Q&A with Shadow Pro

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[quote]anvilTX wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]anvilTX wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]anvilTX wrote:
Thanks for all of the great insight/advice. For someone who is not competing but still wanting the most out of their cycles, would you recommend the standard 12-16 week long ester cycles, 6-8 week short ester, or a form of b&c for a certain period of time. My stats, H- 6’2 W-265 15% BF 515 S/325 B/ 550 D[/quote]

And thank you for following… What is your cycle history? Goals(strength, gaining size, getting lean?) Current diet/training? Give me some info and I’ll be happy to help.
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Currently leaning out to the 10-12 bf% to set myself up to gain lean mass as long as possible. I’ve been training for 8 years. Currently following a mountain dog diet(high protein/high fat/moderate carbs) and train on a high volume 6 day split. I work a labor intensive job so recovery is huge, which my intra workout supp has helped a lot. I’ve currently ran 3 cycles.

  1. 500mg test 12 wks/dbol 30mg 4 wks.
  2. 500mg test 12 wks/ dbol 50mg 6 wks
  3. 750mg test 12 wks/ dbol 50mg 6 wks
    Each cycle I ran adex on and pct with nolva clomid.

Thanks!
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I’m going to give you 2 options for each cycle styles you mentioned 1 will be considered light/medium and 2 will be more advanced for experienced user.

With 8 years of training, a decent diet and a few cycles under your belt… It would be your choice which option to choose you can go either way.

Long esters cycle

  1. 750mg test-e or test-c
    600mg of eq
    12-16 weeks
    Turinabol 50mg ED (first 6 weeks)
    HCG 250iu every 3rd day
    Nolvadex 20mg/day or arimidex 1mg every 3rd day
    2.1g test-e or test-c
    600mg tren-e
    800mg eq
    Turinabol or dbol 70-100mg ED (week 1-4 60mg, week 5-6 80mg, week 7-8 100mg)
    500iu of HCG every 3rd day
    Nolva @ 20mg/day or arimidex @ 1mg every 2-3 days.

Short ester cycles:

  1. Test-p 100mg EOD
    Mast-p 100mg EOD
    Anavar 60 mg/ day
    Nolva 10-20mg/day or Adex 1mg every 3rd day
    HCG 250iu every 3rd day
  2. Test-p 150mg EOD
    Tren-A 100mg EOD
    Mast-p 100mg EOD
    Winstrol (oral) 50mg everyday
    Nolva/arimidex same as option 1
    HCG 500iu every 3rd day

B+C
Depends on your original dose, usually about 1/2 of the dose is good to cruise on. Continue to run nolva and HCG during this time.

If you’re completely mentally stable and you’re not an edgy person then the tren would be a great addition. It will give you great gains, hardness and strength… There’s nothing like it but people can be sensitive to the side effects so always start low.
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Thanks so much for the info. As far as blasting and cruising for an extended time, lets say 8-10 months of a year. Is this something you’d recommend only to someone competing, of a certain age, etc. And what is your general rule of thumb for cruise times? 1 wk cruise per 1 wk blast? Your doing this forum a huge service!
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If someone isn’t competing then I wouldn’t recommend to go that long. The most I would do is 3 month blast, 2-3 month cruise… The cruise can be a bit shorter than the blast but not by much a good ratio is 5 day cruise for every 1 week blast(it’s general). After doing a 3 month blast and 2-3 month cruise I would do an aggressive pct and detox before doing this again. 8-10 months would only be worth if for someone who is competing at a relatively high level.

Remember there’s always some risk or health issues that comes along with this use and the longer you are on, the bigger risks you are taking.

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[quote]

a BIG thanks here Shadow.
appreciate you take your time to reply me.
definitely will follow what you say. [/quote]

Anytime! You’re doing a great job with training and diet and I’m looking forward to seeing how you progress, keep it up.

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[quote]rober69_rc wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rober69_rc wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rober69_rc wrote:
Thanks for all Shadow. What is your opinion about a dosage of 20iu humalog 15’preworkout and intraworkout take 200grs carbs from plazma and 90’later 150grs of carbs from sweet potato+rice? You see a logical amount of insuline for those carbs?

Thank you bro, I am learning so much with you.[/quote]

Basic ratio to start with is 10g for 1iu. 20iu and 200g of Plazma will work. If you are doing this I hope you have a lot of experience with insulin because it’s not something to play around with, that’s pretty high dose. If you are doing this amount you won’t be eating 90 min later, you should be still training at this time if you are doing so much insulin(2 hrs minimum) post workout meal with that amount of sweet potatoes or rice is fine with an adequate amount of protein but no fat, if you are doing Humalog keep in mind it’s active in your system for 4 hours so don’t have your fat around this time.

You don’t need to have that amount of carbs post workout, technically you are covering what you need with the Plazma. If you are trying to gain then it could be appropriate but it depends on your diet. [/quote]

Thank you so much.

I weight 180lbs 180cms and 11%Bf (witg dexa).

The next seasson I wanna improve a lot of my phisyque to contest on classic bb.

How do you look the next diet:
-Pr 250gr
-Ch 400gr
-Ft 50gr
3100kcal about

Ch around the workout and fat At the end of the day.

A thousands thanks!
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This will be a good place to start for gaining purposes. You can adjust the carbs according to your progress, as long as you don’t see fat accumulation. I would increase the protein to about 275-300. Your fat before bed is great and same for carbs around workout time. 200g of those being from the Plazma intraworkout.

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Thank you shadow, I’ll take your tips like a religion. lOL.
What cycle would you recomend to get good gains? I am natty. I workout from 4 years and I am 26 years old.

Thank you man.
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First of all, are you just curious about the insulin? You mention that you are natural and you appear to be doing good as a natural athlete, for a first cycle I would never recommend adding any insulin, especially 20ius because it’s extremely dangerous. Wait until you’ve done a few cycles and have more experience before even touching it.

Since it’s your first cycle, I would recommend doing something very light and small.
This would be something to consider:
Test-p 75mg EOD
Winstrol@50mg/day OR Anavar @ 50mg/day
10mg/day nolvadex
250iu HCG every 3rd day

I’m looking at your photos and had a few questions…are you planning on competing?(if so, which division?) how tall are you?

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[quote]pennstate29 wrote:
Hey Shadow,

Quick queston for you, I am 26, currently 235 with 20ish BF. I am strength oriented but currently I am trying to lean out bit to get healthier and make it easier to bulk while maintaining what I have. What would you suggest running with strength goals in mind and being in a caloric deficit, if anything? Thanks for everything your doing here![/quote]

Hey, I need some more info in order to help you better.

How many previous cycles and what were they? What is your diet and training like? Supplement use? At 20% bf I would first of all suggest fixing up your diet and bringing that down before doing anything. Probably adding some fat burners (ECA or HOT-ROX), and if you want something Rx you could go with t3 or clenbuterol. GH in low dosages is also great for fat burning.

If you can post a picture that would be great. Otherwise the info I give you has to be very general.

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[quote]CW298 wrote:
Hey Shadow I want to increase my power clean because I compete in explosive athletics. I’m going to run Oral Winnie with a SARM. 1 pill of winnie a day for 10 days then 2 pills a day for the following 20. The SARM will be 2 pills a day lasting 30 days. What are you thoughts on that improving my fast twitch muscle fibers for my power clean and can you get gyno from winnie? [/quote]

Can you please give me the dosages and be more specific, 1 pill doesn’t mean much to me. For all I know it could be 2.5mg or 50mg.

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[quote]05limited wrote:
So shadow,

I’ve lurked on this forum for awhile but just finally decided to join the forum to ask you a question.

I’m on 2500iu of hcg Monday and Thursday for TRT. My endo wants to check my test levels again in a month. My original levels were 295 on a 1350 scale. I would like to start some Deca for a lubrication dose (100mg 1x a week). So my question is this. How far will the Deca dose skew my test numbers? I know Deca will suppress my natural levels but will it have any effect on me because I’m on such a high dose of hcg?

Thanks already. [/quote]

It’s possible that the deca can effect your natural test level even in a low dose (depends on the individual) if I were you I’d wait a month until your tests.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Is hcg really necessary for someone who is permanently blasting and cruising?[/quote]

If you want to have kids at some point then definitely use it and if you want to keep your libido high it’s an excellent tool for that(even if you are on test all the time). If you decide not to take it and like to have your balls looking like raisins then by all means skip it.

You never know where life is going to take you and you might have to stop this at some point, so your best bet is to use it and be safe or you could land in a really bad place. Also, I’m against being on gear permanently without breaks so it just doesn’t sounds like a good idea to mess with.

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[quote]powerbuilder57 wrote:
i am using tren ace at 60mg ed plus testo e 250mg per week
i was thinking that if i inject the same muscles over time would it be like injecting SEO
because the oil will make the muscle expand more???[/quote]

There is a lot of info floating around regarding this subject. After all you are injecting oil into the muscle so obviously the muscle will appear this way but the oil dissipates over time so it’s nothing permanent. Bottom line, site injection won’t make your muscles bigger… However, training this specific muscle harder will!

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[quote]Batman00 wrote:
I heard if you pin one muscle group like crazy, it irritates it and will cause growth with training of course. [/quote]

Infections and scar tissue sound like fun.

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[quote]alvertos wrote:
thank you very much for your detailed answer,much appreciated!i will put down a new program based on your suggestions and i will try to imrove!about clen i already have it so how would you use it if you were me?[/quote]

The way you were using it is fine but lower the dose.

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[quote]CW298 wrote:
What are your thoughts on anavar vs winstrol? Side effects wise, strength wise, physique wise, and how long are each in your system afterwards drug test wise?[/quote]

Anavar: One of the mildest steroids out there.For males it will give minimal strength gains(females would experience significant strength gains)It will give you a harder look and the effects are much greater if the bodyfat is lower to start with. It’s an excellent choice for beginners and side effects are very minimal(often none). There is very little or no water retention.

Winstrol: Much more aggressive. It will give good/great strength gains. It can be hard on the joints. Can be found as an injectable or an oral. Makes you hard and more vascular. No water retention. People think it’s a mild drug for females but it’s far from the truth and they can get severe side effects from it.

As for drug testing…winstrol could be in your system up to 6 months and anavar 3-4 weeks (depending on testing protocols)

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[quote]pedro1597 wrote:
Hi shadow, im going to go off the topic of steroids, as i wanna know more about the pro’s diets.
What are your thoughts on fruit consumption(off and pre-contest), gluten,dairy and red meat, all recent diet-free trends. Thank you very much![/quote]

This is very individual and people respond in a unique way to different types of food.
Fruits- can be good in the off season if they are eaten at the right time in your schedule and meal timing is huge(my favorites are bananas and berries)

Gluten- If you aren’t sensitive to gluten then there’s no problem, but if you are definitely avoid it… In my off season I eat some foods that contain gluten but not during contest prep(whole wheat pasta & Ezekiel bread).

Dairy- Greek yogurt is a great choice for my off season. I don’t use any other dairy products besides this but it adds variety to my meals. I usually cut this out at about 10 weeks before a show. I wouldn’t suggest having lots of dairy products in your diet… Not because it’s necessarily bad but there are better protein sources and if you are looking to improve your physique it’s definitely not my first choice.

Red Meat- I’m a big fan of red meat and I usually have it twice a day. I think it keeps me looking full throughout the diet.

I want to emphasize that there is no specific “pro” diet, there are so many individual factors to consider(metabolism, body type, drug protocol, training intensity, food allergies,insulin sensitivity). This is my opinion and what works best for me.

Don’t get me started on the diet trends… Most of these are absolute shit.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]CW298 wrote:
Hey Shadow I want to increase my power clean because I compete in explosive athletics. I’m going to run Oral Winnie with a SARM. 1 pill of winnie a day for 10 days then 2 pills a day for the following 20. The SARM will be 2 pills a day lasting 30 days. What are you thoughts on that improving my fast twitch muscle fibers for my power clean and can you get gyno from winnie? [/quote]

Can you please give me the dosages and be more specific, 1 pill doesn’t mean much to me. For all I know it could be 2.5mg or 50mg. [/quote]

Each pill is 10mg

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]CW298 wrote:
What are your thoughts on anavar vs winstrol? Side effects wise, strength wise, physique wise, and how long are each in your system afterwards drug test wise?[/quote]

Anavar: One of the mildest steroids out there.For males it will give minimal strength gains(females would experience significant strength gains)It will give you a harder look and the effects are much greater if the bodyfat is lower to start with. It’s an excellent choice for beginners and side effects are very minimal(often none). There is very little or no water retention.

Winstrol: Much more aggressive. It will give good/great strength gains. It can be hard on the joints. Can be found as an injectable or an oral. Makes you hard and more vascular. No water retention. People think it’s a mild drug for females but it’s far from the truth and they can get severe side effects from it.

As for drug testing…winstrol could be in your system up to 6 months and anavar 3-4 weeks (depending on testing protocols)[/quote]

So if I went on a 30 day oral cycle of winnie not eceeding 20mg, I would be able to fail a urine test for the next 6 months?

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[quote]Genk250 wrote:
Shadow pro

Im a 20 + year vet in the sport. I have won a few overalls and competed national a few tines. I’ve made top 10 before. But my goal is to have one top 5 national placing before i stop competing. My main issues is my back thickness and width. Conditioning isnt a issue as my back in contest shape is pretty detailed. But my thickness hurts me on a national stage. Im doing more of a mountaindog style of training. Putting alot of focus on getting huge pymps and using perfect form on my movements. I seem to lack thickness threw my middle and lower lats. In the pictures below i think you can see where im lacking at. I need more upper outter lat popping out to enhance my front double bi shot. And from the back i feel like i lack threwout. These are recent pics from a couple weeks ago.

Ht- 5-10
Wt- 242 (in pics) normal offseason 250lb
Contest wt- 224lbs last november 2013
Years training - 23 years
Age - 40
Goal - to be top 5 in a pro qualifier
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You look really good and congrats on the many years of training and competing.

As for your goal to place top 5 in nationals… You’ve been doing this for years so you know it’s problematic to choose a specific placing as a goal. You never know who will show up and what improvements your competitors did or didn’t do since the last show. You can only control the package you bring to stage, so just concentrate on the improvements you can make and hope for the best.

I agree that you need more overall thickness and width in your back. It’s not a simple answer and it’s hard to give specific advise without knowing your weak points in your training and if you have had or have any injuries and also your intensity and training level. If you asked me what my best two choices for thickness would be heavy deadlifts (from floor and rack) and for width would be weighted chin ups using various grip.
As a rule of thumb- vertical pulling will assist you with width and horizontal pulling will assist with thickness.

I’ve heard great things about mountaindog training but I’m not personally familiar with it and haven’t tried it myself

If you have any questions please try to be specific otherwise I can only give you general information.

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Shadow, can you keep gains after a cycle? Assuming you go completely off. Have heard many mixed opinions on this.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rober69_rc wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rober69_rc wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rober69_rc wrote:
Thanks for all Shadow. What is your opinion about a dosage of 20iu humalog 15’preworkout and intraworkout take 200grs carbs from plazma and 90’later 150grs of carbs from sweet potato+rice? You see a logical amount of insuline for those carbs?

Thank you bro, I am learning so much with you.[/quote]

Basic ratio to start with is 10g for 1iu. 20iu and 200g of Plazma will work. If you are doing this I hope you have a lot of experience with insulin because it’s not something to play around with, that’s pretty high dose. If you are doing this amount you won’t be eating 90 min later, you should be still training at this time if you are doing so much insulin(2 hrs minimum) post workout meal with that amount of sweet potatoes or rice is fine with an adequate amount of protein but no fat, if you are doing Humalog keep in mind it’s active in your system for 4 hours so don’t have your fat around this time.

You don’t need to have that amount of carbs post workout, technically you are covering what you need with the Plazma. If you are trying to gain then it could be appropriate but it depends on your diet. [/quote]

Thank you so much.

I weight 180lbs 180cms and 11%Bf (witg dexa).

The next seasson I wanna improve a lot of my phisyque to contest on classic bb.

How do you look the next diet:
-Pr 250gr
-Ch 400gr
-Ft 50gr
3100kcal about

Ch around the workout and fat At the end of the day.

A thousands thanks!
[/quote]

This will be a good place to start for gaining purposes. You can adjust the carbs according to your progress, as long as you don’t see fat accumulation. I would increase the protein to about 275-300. Your fat before bed is great and same for carbs around workout time. 200g of those being from the Plazma intraworkout.

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Thank you shadow, I’ll take your tips like a religion. lOL.
What cycle would you recomend to get good gains? I am natty. I workout from 4 years and I am 26 years old.

Thank you man.
[/quote]

First of all, are you just curious about the insulin? You mention that you are natural and you appear to be doing good as a natural athlete, for a first cycle I would never recommend adding any insulin, especially 20ius because it’s extremely dangerous. Wait until you’ve done a few cycles and have more experience before even touching it.

Since it’s your first cycle, I would recommend doing something very light and small.
This would be something to consider:
Test-p 75mg EOD
Winstrol@50mg/day OR Anavar @ 50mg/day
10mg/day nolvadex
250iu HCG every 3rd day

I’m looking at your photos and had a few questions…are you planning on competing?(if so, which division?) how tall are you?
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Yes shadow, it was curiosity and with the intentionn of learning about insulin. I am not ready to use it yet.
I height 70" and weight 180 lbs. My intention is to compete in classic bodybuilding division.
Thanks for all. Happy with talking with you.

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[quote]Tweeder wrote:
In terms of ANABOLICS (not test)…
Which are you favorite combos to run on top of test? (this is assuming you choose TWO anabolics in a cycle)
and to piggyback that…how do you like Nandrolone+Tren paired together? Sure there can be issues if prolactin isn’t kept in check…but the two are extremely potent.

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Test/tren/deca combo is very harsh. It really depends on how sensitive you are to progesterone issues… Some people can deal with it and others not so much. I have ran this a few times and I have seen good gains but too much drop in my libido and had to use caber while on it. Personally, I prefer to do tren/test/eq because I think the eq gives me more vascularity, better appetite, more strength/endurance, and similar gains to deca with less water retention.

Other combos that I like if I had to choose 2 compounds in a cycle with test I would choose test/tren/dbol or test/tren/Anadrol … I’m just a huge fan of tren in general but it is NOT for everyone and these are combos that I like and would not necessarily recommend these others. For a diet I would choose something like test/tren/mast. When dieting I also like to use primo. Never a big fan of deca.

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[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
Shadow, can you keep gains after a cycle? Assuming you go completely off. Have heard many mixed opinions on this.[/quote]

You can keep gains for sure! As long as your training, supplementation and diet are 100% and you have a well planned pct then you could keep around 80% of your gains… Of course this depends on the cycle, but a beginner for example should keep most of his gains if everything is optimal once he comes off.

The more years of training and natural gains you had before you started juicing will determine how easy it is to make and maintain gains later on.

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[quote]
Yes shadow, it was curiosity and with the intentionn of learning about insulin. I am not ready to use it yet.
I height 70" and weight 180 lbs. My intention is to compete in classic bodybuilding division.
Thanks for all. Happy with talking with you.[/quote]

Ok good, you scared me there for a sec with the insulin. I’m happy to see you are doing your research and I’m here to help you if you need help with anything at all. Classic bodybuilding would be an excellent choice for you. Whenever you’re ready to start, the cycle I gave you would be good, I think you’ll get great gains from it.