[quote]Scott M wrote:
If the term “body fat percentage” wasn’t in beginners vocabulary how much farther does everyone here think the average guy would be towards his goals?
My guess, a lot. [/quote]
No doubt about it. When I first got into lifting I didn’t even know there was way to test for that and I’m sure I was better off. All I knew was it hurt when I pushed myself, I got sore and my damn muscles started growing. Hell, I was eating Burger King across the street from the gym after my workouts for a while because I didn’t know any better. Not recommending that, but my point is not knowing what to get all preoccupied with probably saved me some grief.
[quote]will to power wrote:
who do you honestly think has an easier time putting on more fat, someone already quite fat or a really lean guy? Assume genetics etc are equal.
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I think the fat guy wins simply because he is obviously eating enough calories to be fat so that will be plenty to gain muscle. I don’t think its cuz he already has slabs of lard on him. its because he’s definitely consuming enough food, where the lean individual may not be.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
will to power wrote:
who do you honestly think has an easier time putting on more fat, someone already quite fat or a really lean guy? Assume genetics etc are equal.
I think the fat guy wins simply because he is obviously eating enough calories to be fat so that will be plenty to gain muscle. I don’t think its cuz he already has slabs of lard on him. its because he’s definitely consuming enough food, where the lean individual may not be.[/quote]
Actually I meant that ignoring muscle gain for a second, the fatter guy would have to increase his calories by more to get even fatter than the leaner guy would [to get any fatter]. Your body has some regulatory mechanisms, it doesn’t want to be too fat just like it doesn’t want to be too lean. What I’m trying to refute is the idea that if you’re fatter you’ll gain more fat in your bulking than if leaner. I know the idea is put out by people more experienced than I am, but I just really disagree with it.
[quote]will to power wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
will to power wrote:
who do you honestly think has an easier time putting on more fat, someone already quite fat or a really lean guy? Assume genetics etc are equal.
I think the fat guy wins simply because he is obviously eating enough calories to be fat so that will be plenty to gain muscle. I don’t think its cuz he already has slabs of lard on him. its because he’s definitely consuming enough food, where the lean individual may not be.
Actually I meant that ignoring muscle gain for a second, the fatter guy would have to increase his calories by more to get even fatter than the leaner guy would [to get any fatter]. Your body has some regulatory mechanisms, it doesn’t want to be too fat just like it doesn’t want to be too lean. What I’m trying to refute is the idea that if you’re fatter you’ll gain more fat in your bulking than if leaner. I know the idea is put out by people more experienced than I am, but I just really disagree with it.[/quote]
I disagree, leaner people have better insuline sensitivity than fat people. And if it is harder for a fat person to get fatter then why are there so many 400 lb americans and they are all getting fatter? When you’re fat it’s easier to get fat.
[quote]tykraus7 wrote:
I disagree, leaner people have better insuline sensitivity than fat people. And if it is harder for a fat person to get fatter then why are there so many 400 lb americans and they are all getting fatter? When you’re fat it’s easier to get fat.
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I have zero experience with the morbidly obese, so maybe if you reach that level of fat the insulin sensitivity issue would change things but that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about being smooth, as in no abs, maybe a slight belly etc. Fat by bodybuilding standards, not fat compared to the national average. Insulin sensitivity at that point need not be compromised, but I do believe your body does have auto regulatory mechanisms so it stays at a happy level of fat based on diet, activity levels and genetics.
As for why are there so many 400lb Americans, I ask you why there were none in days past? The answer is that it’s not easy to get that fat and takes practically a dedicated effort to avoid any movement and eat the absolute worst foods possible.
[quote]tykraus7 wrote:
will to power wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
will to power wrote:
who do you honestly think has an easier time putting on more fat, someone already quite fat or a really lean guy? Assume genetics etc are equal.
I think the fat guy wins simply because he is obviously eating enough calories to be fat so that will be plenty to gain muscle. I don’t think its cuz he already has slabs of lard on him. its because he’s definitely consuming enough food, where the lean individual may not be.
Actually I meant that ignoring muscle gain for a second, the fatter guy would have to increase his calories by more to get even fatter than the leaner guy would [to get any fatter]. Your body has some regulatory mechanisms, it doesn’t want to be too fat just like it doesn’t want to be too lean. What I’m trying to refute is the idea that if you’re fatter you’ll gain more fat in your bulking than if leaner. I know the idea is put out by people more experienced than I am, but I just really disagree with it.
I disagree, leaner people have better insuline sensitivity than fat people. And if it is harder for a fat person to get fatter then why are there so many 400 lb americans and they are all getting fatter? When you’re fat it’s easier to get fat.
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This is false. There is no fact or study anywhere that shows simply being fatter than someone else means you will GAIN more fat. There are 400lbs people because if you watch some of these heifers on the Discovery Channel, you will soon see that they STUFF themselves over several meals a day…which is really just one big ass meal. People don’t “accidentally” get that fat.
The lifestyle that gets you to 300 will eventually get you to 400…and more…
[quote]ddinante wrote:
The lifestyle that gets you to 300 will eventually get you to 400…and more…[/quote]
How many people are 300lbs? How many people on this website will ever be 300, whether in muscle or as a fatass?
I refuse to believe that anyone who reads a bodybuilding website and understands the basics of what it is to eat healthily will ever end up as a chronically obese mound of chub.
Do you realize how little physical activity and immense stuffing it takes to reach 300lbs of fat?
[quote]tykraus7 wrote:
<<< I disagree, leaner people have better insuline sensitivity than fat people. And if it is harder for a fat person to get fatter then why are there so many 400 lb americans and they are all getting fatter? When you’re fat it’s easier to get fat.
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When oh when oh when will people quit using studies done on usually middle aged, cosmically corpulent sedentary face stuffing slobs as if they were applicable in any way to active young people who train with weights and likely do some cardio as well?
I will cautiously concede that I believe there is probably something to the idea that someone who was once VERY overweight may store fat easier than someone who wasn’t, but that also has nothing whatever to do with almost anybody citing this kind of data.
I could be proven wrong about this part one day, but I also believe that even if someone was once morbidly obese they can retrain their metabolism over time to not be nearly as efficient at storing fat as it was when they got started without eating like a newborn hamster to do it.