Is anyone doing PP instead Press?
[quote]RAWRER wrote:
Is anyone doing PP instead Press? [/quote]
Sometimes. I am not a form nazi and my muscles can’t really tell the difference anyways. I generally press and when I get tired add a little push to get the reps. Little push being the operative term here.
The form nazi will say that if you can’t press it lower the weight and maintain impeccable form. This is your training so you will have to decide how you want to do it.
Consult the Thibaudeau board on what a push press really is (and is not), that would be a good first step.
The problem with allowing optional ‘body english’ on a 5/3/1 movement would be that you arent really gauging progress as the program intends. For example if your strict press PR at a given weight is 5 reps, and on a 5/3/1 set you get 5 strict and another one with ‘a little push’ how do you really record PRs, training maxes, etc? Not saying its a dumb idea in general, but I just dont think it fits with 5/3/1 specifically.
As far as using push press for a 5/3/1 movement, I say go for it. It works for just about any good compound barbell movement you want to get stronger at.
[quote]mkral55 wrote:
The problem with allowing optional ‘body english’ on a 5/3/1 movement would be that you arent really gauging progress as the program intends. For example if your strict press PR at a given weight is 5 reps, and on a 5/3/1 set you get 5 strict and another one with ‘a little push’ how do you really record PRs, training maxes, etc? Not saying its a dumb idea in general, but I just dont think it fits with 5/3/1 specifically.
As far as using push press for a 5/3/1 movement, I say go for it. It works for just about any good compound barbell movement you want to get stronger at. [/quote]
Just don’t count the extra rep with the push, or record it separately. Treat it like a cheat rep.
I add a few sets of push press on as joker sets once I’ve hit a rep PR and a MP joker set or two. As an intermediate lifter, I’ve found that the tiny amount of additional heavy work has been beneficial. I think MP is a lift where there may always be very slight mental blocks, particularly if you train alone, as to me it is the lift where the most can go wrong, and where progress comes in the smallest of leaps. I find that regularly putting significantly heavier loads than I MP over head keeps my mind in the right place for MP sets. I usually do 2-3 PP joker singles, then do MP FSL as programmed.
I’ve read from other people on 5/3/1, that are pretty knowledgeable, that they Push Press the main lift and OHP the BBB lift. It was actually a pretty interesting conversation. I never thought to look at it that way.
I feel they don’t really work the shoulders more legs and triceps and don’t really translate to benching I wouldn’t do them unless your training for strongman and you need to master them.
And on that day, not a single person took my advice.
Ask yourself, “does CT have huge fucking shoulders?”
If - YES - go read what he says about push press.
If - NO - well, don’t.