use it during or after the cycle if you notice a drop in libido. It’s not likely but some people are very sensitive so it’s always good to have just incase. At your age, being on a natural test booster like AlphaMale is a good idea during the cycle as it will encourage your body to keep producing testosterone.
[/quote]

Thank you so much for the help, it’s much appreciated. One more question. I can’t afford anavar, so other than t_bol my only other choice is winstrol. With lifting, MMA, and several surgeries I tend to have joint pains. Would the winstrol make this worse or is that an individual thing? Once again, thanks for taking the time to do this.[/quote]

If that’s the case, my instinct would say to stick with the tbol. Winstrol might cause joint issues for some but not for others but considering you already have some issues I would stick with the tbol.

Shadow_Pro · June 27, 2014, 12:00pm

[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:
Thanks for all your help so far shadow, so refreshing to br able to vpice and see voiced all these wuestions without instant ridicule and agressive responses. Worst case scenario you tell a much needed harsh truth with constructive criticism and its a great read.

This question may sound a little benign but i am somewhat of a perfectionist.

With regards to compounds with very short half lives, I was wondering what your opinion was on split doses for more constant concentrations vs single doses for a higher concentration at key times.

My interest is specifically in splitting winstrol 25mg am and 25mg PM, vs 50mg a few hours pre workout. But would be interested to know your opinion on the concept generally.[/quote]

I’m happy to help everyone as long as their questions are too the point. With substances that have a short half life you are right, it would be wiser to split them to keep them more stable in the body. In the big picture, the differences will be very mild. It comes down to if you will actually remember to take the pills twice, that’s usually the issue here. If you do take it twice, the best times to take them would be preworkout and before bed. Some substances are absorbed better by the body in a resting state.

Shadow_Pro · June 27, 2014, 12:09pm

[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow any early predictions about the O?phil wins again?i have met him and seems like a cool guy,dont understand the hating for the guy…
also a recent pic of mine in the gym,delts- biceps- triceps critique please(i am the right guy)
[/quote]

Competed with him on more than one occasion and he’s very arrogant to say the least… I can see why other pros and people in the industry dislike him. I have no problem with him personally but I see where the problem comes from.

Predictions… Always depends who comes ready on that day and what kind of improvements they make. If the miracle happens and everyone comes in condition(this is never the case) or unless someone did insane improvements over the past year this is how I would see it. I think it will be very similar to last year.
1.Phil
2. Kai (if Kai isn’t 100% Dennis will take this)
3. Dennis
4. Shawn
5. Ramy (if he comes in 100% condition it can shuffle the whole prediction, this is a big IF)

You look the same as you looked last week, did something change?

Shadow_Pro · June 27, 2014, 12:10pm

[quote]Pinkylifting wrote:

[quote]dlrob wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dlrob wrote:
Here’s my background: I’m 48,been lifting since high school.I’m 6ft,210. Don’t know my bodyfat but I’m relatively lean and can see my abs. Haven’t had my test levels checked but I feel fine and have morning wood, libido is great.
I know everyone blasts oral only cycles but due to my job I can’t do the type of cycle I want because it can’t be obvious I’m on something. Here’s the plan:50 mgs/day of T-bol for 8 weeks. Nolva40/40/20/20.I’m not expecting to win the Olympia, I would just like a little boost.

Two questions:Would this cycle work and do I need to change anything? At my age, would that PCT be the best to regain my test levels? I’m not sure how suppressive T-bol is and how hard it would be to regain my natural production.
Thanks for the help.[/quote]

Thanks for posting. How suppressing this cycle would be is individual, some wouldn’t have any problems at all while others could suffer. Just FYI- you said you didn’t want your cycle to look obvious, but tbol is a weaker version of dbol so you will experience some of the same side effects. You will have some water retention, it won’t be the same as it you took dbol but it will definitely be there. If you want something that is less obvious you can look into trying anavar or winstrol as an oral only cycle, it will give you a harder and leaner look.

As for your pct, it’s fine but I would have HCG on hand so you can use it during or after the cycle if you notice a drop in libido. It’s not likely but some people are very sensitive so it’s always good to have just incase. At your age, being on a natural test booster like AlphaMale is a good idea during the cycle as it will encourage your body to keep producing testosterone.
[/quote]

Thank you so much for the help, it’s much appreciated. One more question. I can’t afford anavar, so other than t_bol my only other choice is winstrol. With lifting, MMA, and several surgeries I tend to have joint pains. Would the winstrol make this worse or is that an individual thing? Once again, thanks for taking the time to do this.[/quote]

Follow up Q to this one. Regarding the joint pain, ive read a couple of studies showing that winstrol increases collagen synthesis and thereby improves joint strength and recovery. Is it possible this is the cause of the joint pain, being ‘growing pains’ alike those felt by some during growth spurts? [/quote]

No, it’s not the same pain… Winstrol makes your joints drier (less fluid around the joint) this is what causes the pain. For some people it might cause some issues.

Shadow_Pro · June 27, 2014, 12:17pm

[quote]Portierken wrote:
Hey Shadow Pro,
First I want to thank you for your professional advice… It’s very informative.

I have a question about Chinese HGH. You said they all are bunk.
But where I live there is 99% chance that the pharma grade HGH is fake.
So I used Hygetropin (hygetropin.cn) for a couple months.
I think they do work at 6IU a day.
Have you tried this generic hgh? Do you think it’s complete bunk?

The second question is: Do you lower your dosage of tren when you try to bulk?
If I use more then 400mg of tren my appetite is very low
I always used deca for bulking but I don’t like it anymore.
I use 700mg tren for cutting. Should 400mg tren be enough for bulking?
I use sustanon and Equipose with it.

Thanks!
[/quote]

GH in china isn’t legal anymore without prescription, it used to be and the brand you mentioned was decent about 10 years ago. Today everything that comes from china is bunk. When you say it works, what are you seeing from this? If it’s something you have to think about or it’s not clear then it’s probably not real, the results you are getting from real GH is very obvious. There are fakes everywhere, so your best bet is to try and get it from a pharmacy if you have access to it.

I’m not sure what your cycle history is, but 700mg of tren is a lot unless you are a very experienced user. I’m very surprised that when you are using eq and tren you have appetite problems, it’s not common and im not sure what else you are doing in terms of drugs, diet and training. Best idea would be to get some blood work done to make sure everything is okay. It could also be the quality of the gear you are using because tren, test and eq together should make you feel very hungry, strong and happy! Tren is not supposed to suppress appetite.

Shadow_Pro · June 27, 2014, 12:28pm

[quote]CxTucker wrote:
Do you have any experience with orals such as epistane, M1T, or superdrol (wide category I know). If so, what are your thoughts on each? I know you aren’t a big fan of PH’s, so not sure how in depth you can go on these.

I know a couple of high level athletes / competitors who use each of them during various AAS cycles. They say they wouldn’t even touch them unless they were on solid cycles though, which I 100% agree with.

Not asking for PH advice, but more so your take on these specifics.[/quote]

It’s not that prohormones don’t work, the problem is that you never know the exact dose you are getting or the quality. I find that people experience far worse side effects from these than regular juice… They work very similar to steroids so you can imagine how risky it is to take something that is unknown, you are unable to protect yourself accordingly and sometimes even hard to know what to stack with it.

I’ve used these things many years ago and I didn’t see any huge benefit, the major downside for me was that my liver enzymes skyrocketed and this was enough to steer me away from these for good. It happened on every occasion that I tried these, so that’s how I pinpointed the problem. I have never had any issues to this severity from regular juice.

Bling82 · June 27, 2014, 1:46pm

Hey shadow

Denmark here. A little about myself, 179cm, 85kg (shredded for competition and no water)

Im 31 years now and been training since i was around 16 years.

Ive read the entite thread and just wanted to hear your comments about my supplements:

Multivitamin (x2)
Omega 3 Fish Oil ( 1000mg x 3)
CLA ( 1000mg x 3)
BCAA ( 10g intraworkout, 20g postworkout)
Vitamin C ( 1000mg x3)
Vitamin E ( 400 iu)
Milk Thistle
Glutamine ( after training)
ZMA (before bed)

Im getting ready for a competition in a couple of months, and then im taking a couple of months off the roids.

In the new year my plan is to gain about 5kg (about 10lbs) of lean muscle. Or at least as lean as they come

Is was thinking of running:

1-12 Test E 750mg
1-12 Tren Hex 306mg
1-8 Dianabol 40mg
1-4 IGF-1 LR3 pwo 50mcg (3x)
1-4 Humalog pwo 5-10 ui (3x)

13-24 Test E 750mg
13-24 Eq 500mg
13-20 Dianabol 40mg
13-16 IGF-1 LR3 pwo 50mcg (3x)
13-16 Humalog pwo 5-10 ui (3x)

(Ive been doing cycles before)

As for the food i was going to be around the 4500-5000kcal all depending on how my body reacts. Dont want to get over the 10-11 in bf%.

Hit me with your honest oppinion. Any thoughts?

therajraj · June 27, 2014, 5:58pm

Shadow,

If I go on a two week vacation and go 2 weeks between injections of Test C would that be bad? Would my libido crash?

What if I were to shoot Sust which has 100mg of Test Dec in it prior? Would that keep me in healthy levels for those 2 weeks?

Or what about shooting Test U?

Rottmeyer · June 27, 2014, 6:05pm

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Portierken wrote:
Hey Shadow Pro,
First I want to thank you for your professional advice… It’s very informative.

I have a question about Chinese HGH. You said they all are bunk.
But where I live there is 99% chance that the pharma grade HGH is fake.
So I used Hygetropin (hygetropin.cn) for a couple months.
I think they do work at 6IU a day.
Have you tried this generic hgh? Do you think it’s complete bunk?

The second question is: Do you lower your dosage of tren when you try to bulk?
If I use more then 400mg of tren my appetite is very low
I always used deca for bulking but I don’t like it anymore.
I use 700mg tren for cutting. Should 400mg tren be enough for bulking?
I use sustanon and Equipose with it.

Thanks!
[/quote]

GH in china isn’t legal anymore without prescription, it used to be and the brand you mentioned was decent about 10 years ago. Today everything that comes from china is bunk. When you say it works, what are you seeing from this? If it’s something you have to think about or it’s not clear then it’s probably not real, the results you are getting from real GH is very obvious. There are fakes everywhere, so your best bet is to try and get it from a pharmacy if you have access to it.

I’m not sure what your cycle history is, but 700mg of tren is a lot unless you are a very experienced user. I’m very surprised that when you are using eq and tren you have appetite problems, it’s not common and im not sure what else you are doing in terms of drugs, diet and training. Best idea would be to get some blood work done to make sure everything is okay. It could also be the quality of the gear you are using because tren, test and eq together should make you feel very hungry, strong and happy! Tren is not supposed to suppress appetite.[/quote]
Sorry for jumping in.
I been running Hygetropin for 2-3 months now, in my cutting period. 2,5iu morning and 2,5iu pre-workout.
I just want to tell my experience with Hygetropin. I’am loosing fat alot more faster. I have better recovery, keeping muscle and strength is more steady, then cutting without GH, in a low cal diet.
My skin is cleared. I work as a metal worker, and i often get wounds and burning marks on my hands and body from welding. And they heal so much faster then normal.
My hair is also feeling different, like stronger and stiff. Hard to explain.

I have been dealing with Tendonitis i my left knee for about 1,5 year, and that is gone now.
And my sleep is so good. I can sleep for 10hours straight, and I haven’t done that since i was a kid.
I’am really not here to hype it, just my experience with it. Never tried pharma grade GH, because I don,t have the access to it right now. But i hope some day i will.

What’s your favorite pharma grade GH, if you have one.?? Or that maybe doesn’t matter as long as it’s pharma.??

Thanks Mr Shadow Pro for all your great answers.

mati96 · June 27, 2014, 3:08pm

First of all Shadow pro thank you for putting so much work into this thread and helping people, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate it

And here we go with my questions,

What do you think make a body look aesthetic?
What a you favorite country to travel in?
What is the most awesome show beside the Mr O?
What makes the difference between a good amateur and a pro?
How annoying is it to answer the same questions over and over again?
What is your opion about zyzz?
Who is the nicest person in the industry?
Any good tips for someone who have dreams to archieve something in the inudstry?

Sorry for bad gramma and greetings from Denmark

KaiMrO14 · June 27, 2014, 5:29pm

Hey shadow i really appreciate u doing this, its really nice of you :))) now to my details and question:

20 years old
About 2,5 years of serious weight training
185cm tall
93kg approx 13% bf

At the moment im cutting, i want to get down to about 9-10% bf, i dont see any reason to get lower since im not competeing yet.
I want to do my first cycle when im done cutting, here it is:
1-12 500mg test e EW. Very basic
The pct im not so sure about yet i was hoping u could help with that.

So now to the questions:
1: what do u think about the cycle? Should i even be doing it already?
2: can u give ur example of good pct for that cycle?
3: can i start hgh at the same time? My knees and elbows are bugging me abit from time to time so i was hoping that hgh could help.
4: should i hire a coach right away or can i wait?

Greetings from an aspiring bodybuilder

thor159 · June 27, 2014, 5:35pm

What would you recommend as a first cycle for someone willing to see how would the substances work on his body?

Would a 1 compound, oral only be worth it at all?

patrick34 · June 27, 2014, 8:03pm

Hello there,
I train for quite some years but suffers health, mild heart failure, so I do not just use some steroid like Clembuterol problem, I think staying in a weight of 90kg very dry so I thought of associating with Turinabol testosterone and Masteron, what do you think of the secondary effects of this association? and positive effect?
thank you

Shadow_Pro · June 28, 2014, 2:10am

[quote]stingkong wrote:
Thank you so much Shadow for taking the time to do this, share so much knowledge, and to do it consistently for almost a month straight!