Q&A with Shadow Pro

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Hey Shadow Pro,

I have a couple more questions.

  1. DNP- I have used this before with good success and I know the protocols to follow for it to be safe. The only problem is I just finished a show 3 weeks ago and I am currently sitting at 6.5% bf via 9 site caliper test. I kept my diet tight post show and I decided to do another show in 8 weeks. I know DNP has worked well in the past for me but at 6.5% I feel it may not have much of an effect bc I dont have enough bf on me to lose. I am not on any T3, clen or cardio and I do have time on my side but I want to maximize my post show rebound which I have been and at the same time do zero cardio or dieting bc I feel like it will effect my rebound. My thought process was use the DNP to take off the extra fat I have left in a 2 week period so I dont have to diet or do cardio or any fat burners. Make sense but wanted to get your thoughts on this?

  2. You mention you take clients but not on a commercial level. Well I am looking for someone to bounce ideas off of, not necessarily giving me diets but to give me feedback and help me through the process of dieting and offseason protocols. Basically a coach but a coach williing to work with me and my ideas. Commitment is no probelm, Ive been training for over 20 years and my workouts are grueling, I have gone through so many training partners bc most are not wiling to train hard enough, even though everyone is “hardcore”. PM me if your interested, I live in So. Cal.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]MassEffect wrote:
Shadow Pro,

First of all - mad respect. I’ve been reading this thread since 1st post and I’m really enjoying learning from you. Thanks for doing this.

Background on me - 23y/o - Male- 220lbs - 6"1’ - under 15% bf - larger legs, moderate chest/uppers,. (leg day is forever the favorite)
I’ve been lifting for 6 years (on and off, more on than off). I’ve done a natural bodybuilding show (2) and I’ve even taken home a 1st place trophy (woo!).

Recently I’ve been all over the map with motivation after getting married and getting a hardcore deskjockey job. My wife got into fitness and has rekindled the fire I had for the sport when I was a teen. I’ve been toying around with the idea of trying for the physique class, most of those guys weight is around or under mine and I’m very symmetrical albeit leg heavy.

I have a bunch of questions, forgive me if I missed you answering some of these - I really did try to read everything you posted.

I’m stacking a ton of natty sups right now to boost test levels, Animal: Stak, M-Stak, Cellucor: P6 Red and P6 Black. I’m insanely strong on the right dose and its very noticable when I miss a dose. Along with damn near every animal supp in the line. I’ve gotten great results with them, but I feel like I’m hitting a wall and want to make more noticeable progress faster. Do you think these are a waste of money? In your experience has anyone ever benefited tremendously from using natty sups while on gear?

In addition to the test booster natty sups I’m taking Animal Cuts and Cellucors Super HD + CLK to help me drop weight.

I want to start rx to lean down aggressively and prep for a show without losing any size or strength. This will be my first cycle. I train 3x weekly (back/front/legs) +2 hours and cardio 3x weekly for roughly 500~1000kcal burned each time.
What kind of stack would you think could be a good way to help me achieve my goals (physique show) sometime late this year?

Thanks for taking time out of your day to contribute the knowledge you’ve gained over the years.
Mass[/quote]

Thank you for following, I’ll give you my ideas based on what you’ve told me. It would be great if you could post a photo so I can see where you’re at… It will make a difference otherwise I’m speculating on a starting point. Peoples ideas of REAL bf % are all over the map. Also, current diet please.

As for supplements. I’ve tried all of the big supplement brands products over the years and to be honest most of them are complete garbage… What concerns me the most about these is that the labels are very misleading in most cases. This brings me back to the point of why I am here in the first place… I discovered Biotest products long ago and it’s the only supplements I will ever spend my money on because they are actually working by themselves alone and even better when you combine them with prescription meds. For me and many clients & friends this has made a world of difference in my career. Obviously the site would never promote the use of steroids with product but I have experimented with all of the combinations and found crazy results and I will share my findings with you.

For adding lean muscle mass I like this new supplement called micro-pa, I gave it to a lot of my clients and over a 2 month period they got harder, stronger and gained a noticeable amount of muscle (some of them physique competitors) one of my female clients competes naturally and I honestly asked her if she was taking something behind my back because I never expected so much out of a supplement alone.
As for fat burners, I made a previous post about my favorites… Either go with an ECA stack, HOT-ROX, indigo. (clen & t3 for prescription choices). There is no product on the market like Indigo-3G,it just doesn’t exist and I find it extremely important especially pre contest to keep you full and allow you to keep your carb intake relatively high while still losing fat, I use it right up to the day of my show. For a natural test booster, I only use Alpha Male (during my pct). I don’t think supplements are a waste of money at all, you just need to pick and choose the right ones… The gear and the supps enhance eachother, I can’t imagine a prep without one or the other.

Now for the Rx questions:
For your first time cycle as a physique competitor (without seeing pics) I would suggest something like this:
Test-p 100mg EOD
Mast-p 100mg EOD
Anavar @60mg/day OR winstrol @ 50mg/day
Nolvadex 10mg/day
HCG 250iu every 3rd day

It’s very basic but as a first cycle it would work great for you. Please send pics first. It’s possible you can play around with Clen or t3 but for physique I don’t think you’ll have to go there, you can get hard and lean from non-rx supplements combined with your cycle.

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Hey Shadow Pro,

Thanks again for replying! Thats very cool information and I am grateful to have it.
my diet looks like this (same thing every day)

6 egg white 2 yolks
1/2 cup oatmeal
10 almonds
teaspoon of honey
5oz lean ground beef

60g p shake

8oz chicken
1/2 cup veggies

60g p shake

10-8oz chicken or fish (fish on post workout days)
1cup white rice (post workout day)
1cup veggies

on workout days I add some carbs in before and after the workout. I don’t take any intra workout supplements and my pre is animal rage XL/Stak/MStak

I snapped a few pics and i have them uploaded to my onedrive - i shared them out for you here. http://1drv.ms/1lujW9O
just noticed I don’t have a chest shot lol, its not huge.

Thanks again for doing this. I really appreciate it.

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[quote]Dianaballs wrote:
cool, thanks for your help

actually, another thing if you dont mind, what would you reccomend to a powerlifter wanting to drop as much fat as possible in say 16-20 weeks, while maintaining strength, if i gain some i suppose i wont complain ha. id like to get my conditioning back to where it was so not sure on tren. also not a huge amount of cash at the moment. thanks![/quote]

If you want to drop as much fat, diet is you ultimate key here. Make sure your diet is super clean and your intraworkout nutrition in tact. Carbs and calories in general should be relatively high on your heavy lifting days BUT in the off or light days you should lower the carbs and calories significantly to make these “fat burning days”

I will build you a cycle but I need to know some information about you first. How many cycles? (And what did they include) have you used tren before? (Any issues with it?). How many times a week do you train? Can you afford GH in a low dose like 2-4iu/day?

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[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
Thanks alot for all your effort shadow, in this entire thread

  1. So far no one has asked your opinion on short cycles (2 weekers), do you think they are acceptable for individuals who prefer to be “under the radar” or whose goal is to recover natural test production as quick as possible? (at least i haven’t fuond any in here)

  2. Do you think it’s okay to run a cycle without testosterone as a base? I’ve heard only of rare cases (in particular) bill roberts claiming trenbolone Dianabol been his favorite bulking cycle. Since Dianabol is a testosterone derivative and is aromatizable (solving low estrogen problem) with HCG in the mix for natural testosterone would such a cycle be alright?

Some people claim test increases side effects in other compounds so that’s why many go with low test high tren (the most extreme case i heard of if a person doing 10mg/d test prop with 210mg/d tren ace … strangely this guy mentioned getting very little side effects even at such a dose and having compendious libido) and why i’d really like to know your opinion on the subject

Again, thanks for your effort shadow[/quote]

  1. They can work to an extent but you won’t get anything close to a real planned out cycle that lasts about 8-16weeks. Shorts cycle I would do on short esters is 8 weeks long. If you’re keen on doing one then your best choice would be something like test-suspension pre-workout, tren-a and/or an oral. I wouldn’t recommend this because I think if you want to do something like this, at least do it right. The gains you will get from a 2 week cycle are very minimal and most likely won’t hold because your body doesn’t have enough time to adjust. Human body likes homeostasis and a sudden change like this wouldn’t be your best option.

  2. It can be done but wouldn’t be by first choice. I think tren running without test would be very aggressive mentally for people. I personally feel that running test with tren helps balance the mental sides that the tren can give. Is there logic? Yes there is, but it’s just not my first choice and I don’t think it’s optimal for gains. Again, it comes down to your goal. If you want a hard and dry look and you don’t care about sides and possible low libido then high tren and low test would allow you to achieve this look.

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[quote]Batman00 wrote:
Bill Roberts also mentioned he likes Mast and HCG as he gets into his 50’s and older. Easier on system with some test and tren blasts as needed. What is the effect of just running Mast and HCG?[/quote]

For older people it’s actually a pretty good idea. HCG will keep your test levels running high and masteron will work as a mild anti-e giving you a nice hard and dry look. It is easier on the system, I’m on the same page as him with that. It would be a good combo a test and tren blast for older people, assuming they are in good overall health.

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[quote]rober69_rc wrote:
Thanks so much Shadow I value your effort.

About the question done previously only one more thing. If you have not access to buy Plazma, which carb you’d prefer to take intra workout, dextrose or vitargo?

thank you very much![/quote]

Neither of those are even close, you can’t even make a case for comparison so I wouldn’t recommend either. It’s like comparing a scooter with a Ferrari, lol.

I’m curious as to why you cannot get Plazma? Did you look at the online store here?

If you look for a substitute you will not find it, there’s nothing that will give you the same effect… People are always thinking carbs are just carbs but it’s not the case, they’ve done something unique here with the product and for me it’s irreplaceable.

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[quote]rager wrote:
Hey Shadow Pro,

I have a couple more questions.

  1. DNP- I have used this before with good success and I know the protocols to follow for it to be safe. The only problem is I just finished a show 3 weeks ago and I am currently sitting at 6.5% bf via 9 site caliper test. I kept my diet tight post show and I decided to do another show in 8 weeks. I know DNP has worked well in the past for me but at 6.5% I feel it may not have much of an effect bc I dont have enough bf on me to lose. I am not on any T3, clen or cardio and I do have time on my side but I want to maximize my post show rebound which I have been and at the same time do zero cardio or dieting bc I feel like it will effect my rebound. My thought process was use the DNP to take off the extra fat I have left in a 2 week period so I dont have to diet or do cardio or any fat burners. Make sense but wanted to get your thoughts on this?

  2. You mention you take clients but not on a commercial level. Well I am looking for someone to bounce ideas off of, not necessarily giving me diets but to give me feedback and help me through the process of dieting and offseason protocols. Basically a coach but a coach williing to work with me and my ideas. Commitment is no probelm, Ive been training for over 20 years and my workouts are grueling, I have gone through so many training partners bc most are not wiling to train hard enough, even though everyone is “hardcore”. PM me if your interested, I live in So. Cal.[/quote]

  3. Yes, dnp works… I also think that the ability to have quality training sessions is literally impossible while on it. I don’t think that 8 weeks is enough time to gain any kind of significant amounts of muscle. When you say you are 6.5% bf I am thinking you are no where near stage ready, you should be under 4% on a caliper test before even thinking about going on stage so this tells me you still have a long way to go. In addition, you aren’t taking any fat burners at the moment. Doing 20-30min of cardio a day won’t hurt your rebound or cause muscle loss… So get on it! Take Clen and t3 before cardio (doesn’t have to be a high dose) and adjust your diet in order to get to the correct bodyfat that you need to be on stage.

Dnp can also cause issues for the depletion and loading process, making you look flat as hell with no way to fix it except using extreme measures. I see more cons than pros so if I were you I’d get my ass in gear and start doing a bit of cardio, get on Clen and t3, adjust my diet and train like a mother fucker. Don’t pick the easy way out. Your look going onto stage will be much better if you go this route, trust me. Usually the more conservative way is the best. I’ll leave this up to you.

  1. I appreciate your interest but I am not taking anyone on right now, you are more than welcome to run things by me on here for everyone else to read. I am very busy concentrating on my career right now so I don’t have a lot of time.
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[quote]MassEffect wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]MassEffect wrote:
Shadow Pro,

First of all - mad respect. I’ve been reading this thread since 1st post and I’m really enjoying learning from you. Thanks for doing this.

Background on me - 23y/o - Male- 220lbs - 6"1’ - under 15% bf - larger legs, moderate chest/uppers,. (leg day is forever the favorite)
I’ve been lifting for 6 years (on and off, more on than off). I’ve done a natural bodybuilding show (2) and I’ve even taken home a 1st place trophy (woo!).

Recently I’ve been all over the map with motivation after getting married and getting a hardcore deskjockey job. My wife got into fitness and has rekindled the fire I had for the sport when I was a teen. I’ve been toying around with the idea of trying for the physique class, most of those guys weight is around or under mine and I’m very symmetrical albeit leg heavy.

I have a bunch of questions, forgive me if I missed you answering some of these - I really did try to read everything you posted.

I’m stacking a ton of natty sups right now to boost test levels, Animal: Stak, M-Stak, Cellucor: P6 Red and P6 Black. I’m insanely strong on the right dose and its very noticable when I miss a dose. Along with damn near every animal supp in the line. I’ve gotten great results with them, but I feel like I’m hitting a wall and want to make more noticeable progress faster. Do you think these are a waste of money? In your experience has anyone ever benefited tremendously from using natty sups while on gear?

In addition to the test booster natty sups I’m taking Animal Cuts and Cellucors Super HD + CLK to help me drop weight.

I want to start rx to lean down aggressively and prep for a show without losing any size or strength. This will be my first cycle. I train 3x weekly (back/front/legs) +2 hours and cardio 3x weekly for roughly 500~1000kcal burned each time.
What kind of stack would you think could be a good way to help me achieve my goals (physique show) sometime late this year?

Thanks for taking time out of your day to contribute the knowledge you’ve gained over the years.
Mass[/quote]

Thank you for following, I’ll give you my ideas based on what you’ve told me. It would be great if you could post a photo so I can see where you’re at… It will make a difference otherwise I’m speculating on a starting point. Peoples ideas of REAL bf % are all over the map. Also, current diet please.

As for supplements. I’ve tried all of the big supplement brands products over the years and to be honest most of them are complete garbage… What concerns me the most about these is that the labels are very misleading in most cases. This brings me back to the point of why I am here in the first place… I discovered Biotest products long ago and it’s the only supplements I will ever spend my money on because they are actually working by themselves alone and even better when you combine them with prescription meds. For me and many clients & friends this has made a world of difference in my career. Obviously the site would never promote the use of steroids with product but I have experimented with all of the combinations and found crazy results and I will share my findings with you.

For adding lean muscle mass I like this new supplement called micro-pa, I gave it to a lot of my clients and over a 2 month period they got harder, stronger and gained a noticeable amount of muscle (some of them physique competitors) one of my female clients competes naturally and I honestly asked her if she was taking something behind my back because I never expected so much out of a supplement alone.
As for fat burners, I made a previous post about my favorites… Either go with an ECA stack, HOT-ROX, indigo. (clen & t3 for prescription choices). There is no product on the market like Indigo-3G,it just doesn’t exist and I find it extremely important especially pre contest to keep you full and allow you to keep your carb intake relatively high while still losing fat, I use it right up to the day of my show. For a natural test booster, I only use Alpha Male (during my pct). I don’t think supplements are a waste of money at all, you just need to pick and choose the right ones… The gear and the supps enhance eachother, I can’t imagine a prep without one or the other.

Now for the Rx questions:
For your first time cycle as a physique competitor (without seeing pics) I would suggest something like this:
Test-p 100mg EOD
Mast-p 100mg EOD
Anavar @60mg/day OR winstrol @ 50mg/day
Nolvadex 10mg/day
HCG 250iu every 3rd day

It’s very basic but as a first cycle it would work great for you. Please send pics first. It’s possible you can play around with Clen or t3 but for physique I don’t think you’ll have to go there, you can get hard and lean from non-rx supplements combined with your cycle.

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Hey Shadow Pro,

Thanks again for replying! Thats very cool information and I am grateful to have it.
my diet looks like this (same thing every day)

6 egg white 2 yolks
1/2 cup oatmeal
10 almonds
teaspoon of honey
5oz lean ground beef

60g p shake

8oz chicken
1/2 cup veggies

60g p shake

10-8oz chicken or fish (fish on post workout days)
1cup white rice (post workout day)
1cup veggies

on workout days I add some carbs in before and after the workout. I don’t take any intra workout supplements and my pre is animal rage XL/Stak/MStak

I snapped a few pics and i have them uploaded to my onedrive - i shared them out for you here. http://1drv.ms/1lujW9O
just noticed I don’t have a chest shot lol, its not huge.

Thanks again for doing this. I really appreciate it.

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First of all I need to say thank you for having the courage to post pictures here, not a lot of guys have done this yet. And for everyone reading please note that pictures are very important because I need to see with my own 2 eyes what I’m trying to work with.

I am not trying to be offensive what so ever but in order to help you I need to tell you the truth and what my thoughts are… Ok here go:

You mentioned that you are under 15% bodyfat. By looking at the pictures I have to say you are more like 15-20 and this is a problem when starting the cycle I suggested. First thing I want you to do is lower your bodyfat to around 10% naturally. A good way to see if you’re there is to be able to see somewhat clear definition throughout the whole body, and a more accurate way to do it would be with a DEXA/DXA scan and these are available in most major cities. The numbers won’t lie and you’ll see exactly where you’re at.

Wait on the cycle and invest in the supplements I suggested until your bodyfat is lowered and then we will reevaluate. Most importantly let’s get the indigo, ECA & HOT-ROX on the go. Change your cardio to 4-5 days/week to HIIT (sprints being my first choice) if you can get to a track, something like 80-100m sprint then 80-100m jog (repeat 8-10x) and obviously after a good warm up. It will not hurt leg size, if anything it will help. Do this for the next 8 weeks. If you want to get lean faster, eat your daily carbs ONLY in the workout from Plazma (for the 8 weeks before we reassess)

Meal 1 egg whites to 10, drop egg yolks, oatmeal and honey & drop ground beef to 4oz

Meal 2 lower protein to 1.5servings of MAG-10 (not regular protein shake)

Meal 3 replace chicken with white fish

Meal 4 1.5 servings of MAG-10

Meal 5 only 8 oz of chicken or fish (not 10)

Meal 6 will be your intraworkout Plazma (3 servings)

** keep the post workout white rice… So carbs will be coming from Plazma (114g), rice (50g), MAG-10(30g)

Take your fat burners pre-cardio…

Day you aren’t training, you can add one more protein meal(8oz steak) and 1tbsp mct oil and drop Plazma in those days so you’ll be low carbing on the off days.

When you get down to the desired bodyfat (minimum 10%) then we can talk about the cycle. Please keep me updated on how it goes.

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Whats your take on George Farah? He seems to do a pretty good job getting his smaller athletes in great shape (Mark Anthony, DLB and a couple other of his bikini/figure/physique athletes) although as of late he hasn’t had many open BB class athletes do exceptionally well with conditioning (aside from kai greene). Do you think he would be a good coach for a younger/new athlete?

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[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:
Whats your take on George Farah? He seems to do a pretty good job getting his smaller athletes in great shape (Mark Anthony, DLB and a couple other of his bikini/figure/physique athletes) although as of late he hasn’t had many open BB class athletes do exceptionally well with conditioning (aside from kai greene). Do you think he would be a good coach for a younger/new athlete?[/quote]

As a professional I personally like George, he’s very knowledgeable… Would I recommend him to an amateur athlete? No, absolutely not. Unless you are the next hyped up USA champion. He has way too many clients to give real attention to new comers and because he’s so busy he seems to be losing his touch lately.

Physique athletes and bikini athletes are very easy to bring in condition, it’s not rocket science to bring a guy to 5-6% bodyfat. Mark Anthony and DLB would be in the same place regardless of who they are working with, there’s also a big political game here as you probably know.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:
Shadow… Thanks too for helping my questions…!
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You’re welcome, the reason I didn’t recommend caber is because im afraid after being shut down for so long that if you go on it might help a little bit while you’re on it but then shut you down even worse. That’s why I advise to try the more conservative route for this case.
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You think another strong PCT is best at this point?
Also, What about my current TT levels… they look good. Is there more to recover with PCT than just TT levels and the other sex howmones ( LH, Fsh…ect)…?

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Here’s what I think. Every strong PCT that you are doing will improve your libido. It’s not that I want to increase your current testosterone level, but it will do that as well. I want to give your libido another push and it should stay there or very close to good levels. It’s still my best option. The Cialis will also help a lot with this combo and I know this because I have had guys improve in similar situations (although not as extreme)

I’m not against caber, but if something goes wrong again after you go off then it might crash you even more.

Did you check your prolactin levels? And what other testing have you had recently?

Also, remember your not 20 years old anymore… These problems can sprout up at any point after our peak years. Guys always expect to come off juice and expect to be horny as a dog like they were when they were 18 but sadly it never happens.
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Shadow… Thanks man…! You are so very helpful…
Yes, prolactin is in range… I did manipulate it down and up with zero improvement…
I have had all realavent tests performed and once past the 7 mo th mark each one was not just in range, but optimal… I’ve had Scally, Crisler and a few “experts” look at them values…
Scally says give it more time… Crisler says at 18 mo THS things should clear up… A few experts say 2 years is possible and they’ve seen it with deca…
I was 40 when the cycle was tab and all was good… Libido was as strong as it was at 20… No joke…!
The cycle destroyed the libido 100%…
When I use cialis, your right, it does feel like an increase…
If you have any further suggestions, please let me know…
I’m here in Cali… Same time zone…!
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Shadow,
Let me add some details about the cycle since I neglected to do so already…
When I started the cycle I was unknowledgable and taking advise from the wrong crowd…
The cycle was
week 1-20 test E 550
week 1-20 deca 450
week 1-20 dbol 40 mg ed

Yes, I ran the d-bol for 20 weeks…! ( liver was still in range…!)
Everything was stopped at the same time…2 weeks out was Tamox 20 e/d
4 weeks out was clomid 50 e/d along with the tamox for 3 more weeks…
Finally at 7 months out all sex hormones were in range an optimized…
Libido was not recovered so on the advise of a Dr. I went back on test E 500 e/w for 4 weeks…Zero improvement in libido during that time.( bloods were taken to prove product was good) Was also on HCG 250 Iu every 3rd day during that cycle. With no improvement I ended the cycle and ran A proper Pct with HCG @ 500iu every 3 days for 3 weeks with clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks following…
The mood and energy was all repaired, but libido and weak erections remained…
If I run another PCT as you suggested, I am worried about E2 while blasting the HGC… can I run adex during that pct as the tamox and I dont do well…Or just lower my tamox dosing?
Thanks Boss…
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I think the biggest mistake you made(besides the cycle itself that wasn’t built very well) is the PCT you did after you went back on test(for 4 weeks) wasn’t aggressive enough. You can definitely run Adex instead of nolva on the pct I gave you, either one will work. Start with 1mg every 3rd day and up it to every other day if needed.

After reading this I’m pretty sure your libido will improve, keep me posted.
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Thank you Shadow pro…
Final question on the subject…
If left alone, with enough time is recovery likely to happen? Is the Aggressive pct a way to just make it happen quicker…?
Thank you for all your attention with this… I will keep you posted my man…!
Very kind regards.
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If you leave it alone there’s a possibility it can get better, I can’t guarantee anything. I think with the aggressive pct that I suggested gives you nothing to lose… You will feel better while on it and you will have a chance of a quicker recovery. My pleasure to help and yes, keep me posted.[/quote]
Thank you Shadow…
I will give it 1-2 more months then Do as you suggested… Now and again I see sighs of life so I will go 1-2 months more …
In the near future can you be reached through the forum?
Your presence here is beyond valuable… there is plenty of misinformation out there and your helping many play safe…
Thank you.

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@ztanzanite - I appreciate the feedback and I plan on sticking around… As long as you guys have questions, I’ll try my best to answer everything I can. Good luck & let me know if you need anything else.

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bro, how much ya bench?

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rager wrote:
Hey Shadow Pro,

I have a couple more questions.

  1. DNP- I have used this before with good success and I know the protocols to follow for it to be safe. The only problem is I just finished a show 3 weeks ago and I am currently sitting at 6.5% bf via 9 site caliper test. I kept my diet tight post show and I decided to do another show in 8 weeks. I know DNP has worked well in the past for me but at 6.5% I feel it may not have much of an effect bc I dont have enough bf on me to lose. I am not on any T3, clen or cardio and I do have time on my side but I want to maximize my post show rebound which I have been and at the same time do zero cardio or dieting bc I feel like it will effect my rebound. My thought process was use the DNP to take off the extra fat I have left in a 2 week period so I dont have to diet or do cardio or any fat burners. Make sense but wanted to get your thoughts on this?

  2. You mention you take clients but not on a commercial level. Well I am looking for someone to bounce ideas off of, not necessarily giving me diets but to give me feedback and help me through the process of dieting and offseason protocols. Basically a coach but a coach williing to work with me and my ideas. Commitment is no probelm, Ive been training for over 20 years and my workouts are grueling, I have gone through so many training partners bc most are not wiling to train hard enough, even though everyone is “hardcore”. PM me if your interested, I live in So. Cal.[/quote]

  3. Yes, dnp works… I also think that the ability to have quality training sessions is literally impossible while on it. I don’t think that 8 weeks is enough time to gain any kind of significant amounts of muscle. When you say you are 6.5% bf I am thinking you are no where near stage ready, you should be under 4% on a caliper test before even thinking about going on stage so this tells me you still have a long way to go. In addition, you aren’t taking any fat burners at the moment. Doing 20-30min of cardio a day won’t hurt your rebound or cause muscle loss… So get on it! Take Clen and t3 before cardio (doesn’t have to be a high dose) and adjust your diet in order to get to the correct bodyfat that you need to be on stage.

Dnp can also cause issues for the depletion and loading process, making you look flat as hell with no way to fix it except using extreme measures. I see more cons than pros so if I were you I’d get my ass in gear and start doing a bit of cardio, get on Clen and t3, adjust my diet and train like a mother fucker. Don’t pick the easy way out. Your look going onto stage will be much better if you go this route, trust me. Usually the more conservative way is the best. I’ll leave this up to you.

  1. I appreciate your interest but I am not taking anyone on right now, you are more than welcome to run things by me on here for everyone else to read. I am very busy concentrating on my career right now so I don’t have a lot of time. [/quote]

SP,

Thank you for addressing my questions. I probably left allot out but I do compete at around 3.5% on a 9 site caliper or 2.5% via hydrostatic underwater test. So 6.5% is no where near stage ready but for me, at 8 weeks out, thats low bc I tend to tighten up real quick towards the end.

I am aware that DNP causes water retention, lethargy, etc making workouts tough, but I think with only a 10-14 day blast I can deal with it, especially since its anti catabolic and all of the lost weight comes in the form of fat and not muscle…a huge plus for me. I am also trying to catch a post show rebound and I am 3 weeks into and I have never been so big and such a low bf % and I’m sure you know that most of our muscle gains can be made during post show rebound.

So I’m kinda juggling these last few weeks, going on a HGH-SLIN blast for the last 3 weeks and continuing it until 4 weeks out, then I will cut the slin out, but for the next 8 weeks I will lower the carbs slowly out of my diet but I am going to keep the slin in pre breakfast, intra and post until 4 weeks out. I can still lose bf bc I will make the caloric deficit through a reduction of carbs later in the day.

I figure the DNP will make a modest 2% reduction in my bf but that modest reduction would be at 4.5%, I would only need to lose about 2 more pounds to get down to 3.5% and I would have 6 weeks to do that, pretty easy I would think. The DNP can cause problems loading and depleting but I would do the DNP right about now so I have 6 weeks to adjust and literally lose 2-3lbs more to get into contest shape.

I was going to employ T3 and Clen at 6 weeks out after the DNP cycle to get things moving and do NO cardio and just adjust the diet to lose the 2-3lbs. Thoughts on this approach? I hate cardio, not bc its cardio but bc it always decimates my leg size. So it would look like this:

Weeks out

8-DNP, keep insulin in at pre breakfast, intra and PWO
7-DNP, keep insulin in at pre breakfast, intra and PWO
6-Add 25mg T3 and 100mcg of Clen, add in carbs slowly to adjust for the depletion of DNP and wait for water retention to fall off to see changes and adjust accordingly
5- Cut carbs by 20%
4-Carb cycle by reducing carbs by 50% for 2 days then up to normal and back down to 2 days, etc. DROP INSULIN, with the exception of High carb days every 3rd day.
3- Carb cycle by going 3 days at 50% before high day, then repeat
2- Increase T3 to 50mg. Drop High carb days all together by doing at a 50% reduction of carbs for all 7 days, Drop Insulin
1- Start depletion, contest prep week, drop Test and HGH, and drop all fat burners on Wednesday in order to fill out.

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so you ask him if you should use DNP, he says no, so you totally disregard the advice? Why ask for advice if you’re not going to take it?

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How do you over come pain ( elbow and knee pain ) is there anything you do or take other then HGH to help ?

Your thoughts on doing cardio on a empty stomach the minute you get up compare to doing it after a workout ?

have you ever had pain form injecting short ester and if so what did you do since you had to inject ed, other then rotate .

do you believe in doing less cc more injection or more cc less injection each day.

thank you the replies and been on here .

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[quote]Yogi wrote:
bro, how much ya bench?[/quote]

9400lbs bro!

This is what we call an airport question.

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[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
bro, how much ya bench?[/quote]

9400lbs bro!

This is what we call an airport question.
[/quote]

lol, I get it at parties usually. It’s always followed by the classic “How do I tone up? I don’t want to get too big, just lose my belly and get my arms bigger.”

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[quote]rager wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]rager wrote:
Hey Shadow Pro,

I have a couple more questions.

  1. DNP- I have used this before with good success and I know the protocols to follow for it to be safe. The only problem is I just finished a show 3 weeks ago and I am currently sitting at 6.5% bf via 9 site caliper test. I kept my diet tight post show and I decided to do another show in 8 weeks. I know DNP has worked well in the past for me but at 6.5% I feel it may not have much of an effect bc I dont have enough bf on me to lose. I am not on any T3, clen or cardio and I do have time on my side but I want to maximize my post show rebound which I have been and at the same time do zero cardio or dieting bc I feel like it will effect my rebound. My thought process was use the DNP to take off the extra fat I have left in a 2 week period so I dont have to diet or do cardio or any fat burners. Make sense but wanted to get your thoughts on this?

  2. You mention you take clients but not on a commercial level. Well I am looking for someone to bounce ideas off of, not necessarily giving me diets but to give me feedback and help me through the process of dieting and offseason protocols. Basically a coach but a coach williing to work with me and my ideas. Commitment is no probelm, Ive been training for over 20 years and my workouts are grueling, I have gone through so many training partners bc most are not wiling to train hard enough, even though everyone is “hardcore”. PM me if your interested, I live in So. Cal.[/quote]

  3. Yes, dnp works… I also think that the ability to have quality training sessions is literally impossible while on it. I don’t think that 8 weeks is enough time to gain any kind of significant amounts of muscle. When you say you are 6.5% bf I am thinking you are no where near stage ready, you should be under 4% on a caliper test before even thinking about going on stage so this tells me you still have a long way to go. In addition, you aren’t taking any fat burners at the moment. Doing 20-30min of cardio a day won’t hurt your rebound or cause muscle loss… So get on it! Take Clen and t3 before cardio (doesn’t have to be a high dose) and adjust your diet in order to get to the correct bodyfat that you need to be on stage.

Dnp can also cause issues for the depletion and loading process, making you look flat as hell with no way to fix it except using extreme measures. I see more cons than pros so if I were you I’d get my ass in gear and start doing a bit of cardio, get on Clen and t3, adjust my diet and train like a mother fucker. Don’t pick the easy way out. Your look going onto stage will be much better if you go this route, trust me. Usually the more conservative way is the best. I’ll leave this up to you.

  1. I appreciate your interest but I am not taking anyone on right now, you are more than welcome to run things by me on here for everyone else to read. I am very busy concentrating on my career right now so I don’t have a lot of time. [/quote]

SP,

Thank you for addressing my questions. I probably left allot out but I do compete at around 3.5% on a 9 site caliper or 2.5% via hydrostatic underwater test. So 6.5% is no where near stage ready but for me, at 8 weeks out, thats low bc I tend to tighten up real quick towards the end.

I am aware that DNP causes water retention, lethargy, etc making workouts tough, but I think with only a 10-14 day blast I can deal with it, especially since its anti catabolic and all of the lost weight comes in the form of fat and not muscle…a huge plus for me. I am also trying to catch a post show rebound and I am 3 weeks into and I have never been so big and such a low bf % and I’m sure you know that most of our muscle gains can be made during post show rebound.

So I’m kinda juggling these last few weeks, going on a HGH-SLIN blast for the last 3 weeks and continuing it until 4 weeks out, then I will cut the slin out, but for the next 8 weeks I will lower the carbs slowly out of my diet but I am going to keep the slin in pre breakfast, intra and post until 4 weeks out. I can still lose bf bc I will make the caloric deficit through a reduction of carbs later in the day.

I figure the DNP will make a modest 2% reduction in my bf but that modest reduction would be at 4.5%, I would only need to lose about 2 more pounds to get down to 3.5% and I would have 6 weeks to do that, pretty easy I would think. The DNP can cause problems loading and depleting but I would do the DNP right about now so I have 6 weeks to adjust and literally lose 2-3lbs more to get into contest shape.

I was going to employ T3 and Clen at 6 weeks out after the DNP cycle to get things moving and do NO cardio and just adjust the diet to lose the 2-3lbs. Thoughts on this approach? I hate cardio, not bc its cardio but bc it always decimates my leg size. So it would look like this:

Weeks out

8-DNP, keep insulin in at pre breakfast, intra and PWO
7-DNP, keep insulin in at pre breakfast, intra and PWO
6-Add 25mg T3 and 100mcg of Clen, add in carbs slowly to adjust for the depletion of DNP and wait for water retention to fall off to see changes and adjust accordingly
5- Cut carbs by 20%
4-Carb cycle by reducing carbs by 50% for 2 days then up to normal and back down to 2 days, etc. DROP INSULIN, with the exception of High carb days every 3rd day.
3- Carb cycle by going 3 days at 50% before high day, then repeat
2- Increase T3 to 50mg. Drop High carb days all together by doing at a 50% reduction of carbs for all 7 days, Drop Insulin
1- Start depletion, contest prep week, drop Test and HGH, and drop all fat burners on Wednesday in order to fill out.
[/quote]

Ok, so your first message wasn’t clear… I thought you were planning on doing the DNP in the last 2 weeks before the show. There are some good points and some very bad points in what you’re going to go. It’s a complex protocol and I don’t feel comfortable giving something like this without seeing who I’m dealing with.

What level is this show?

Can you please post a front and back double bicep picture?

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
bro, how much ya bench?[/quote]

9400lbs bro!

This is what we call an airport question.
[/quote]

lol, I get it at parties usually. It’s always followed by the classic “How do I tone up? I don’t want to get too big, just lose my belly and get my arms bigger.”

[/quote]

Parties? Wtf? I thought you are a bodybuilder?!

“I eat clean, but I’m fat!!” … “I just had a little muffin for breakfast, it’s not that bad… Right?”