I’ve found this interesting on this post that white men are ganging up on ProfX because he dared to speak out against something that he found racially offensive. What I noted is that he was the only one singled out for this abuse. There were others that mentioned that the comments skinny made was race-based bullshit as well but they aren’t being attacked. Based on this, people COULD say that he is being singled out because he is black.
These same people are rising to the defense of skinny’s comments and are trying to say that they weren’t racist comments. But, here’s the kicker, ProfX is being called a racist for remarking on something that he found racially offensive and for defending his position and not letting them convince him he is wrong.
One of the issues here is that the words “racism” and “racist” are thrown around in these forums without having a true understanding of what they mean. Let’s take a look at them, shall we.
racism n.
1:The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2:Discrimination (Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit) or prejudice based on race.
racist adj
1: based on racial intolerance; “racist remarks” 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]
Based on these definitions, much of what is posted on this thread by many people can be considered forms of racism and that the people posting them can be called racist. However, objecting to the content of a post that fits into these definitions is not racist nor a form of racism. Defending the content of a post that fits into these definitions demonstrates that you are in agreement with racism and racist though, and thus can be called racist. (*NOTE - I said defending the content of the post, NOT his right to say it.)
The bottom line is, skinny’s post, regardless of it being his personal experiences, fits the definitions of racism and by posting it he can be called a racist. ProfX just called him on it and if you don’t like the fact that he did, then maybe you need to check yourself as well. You just might fit the definition.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
I’ve found this interesting on this post that white men are ganging up on ProfX because he dared to speak out against something that he found racially offensive. What I noted is that he was the only one singled out for this abuse. There were others that mentioned that the comments skinny made was race-based bullshit as well but they aren’t being attacked. Based on this, people COULD say that he is being singled out because he is black.
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Then you must have skipped over my input into this thread. I was called a racist for offereing my opinion on black on black racism.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
thabigdon24 wrote:
X, its just a personal opinion. But i think white people in general feel guilty about the effects of racism. The 60’s aren’t that far away! Wouldn’t you feel that a culture that has finally taken notice of itself and accepted the fact that it is commiting a horrendous act to feel guilty over this? If so, would this be expressed or not?You love to argue but thats my logic take it or leave it.
btw what kind of doctor are you?
The act of feeling any type of guilt for actions of the past is not unheard of. The idea you gave, however, was as if blacks are being given undue recognition as a result of it.
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Blacks are being given undue recognition. Affirmative action is bullshit, and it penalizes whites for the actions of their forefathers. Being a minority gets you extra points on the SATs, more scholarship money, and a better chance of acceptance into colleges.
I’m in highschool right now, so these are issues that affect me. I’m sure others can relate to issues that affect their world. Minorities are probably much more likely to get a promotion in any sort of large corporate environment.
The opinion that minorities (blacks included) deserve affirmative action is what keeps racism going. To feel that you’re “owed” something is paramount feeling that you’re being wronged, and I would strongly hesitate to say that any condoned racism occurs these days. AA is simply racism the opposite direction, it’s like racism^-1
[quote]rainjack wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
I’ve found this interesting on this post that white men are ganging up on ProfX because he dared to speak out against something that he found racially offensive. What I noted is that he was the only one singled out for this abuse. There were others that mentioned that the comments skinny made was race-based bullshit as well but they aren’t being attacked. Based on this, people COULD say that he is being singled out because he is black.
Then you must have skipped over my input into this thread. I was called a racist for offereing my opinion on black on black racism.
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I saw it. In all honesty, I do know that you weren’t trying to be racist when you posted your opinion. However, I am going to help you out here by giving you some insight about posting things like that. When a white person starts to comment on situations that are in the black community, many people will take offense. It is felt that the person is being condescending, insulting and really has no clue what they are talking about. They are outsiders looking in and couldn’t possibly understand and/or relate. Combine that with the Rainjack personal style and you get called a racist.
You have been many things on here (obnoxious, annoying, combative, irritating, abusive etc. - much like most people on here), but you have never been overtly racist.
[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
Blacks are being given undue recognition. Affirmative action is bullshit, and it penalizes whites for the actions of their forefathers. Being a minority gets you extra points on the SATs, more scholarship money, and a better chance of acceptance into colleges.
I’m in highschool right now, so these are issues that affect me. I’m sure others can relate to issues that affect their world. Minorities are probably much more likely to get a promotion in any sort of large corporate environment.
The opinion that minorities (blacks included) deserve affirmative action is what keeps racism going. To feel that you’re “owed” something is paramount feeling that you’re being wronged, and I would strongly hesitate to say that any condoned racism occurs these days. AA is simply racism the opposite direction, it’s like racism^-1
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Kid, you are in high school and haven’t even tasted life yet! Your opinions on this topic hold about as much water as a bucket with a hole in the bottom! They reflect someone who has no clue about life! Grow up, get in the real world and then post on this topic! Making these comments while still being sheltered by mommy and daddy gives you ZERO credibility. STFU!
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
rainjack wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
I’ve found this interesting on this post that white men are ganging up on ProfX because he dared to speak out against something that he found racially offensive. What I noted is that he was the only one singled out for this abuse. There were others that mentioned that the comments skinny made was race-based bullshit as well but they aren’t being attacked. Based on this, people COULD say that he is being singled out because he is black.
Then you must have skipped over my input into this thread. I was called a racist for offereing my opinion on black on black racism.
I saw it. In all honesty, I do know that you weren’t trying to be racist when you posted your opinion. However, I am going to help you out here by giving you some insight about posting things like that. When a white person starts to comment on situations that are in the black community, many people will take offense. It is felt that the person is being condescending, insulting and really has no clue what they are talking about. They are outsiders looking in and couldn’t possibly understand and/or relate. Combine that with the Rainjack personal style and you get called a racist.
You have been many things on here (obnoxious, annoying, combative, irritating, abusive etc. - much like most people on here), but you have never been overtly racist.[/quote]
I agree completely. I think Rainjack can be a HUUUUUGE asshole sometimes, but I don’t believe he is racist. I’ve spoken to him one on one. That simply isn’t him.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
LoneLobo wrote:
Blacks are being given undue recognition. Affirmative action is bullshit, and it penalizes whites for the actions of their forefathers. Being a minority gets you extra points on the SATs, more scholarship money, and a better chance of acceptance into colleges.
I’m in highschool right now, so these are issues that affect me. I’m sure others can relate to issues that affect their world. Minorities are probably much more likely to get a promotion in any sort of large corporate environment.
The opinion that minorities (blacks included) deserve affirmative action is what keeps racism going. To feel that you’re “owed” something is paramount feeling that you’re being wronged, and I would strongly hesitate to say that any condoned racism occurs these days. AA is simply racism the opposite direction, it’s like racism^-1
Kid, you are in high school and haven’t even tasted life yet! Your opinions on this topic hold about as much water as a bucket with a hole in the bottom! They reflect someone who has no clue about life! Grow up, get in the real world and then post on this topic! Making these comments while still being sheltered by mommy and daddy gives you ZERO credibility. STFU![/quote]
Damn, I can get promoted that easily? Who knew? CEO of Shell, here I come!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
You didn’t answer my question. So I will answer your question with another question; did the civil rights movement help other races besides black? Does the ACLU or NAACP defend or support other races other than black?
Yes. Your point?
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My point is that there are many documented cases of these organizations not taking on cases of non-black minorities.
What? Have you been paying attention? In our first discourse I stated I felt that the reason for affirmative action was reparations, and you disagreed. Are you back up to speed now?
And I still believe that affirmative action and other programs like it were more of a way to make up for past wrongs than to fix the future.
They could and can go wherever they want. Pretending people don’t have choices is why so many don’t succeed right now. The feeling that they have no choices and can’t move out of their current position is what keeps many black down today.
No one said anything about a plantation. It was the choice to return to Africa, or wherever they were from. Or to stay and make a life for themselves.
I never stated they did. They worked against adversity and prevailed. And they did it with no help. That is something to be proud of.
I’m not saying that things were equal by any means. What I’m saying is that these pioneers succeeded against the odds. If many of the low income black could focus on that instead of the negative “you can’t do it” attitude that prevails now in the low income culture, you would see a positive change in that community.
First, I’m talking about today. Next, so you are saying that all those black guys with facial hair we see on TV TODAY are just out of style? Also, how many white guys get away with shaved heads?
Sorry Bro, but it is not the same and you know it. The “black culture” or style or whatever you want to call it is way more accepted than a white guy doing the same thing.
You need at least 120 level IQ to get my jokes. I will bring it down for you.
Was it pride or was it self-efficacy? Many have “pride” which inhibits them from doing anything they feel is below them, while others do what they need to in order to reach a goal. But in order to work for a goal you have to feel that you can actually reach that goal. So perhaps it is self efficacy or confidence that your parents instilled in you that helped you be successful?
You indicated that Affirmative Action was responsible for helping you succeed.
You stated that the 1990 stats showed that minorities earn less than whites and then turned around and suggested that you make more than me.
So are you saying that in 2005 the playing field is level? You previous post on this seem to indicate you felt there was still inequity among races.
You ever see Nat King Cole? He could never pass for white. Even other black call him black.
However, I’m sure those blacks who were not as dark fit in better because of the culture (culture of racism incase you didn’t get it). But there were still those like Nat who made it and were very dark.
No. I’m saying because other had the guts and determination to go it alone you don’t have to. So you should thank them and not affirmative action. These early pioneers are the reason you don’t have to deal wit all the crap, not affirmative action.
No. My point is that racism is non-functional. It does not support a cohesive and positive culture. So it was/is bound to die out. So with or without affirmative action you would still be standing there today as a successful black man. And you can thank your forefathers for that not a failed government program.
That is not what I meant. Butwhile we are on the subject, I’m sure you know that in the past the African chiefs sold many of their own people into slavery and there were black slave owners in America as well. So there is enough blame for slavery to go around to everyone’s ancestors.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
LoneLobo wrote:
Blacks are being given undue recognition. Affirmative action is bullshit, and it penalizes whites for the actions of their forefathers. Being a minority gets you extra points on the SATs, more scholarship money, and a better chance of acceptance into colleges.
I’m in highschool right now, so these are issues that affect me. I’m sure others can relate to issues that affect their world. Minorities are probably much more likely to get a promotion in any sort of large corporate environment.
The opinion that minorities (blacks included) deserve affirmative action is what keeps racism going. To feel that you’re “owed” something is paramount feeling that you’re being wronged, and I would strongly hesitate to say that any condoned racism occurs these days. AA is simply racism the opposite direction, it’s like racism^-1
Kid, you are in high school and haven’t even tasted life yet! Your opinions on this topic hold about as much water as a bucket with a hole in the bottom! They reflect someone who has no clue about life! Grow up, get in the real world and then post on this topic! Making these comments while still being sheltered by mommy and daddy gives you ZERO credibility. STFU![/quote]
Hey DURRRR! When was the last time you lost out on a job or education because of government-sponsored racism? (and yes, giving someone extra points on the SATs just because of their race is racism to those not of that particular race).
So just maybe lonelobo has a closer view of this issue than you think. So maybe you might want to shut the $#%$%^ up and let the kid speak his mind.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
racism n.
1:The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2:Discrimination (Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit) or prejudice based on race.
racist adj
1: based on racial intolerance; “racist remarks” 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]
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Thanks for the definition Durr. Looks like Affirmative Action meets two of those definitions. So BY definition Affirmative Action is racist.
(Now let’s see just how consistently you defend those definitions without waffling)
But your ignoring the small evil that it discriminates and makes choices based on race while ignoring the BIG evil that it is designed to correct the huge historical inequities. Do i have to list them? Do you really think that they had no effect on black people? You have to awnser my question
[quote]Professor X wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Whatever you say babe. I always agree with hot women!
That was truly stupid.
Well see, I call that Sexist. That’s a whole different thread.
I just didn’t want to fight her battles for her because that might piss her off more.[/quote]
Shows how much you and Irish know about women. Nothing!
Take a lesson boys.
I don’t want to kiss and tell, so to speak, but let’s just say that she did indicate to me that she approved of what I wrote. She is a lady and you guys need to get a life.
[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
But your ignoring the small evil that it discriminates and makes choices based on race while ignoring the BIG evil that it is designed to correct the huge historical inequities. Do i have to list them? Do you really think that they had no effect on black people? You have to awnser my question [/quote]
So you are saying that while AA is small racism, it is designed to correct the larger racism that would occur if it wasn’t in place?
If I have your point correctly, here is my response.
First, many blacks and minorities have succeeded before AA was in place. These are the pioneers who paved the way for other blacks to be successful. So blacks can and have done well without AA.
Next, the entire point is to remove racism, at least in the mainstream (we are always going to have a few wackos). And how do you permanently remove racism? You have to change peoples views of race and origin. So does AA do that? I contend that it makes it worse. You can’t teach equality by showing preference to a group of people purely based on race. So you force people to comply but their beliefs don’t change. In fact, it reinforces those feelings they already have about why the other race is bad. So AA actually makes racism even worse.
My opinion, is that initially there may have been a time when AA was needed, but now it just keeps hate alive. If we truly want a level playing field it has to be that way for all, going forward, right now. The past is the past. And unless we want to keep the racism alive from the past we have to truly have an equal opportunity society.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
LoneLobo wrote:
Blacks are being given undue recognition. Affirmative action is bullshit, and it penalizes whites for the actions of their forefathers. Being a minority gets you extra points on the SATs, more scholarship money, and a better chance of acceptance into colleges.
I’m in highschool right now, so these are issues that affect me. I’m sure others can relate to issues that affect their world. Minorities are probably much more likely to get a promotion in any sort of large corporate environment.
The opinion that minorities (blacks included) deserve affirmative action is what keeps racism going. To feel that you’re “owed” something is paramount feeling that you’re being wronged, and I would strongly hesitate to say that any condoned racism occurs these days. AA is simply racism the opposite direction, it’s like racism^-1
Kid, you are in high school and haven’t even tasted life yet! Your opinions on this topic hold about as much water as a bucket with a hole in the bottom! They reflect someone who has no clue about life! Grow up, get in the real world and then post on this topic! Making these comments while still being sheltered by mommy and daddy gives you ZERO credibility. STFU![/quote]
And you, on the other hand, are an imbecile. If I had left out the words “I’m in highschool right now” would you have responded to me in an intelligent manner? I can write, read, and speak better than nearly everyone on these forums, and as such do not deserve to be looked down upon because of my age. Oh, and BTW, I live by myself. In an apartment. In a city. I cook my own meals, pay my own gym membership, and wash my own windows.
Interesting that you would refuse to answer someone’s comments not on a merit-based system, but on one composed purely of superficial qualities. That makes you equivalent to a racist as well.
Minorities are probably much more likely to get a promotion in any sort of large corporate environment.
HAHAHAHHAHA. You wanna say that affirmitive action is racist, thats debateable. But that above statement is pure horseshit.[/quote]
I left a part out of that statement. It should read that I believe that minorities are more likely to get a promotion than an equally talented majority, simply because quotas exist.
Also, by large corporate environment, I was indicating corporations that would be multi-national, or at least large enough that they would possess employees of equivalent skill levels with varying ethnicities.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Didn’t I mention he can be an asshole?
How’s that old saying go? Takes one to know one? Yeah - that’s the one.
Besides - aren’t all assholes pink anyway?[/quote]
Pretty philosophical. Of course there’s several people on this thread that are hurting themselves. Don’t y’all want to make the best choices for yourselves that are possible? I think this includes your thoughts and actions with others. It certainly includes everybody that isn’t your race b/c your own is just a fraction of the world’s. Im personally through with this thread it got stupid but the last couple of pages are dumber than mud.