Q&A with Shadow Pro

Pharma
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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:
Whats going on Shadow, as everyone has said before me, thank you for all of your help and wisdom.
My question is: I am 23 years old, i have been training hard for over 7 years now, like most young morons I ran a couple anavar only cycles that didnt do much besides shut me down and harden me up. I havent taken anything in 2 years, I just got my bloods done and my test (as a suspected) was - total test: 341 ng/dl and free test was 65.4.

I have been feeling pretty run down for months now, sex drive is surprisingly decent and when i’m in the gym my energy is good but anytime before or after im just sluggish.My diet and training are on point. Also, the rest of my blood work checks out fine.
I am planning on doing a show or two within the next 12-18 month period, my question is, since my physician is a pussy and wont do shit for me, should I begin my cycles extremely moderately (just 250mg a week of cyp) and work my way up? I was thinking of running 400mg of test cyp weekly and 75mg of mast prop eod. along with your hcg recommendations and 10mg nolva. Before i dive into a mass gain driven cycle plan, I am first concerned with getting my energy levels back up. Any suggestions?
Pictures should be attached[/quote]

First of all, good job on taking a full 2 years off… Your pictures look good for someone who has been off a full two years which tells me that you’re doing a good job in the gym and in the kitchen. Your body fat is nice and low and considering the situation you have a decent amount of muscle.

Your suggestion of starting low with the test-c, masteron-p, HCG and nolva sounds good to me. That’s exactly how I would start. Before you do this let me ask you a few questions so I can give you some better advice. Did you do any pct?(clomid or HCG) after the anavar cycle? Are you taking any other medication that might contribute to this sluggish feeling? How is your diet/supplements look right now? How many days a week are you training? How many hours a night are you sleeping?

Your test levels are definitely low but since your libido is surprisingly ok, I am thinking it could be some other outside factor that is causing you to be sluggish. Give me some more info and we’ll try to the to the bottom of it.

Thanks for posting photos and I hope I can help you further.
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Thanks for the response, looking forward to hearing any and all advice you have for me. I took some bullshit over the counter pct because I believed var only to be mild. Used erase pro. Didn’t work and at that point I was much less knowledgable about the use of aas including hcg. I went to doc about 6 weeks after I was done with the “pct” because of low libido and tiredness. Got blood panel, total test came back at 222. Doc told me to wait it out and get them done in three months. At that point my level was 310 so I was within range as the pussified physicians will say so he said he couldn’t do anything for me. That was feb 2012. This was my first time doing bloods since and as you can see my levels never really rebounded. I think if I wasn’t so meticulous with diet and hard training I would be fucked. If I miss a few meals I wake up 3-5 lbs lighter.

I’m in the gym 5-6 days a week depending on how I feel and training regimen. I’m a terrible sleeper. I’m in bed for 8 hours but wake up every couple hours either to piss or just restlessness. No meds and for supps I use MAG-10 plazma and also used indigo for almost all of the two years I’ve been off.

If it matters I am 5’6" 178-183
Have competed in powerlifting (two MA raw state records in 181 class - 440 squats no wraps just sleeves and 501 pull) but no bb shows yet. But as I said I am
Planning on it [/quote]

Well now I understand how you are still looking so good after a shitty cycle and 2 years off. You can never go wrong with a powerlifting background, this explains your thickness and hardness. You are using some of my favorite supps as well which are clearly helping. You have 2 options.

  1. Say fuck it and just start the cycle you suggested.
  2. Do an aggressive pct and try to recover your natural levels to an extent before starting.
    3000iu HCG every 3rd day (total 10 shots)
    Clomid 4 weeks (2wks @100mg & 2wks @ 50mg)
    Proviron @ 50mg/day until you’re finished the HCG
    After 4 weeks (when clomid is finished) get on a natural test booster like AlphaMale
  • blood tests after you have finished one bottle of AlphaMale.

Sleeping is huge for recovery. Get on z12, it does wonders for sleep. My sleep patterns were shitty as well, I was up every hour and I thought I had sleep apnea but now I’m sleeping through the night.

If you are not under time pressure, I think I’d give the pct a shot because it can make your future cycle more effective. You’ve already been off for 2 years so a few more months won’t kill you. But you are in a good position right now to go either way.

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That’s what I was hoping you would suggest. If I can bring my natural level up that would mean when I come off in the future that my levels won’t rebound as low? I’m going to go ahead and try and locate those. Ancillaries seem to be harder to find than the aas in my neck of the woods.
You may not want to comment but do you have opinions on ordering from overseas pharmacy sites? I’ve had friends use these sites successfully but always seemed pretty sketch.

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[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]cronbeast90 wrote:
Whats going on Shadow, as everyone has said before me, thank you for all of your help and wisdom.
My question is: I am 23 years old, i have been training hard for over 7 years now, like most young morons I ran a couple anavar only cycles that didnt do much besides shut me down and harden me up. I havent taken anything in 2 years, I just got my bloods done and my test (as a suspected) was - total test: 341 ng/dl and free test was 65.4.

I have been feeling pretty run down for months now, sex drive is surprisingly decent and when i’m in the gym my energy is good but anytime before or after im just sluggish.My diet and training are on point. Also, the rest of my blood work checks out fine.
I am planning on doing a show or two within the next 12-18 month period, my question is, since my physician is a pussy and wont do shit for me, should I begin my cycles extremely moderately (just 250mg a week of cyp) and work my way up? I was thinking of running 400mg of test cyp weekly and 75mg of mast prop eod. along with your hcg recommendations and 10mg nolva. Before i dive into a mass gain driven cycle plan, I am first concerned with getting my energy levels back up. Any suggestions?
Pictures should be attached[/quote]

First of all, good job on taking a full 2 years off… Your pictures look good for someone who has been off a full two years which tells me that you’re doing a good job in the gym and in the kitchen. Your body fat is nice and low and considering the situation you have a decent amount of muscle.

Your suggestion of starting low with the test-c, masteron-p, HCG and nolva sounds good to me. That’s exactly how I would start. Before you do this let me ask you a few questions so I can give you some better advice. Did you do any pct?(clomid or HCG) after the anavar cycle? Are you taking any other medication that might contribute to this sluggish feeling? How is your diet/supplements look right now? How many days a week are you training? How many hours a night are you sleeping?

Your test levels are definitely low but since your libido is surprisingly ok, I am thinking it could be some other outside factor that is causing you to be sluggish. Give me some more info and we’ll try to the to the bottom of it.

Thanks for posting photos and I hope I can help you further.
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Thanks for the response, looking forward to hearing any and all advice you have for me. I took some bullshit over the counter pct because I believed var only to be mild. Used erase pro. Didn’t work and at that point I was much less knowledgable about the use of aas including hcg. I went to doc about 6 weeks after I was done with the “pct” because of low libido and tiredness. Got blood panel, total test came back at 222. Doc told me to wait it out and get them done in three months. At that point my level was 310 so I was within range as the pussified physicians will say so he said he couldn’t do anything for me. That was feb 2012. This was my first time doing bloods since and as you can see my levels never really rebounded. I think if I wasn’t so meticulous with diet and hard training I would be fucked. If I miss a few meals I wake up 3-5 lbs lighter.

I’m in the gym 5-6 days a week depending on how I feel and training regimen. I’m a terrible sleeper. I’m in bed for 8 hours but wake up every couple hours either to piss or just restlessness. No meds and for supps I use MAG-10 plazma and also used indigo for almost all of the two years I’ve been off.

If it matters I am 5’6" 178-183
Have competed in powerlifting (two MA raw state records in 181 class - 440 squats no wraps just sleeves and 501 pull) but no bb shows yet. But as I said I am
Planning on it [/quote]

Well now I understand how you are still looking so good after a shitty cycle and 2 years off. You can never go wrong with a powerlifting background, this explains your thickness and hardness. You are using some of my favorite supps as well which are clearly helping. You have 2 options.

  1. Say fuck it and just start the cycle you suggested.
  2. Do an aggressive pct and try to recover your natural levels to an extent before starting.
    3000iu HCG every 3rd day (total 10 shots)
    Clomid 4 weeks (2wks @100mg & 2wks @ 50mg)
    Proviron @ 50mg/day until you’re finished the HCG
    After 4 weeks (when clomid is finished) get on a natural test booster like AlphaMale
  • blood tests after you have finished one bottle of AlphaMale.

Sleeping is huge for recovery. Get on z12, it does wonders for sleep. My sleep patterns were shitty as well, I was up every hour and I thought I had sleep apnea but now I’m sleeping through the night.

If you are not under time pressure, I think I’d give the pct a shot because it can make your future cycle more effective. You’ve already been off for 2 years so a few more months won’t kill you. But you are in a good position right now to go either way.

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That’s what I was hoping you would suggest. If I can bring my natural level up that would mean when I come off in the future that my levels won’t rebound as low? I’m going to go ahead and try and locate those. Ancillaries seem to be harder to find than the aas in my neck of the woods.
You may not want to comment but do you have opinions on ordering from overseas pharmacy sites? I’ve had friends use these sites successfully but always seemed pretty sketch.

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Correct, this is your best shot at leveling everything back out.

If there’s a will there’s a way… You will find something but just be careful. I don’t want to make any suggestions because I refuse to be the instigator and have people run into problems due to this type of advise. My suggestion would always be to get it from a pharmacy and if you’re adamant enough I’m sure you’ll figure a way to get a doc to prescribe it. Sorry that’s all I’ve got for you and can’t be much help on this subject.

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No worries at all, I appreciate all the help. I’ll keep you updated

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Thanks for the reply shadow.
What’s the longer cycle length that you can safely run? Might to give me a sample layout ?
I’m just finish a show 1 1/2 month ago. Now going to bulking .

My stats
Height : 5’ 7
Weight : 168
Bf : 12%

Thanks.
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I would say 12-16 weeks is a decent length for a cycle for your off season. How many cycles have you done previously? (And what were they) how many shows have you done? Years of training? What’s your plan for your off season diet?
Also, if I may ask… Why are you already at 12% bf 1.5 months after a show? I’m assuming you’re doing bodybuilding? You should be pretty lean still and I wouldn’t expect you to be over 12% even in the off season.

Please post a picture and this info so I can see where the starting point is and give you an appropriate layout.[/quote]

I’m not sure my body fat is 12% or not. Just guessing. Lol

I have 4 years plus training experience.
Have done 2 cycles before.

  1. Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Arimidex 0.25mg 1-8 weeks
    Pct : novaldex and clomid 40/100,20/50,20/50,20/50

  2. Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Tren A 100mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Arimidex 0.5mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Pct same as cycle one.

My diet is high in carbs: 4000calories
Carbs 60%
Protein 25%
Fat 15%

I have high metabolic that’s the reason why I eat that much .
Thanks

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[quote]doom44 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Thanks for the reply shadow.
What’s the longer cycle length that you can safely run? Might to give me a sample layout ?
I’m just finish a show 1 1/2 month ago. Now going to bulking .

My stats
Height : 5’ 7
Weight : 168
Bf : 12%

Thanks.
[/quote]

I would say 12-16 weeks is a decent length for a cycle for your off season. How many cycles have you done previously? (And what were they) how many shows have you done? Years of training? What’s your plan for your off season diet?
Also, if I may ask… Why are you already at 12% bf 1.5 months after a show? I’m assuming you’re doing bodybuilding? You should be pretty lean still and I wouldn’t expect you to be over 12% even in the off season.

Please post a picture and this info so I can see where the starting point is and give you an appropriate layout.[/quote]

I’m not sure my body fat is 12% or not. Just guessing. Lol

I have 4 years plus training experience.
Have done 2 cycles before.

  1. Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Arimidex 0.25mg 1-8 weeks
    Pct : novaldex and clomid 40/100,20/50,20/50,20/50

  2. Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Tren A 100mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Arimidex 0.5mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Pct same as cycle one.

My diet is high in carbs: 4000calories
Carbs 60%
Protein 25%
Fat 15%

I have high metabolic that’s the reason why I eat that much .
Thanks
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Well thank you for posting a picture!! Dude, you are a horrible guesser… You are still in great condition which is exactly how you should be after a show, this is closer to 6%

You are at the perfect point to do a rebound phase and gain some quality new muscle. I’m going to suggest you go into a 12 week cycle before you take time off.
This would be my best option for you now:
Sustanon@ 600-750mg/week
Tren-e@ 400mg/week
EQ@400mg/week
Nolva@20mg Every day
HCG 250iu every 3rd day.
This is going to give you a huge jump in both strength and size, it’s a medium dosage. If you want you could also throw in some oral tbol @ 50mg/day (for the first 6 weeks)
You’re going to gain a lot of good quality muscle from this, your body is in a perfect position for this phase so train your ass off for 12 weeks and then take some time off the juice. I will help you with pct when the time comes.

Thanks again for posting a picture, it helps me out a lot!

*THIS IS WHY I KEEP SUGGESTING YOU GUYS/GIRLS POST PHOTOS FOR ME, I CAN’T HELP PEOPLE IF DON’T KNOW WHAT IM WORKING WITH. IF HE DIDN’T POST THIS PHOTO THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD EVER SUGGEST THIS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS INFO.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]anvilTX wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]anvilTX wrote:
Thanks for all of the great insight/advice. For someone who is not competing but still wanting the most out of their cycles, would you recommend the standard 12-16 week long ester cycles, 6-8 week short ester, or a form of b&c for a certain period of time. My stats, H- 6’2 W-265 15% BF 515 S/325 B/ 550 D[/quote]

And thank you for following… What is your cycle history? Goals(strength, gaining size, getting lean?) Current diet/training? Give me some info and I’ll be happy to help.
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Currently leaning out to the 10-12 bf% to set myself up to gain lean mass as long as possible. I’ve been training for 8 years. Currently following a mountain dog diet(high protein/high fat/moderate carbs) and train on a high volume 6 day split. I work a labor intensive job so recovery is huge, which my intra workout supp has helped a lot. I’ve currently ran 3 cycles.

  1. 500mg test 12 wks/dbol 30mg 4 wks.
  2. 500mg test 12 wks/ dbol 50mg 6 wks
  3. 750mg test 12 wks/ dbol 50mg 6 wks
    Each cycle I ran adex on and pct with nolva clomid.

Thanks!
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I’m going to give you 2 options for each cycle styles you mentioned 1 will be considered light/medium and 2 will be more advanced for experienced user.

With 8 years of training, a decent diet and a few cycles under your belt… It would be your choice which option to choose you can go either way.

Long esters cycle

  1. 750mg test-e or test-c
    600mg of eq
    12-16 weeks
    Turinabol 50mg ED (first 6 weeks)
    HCG 250iu every 3rd day
    Nolvadex 20mg/day or arimidex 1mg every 3rd day
    2.1g test-e or test-c
    600mg tren-e
    800mg eq
    Turinabol or dbol 70-100mg ED (week 1-4 60mg, week 5-6 80mg, week 7-8 100mg)
    500iu of HCG every 3rd day
    Nolva @ 20mg/day or arimidex @ 1mg every 2-3 days.

Short ester cycles:

  1. Test-p 100mg EOD
    Mast-p 100mg EOD
    Anavar 60 mg/ day
    Nolva 10-20mg/day or Adex 1mg every 3rd day
    HCG 250iu every 3rd day
  2. Test-p 150mg EOD
    Tren-A 100mg EOD
    Mast-p 100mg EOD
    Winstrol (oral) 50mg everyday
    Nolva/arimidex same as option 1
    HCG 500iu every 3rd day

B+C
Depends on your original dose, usually about 1/2 of the dose is good to cruise on. Continue to run nolva and HCG during this time.

If you’re completely mentally stable and you’re not an edgy person then the tren would be a great addition. It will give you great gains, hardness and strength… There’s nothing like it but people can be sensitive to the side effects so always start low.
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Thanks so much for the info. As far as blasting and cruising for an extended time, lets say 8-10 months of a year. Is this something you’d recommend only to someone competing, of a certain age, etc. And what is your general rule of thumb for cruise times? 1 wk cruise per 1 wk blast? Your doing this forum a huge service!

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]doom44 wrote:
Thanks for the reply shadow.
What’s the longer cycle length that you can safely run? Might to give me a sample layout ?
I’m just finish a show 1 1/2 month ago. Now going to bulking .

My stats
Height : 5’ 7
Weight : 168
Bf : 12%

Thanks.
[/quote]

I would say 12-16 weeks is a decent length for a cycle for your off season. How many cycles have you done previously? (And what were they) how many shows have you done? Years of training? What’s your plan for your off season diet?
Also, if I may ask… Why are you already at 12% bf 1.5 months after a show? I’m assuming you’re doing bodybuilding? You should be pretty lean still and I wouldn’t expect you to be over 12% even in the off season.

Please post a picture and this info so I can see where the starting point is and give you an appropriate layout.[/quote]

I’m not sure my body fat is 12% or not. Just guessing. Lol

I have 4 years plus training experience.
Have done 2 cycles before.

  1. Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Arimidex 0.25mg 1-8 weeks
    Pct : novaldex and clomid 40/100,20/50,20/50,20/50

  2. Test prop 150mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Tren A 100mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Arimidex 0.5mg eod 1-8 weeks
    Pct same as cycle one.

My diet is high in carbs: 4000calories
Carbs 60%
Protein 25%
Fat 15%

I have high metabolic that’s the reason why I eat that much .
Thanks
[/quote]

Well thank you for posting a picture!! Dude, you are a horrible guesser… You are still in great condition which is exactly how you should be after a show, this is closer to 6%

You are at the perfect point to do a rebound phase and gain some quality new muscle. I’m going to suggest you go into a 12 week cycle before you take time off.
This would be my best option for you now:
Sustanon@ 600-750mg/week
Tren-e@ 400mg/week
EQ@400mg/week
Nolva@20mg Every day
HCG 250iu every 3rd day.
This is going to give you a huge jump in both strength and size, it’s a medium dosage. If you want you could also throw in some oral tbol @ 50mg/day (for the first 6 weeks)
You’re going to gain a lot of good quality muscle from this, your body is in a perfect position for this phase so train your ass off for 12 weeks and then take some time off the juice. I will help you with pct when the time comes.

Thanks again for posting a picture, it helps me out a lot!

*THIS IS WHY I KEEP SUGGESTING YOU GUYS/GIRLS POST PHOTOS FOR ME, I CAN’T HELP PEOPLE IF DON’T KNOW WHAT IM WORKING WITH. IF HE DIDN’T POST THIS PHOTO THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD EVER SUGGEST THIS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS INFO.

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a BIG thanks here Shadow.
appreciate you take your time to reply me.
definitely will follow what you say.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rober69_rc wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rober69_rc wrote:
Thanks for all Shadow. What is your opinion about a dosage of 20iu humalog 15’preworkout and intraworkout take 200grs carbs from plazma and 90’later 150grs of carbs from sweet potato+rice? You see a logical amount of insuline for those carbs?

Thank you bro, I am learning so much with you.[/quote]

Basic ratio to start with is 10g for 1iu. 20iu and 200g of Plazma will work. If you are doing this I hope you have a lot of experience with insulin because it’s not something to play around with, that’s pretty high dose. If you are doing this amount you won’t be eating 90 min later, you should be still training at this time if you are doing so much insulin(2 hrs minimum) post workout meal with that amount of sweet potatoes or rice is fine with an adequate amount of protein but no fat, if you are doing Humalog keep in mind it’s active in your system for 4 hours so don’t have your fat around this time.

You don’t need to have that amount of carbs post workout, technically you are covering what you need with the Plazma. If you are trying to gain then it could be appropriate but it depends on your diet. [/quote]

Thank you so much.

I weight 180lbs 180cms and 11%Bf (witg dexa).

The next seasson I wanna improve a lot of my phisyque to contest on classic bb.

How do you look the next diet:
-Pr 250gr
-Ch 400gr
-Ft 50gr
3100kcal about

Ch around the workout and fat At the end of the day.

A thousands thanks!
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This will be a good place to start for gaining purposes. You can adjust the carbs according to your progress, as long as you don’t see fat accumulation. I would increase the protein to about 275-300. Your fat before bed is great and same for carbs around workout time. 200g of those being from the Plazma intraworkout.

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Thank you shadow, I’ll take your tips like a religion. lOL.
What cycle would you recomend to get good gains? I am natty. I workout from 4 years and I am 26 years old.

Thank you man.

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Hey Shadow,

Quick queston for you, I am 26, currently 235 with 20ish BF. I am strength oriented but currently I am trying to lean out bit to get healthier and make it easier to bulk while maintaining what I have. What would you suggest running with strength goals in mind and being in a caloric deficit, if anything? Thanks for everything your doing here!

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Hey Shadow I want to increase my power clean because I compete in explosive athletics. I’m going to run Oral Winnie with a SARM. 1 pill of winnie a day for 10 days then 2 pills a day for the following 20. The SARM will be 2 pills a day lasting 30 days. What are you thoughts on that improving my fast twitch muscle fibers for my power clean and can you get gyno from winnie?

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So shadow,

I’ve lurked on this forum for awhile but just finally decided to join the forum to ask you a question.

I’m on 2500iu of hcg Monday and Thursday for TRT. My endo wants to check my test levels again in a month. My original levels were 295 on a 1350 scale. I would like to start some Deca for a lubrication dose (100mg 1x a week). So my question is this. How far will the Deca dose skew my test numbers? I know Deca will suppress my natural levels but will it have any effect on me because I’m on such a high dose of hcg?

Thanks already.

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Is hcg really necessary for someone who is permanently blasting and cruising?

433

i am using tren ace at 60mg ed plus testo e 250mg per week
i was thinking that if i inject the same muscles over time would it be like injecting SEO
because the oil will make the muscle expand more???

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I heard if you pin one muscle group like crazy, it irritates it and will cause growth with training of course.

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thank you very much for your detailed answer,much appreciated!i will put down a new program based on your suggestions and i will try to imrove!about clen i already have it so how would you use it if you were me?

436

What are your thoughts on anavar vs winstrol? Side effects wise, strength wise, physique wise, and how long are each in your system afterwards drug test wise?

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Hi shadow, im going to go off the topic of steroids, as i wanna know more about the pro’s diets.
What are your thoughts on fruit consumption(off and pre-contest), gluten,dairy and red meat, all recent diet-free trends. Thank you very much!

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Shadow pro

Im a 20 + year vet in the sport. I have won a few overalls and competed national a few tines. I’ve made top 10 before. But my goal is to have one top 5 national placing before i stop competing. My main issues is my back thickness and width. Conditioning isnt a issue as my back in contest shape is pretty detailed. But my thickness hurts me on a national stage. Im doing more of a mountaindog style of training. Putting alot of focus on getting huge pymps and using perfect form on my movements. I seem to lack thickness threw my middle and lower lats. In the pictures below i think you can see where im lacking at. I need more upper outter lat popping out to enhance my front double bi shot. And from the back i feel like i lack threwout. These are recent pics from a couple weeks ago.

Ht- 5-10
Wt- 242 (in pics) normal offseason 250lb
Contest wt- 224lbs last november 2013
Years training - 23 years
Age - 40
Goal - to be top 5 in a pro qualifier

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From previous show last nov. 2013

Weight - 220lbs
Came in flat but very lean. Scarficed some fullness to be this lean.

Put these pics in to help

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In terms of ANABOLICS (not test)…
Which are you favorite combos to run on top of test? (this is assuming you choose TWO anabolics in a cycle)
and to piggyback that…how do you like Nandrolone+Tren paired together? Sure there can be issues if prolactin isn’t kept in check…but the two are extremely potent.