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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Anyhow, if you cannot conveniently kill Bambis mom, act like a dick.

If you cannot scratch your balls in public, leer at other girls and say something so self centered that Donald Trump would be in awe, you cannot even compete with the average trailer park inhabitant and are not worthy of a woman, you barely qualify for a fleshlight. [/quote]

this is getting interesting now, what would this achieve?[/quote]

I am assuming the acting like a dick bit?

To demonstrate that you dont give a fuck.

You defy social conventions and get away with it you bad, bad, baaaaaad boy.

Admittedly, that probably only works on trailer trash and, ironically, on the hottest of the hot, but that is really the ground level, half a step above a chimpanzee.

There is no reason why you cannot instill a low level of dread every now and then, come home drunk as a skunk once every month, forget her birthday and whatnot.

The trick is in not apologizing.

Nothing fancy, just installing in her mind that she is not the center of your universe and that you are not that impressed with how she feels about things.

If you had laid strong foundations you would not do any of this, but you havent, havent you?

I bet you bought her…flowers… shudders… before you had sex even…[/quote]

ya, I was meaning the dick acting.

But surely you can defy social conventions without being a dick? I mean, I can show I don’t give a fuck without being Trump, can I not? And how do you know that women like guys that defy conventions in the first place?

Surely you are not insinuating that all women want the same thing?

Nope, no pre-sex flowers or flowers of any kind (although I’ve bought her a puppy for xmas which I think probably makes me more of a sap), lol, and yes, I have laid good strong foundations. My girls isn’t going to leave me, not even with my low sexual market value.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:

One of the saddest fucking things I’ve ever read on this website.
I love sex. My wife and I have fairly good sex (well, not for another two weeks–stitches in the vagina and all that). But really? The relationship is good apart from the sex too. I want more than a fuckbuddy. I could have that easily enough I guess, but goddamnit, I want someone to act as a life partner. Someone that’ll help me around the house, be supportive after a shitty day, honestly care for me, etc. The sex is definitely important in a relationship, don’t get me wrong…but if that’s all you care about in relationships, then you’re a sad deluded person.[/quote]

Stop making sense, please.[/quote]

He doesnt.

He talks about what he wants not what reality is like.
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He is talking about the reality of a lot of men, just not a reality that you will ever be in. Because you have no intention of ever wanting that type of life, which is fine that is your life.

However you making assumptions about happily married men is making you look like a small minded prick. Its the internet so you can be anything you want to be with no accountability, however some of us have met in real life and can substantiate what we have been saying.

paulwhite959 basically stated what most of the men I am friends with believe their marriage to be and what they want. Because you have a different view and belief does not make our view wrong or us ignorant of women.

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Anyhow, if you cannot conveniently kill Bambis mom, act like a dick.

If you cannot scratch your balls in public, leer at other girls and say something so self centered that Donald Trump would be in awe, you cannot even compete with the average trailer park inhabitant and are not worthy of a woman, you barely qualify for a fleshlight. [/quote]

this is getting interesting now, what would this achieve?[/quote]

I am assuming the acting like a dick bit?

To demonstrate that you dont give a fuck.

You defy social conventions and get away with it you bad, bad, baaaaaad boy.

Admittedly, that probably only works on trailer trash and, ironically, on the hottest of the hot, but that is really the ground level, half a step above a chimpanzee.

There is no reason why you cannot instill a low level of dread every now and then, come home drunk as a skunk once every month, forget her birthday and whatnot.

The trick is in not apologizing.

Nothing fancy, just installing in her mind that she is not the center of your universe and that you are not that impressed with how she feels about things.

If you had laid strong foundations you would not do any of this, but you havent, havent you?

I bet you bought her…flowers… shudders… before you had sex even…[/quote]

ya, I was meaning the dick acting.

But surely you can defy social conventions without being a dick? I mean, I can show I don’t give a fuck without being Trump, can I not? And how do you know that women like guys that defy conventions in the first place?

Surely you are not insinuating that all women want the same thing?

Nope, no pre-sex flowers or flowers of any kind (although I’ve bought her a puppy for xmas which I think probably makes me more of a sap), lol, and yes, I have laid good strong foundations. My girls isn’t going to leave me, not even with my low sexual market value.[/quote]

How are you supposed to know?

Because I say so and yes on a fundamental level they all want the same thing.

There are no special little snowflakes.

The idea that evolution somehow showers the world with special little snowflakes who all have their special little programming is prima facie absurd.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:

One of the saddest fucking things I’ve ever read on this website.
I love sex. My wife and I have fairly good sex (well, not for another two weeks–stitches in the vagina and all that). But really? The relationship is good apart from the sex too. I want more than a fuckbuddy. I could have that easily enough I guess, but goddamnit, I want someone to act as a life partner. Someone that’ll help me around the house, be supportive after a shitty day, honestly care for me, etc. The sex is definitely important in a relationship, don’t get me wrong…but if that’s all you care about in relationships, then you’re a sad deluded person.[/quote]

Stop making sense, please.[/quote]

He doesnt.

He talks about what he wants not what reality is like.
[/quote]
He is talking about the reality of a lot of men, just not a reality that you will ever be in. Because you have no intention of ever wanting that type of life, which is fine that is your life.

However you making assumptions about happily married men is making you look like a small minded prick. Its the internet so you can be anything you want to be with no accountability, however some of us have met in real life and can substantiate what we have been saying.

paulwhite959 basically stated what most of the men I am friends with believe their marriage to be and what they want. Because you have a different view and belief does not make our view wrong or us ignorant of women. [/quote]

This whole post is entirely irrelevant.

I am not saying that you cannot do this, I am saying you cant if you do not have the right foundations and those are definitely not those of the official narrative.

Just because some men stumbled into them and built on them does not make it any less true, in fact, those are the very worst when it comes to finding out what is going on.

They have no clue, how could they know anything.

If you want to know how something works you ask someone who had to fight every step along the way.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:

One of the saddest fucking things I’ve ever read on this website.
I love sex. My wife and I have fairly good sex (well, not for another two weeks–stitches in the vagina and all that). But really? The relationship is good apart from the sex too. I want more than a fuckbuddy. I could have that easily enough I guess, but goddamnit, I want someone to act as a life partner. Someone that’ll help me around the house, be supportive after a shitty day, honestly care for me, etc. The sex is definitely important in a relationship, don’t get me wrong…but if that’s all you care about in relationships, then you’re a sad deluded person.[/quote]

Stop making sense, please.[/quote]

He doesnt.

He talks about what he wants not what reality is like.
[/quote]
He is talking about the reality of a lot of men, just not a reality that you will ever be in. Because you have no intention of ever wanting that type of life, which is fine that is your life.

However you making assumptions about happily married men is making you look like a small minded prick. Its the internet so you can be anything you want to be with no accountability, however some of us have met in real life and can substantiate what we have been saying.

paulwhite959 basically stated what most of the men I am friends with believe their marriage to be and what they want. Because you have a different view and belief does not make our view wrong or us ignorant of women. [/quote]

If you want to know how something works you ask someone who had to fight every step along the way.

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Exactly that is what a father is called. I would not ask the guy who is over the hill, alone and still pumping 20 year olds from the local bar. How is that person knowledgeable about successful relationships?

I dont go ask the guy in line at the unemployment office how to run my business.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Exactly that is what a father is called. I would not ask the guy who is over the hill, alone and still pumping 20 year olds from the local bar. How is that person knowledgeable about successful relationships?

I dont go ask the guy in line at the unemployment office how to run my business. [/quote]

What’s wrong with 20 year olds from the local bar? I’m dating one of them.

But I think the answer is somewhere in between. There are a set of skills that tap into primal biological urges, and there are a set of skills involved in having and maintaining a successful long term relationship. In my experience, it’s worth having both.

Actually, I think it’s really important that you have both. While certain tactics from the former category (like, um, “asshole game”) aren’t appropriate to a successful relationship, other aspects are.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Exactly that is what a father is called. I would not ask the guy who is over the hill, alone and still pumping 20 year olds from the local bar. How is that person knowledgeable about successful relationships?

I dont go ask the guy in line at the unemployment office how to run my business. [/quote]

What’s wrong with 20 year olds from the local bar? I’m dating one of them.

But I think the answer is somewhere in between. There are a set of skills that tap into primal biological urges, and there are a set of skills involved in having and maintaining a successful long term relationship. In my experience, it’s worth having both.

Actually, I think it’s really important that you have both. While certain tactics from the former category (like, um, “asshole game”) aren’t appropriate to a successful relationship, other aspects are.[/quote]
Re-Read IMO the over 40 guy still trolling local bars and tapping 20 year old ass is fine, HOWEVER that is not the guy I am going to ask relationship advice from.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

What’s wrong with 20 year olds from the local bar? I’m dating one of them.
[/quote]

What’s wrong with asking these guys for marriage advice? Let’s go to the tape to find out:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
I just think it’s wrong when women think that an education and a successful career make them somehow more ‘valuable’ in the dating/marriage arena, especially as compared to a hot 19yo gym bunny with great conversational skills.
[/quote]

…That’s what’s wrong with it.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Exactly that is what a father is called. I would not ask the guy who is over the hill, alone and still pumping 20 year olds from the local bar. How is that person knowledgeable about successful relationships?

I dont go ask the guy in line at the unemployment office how to run my business. [/quote]

What’s wrong with 20 year olds from the local bar? I’m dating one of them.

But I think the answer is somewhere in between. There are a set of skills that tap into primal biological urges, and there are a set of skills involved in having and maintaining a successful long term relationship. In my experience, it’s worth having both.

Actually, I think it’s really important that you have both. While certain tactics from the former category (like, um, “asshole game”) aren’t appropriate to a successful relationship, other aspects are.[/quote]
Re-Read IMO the over 40 guy still trolling local bars and tapping 20 year old ass is fine, HOWEVER that is not the guy I am going to ask relationship advice from. [/quote]

Yeah, I knew what you meant :wink: I just latched onto the 20yo comment. I asked that question entirely in jest.

I guess I look at the whole situation like this:

If you’re single and looking for something – even if you’re looking for something serious – it’s worth developing the skills to stack the deck in your favor. The larger you can make your dating pool, the more likely you’ll find the “right” girl. While one approach filters that down into who will go home with you that night, there’s no reason you can’t use other criteria.

I would say that the guy who’s capable of having a one-night-stand has a higher chance of meeting a girl who complements him well, than the guy who can’t do that (not that it doesn’t happen). Of course, being capable of a one-night-stand doesn’t mean he has to act on it; it’s just one of many measures of socio-sexual desirability.

Every relationship has to start somewhere.

HOWEVER, I think once you’ve moved past a certain point, actual genuine relationship skills are what matters. Can you make it past the 5th or 6th date and still enjoy each others company? Is she talking positively about you to her friends? Etc.

And then as things get more serious, other skills are important, like knowing how to be supportive without getting walked all over. In fact, I think this is exactly where understanding the SMV-related skills are important in a LTR… it gives you the confidence so you know at some level that you really can leave and find someone else.

I think that’s a problem with many guys, at least early on in their dating career. They really don’t think they can do better, so they’ll give in on certain things that they really shouldn’t. A good male friends support structure can help, but a lot of guys do get pushed around / pussy whipped. And knowing that you can leave and find someone else, even if you would never ever actually do it, helps provide a foundation for standing up for yourself.

I don’t have the answers, it’s just how I see it.

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

What’s wrong with 20 year olds from the local bar? I’m dating one of them.
[/quote]

What’s wrong with asking these guys for marriage advice? Let’s go to the tape to find out:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
I just think it’s wrong when women think that an education and a successful career make them somehow more ‘valuable’ in the dating/marriage arena, especially as compared to a hot 19yo gym bunny with great conversational skills.
[/quote]

…That’s what’s wrong with it.[/quote]

That’s quite a bit out of context… but even so, I don’t see what you’re implying?

I suppose I was a bit too absolute with my wording in the latter comment, but the context was referring to attractiveness, and it was a somewhat extreme example. All things being equal (and I’m intentionally using extremes here), women tend to prefer an ugly rich guy over a hot guy who lives on his buddies couch. Men tend to prefer a hot girl who lives on her girlfriend’s couch over an ugly rich woman. In reality, it’s the “less-hot more-successful” guy vs the “hotter less-successful” guy, and the opposite for men.

And, the rest of the context was, I think it’s very serious mistake for women to think that men prioritize attractiveness and career/education/etc success the same way women do.

FWIW, my ex is a doctor, hot, smart, obviously well educated, successful. This was a serious long term relationship. Personally, I prefer career success AND attractiveness. But I (and most guys) have a bias toward attractiveness.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Exactly that is what a father is called. I would not ask the guy who is over the hill, alone and still pumping 20 year olds from the local bar. How is that person knowledgeable about successful relationships?

I dont go ask the guy in line at the unemployment office how to run my business. [/quote]

What’s wrong with 20 year olds from the local bar? I’m dating one of them.

But I think the answer is somewhere in between. There are a set of skills that tap into primal biological urges, and there are a set of skills involved in having and maintaining a successful long term relationship. In my experience, it’s worth having both.

Actually, I think it’s really important that you have both. While certain tactics from the former category (like, um, “asshole game”) aren’t appropriate to a successful relationship, other aspects are.[/quote]
Re-Read IMO the over 40 guy still trolling local bars and tapping 20 year old ass is fine, HOWEVER that is not the guy I am going to ask relationship advice from. [/quote]

Yeah, I knew what you meant :wink: I just latched onto the 20yo comment. I asked that question entirely in jest.

I guess I look at the whole situation like this:

If you’re single and looking for something – even if you’re looking for something serious – it’s worth developing the skills to stack the deck in your favor. The larger you can make your dating pool, the more likely you’ll find the “right” girl. While one approach filters that down into who will go home with you that night, there’s no reason you can’t use other criteria.

I would say that the guy who’s capable of having a one-night-stand has a higher chance of meeting a girl who complements him well, than the guy who can’t do that (not that it doesn’t happen). Of course, being capable of a one-night-stand doesn’t mean he has to act on it; it’s just one of many measures of socio-sexual desirability.

Every relationship has to start somewhere.

HOWEVER, I think once you’ve moved past a certain point, actual genuine relationship skills are what matters. Can you make it past the 5th or 6th date and still enjoy each others company? Is she talking positively about you to her friends? Etc.

And then as things get more serious, other skills are important, like knowing how to be supportive without getting walked all over. In fact, I think this is exactly where understanding the SMV-related skills are important in a LTR… it gives you the confidence so you know at some level that you really can leave and find someone else.

I think that’s a problem with many guys, at least early on in their dating career. They really don’t think they can do better, so they’ll give in on certain things that they really shouldn’t. A good male friends support structure can help, but a lot of guys do get pushed around / pussy whipped. And knowing that you can leave and find someone else, even if you would never ever actually do it, helps provide a foundation for standing up for yourself.

I don’t have the answers, it’s just how I see it.[/quote]

You have very valid points and I agree with a lot of them.

If you were trying to catch cat fish in the middle of the Atlantic ocean what do you think your chances are?

You will find quality for long term relationship success in situations that are away from “the game” IMO.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
If you were trying to catch cat fish in the middle of the Atlantic ocean what do you think your chances are?

You will find quality for long term relationship success in situations that are away from “the game” IMO. [/quote]

I agree.

And yeah, you really do have to be selective in what ideas you borrow. The concepts in general are pretty sound. [Unfortunately?] Many techniques are pretty tailored to getting a girl to go home with you.

Conversational skills, confidence, dressing well (and by extension, dressing well AND being entirely comfortable and natural with it), being decisive, knowing when to be direct and when not to be, stuff like that.

Some people figure that out on their own, but a lot of the real “game” stuff comes down to just learning those basics. The PUA community has at least identified those essentials and worked on ways to teach it. Along with a whole bunch of other crap on top of it.

Getting a girl’s number within 60 seconds of meeting her? To me that’s like juggling while standing on a tightrope. Impressive, but completely irrelevant to anything I want out of life.

The nice thing about those skills though, is they’re applicable to any situation where you might actually meet a girl you might actually want to seriously date. Realistically, you’re not going to find that in the bar/club scene. But you might at a wedding. You might at some wine/appetizer event some friends are hosting. You might at the gas station, or the grocery store, or a bookstore, or any random place that two people can meet. And a lot of that stuff is equally applicable wherever you are.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

Actually, I think it’s really important that you have both. While certain tactics from the former category (like, um, “asshole game”) aren’t appropriate to a successful relationship, other aspects are.[/quote]

They totally are appropriate, upstanding trailer trash has kept their women in line with this for decades.

Admittedly, if you want to date outside of the feral Bonobo range you need to refine your approach a bit, but the underlying principles stay the same.

The reason why a women of higher socio economic classes wont stand for this shit is not so much because it would not work on them, but because you are outing yourself as low class, which is a hypergamic no-no.

Be a more creative and competent dick that is on her level or, ideally, above her level but not so much above it that she cannot see it any more and its hella appropriate and quite effective too.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

You will find quality for long term relationship success in situations that are away from “the game” IMO.

[/quote]

Disney movies?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Trust me, I have more insight into this than I did just a few short years ago. I give you my word on this.
[/quote]

So, I take it that you are over the depression and existential vertigo of actually experimenting with it?

Because, lets face it, having success is fine, but having it predictably a certain way does have its WTH!?!/Holy Shit/I think I want to die moments.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
In all fairness even though Navajo Joe (Orion) and I have disagreed many times over the years on various subjects I think some of you are missing his point. I see what’s he’s saying. He’s not all that far from the bullseye.

Trust me, I have more insight into this than I did just a few short years ago. I give you my word on this.

That doesn’t mean y’all fellers who are trying to paddle his ass are necessarily wrong either in many of the things you’re saying about your particular marriages.[/quote]

Can you expand on this? I’m honestly curious.