[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Whatever you say babe. I always agree with hot women!
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That was truly stupid.
So many factors. I think most prejudices are a combination…
Many stem from childhood, or fear of the unknown or fear of ‘different people’.
People’s own insecurities…
The media…only the bad is usually given airplay.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
firemedichcfr14 wrote:
You are a funny guy. Go back and reread the original post. “YOU” were not asked any question directly. No more than Skinny was. It was a general question to all on the forum. The poster posted so that all could respond.
If it was posted so that all could respond, why are you acting as if I was not included in that? I had a similar experience to the very question he asked. I shared that with him. Why would you or anyone else try to act as if my response was not directly related to the question he asked? [/quote]
This is the part of the debate where the Professor see’s his ship sinking and try’s desparately to switch the topic. LOL
I never stated that you had no right to answer the question and you know it!
You are the one who stated that skinny had no right to answer as his answer was not “about the psychology of racism.” After it was clearly pointed out that the original poster was asking about “extreme situations” you now change the topic.
YOU ARE LOOKING BAD-AGAIN.
You don’t seem to have a problem when you think you are able to intimidate others with racist remarks. But when someone calls BULLSHIT on it you are bored huh?
You are a joke! No seriously, this has to be funny to anyone who has kept up with the thread.
Again you attempt to worm your way out of the original question. You do this because you are wrong.
I never stated that you should not answer any question and you know it. If you think I did show me where.
You are the one who stated that skinny’s answer was out of line, which it was not.
Do you purposely lie, or are you that confused? Your response to the question was not at all racist. It was legitimate, as I have stated multiple times.
Your racist comment came later when you implied that Skinny was a “Grand Wizard” for the KKK. A truly low blow and a dirty one posted by you!
LOOKING WORSE FOR YOU!
Already stated many times that your original comment (second post on the thread) was fine and very fair. You want to twist it but it’s not working out for you.
You are still trying to turn this around by twisting and turning…that is entertaining! And I thank you. It’s not everyday I get to expose a racist and be entertained at that same time. While your behavior is sickening, your attempts to dodge the point and try to twist my words is very much a joy to behold. I know now why they keep you around…pure entertainment.
[quote]Unless you can prove that a question was asked and that my response was NOT directed at that question specifically, then you have no point. You are some guy really really stretching to make a point when you really don’t even have one.
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My points have all been made:
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Both you and skinny responded appropriately to the original posters question. And might I add that I never once questioned your original response. That you try to turn it that way now is dishonest.
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You implied that skinny was a “Grand Wizard” for absolutely no reason. Which, by the way, is a racist comment. And if a racist comment were directed at you, you would be the first to attack the person, and rightly so. Should a white person be any less offended?
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And in these past two posts since you have been proven wrong, you have tried to: A. change the subject by claiming that I questioned you answering the post. B. Distort the facts.
Are black racists any better than white racists?
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
And so what if the White guy was legally hired. These kind of hiring decisions you are referring to happen everyday to people of all colors. People aren’t hired because of: the way they dress, their hair style, how they speak, how they carry themselves, their hygiene, etc. While most of these things don’t directly relate to the technical qualifications of the position, they do relate to how this person will fit in with the other employees, if they will represent the company well, how they will deal with the public, etc. bla, bla, bla[/quote]
So, if a black person doesn’t fit in with white employees, this is a good reason not hire someone?
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So should we have a racial quota for all groups of people who have been looked over for a job based on these subjective things? Why do only blacks get special treatment for being passed over for subjective reasons?[/quote]
Special treatment? Tell me, was the racism sparking the entire Civil Rights movement “special treatment”?
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True. However, if you look objectively at history in the US you will see that every race experienced some discrimination at some point in migrating to this country. And yet they didn’t need and extra handout and the discrimination faded away. [/quote]
Every race wasn’t enslaved and held back in education for 300 years and then excluded socially for nearly 200 years after that.
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No one is justifying anything. If blacks were shut out of business they would naturally not have the skills due to lack of experience. Then they would be behind others who were not shut out as much. It’s like going to another country and trying to speak the language as well as a native. Takes time and effort. [/quote]
So where was this “time and effort” going to come from in a very racist America?
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So I’m not saying it was the blacks fault for being shut out. It is just the reason they had less experience to start with. Again, not their fault. Get it now?[/quote]
If it wasn’t their fault, then how do you suppose you correct this situation on a mass scale when it was still going on?
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Dude, wake up man! I would love to go to work in jeans and flip-flops with my ball cap on backwards, but that wouldn’t cut it. The reality, FOR EVERYONE is that you have to play the game to succeed. [/quote]
“The Game” was invented completely excluding black people in the work force. I shouldn’t have to be a Bryant Gumble clone just to get a job. There is a big difference between being well groomed but outside the “norm of the game” and wearing flip flops. Who here said anything about wearing sandles to work? I specifically mentioned shaving my head as an example of a “style” that has only recently been accepted in America as not equaling “thuggish”, and then only if you aren’t too muscular and smile often.
I have to dress professionally daily. Why is it you can’t understand what is being said to you?
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That is just the way it is for EVERYONE; black, white, blue, green, doesn’t matter. The people who own and run the companies set the rules. Either play by those rules or get in the welfare line.[/quote]
Again, those “rules” were made at the exclusion of African Americans. Who was it that stated braids couldn’t be worn professionally because they might a little too much like “dreds”? Who made this rule?
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This pride thing just gets you nowhere.[/quote]
That pride thing got me everywhere.
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Well, according to your 90’s study I statically would make more than you. Or are you now saying those stats are faulty. [/quote]
Weak response. Is this the decade of the 90’s? if not, then your point made about as much sense as your average pre-schooler.
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“Potentially broke down”? So you really don’t know if you have benefited or not? How do you know it wasn’t just your own determination to succeed that was the factor?[/quote]
My own determination was a factor. It was THE factor. However, because of the barriers my parents broke and everyone who came before them, it was an easier road for those who follow. In schools where there were no black students, the first ones on the scene had it the roughest. They broke those barriers. Your last little statement implies you don’t even understand this concept.
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The FACT is that many blacks have succeeded without any help at all. And the fact that they did do it by themselves, in spite of perceived racism, means that the rationale for affirmative action is somewhat suspect. [/quote]
Bullshit. I didn’t have direct “help” for anything, but every black person, white person or any other color of person who marched for Civil Rights is who helped me. You can’t deny that. Then again, you can, but sure would look stupid.
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And yet there are many blacks who got into schools and did what they wanted before affirmative action. How the hell could that happen?[/quote]
Because they dealt with riding on the back of the bus and being held back and having to push even harder. Every single one who did that made a way for others and they deserve great respect. Are you honestly saying things should still be this way? You sure aren’t good at this, huh?
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So it’s those Asians? who are racist. Those racist bastards! Who let them into the country? [/quote]
What?
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All kidding aside, how did they get into school? Are you saying that Asians have experienced no racism? If they have, why did they not need affirmative action?[/quote]
Did I say that they experienced no racism? I wrote that I venture they experience less than blacks or hispanics. Are you arguing otherwise?
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So you are saying that blacks are hated more than any other racial group? That seems very one-sided my friend. The real issue, that you seem to be avoiding is how other races (minorities) could achieve great things without any help at all? And also how many black achieved without any help at all?[/quote]
Yes, I am saying in America that blacks were hated in the past more than any other ethnic group. You would have to be a blatant idiot to think otherwise. That was what that whole “not a whole human being” and that “slavery thing” were about. Let’s not be stupid.
[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:
You are the one who stated that skinny had no right to answer as his answer was not “about the psychology of racism.” After it was clearly pointed out that the original poster was asking about “extreme situations” you now change the topic.[/quote]
What? No one changed the topic. You simply don’t have a point. In fact, let me ask you why you didn’t attempt to call out any of the other posters who found something wrong with “skinny’s” post.
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I never stated that you should not answer any question and you know it. If you think I did show me where.
You are the one who stated that skinny’s answer was out of line, which it was not. [/quote]
It was and I was not the only person to note that it was. You are, however, the only person coming to his “rescue”.
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Your racist comment came later when you implied that Skinny was a “Grand Wizard” for the KKK. A truly low blow and a dirty one posted by you! [/quote]
Noting that someone else made a racist comment is now racist itself? Do tell. Several people in this thread are writing about the racist actions of others. Are they all racists as well because of it? A low blow? Deal with it.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Rainjack, if you want a pissing contest, start a new thread. I wouldn’t be surprised if you actually believed racism against whites was comperable to racism by whites in its severity, but I suspect you are only considering the problem from your own position, rather than from a more molar perspective.
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If I want to start a pissing contest - I will start one wherever and whenever I want. The last thing I will do is seek your counsel in the matter.
But - I don’t think the title, or the author of this thread, suggested that racism of any one particular skin color took presedence over another.
When you are the victim of racism - it shades your perspective. I never once discounted white on black racism. If I did - show me where. I stated what I know about - not what i have read about.
If you wish to speak for me in the future - perhaps you wouldn’t mind asking me first. I don’t propose to speak for you - please don’t speak for me.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Whatever you say babe. I always agree with hot women!
That was truly stupid.
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Well see, I call that Sexist. That’s a whole different thread.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Whatever you say babe. I always agree with hot women!
That was truly stupid.
Well see, I call that Sexist. That’s a whole different thread. [/quote]
I just didn’t want to fight her battles for her because that might piss her off more.
wanna talk about racist? tonite i was in a big time snow ball fight. I was part of a group that ran up somem steps to attack. I came down, we dispersed, i found myself not to far from a group of black kids. Before I knew it, 3 or 4 of them were pelting me with snowballs! i think it was because i was white. like the snow.
The Professor now attempts to drag in others in order to change the topic for the fourth time. Funny stuff dude!
But by now we all know where you’re coming from.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What? No one changed the topic. You simply don’t have a point. In fact, let me ask you why you didn’t attempt to call out any of the other posters who found something wrong with “skinny’s” post.
I never stated that you should not answer any question and you know it. If you think I did show me where.
You are the one who stated that skinny’s answer was out of line, which it was not.
It was and I was not the only person to note that it was. You are, however, the only person coming to his “rescue”.
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You are the only person who stated such a racist statement as this:
“I thought T-Nation screened out all Grand Wizards? Oh well.”
There is no evidence that would lead anyone to think that skinny’s comments were racist. The fact that you compared skinny to the Klu Klux Klan was not only highly inappropriate, it was racist.
Or maybe you didn’t realize that the Klu Klux Klan hates black people and in fact has killed black people. What an awful thing to say about someone because you did not like their post.
It was out of line and racist!
His comment was no more racist than your very first post on this thread. Neither post was racist, both spoke of racism that they have suffered in the past. Are white people not allowed to have racist experiences? Both posts reflect on what the original poster was asking about, which has already beenm proven.
[quote]Several people in this thread are writing about the racist actions of others. Are they all racists as well because of it? A low blow? Deal with it.
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When there is actual racism, pointing it out is not racist. But, you have not shown that skinny’s post had any racist remarks whatsoever! There is a good reason for this as skinny’s post was no more racist than your own, which is to state that neither post was racist.
Your final comment says “deal with it.” Is that how you would like the majority in this country to deal with racism?
You have changed the subject at least four times, twisting and turning in order to avoid the truth. Here is where you began your trail of bullshit:
You started out claiming that “someone asked you about your experience’s” when in fact it was an open question to the forum. When proved wrong you changed the subject.
You then shifted to skinny’s comments being inappropriate because they were not on topic. When it was proven that the original poster asked for any “extreme situation” you changed the subject again.
You then tried to attack me by claiming that “someone else should debate for me.” And that you were going to “go slow.” Weak!!!
Now when all else fails and your racism is exposed you try to change the topic to “why don’t you coment on everyone else.” As if that has anything to do with your racist remark!
You are easy to debate Professor. If someone has the patience to follow you through your various twists and turns in order to take them off topic. You are an egocentric person who hate to be correct. And on top of that apparently has racist tendencies.
You have thrown out a racist comment which if a similar comment were directed at you you would have been taken it very personally, and no one would have blamed you.
Are black racists any better than white racists?
What are you going to try to change the topic to now in order to worm out of your original racist comment?
[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:
The Professor now attempts to drag in others in order to change the topic for the fourth time. Funny stuff dude!
But by now we all know where you’re coming from.
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You really are getting boring. The fact still stands that up to four people found something wrong with his post and posted responses about it. You, however, take the SOUL stance of acting like there was nothing wrong with what he stated at all. In this instance, I will take the mentality of the majority over the idiocy of your individuality. Have a great day.
[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:
The Professor now attempts to drag in others in order to change the topic for the fourth time. Funny stuff dude!
But by now we all know where you’re coming from.
Professor X wrote:
What? No one changed the topic. You simply don’t have a point. In fact, let me ask you why you didn’t attempt to call out any of the other posters who found something wrong with “skinny’s” post.
I never stated that you should not answer any question and you know it. If you think I did show me where.
You are the one who stated that skinny’s answer was out of line, which it was not.
It was and I was not the only person to note that it was. You are, however, the only person coming to his “rescue”.
You are the only person who stated such a racist statement as this:
“I thought T-Nation screened out all Grand Wizards? Oh well.”
There is no evidence that would lead anyone to think that skinny’s comments were racist. The fact that you compared skinny to the Klu Klux Klan was not only highly inappropriate, it was racist.
Or maybe you didn’t realize that the Klu Klux Klan hates black people and in fact has killed black people. What an awful thing to say about someone because you did not like their post.
It was out of line and racist!
Noting that someone else made a racist comment is now racist itself? Do tell.
His comment was no more racist than your very first post on this thread. Neither post was racist, both spoke of racism that they have suffered in the past. Are white people not allowed to have racist experiences? Both posts reflect on what the original poster was asking about, which has already beenm proven.
Several people in this thread are writing about the racist actions of others. Are they all racists as well because of it? A low blow? Deal with it.
When there is actual racism, pointing it out is not racist. But, you have not shown that skinny’s post had any racist remarks whatsoever! There is a good reason for this as skinny’s post was no more racist than your own, which is to state that neither post was racist.
Your final comment says “deal with it.” Is that how you would like the majority in this country to deal with racism?
You have changed the subject at least four times, twisting and turning in order to avoid the truth. Here is where you began your trail of bullshit:
You started out claiming that “someone asked you about your experience’s” when in fact it was an open question to the forum. When proved wrong you changed the subject.
You then shifted to skinny’s comments being inappropriate because they were not on topic. When it was proven that the original poster asked for any “extreme situation” you changed the subject again.
You then tried to attack me by claiming that “someone else should debate for me.” And that you were going to “go slow.” Weak!!!
Now when all else fails and your racism is exposed you try to change the topic to “why don’t you coment on everyone else.” As if that has anything to do with your racist remark!
You are easy to debate Professor. If someone has the patience to follow you through your various twists and turns in order to take them off topic. You are an egocentric person who hate to be correct. And on top of that apparently has racist tendencies.
You have thrown out a racist comment which if a similar comment were directed at you you would have been taken it very personally, and no one would have blamed you.
Are black racists any better than white racists?
What are you going to try to change the topic to now in order to worm out of your original racist comment?
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I will admit i didn’t like his comments either. Now is he racist? I can’t say but from his comment he has STRONG BIAS against my race. Besides you don’t have to wear white sheets to be a racist. I see and hear people like all the time here in california san diego to be exact I just let it roll off my back.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Whatever you say babe. I always agree with hot women!
That was truly stupid.
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Complementing a woman is “stupid”?
Sounds like you must have a strong right hand from being home nights by yourself with Rosy!
You might want to try complementing a woman once in a while and see what happens.
[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
I will admit i didn’t like his comments either. Now is he racist? I can’t say but from his comment he has STRONG BIAS against my race. Besides you don’t have to wear white sheets to be a racist. I see and hear people like all the time here in california san diego to be exact I just let it roll off my back.
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Apparently, noting anything they actually said as being racist now makes you a racist as well.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You really are getting boring.[/quote]
Is that what you say to everyone who has the patience to unwind your faulty logic and prove you wrong?
We’ve been over your 4th excuse. No one compared the guy to the “Grand Wizard” of the Klu Klux Klan, which happens to be a militant white supremacist hate group!
His reflections were no more “wrong” or racist than your own reflections of growing up. They are experiences that each of you had. Nothing to do with racism.
[quote]In this instance, I will take the mentality of the majority over the idiocy of your individuality. Have a great day.
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I don’t mind if you run away Professor. It takes guts to admit that you were wrong and I can see you don’t have that.
But before you drop a racist comment like that on this board again think twice because there are people on this forum who won’t think twice about calling you on it!
Black racists are no better than white racists.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Mad Titan wrote:
I will admit i didn’t like his comments either. Now is he racist? I can’t say but from his comment he has STRONG BIAS against my race. Besides you don’t have to wear white sheets to be a racist. I see and hear people like all the time here in california san diego to be exact I just let it roll off my back.
Apparently, noting anything they actually said as being racist now makes you a racist as well.
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You have still not pointed out how skinny’s remarks were racist in any way shape or form.
Still time to do it why don’t you try?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
So, if a black person doesn’t fit in with white employees, this is a good reason not hire someone?
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If a White person doesn’t fit in with a group of white employees this is also a good reason not to hire them either. Color has nothing to do with it.
You didn’t answer my question. So I will answer your question with another question; did the civil rights movement help other races besides black? Does the ACLU or NAACP defend or support other races other than black?
To my knowledge that is true. Although the Chinese had a tough time of it as well. And since we are talking about the US I won’t bring Jews into it, but they have had it historically worse than anyone.
Anyway, so sounds like you are talking about reparations for pasts mistreatment?
From blacks. Rightfully so, blacks were brought here against their will. But once they had freedom to do what they wanted they had a choice to return to wherever they came from or stay. By staying they made a choice to fit into the society they found themselves in, not society changing for them.
Go live in France as a American and see how well you fit in. See how much they change their society to fit your needs.
Look back before 1960 and see what the blacks who succeeded did to get there. Look at Nat King Cole or other black entertainers. They had a tough time of it but kept pushing. And they were accepted, even loved, by many whites for who they were and their talent. But they didn’t get there by society changing for them or special treatment. It was just dam hard work.
Other groups have done it with the help of their own people. Like the NAACP started out to be a help for blacks who were being discriminated against.
I agree with what you are saying but I can tell you that it’s not a racial issue. You think a white guy with a shaved head will get accepted in the corp. world faster than a black? Think again! In fact, what I have seen is that blacks get cut way more slack than whites in this area. Just look at the media. How many white guys in commercial ads on TV have facial hair? Now how many blacks? Facial hair is accepted on blacks as normal and acceptable, but not white guys.
Also, understand this is different by industry. In construction they don’t care what you look like.
My point is that even black CEOs will not tolerate a black or white guy with dread-locks.
Why is it that you can’t get sarcasm?
Wake up Bro. Those “rules” are being made today by black CEOs as well.
Black and white CEOs today who won’t accept much facial hair on any executive level white guy, will accept more on a black guy.
Maybe we need affirmative action to help white guys get accepted in the corp. world with facial hair? Quota: you must hire 10% of white guys with facial hair.
Does pride feed your family? Tell that to your starving kids when Daddy is to proud to go sweep floors to make money to feed them. That’s some selfish ass shit.
How proud did it make you feel to know you got into school based on quotas instead of your own good grades?
If stats from the 90’s are bogus, then don’t bring them up. They were your Stats, not mine. So don’t put out statistical shit that you can’t or won’t back up. If you are not going to be consistent in your position, I’m going to call you ass on it every time. We both know you clearly lost that discussion and now you are making inflammatory comments like “pre-schooler” to try and cover it up. Well, that just shows that you have no reasonable response.
You don’t seem to get it. Who broke down the barriers for the first black in med school? Who broke down the barriers for the first Asian? NOBODY! They did it themselves. Why were they able to do it and people after them need help?
Self-determination is the factor for success for all people. Some just need to work harder at it because of their current socioeconomic level. For example, it is much harder to graduate from college when you are the first in your family line to do so. And yes, I was the first in my family to get a college education and it wasn’t easy.
If by “help” you mean made it easier, then I agree.
You seem to have the answer but don’t know it. If we never had affirmative action, we would still have those pioneers who refused to be held down paving the way.
So even without any government help, you would first have one black doctor, then two, then 20, then 100, etc… The barriers of racism would have been broken down by those people you mentioned regardless of extra government help. Rosa Parks would have still sat on that bus like so many others who did the very same thing (and who didn’t get recognized for it either) .
So I totally agree that the first black ________ paved the way for others. My point is that the barriers would have been broken down anyway by these pioneers without any government assistance.
Don’t know. We need someone from that racial background to answer that.
Why would that be? What do you think was different about the black experience in America that caused more hatred of black than other minorities? Was it economic? (i.e. lose of free labor?)
[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:
I don’t mind if you run away Professor. It takes guts to admit that you were wrong and I can see you don’t have that.
But before you drop a racist comment like that on this board again think twice because there are people on this forum who won’t think twice about calling you on it!
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No one is running away from you. I will not play games with my speech patterns just to please you. I felt his comments were racist and still do. Others feel the same way apparently. In fact, let’s think of some names for you. How about “stupid cunt”? “Dumb as bricks”? “Full of shit bitch”? Face it, there are many who felt his comments were off and commented. I could care less about you taking offense to anyone else pointing that out. You can kiss my ass, just no tongue.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I will not play games with my speech patterns just to please you.[/quote]
You already played and lost! And it’s not a speech pattern so much as it is a direct racist comment.
You so much as said that this man was a Grand Wizard of a white supremicist group that has killed black people.
How low can you go?
Yet, you have nothing to back that up. You just flip the Grand Wizard comment at him and walk away. How manly of you to not supply one shred of evidence to back up your bullshit claim.
And you’re an egocentric asshole. But anyone who has ever read the forum knows this. You like to get on your pedestal and preach to everone like you are some sort of great authority. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, they keep you around for entertainment. How does that feel?
You are actually tolerated far more than respected. But you are so very stupid you just don’t get it. LOL
That is one of your more typical comments. You are obviously a low life scum bag. You can’t back up your initial comments so you launch an attack post. You are transparent man.
You failed to prove your point, so you run from it. You failed to prove the four other points you changed the subject to so you run from them. And when all else fails you basically say that you are going to do whatever you want.
It was fun enveileing you for all to see. Comeback when you want another ass kicking.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
You didn’t answer my question. So I will answer your question with another question; did the civil rights movement help other races besides black? Does the ACLU or NAACP defend or support other races other than black?
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Yes. Your point?
[quote]To my knowledge that is true. Although the Chinese had a tough time of it as well. And since we are talking about the US I won’t bring Jews into it, but they have had it historically worse than anyone.
Anyway, so sounds like you are talking about reparations for pasts mistreatment?[/quote]
What? Who has written anything about reparations?
[quote]
From blacks. Rightfully so, blacks were brought here against their will. But once they had freedom to do what they wanted they had a choice to return to wherever they came from or stay. By staying they made a choice to fit into the society they found themselves in, not society changing for them. [/quote]
This was the dumbest thing I have ever seen someone on this web site type out. They could go back where they came? You mean, the plantation?
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Look back before 1960 and see what the blacks who succeeded did to get there. Look at Nat King Cole or other black entertainers. They had a tough time of it but kept pushing. And they were accepted, even loved, by many whites for who they were and their talent. But they didn’t get there by society changing for them or special treatment. It was just dam hard work.[/quote]
They also didn’t get PAID like many whites either. The most shocking in all of this, is that no one else has called you out yet.
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I agree with what you are saying but I can tell you that it’s not a racial issue. You think a white guy with a shaved head will get accepted in the corp. world faster than a black? Think again! In fact, what I have seen is that blacks get cut way more slack than whites in this area. Just look at the media. How many white guys in commercial ads on TV have facial hair? Now how many blacks? Facial hair is accepted on blacks as normal and acceptable, but not white guys. [/quote]
So, Tom Selleck was never a sex symbol? Facial hair on the average white entertainer simply went out of style in the 80’s. It isn’t because it isn’t “accepted”.
Why is it you can’t be funny?
What? Pride in what my parents accomplished helped me get through school…an education I got so that I wouldn’t have to simply scrape by to make ends meet.
Are you joking? You must be. There was no other ethnic group enslaved in America as a whole.