Don’t scare my friend. LOL
What do you look like to take equipoise in place of winstrol?
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]powerbuilder57 wrote:
i am using tren ace at 60mg ed plus testo e 250mg per week
i was thinking that if i inject the same muscles over time would it be like injecting SEO
because the oil will make the muscle expand more???[/quote]
There is a lot of info floating around regarding this subject. After all you are injecting oil into the muscle so obviously the muscle will appear this way but the oil dissipates over time so it’s nothing permanent. Bottom line, site injection won’t make your muscles bigger… However, training this specific muscle harder will![/quote]
thanks man
Hey shadow. Been reading all your posts.you are clearly intelligent and have many years of experience.
I was wondering if you can help me out to reach my goals.
I plan on competing in men’s physique next year.so lots of room for improvement. I have decided to make my career path fitness oriented. I cannot see myself living without working out it had become my addiction 
I’m 20 years old 5’11 174 lbs. 7% bf. see avi
Ive been training for 3 years. 2 out of the 3 were serious.my diet is really good keep food clean. With high protein moderate carbs and low fat
I’ve ran 2 cycles.
My first cycle was test e. For 12 weeks with superdrol for 4 weeks
I went from 160 to 176 then after pct i was at 172
Currently on my 2nd cycle. Bulked for 8 weeks. Got to 183 12% bf.
Now cutting on my 16th week
Currently on test p 100 ed
Anavar 50 mg ed
Aromasin 12.5 mg eod
Clen 140 Mcg ed (2 week on 1 week off)
50 mg t3 ed
I’m down to 7-8% or so (see avi) I plan to cut until 6% bf
Then blast and pack on mass. This is where I need your help. For my next blast my source only has
Sust,test E P and C,equipoise,tbol,var,primo
He won’t have any other compound avail for awhile
What would you say the best mass gainer cycle would be with these compounds ?
I was thinking
Weeks 1 to 10
Test e 600 mg a week
Eq 750 mg a week
Tbol 50 mg for 6 weeks
Week 10 to 22
Test 750
Eq 900
Than cruise on 200 mg test e for a while ( I plan to stay on)
That would mean including the cycle I am on now I would have been for gear and the one I am planning
I’ll be on for around 44 weeks than cruise for 7 weeks
Do you think it would be better for my gains if I did a power pct after my cruise and stay off for 2 months before going back on ?
Sorry for the essay lol. I am asking a lot of questions in one reply instead of multiple
Thanks shadow keep doing your thing man!!
protein requirments
hi Shadow
whats your opinion on that
i read that dorian yates at his first olimpia ate only 200g ,mike mentzer in his book that he needed only 70g,george farah about kai green around 200g
also plant proteins are calories do we count them???
thanks
Hello Shadow Pro
Thanks so much for sharing your enormous knowledge with us!
I’d like to ask you just a few questions:
1 - Do you use any 5 alpha reductase inhibitor? How are your PSA? I’m ask you this because I’m on TRT (100mg Test-E week) and HCG (300ug twice a week) and my PSA is increasing more than expected. I’m thinking in blast on 500mg Test-E week for 8 weeks, twice a year, but I’m afraid to worsen the problem, and suffering from BPH in a near future. But I also don’t like the idea of using 5 alpha reductase inhibitors, because of erectile dysfunction problems that it may cause in some individuals. What do you advise?
2 - Do you do therapeutic phlebotomy to control your RBC? Or you don’t give too much attention to it? My RBC is a little overboard (51%), but if I intend to blast twice a week, this might be a problem. Here in europe we can donate blood, even if we are on TRT, but only once every 2 months, which is not enough to lower RBC.
Thanks in advance, and sorry for my awful english
First off, thank you for doing this, it is very informative.
My first question was actually a repeat of the previous post, related to therapeutic phlebotomy.
For a beginner considering equipoise, at around 400 to 600 per week, do you see the RBC issue as one to seriously consider, at a cycle length of 12 to 16 weeks? Is the RBC issue that much more drastic than with test?
Secondly, what are your thoughts on the viral “Animal Mass” article/post related to collagen synthesis? Which states that Deca, Eq, primo drastically increase collagen synthesis while testosterone decreases it? I am assuming you have seen it, as it is all over the place when healing is brought up on any forum. Is this an issue you think should be considered by an enhanced lifter while choosing their hormones? That would lead one to steer clear of test above TRT levels. I am not buying it.
Shadwell,
What do you think about short term GH use? Do you see any value in adding it to a 12 week cycle? My cycles tend to be fairly modest (1g of test-ish, a little dbol here, a little anavar there) but I’ve always been intrigued as to whether adding a couple of iu of GH daily would make much of an impact.
The typical bro-mantra tells us that anything less than 6 months is pointless, but I just can’t justify the expenditure. I could maybe stretch to a 12 weeker + PCT if there was going to be a significant benefit.
I have never used GH before, in case you were wondering.
[quote]rober69_rc wrote:
Don’t scare my friend. LOL
What do you look like to take equipoise in place of winstrol?[/quote]
Because you are natural and relatively lean. I would either go with winstrol@50mg everyday or masteron-p@100mg every other day. Reason being is that I would like to see you gain lean mass while getting a harder overall look based on what I see from your pics. If you take equipoise it’s more suitable for an off season and for optimal effects you should be on it for about 12-16weeks. It will make you more vascular but will not make you harder or leaner and still cause some water retention and possible anxiety side effects.On the other hand, winstrol will give you a nice jump in strength and hardness without the water retention and masteron will do the same but without the same strength gains. I consider them both a good option for your first cycle. Save the eq for a later cycle. I prefer your first cycle to be about 8-10weeks so my original suggestion is still your best option.
[quote]Ranjanman wrote:
Hey shadow. Been reading all your posts.you are clearly intelligent and have many years of experience.
I was wondering if you can help me out to reach my goals.
I plan on competing in men’s physique next year.so lots of room for improvement. I have decided to make my career path fitness oriented. I cannot see myself living without working out it had become my addiction
I’m 20 years old 5’11 174 lbs. 7% bf. see avi
Ive been training for 3 years. 2 out of the 3 were serious.my diet is really good keep food clean. With high protein moderate carbs and low fat
I’ve ran 2 cycles.
My first cycle was test e. For 12 weeks with superdrol for 4 weeks
I went from 160 to 176 then after pct i was at 172
Currently on my 2nd cycle. Bulked for 8 weeks. Got to 183 12% bf.
Now cutting on my 16th week
Currently on test p 100 ed
Anavar 50 mg ed
Aromasin 12.5 mg eod
Clen 140 Mcg ed (2 week on 1 week off)
50 mg t3 ed
I’m down to 7-8% or so (see avi) I plan to cut until 6% bf
Then blast and pack on mass. This is where I need your help. For my next blast my source only has
Sust,test E P and C,equipoise,tbol,var,primo
He won’t have any other compound avail for awhile
What would you say the best mass gainer cycle would be with these compounds ?
I was thinking
Weeks 1 to 10
Test e 600 mg a week
Eq 750 mg a week
Tbol 50 mg for 6 weeks
Week 10 to 22
Test 750
Eq 900
Than cruise on 200 mg test e for a while ( I plan to stay on)
That would mean including the cycle I am on now I would have been for gear and the one I am planning
I’ll be on for around 44 weeks than cruise for 7 weeks
Do you think it would be better for my gains if I did a power pct after my cruise and stay off for 2 months before going back on ?
Sorry for the essay lol. I am asking a lot of questions in one reply instead of multiple
Thanks shadow keep doing your thing man!!
[/quote]
Thanks for all of the in depth info and I appreciate the honesty. However, I cannot see your picture so could you post it on here so I can see who I’m dealing with.
Here a few thoughts I have just from reading this…
-for a 20yr old these dosages are way too high (even for anyone’s 2nd cycle this would be crazy)
-the cycle is all over the place, some of these compounds shouldn’t be here at all
-you’re planning your cycles based on what your source has available… A big no-no… Find someone else!
-44 weeks!! And then cruise for 7 weeks… That’s a year!!! You are only 20 and if you are thinking about long term this is not the way to go about it. Imagine how much you will have to take when your 30, in the assumption your liver and kidneys are still up for the abuse.
I’m not trying to be an asshole but if I were you then I would want someone to warn me. In the long run these dosages won’t make you look better, only worse. We can fix this, but you need to be willing to listen and ready to take this on as a long journey. Please post your photos, diet and training and we’ll go from there.
[quote]powerbuilder57 wrote:
protein requirments
hi Shadow
whats your opinion on that
i read that dorian yates at his first olimpia ate only 200g ,mike mentzer in his book that he needed only 70g,george farah about kai green around 200g
also plant proteins are calories do we count them???
thanks [/quote]
I really doubt these guys are eating this amount of protein at these levels… On a low side I would say about 300g but you need to remember everybody is different and their bodies have different requirements so it could be possible. What you read and hear about athletes isn’t always the case.
[quote]Phil_Iron wrote:
Hello Shadow Pro
Thanks so much for sharing your enormous knowledge with us!
I’d like to ask you just a few questions:
1 - Do you use any 5 alpha reductase inhibitor? How are your PSA? I’m ask you this because I’m on TRT (100mg Test-E week) and HCG (300ug twice a week) and my PSA is increasing more than expected. I’m thinking in blast on 500mg Test-E week for 8 weeks, twice a year, but I’m afraid to worsen the problem, and suffering from BPH in a near future. But I also don’t like the idea of using 5 alpha reductase inhibitors, because of erectile dysfunction problems that it may cause in some individuals. What do you advise?
2 - Do you do therapeutic phlebotomy to control your RBC? Or you don’t give too much attention to it? My RBC is a little overboard (51%), but if I intend to blast twice a week, this might be a problem. Here in europe we can donate blood, even if we are on TRT, but only once every 2 months, which is not enough to lower RBC.
Thanks in advance, and sorry for my awful english
[/quote]
I have never had any issues with my PSA, I have heard of guys having this problem but it’s usually due to other underlying prostate problems. If you are sensitive to it then I wouldn’t think about doing a blast if you are having issues with the TRT dose… I don’t think the risk is worth it. As for the 5 alpha reductase inhibitors, I have never used these and I am not going to advise you to use them either, I would rather leave this choice up to you or your physician.
On a general note, there are some people who don’t respond well to the use of test even on trt dosages… I think if you are having problems with irregularities in your testing due to this specific use then you need to weigh out your options of whether the small amount of test is doing more harm than good.
I have never had any issues with the my RBC and I do monitor it.
[quote]Mc777 wrote:
First off, thank you for doing this, it is very informative.
My first question was actually a repeat of the previous post, related to therapeutic phlebotomy.
For a beginner considering equipoise, at around 400 to 600 per week, do you see the RBC issue as one to seriously consider, at a cycle length of 12 to 16 weeks? Is the RBC issue that much more drastic than with test?
Secondly, what are your thoughts on the viral “Animal Mass” article/post related to collagen synthesis? Which states that Deca, Eq, primo drastically increase collagen synthesis while testosterone decreases it? I am assuming you have seen it, as it is all over the place when healing is brought up on any forum. Is this an issue you think should be considered by an enhanced lifter while choosing their hormones? That would lead one to steer clear of test above TRT levels. I am not buying it. [/quote]
I don’t think that with the doses you mention that it will cause you any issues and I don’t think that the RBC issue is much more drastic with eq than with test. There are a percentage of people who will run into these types of problems, but that’s one of the risks you are taking if you decide to start these drugs. I have never had any issues myself.
Never read this, post the article if you have it. Is it a scientific study? From what you describe, I’m not buying it either but let’s have a look.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]alvertos wrote:
thank you very much for your detailed answer,much appreciated!i will put down a new program based on your suggestions and i will try to imrove!about clen i already have it so how would you use it if you were me?[/quote]
The way you were using it is fine but lower the dose.
[/quote]
thanks man i will get back to you soon with some progress pics!off topic how big is G4P in pro circles?i know kai has done it and also its common in amateur B.B…i dont want to offend you if you dont want to talk about it just courious!
[quote]alvertos wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]alvertos wrote:
thank you very much for your detailed answer,much appreciated!i will put down a new program based on your suggestions and i will try to imrove!about clen i already have it so how would you use it if you were me?[/quote]
The way you were using it is fine but lower the dose.
[/quote]
thanks man i will get back to you soon with some progress pics!off topic how big is G4P in pro circles?i know kai has done it and also its common in amateur B.B…i dont want to offend you if you dont want to talk about it just courious![/quote]
oh my goodness! Well, we’re through the looking glass now…
[quote]Yogi wrote:
Shadwell,
What do you think about short term GH use? Do you see any value in adding it to a 12 week cycle? My cycles tend to be fairly modest (1g of test-ish, a little dbol here, a little anavar there) but I’ve always been intrigued as to whether adding a couple of iu of GH daily would make much of an impact.
The typical bro-mantra tells us that anything less than 6 months is pointless, but I just can’t justify the expenditure. I could maybe stretch to a 12 weeker + PCT if there was going to be a significant benefit.
I have never used GH before, in case you were wondering.[/quote]
Thank you for asking this… And just when I thought you’d disappeared from the thread you come back with a quality question.
I DEFINITELY think it would give great benefits, even in a 12 week window. When using GH, usually the longer you can stay on the better it is but using it for 10-12 weeks will give you some nice benefits. What you could expect to see is fuller and “rounder” look (like a ninja turtle) it’s hard to pinpoint it but it’s the only drug that will give you this unique look. If you are using a quality GH(pharm… No Chinese BS) you will see these changes almost immediately… Most people report finding tighter skin with a better tone, fat loss and the ability to increase calories without gaining fat. You will notice an huge difference in recovery from training and better sleep quality. One of the biggest things I’ve found for people who are serious in the gym is that it helps a lot with existing injuries… I have always had shitty knees and I never have any issues when I’m on GH.
As for dosage, I would start with 6iu/day (to see these specific benefits that I listed) for people who are just looking for fat loss or skin improvements when 3-4iu will be sufficient.
So it does work in short term for sure, it’s optimal to stay on it longer if possible but I think taking it for a short period is better than skipping it all together.
[quote]alvertos wrote:
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]alvertos wrote:
thank you very much for your detailed answer,much appreciated!i will put down a new program based on your suggestions and i will try to imrove!about clen i already have it so how would you use it if you were me?[/quote]
The way you were using it is fine but lower the dose.
[/quote]
thanks man i will get back to you soon with some progress pics!off topic how big is G4P in pro circles?i know kai has done it and also its common in amateur B.B…i dont want to offend you if you dont want to talk about it just courious![/quote]
Haha, I’m the wrong guy to ask about this subject… I stay as far away from getting into other peoples business as I can. I don’t want to see or hear what the guys are doing, I have better things to worry about…
Let’s leave the steroid forum for advice on juice and leave the boys and their weird shit on the porn sites.
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Batman00 wrote:
I heard if you pin one muscle group like crazy, it irritates it and will cause growth with training of course. [/quote]
Infections and scar tissue sound like fun.[/quote]
Yeah thats not good. And I have found no sound evidence anywhere that this has any validity.
A fucking Ninja Turtle? LMAO
[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
Shadwell,
What do you think about short term GH use? Do you see any value in adding it to a 12 week cycle? My cycles tend to be fairly modest (1g of test-ish, a little dbol here, a little anavar there) but I’ve always been intrigued as to whether adding a couple of iu of GH daily would make much of an impact.
The typical bro-mantra tells us that anything less than 6 months is pointless, but I just can’t justify the expenditure. I could maybe stretch to a 12 weeker + PCT if there was going to be a significant benefit.
I have never used GH before, in case you were wondering.[/quote]
Thank you for asking this… And just when I thought you’d disappeared from the thread you come back with a quality question.
I DEFINITELY think it would give great benefits, even in a 12 week window. When using GH, usually the longer you can stay on the better it is but using it for 10-12 weeks will give you some nice benefits. What you could expect to see is fuller and “rounder” look (like a ninja turtle) it’s hard to pinpoint it but it’s the only drug that will give you this unique look. If you are using a quality GH(pharm… No Chinese BS) you will see these changes almost immediately… Most people report finding tighter skin with a better tone, fat loss and the ability to increase calories without gaining fat. You will notice an huge difference in recovery from training and better sleep quality. One of the biggest things I’ve found for people who are serious in the gym is that it helps a lot with existing injuries… I have always had shitty knees and I never have any issues when I’m on GH.
As for dosage, I would start with 6iu/day (to see these specific benefits that I listed) for people who are just looking for fat loss or skin improvements when 3-4iu will be sufficient.
So it does work in short term for sure, it’s optimal to stay on it longer if possible but I think taking it for a short period is better than skipping it all together.
[/quote]
Don’t worry big fella, I’ll be popping in and out to keep it interesting!
So 6iu for 12 weeks it is then. Looks like I’m going to have to start doing some overtime. 12 weeks of that’s going to cost me like £800!
I copied the article. I do not see references, although if you try to look up info on collagen synthesis and steroids, this has pretty much been tossed around and accepted by many forum members.
Increase skeletal muscle & collagen synthesis with certain AAS
(originally posted by AnimalMass)
While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% – more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It’s like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can’t tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position – winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don’t get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a ‘normal’ physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want – an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% – less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% – slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner – the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I’ve read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good – they increase several biomakers of collagen syn – ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS – the decision is up to you.
So I’m a soon-to-be user of anabolics. I’m going with a standard test only approach.
I saw you advise 10mg nolva everyday instead of an AI. Can you explain why?