[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Here ya go X…unlike yours mine is unpumped and in our work bathroom.
Stats:
6’1" 222lbs after my lunch poo.[/quote]
Damn, that’s a nice bathroom…[/quote]
Haha…like I said before, it is the locker room for the gym in the basement of our building.
Any other bathroom might have been weird if somebody walked in too see me with my shirt off.
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well…ethier way, I would be honored to poop there any day.
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Perhaps my looks are on par with Robert Redford’s, Mel Gibson’s, Brad Pitt’s, Simon Baker’s, and George Clooney’s.[/quote]
That’s an awfully thorough list of handsome men.[/quote]
Yeah. And come to think of it, the time frame in which I had the most dates was when I was at my fattest, partially because I was “living life” in that fatness.
X and some others speak as if fat people don’t have sex. Anyone take a walk around a mall lately?
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Just wanted to chime in and say that DD and Utah both put up some impressive photos there. There are certainly different developmental levels of guys in the gym. Average gym goer, serious rat, and then there’s the guys who have a well above average amount of size, BUT you can also see the detail and differentiation between the different muscle groups. This is a very different look than the ‘big’ guy who while sporting noticeable girth, also has everything just all mushing together.
I’d say you both fit well within that 3rd category IMO. Good work.
S
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I can’t tell you how good that makes me feel. Coming from you that makes my day.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I don’t know. I think I do okay. [/quote]
If your wheels are on par with your upper body, you’re bigger than X, provided adjustment for height if your of differing heights. [/quote]
Honestly, no, my legs are too small (not that X doesn’t have the same problem). Working hard on them though.
I’ve only been back into the BBing style thing for a few months.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I don’t know. I think I do okay. [/quote]
If your wheels are on par with your upper body, you’re bigger than X, provided adjustment for height if your of differing heights. [/quote]
Honestly, no, my legs are too small (not that X doesn’t have the same problem). Working hard on them though.
I’ve only been back into the BBing style thing for a few months.
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Well, you’ve already surpassed him in overall development, as has Utah.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]cally wrote:
In your opinion, what would that be?[/quote]
It isn’t about the specific number weight but in general, this is about where I was when I started dropping more body fat [photo]38711[/photo].
I liked my shoulders, my traps, my chest, my legs and everything else.
That took a very long time to build like that…and since losing fat is that easy to me as seen in those pics, why worry about gaining some extra body fat if I can drop it in a month or two to look decent in clothes?[/quote]
It’s quite easy to go from a high fat percentage to a not-as-high fat percentage. Like REALLY easy: simply eating a bit less. Progressing further in fat loss actually requires more than that, and I’m not talking about getting to contest lean.
You have a decent amount of upper body mass which would look even more impressive dieted down.
It amazes me how shortsighted people can be…
X, anyone who even casually peruses the forums will probably find out that you’re a dentist and hyoooge within 10 random threads in forums you post in. Everybody already knows this, so not only has it ceased to be relevant, but no one cares either. If you stopped playing the “I’m a dentist” and “I’m bigger than you, so your opinion is automatically invalidated” cards, then I truly believe that people would like and respect you a lot more, and we’d really see some valuable exchanges.
There’s also this matter of taking any dissenting opinion as a personal attack, resulting in a “win-at-all-costs” shitstorm thread for everyone involved. In all fairness, though, the blame for this can’t be pointed at any one person alone. I can understand how it might get very frustrating when you try to voice a different opinion and your detractors jump on your ass before giving you a fair chance to entertain the merits of your ideas to others. But such is the cost of your reputation preceding you.
You are a dentist and fucking huge. You obviously are a smart guy, but you seem to have trouble controlling your emotions. If you use that intelligence to control your anger and back up your opinions with science and cite good sources to support your claims when people try and tear you down, then not only will you have the last laugh, but you will be respected for both your demeanor and the value of the contributions you make.
Maybe some food for thought.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, the basic point is, I personally want a way bigger back than that…so I built one.
I want that over being the leanest guy in the room.
I am reaching my goals.
Be less worried about me and more worried about your own progress.[/quote]
Your back is fat. You have no idea how much mass you have. From that last pic you posted you are in the high teens body fat and have a very long way to even be at a respectable level of leanness. You will look good at a decent leaness but not crazy Impressive. I think you know this which is why you don’t ever diet [/quote]
This.
Years ago, I’m pretty sure X said he had plans to step on stage one day. Then within the last year or so, he tried to diet down and leaned out a little bit, but realized just how much size loss would be involved in stepping on stage and gave up on that goal. (If you remember, there was a period of time while dieting that he was going to say he weighed 150lbs.) Now he just knows being a full house is easier and he can still claim to be 250.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
From [photo]34604[/photo]
to
[photo]38707[/photo]
in three weeks.
Question, if fat loss can be seen that fast, why would I worry about being heavier for a while if it can help me maintain more muscle in the long run?[/quote]
Looks like shit either way. Big sloppy Rick Ross-looking mofo. The Wendy’s late nite perabulk just doesn’t do it for me. The revolt has begun.
I hear they can cut out that gyno cheap in Costa Rica.
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
It amazes me how shortsighted people can be…
X, anyone who even casually peruses the forums will probably find out that you’re a dentist and hyoooge within 10 random threads in forums you post in. Everybody already knows this, so not only has it ceased to be relevant, but no one cares either. If you stopped playing the “I’m a dentist” and “I’m bigger than you, so your opinion is automatically invalidated” cards, then I truly believe that people would like and respect you a lot more, and we’d really see some valuable exchanges.
There’s also this matter of taking any dissenting opinion as a personal attack, resulting in a “win-at-all-costs” shitstorm thread for everyone involved. In all fairness, though, the blame for this can’t be pointed at any one person alone. I can understand how it might get very frustrating when you try to voice a different opinion and your detractors jump on your ass before giving you a fair chance to entertain the merits of your ideas to others. But such is the cost of your reputation preceding you.
You are a dentist and fucking huge. You obviously are a smart guy, but you seem to have trouble controlling your emotions. If you use that intelligence to control your anger and back up your opinions with science and cite good sources to support your claims when people try and tear you down, then not only will you have the last laugh, but you will be respected for both your demeanor and the value of the contributions you make.
Maybe some food for thought.[/quote]
you know, there is just WAY TOO MUCH truth and common sense in this post. pleas leave the internet immediately sir, before you upset somebody.
i say it again, like it matters what the fuck I think about anything,
lets be honest, X is a hyooge mother fucker who IMHO looks impressive as hell, but its his My shit don’t stink" and “im bigger, smarter, better than everybody else” attitude that makes it easy for us to make fun of and nit-pick him apart.
again, i really do not think he is serious, he enjoys the attention, he is an attention whore, negative or positive, its all good to him.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
From [photo]34604[/photo]
to
[photo]38707[/photo]
in three weeks.
Question, if fat loss can be seen that fast, why would I worry about being heavier for a while if it can help me maintain more muscle in the long run?[/quote]
NorCal is acting like a tool, but at least he bumped this comparison since I missed it before. I don’t know if this has been addressed, but I’m feeling a little confused:
Are you using a picture that you previously claimed DOES NOT prove you were carrying too much fat because you purposefully manipulated your appearance (big meal, etc) to make yourself appear as sloppy as possible, per:
"For instance, that one pic was taken on a super full stomach with me TRYING to make it look as bad as possible. Yet, for some reason you are using that as how I looked most of the time?
… and then using that as a ‘before’ photo in a three week transformation comparison to prove to us, the people to whom you already clearly admitted it was a misleading image, how quickly you can lose fat?
At first I thought you meant it in a, “Supposing I WAS that fat…” kinda way, but you then immediately followed up with a response to cally’s query (about why you wouldn’t keep cutting if it’s so easy and painless) which stated that you were “working on gaining more muscular size which takes longer and takes more effort”… which, to me, at least, is a tacit admission that the before picture is a more truthful representation of your physique than you previously stated. Otherwise, you would have followed up instead with something along the lines of, “No, what I meant was that if I COULD drop fat that fast, why would I care so much about it,” right?
Oh, and you then followed that tacit admission with:
“…since (not “if”… SINCE) losing fat is that easy to me as seen in those pics…” which, actually, blows right past tacit into full-blown admission.
So, which is it? Were you REALLY that overweight and can you REALLY drop fat that fast… or are you trying to use a dishonest image of your day-to-day physical appearance to trick us, the people whose opinions you don’t care about (stated in a different thread, not gonna track it down sry), into thinking just that all so you can win an argument on the Internet??
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Here ya go X…unlike yours mine is unpumped and in our work bathroom.
Stats:
6’1" 222lbs after my lunch poo.[/quote]
Damn, that’s a nice bathroom…[/quote]
damn, thats a nice back, no homo, not that there is anything wrong with that.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Not fair.
You cannot comment on how people look lean, until you yourself get that lean.
You have no idea how you would look…so you cannot comment without leaning up.
You may be a LOT lighter than you think you will.[/quote]
Cool, then you shouldn’t be commenting on how to get really big at all anymore.
[/quote]
Big and muscular or full house fatty?
Because I don’t know if you can comment on the first one either.
[/quote]
ZING…
Utah and DD look damned impressive. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush so they say and muscles that arent obliterated or smudged by a layer of fat are definately there and exist and are not just assumed. For what it is worth I think both DD and Utah have better physiques than X does but ofcourse that is in my opinion
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
It amazes me how shortsighted people can be…
X, anyone who even casually peruses the forums will probably find out that you’re a dentist and hyoooge within 10 random threads in forums you post in. Everybody already knows this, so not only has it ceased to be relevant, but no one cares either. If you stopped playing the “I’m a dentist” and “I’m bigger than you, so your opinion is automatically invalidated” cards, then I truly believe that people would like and respect you a lot more, and we’d really see some valuable exchanges.
There’s also this matter of taking any dissenting opinion as a personal attack, resulting in a “win-at-all-costs” shitstorm thread for everyone involved. In all fairness, though, the blame for this can’t be pointed at any one person alone. I can understand how it might get very frustrating when you try to voice a different opinion and your detractors jump on your ass before giving you a fair chance to entertain the merits of your ideas to others. But such is the cost of your reputation preceding you.
You are a dentist and fucking huge. You obviously are a smart guy, but you seem to have trouble controlling your emotions. If you use that intelligence to control your anger and back up your opinions with science and cite good sources to support your claims when people try and tear you down, then not only will you have the last laugh, but you will be respected for both your demeanor and the value of the contributions you make.
Maybe some food for thought.[/quote]
you know, there is just WAY TOO MUCH truth and common sense in this post. pleas leave the internet immediately sir, before you upset somebody.
[/quote]
No Heavythrower not until his and your avi’s merge
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
You obviously are a smart guy, but you seem to have trouble controlling your emotions. [/quote]
I disagree 100%. I believe he is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Alot of basic arguments through quantitative reasoning from guys like Brick and Stu are completely lost on him. I don’t believe he’s trolling or just looking for a debate, but actually doesn’t comprehend them.
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
From [photo]34604[/photo]
to
[photo]38707[/photo]
in three weeks.
Question, if fat loss can be seen that fast, why would I worry about being heavier for a while if it can help me maintain more muscle in the long run?[/quote]
NorCal is acting like a tool, but at least he bumped this comparison since I missed it before. I don’t know if this has been addressed, but I’m feeling a little confused:
Are you using a picture that you previously claimed DOES NOT prove you were carrying too much fat because you purposefully manipulated your appearance (big meal, etc) to make yourself appear as sloppy as possible, per:
"For instance, that one pic was taken on a super full stomach with me TRYING to make it look as bad as possible. Yet, for some reason you are using that as how I looked most of the time?
… and then using that as a ‘before’ photo in a three week transformation comparison to prove to us, the people to whom you already clearly admitted it was a misleading image, how quickly you can lose fat?
At first I thought you meant it in a, “Supposing I WAS that fat…” kinda way, but you then immediately followed up with a response to cally’s query (about why you wouldn’t keep cutting if it’s so easy and painless) which stated that you were “working on gaining more muscular size which takes longer and takes more effort”… which, to me, at least, is a tacit admission that the before picture is a more truthful representation of your physique than you previously stated. Otherwise, you would have followed up instead with something along the lines of, “No, what I meant was that if I COULD drop fat that fast, why would I care so much about it,” right?
Oh, and you then followed that tacit admission with:
“…since (not “if”… SINCE) losing fat is that easy to me as seen in those pics…” which, actually, blows right past tacit into full-blown admission.
So, which is it? Were you REALLY that overweight and can you REALLY drop fat that fast… or are you trying to use a dishonest image of your day-to-day physical appearance to trick us, the people whose opinions you don’t care about (stated in a different thread, not gonna track it down sry), into thinking just that all so you can win an argument on the Internet??[/quote]
Going from obese to a lesser degree of obesity is easy for most people, provided there’s no medical problem. One can wing things and just eat less than they were before.
Going from fat to somewhat lean takes more a bit more discipline and strength might temporarily suffer because of the decreased leverage.
Going from somewhat lean to LEAN is a lot of damn work, and I really don’t think the people who consider “losing fat is easy” (usually permabulkers) know what they’re talking about. They think that because they’ve “paid their dues in the kitchen” and put up the big weights, that leaning out will be a walk in the park. Eating big and lifting big are enjoyable to these people, as it is to everyone else who likes the gym. Doing something that is hard but enjoyable IS easy. It takes exerting yourself, which most physical people LIKE doing. Now, take leaning out: tracking calories and nutrients, the mirror, measurements, photographs, feeling flat and foggy at times, and making adjustments and being as you go is NOT easy–not to mention near constant HUNGER!
I’m of the belief, though I can’t prove it, that one can reset their hunger set point. That is, permabulkers set their hunger setpoint high, even if it’s a setpoint that is making the body fatter and fatter. So, at the slightest reduction of calories or just a few hours without eating, the permabulker feels hunger. Contrast this with someone who has regulated their body more closely, who doesn’t have this trigger. So at the first sign of hunger the permabulker feels flat and hungry. Usually the permabulker thinks flat=muscle and strength loss, when it doesn’t for all cases. One can be flat and just as strong and muscular as they were when they felt “full”. This is not easy to deal with.
Even though they trim down and retain muscle when coming down, they are in reality taking up less space. So in literal terms they are smaller, though they are not smaller muscularly. They are still big, but not as big, and this is the antithesis of their signature: “the big guy”.
Tracking nutrition can be a pain in the ass when getting lean. Though you can get lean on some “shit foods” (vague term for me at this point) so long as protein and caloric amount are intact, you can’t just go to a restaurant, order a mix meal and know what’s going on with your food unless it’s one of those places that lists calories. (Most likely wrong, Ever see the caloric ranges on some of these dishes?! How the heck am I supposed to know what I’m taking in when the range is like 500 to 1,000 or more).
No, it’s not easy, despite what PB’s say.
X or anyone else can say it’s easy all they want.
6/6. Not bad, but just to be clear: I’m not interested in arguing whether or not X is fat or whether or not he CAN drop weight as quickly as he thinks. I just want an explanation as to why the picture he ORIGINALLY stated was supposed to make him look like his absolute worst is, on another, used as an example of his previous body composition before his 3-week weight loss transformation, a comparison he uses to illustrate how quickly he can drop fat.
If the picture IS manipulated to make him look as shitty as possible, what does using it as a ‘before’ photo do to justify his mentality towards bulking (because in this case he clearly can’t lose that fat as quickly as he claims, a central point in defending his long-term approach)? If the picture IS NOT manipulated, why did he argue for pages and pages about it NOT being a reflection of how he used to look?
Basically, why all the deceit?