Psychology of Racism

One interesting thing you can tie-in with English and the topic of Hate is something called the “euphemism treadmill”, coined by Steve Pinker:

The reason it could be interesting is that you get to use all-sorts of profanities in a very academic and responsible manner. For example: in many urban black communities the term “nigger” has been reappropriated as term of respect, acceptable for use between two black individuals but inacceptable when the race of one differs–of course, “nigger” was originally a purely pejorative term, typically used by whites to refer to blacks at a time when there was immense disparity between the socio-economic status of each.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X,

It sometimes makes me mad that so many people simply misinterpret your posts!

Dang…

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Who is misinterpreting my posts? If anything, the poster above was trying to make an argument using anything that he could. That doesn’t imply he misunderstood a thing. He simply didn’t have much to attack.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
jimmyjames66 wrote:
I am doing this paper for English class and am trying to find potential psychological factors that may lead people to hate. There are the obvious like a family’s influence on their children and extreme situations that can have an impact on one’s mindset. But this seems like such a broad topic and the influences for hatred seemed endless. Any thoughts?

Upbringing
Often the biases of the parent are displayed in front of the children. With a lacking life experience, the child could adapt the same biases.

Media
For a very long time, any shows even depicting a black family on tv involved near poverty, dysfunction, or an attitude of being trapped in the ghetto. This was changed largely by the success of the Cosby Show and subsequent roles that allowed black actors to show functional black families to mass audiences. Where I live now, it is a non-issue to see mixed couples everywhere. Before The Jeffersons hit tv, there were no depictions of this that were accepted by society as “normal”.

News
There was controversy when I was growing up largely due to the reporting that took place if a suspect happened to be black. If a suspect was white, often his race was a non-issue. However, “black” suspects were identified. This could also have a hand in stereotyping. This has changed somewhat as of late.

Childhood development
While today you can find hispanic Barbies, black Barbies and even Asian Barbies, the first black Barbie wasn’t even created until the early 80’s. The effects of growing up with no relateable concepts of beauty can have very long reaching effects. It is why “hood heroes” like Shaft were famous in the 70’s.

It was the only relateable confident hero to the black community. Today, Blade movies created such a following that I doubt it will be so hard in the future to depict black “heroes” without their skin color being a huge factor in their given name. Let’s not even discuss “token black actors” in movies who have the simple job of being the stereotype. “That’s whack.”

Music
The first black artist to ever be played on MTV was Micheal Jackson. While some may argue whether he is still black today, you can’t take away the fact that he threatened to pull his record deal from Sony (I believe that was the label) if MTV didn’t play his videos. Today, Hip Hop dominates the music scene. A lot has happened in the last 20-25 years.

All in all, there are many factors that contribute to racism in America. The largest of these is no doubt the contribution of parents and peers. [/quote]

wow professor if i had to grade you on your comment i would have to give an A+. Especially you remarks about the media. most of the effects still lingers on today. Just the other day I walked past this couples suv (white couple). I hear them locking there doors. I started laughing its not like I dress like a “thug” so to speak. Any way I believe the media plays a large role in many of the stereotypes that we face.

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
There have been a lot of great posts so far exploring the reasons that racism is so firmly rooted in the collective conscience of the world today. I also believe that upbringing plays a major role in the problem.

But I wonder, what about the “nature” side of the argument? Does anyone believe it’s possible that humans are inherently more likely to be trustiing of and/or attracted to other humans who are like them? From the evolutionary standpoint, this might point toward a biological basis for this type of behavior. It’s like different breeds of large cats don’t generally live together in spite of the fact that they might share the same habitat.

I’m not looking for rationalization, but I wonder if anyone has studied that side of the equation?[/quote]

I think you’re right. There’s a “natural” element in racism.

Ok, the example you gave of the “big cats” is not accurate, because big cats are actually different biological races, while all humans are homo sapiens and are the same race biologically.

But still People tend to trust their family. They share genes with them. They look similar (trying not to use the word “familiar” here). To an outsider Japanese and Chinese might look very similar, but Japanese people are rarely mistaken, they’ll spot the “odd Chinese out”.

When someone has never seen Asian, Black or Scandinavian people: “they all look alike”. That’s not really racism. That’s how they look in the eye of the beholder.

So naturally when one purple family enters the town, they’ll have a hard time “blending in”.

There’s an evolutionary advantage there also. People had an advantage when they trusted tribe members and shied away from unfamiliar faces. And what face is more unfamiliar than a face that doesn’t even have the same color as your own?

But returning to the psychology of Racism. The “us vs them” thinking is the basis of all racism imo.

This is pretty obvious in certain situations, but can be uncomfortable close to home in others. We all practice this us-vs-them thinking. Perhaps related to women? Muslims perhaps? Or people with a different nationality (I guess you call them aliens, which is saying a lot). Mexicans? French? Handicapped? Unemployed people. Elderly. Children.

Once we start thinking in us-vs-them, discrimination raises it’s ugly head.

About that plance crash in Iran: did any of you even, for a slight moment, think “ha, now it’s their turn to feel the pain”? I know I did. That my friends, is racism.

Of course the people dying in that crash are just innocent civilians, with a family, a wife and children. But for one split second there, I thought “us vs them”, I let down my guard, and racism swept in. And I had to push it back.

I think it’s important that we’re aware of this latent racism in all of us. Once we know it’s there, we can fight it. If we ignore it’s there, it will take us by surprise.

How many people have we heard making discriminatory remarks? About any group of people? “All are lazy”. “Ok, not that one family that lives down the street, they’re decent enough, but the ones we don’t personally know, they’re all lazy fucks right?”

[quote]ZEB wrote:
rainjack wrote:

I know of some very wealthy, well educated blacks that are extremely racisit as well.

I agree, racism is prevalent on both sides of the (black/white) fence.

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There’s a fence?

Gentlemen, I think we’ve just witnessed the "us-vs-them"thinking I was talking about? :wink:

[quote]rainjack wrote:
ScienceGuy wrote:
Racism is a business in America. Its a method to keep a few manipulators in power, and to assure votes for a political party. The people who speak the most about racism do so to keep it on everyones mind and to keep themselves in office/power.

People that actually hate because of the color of someones skin have no logical basis, and are arguably loopy.

Contrary to what these leeches want you to think, these people are a super tiny part of our population.

Think about it for a minute, how many raving racists have you met?

Have they really had any impact on their surroundings? Or are they quickly dismissed…

Racism is a business.

Can anyone say Congressional Black Caucus? How about NAACP?

Sounds like you have been listening to Walter Williams. Probably one of the 10 most hated black men in the U.S., by other blacks. [/quote]

So now you’re speaking for “other blacks”? When did you cross the fence?

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
So now you’re speaking for “other blacks”? When did you cross the fence?[/quote]

Nope - just repeating what I heard Walter Williams allude to. He is hated among blacks. Clarence Thomas is hated among blacks. he is hated by liberals as well, but especially black liberals. The Lt. Govenor from Virginia is hated as well.

I don’t have to be on a fence to see that blacks that don’t play the game are quickly blacklisted.

I don’t think I am the one taking sides.

But go ahead with your liberal PC bullshit where, if you notice color, you must be a racist. I am not ashamed to notice that ProfX is black. It doesn’t make me a racist to comment on the treatment of certain blacks. Why do you feel the need to come in here and start insinuating racism with absolutely no basis? That bullshit might work where you live, but it ain’t flying here.

[quote]Jimmy Tango wrote:

At any rate, in my opinion, hate seems borne from the human desire to classify and categorize–in other words, discriminate. Unfortunately, discrimination occurs on the most basic levels (the easiest to access), leading to generalizations and prejudices that are difficult to disassociate once they are learned.

Hope those references help.

  • Another Jimmy[/quote]

I think this is spot on. People have an inherent desire to split things into “us” vs. “them,” along various categories. Skin color and visually obvious cultural differences just provide easy dividers for people to use to place others in the “them” category, which they treat as more suspect.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tango-down wrote:

Does that mean that only the most discriminated against group gets to complain? Is it only an issue if you are at the top of the “most abused” list?

Let’s not be stupid, shall we? Did I write that? If you plan to even start a decent debate, you will have to do much better than that. No one has said that no racism exists towards whites. However, if you think you are about to receive a cookie because someone laughed at you once while ignoring racial profiling and other blatant acts that happen DAILY to minorities that can actually effect development and outlook greatly, my guess is, that cookie will be a long time coming. I would love to hear about the many times you were discriminated against. Care to share?

I think that you need to put it in perspective. If a Caucasian kid lives in Gary, Indiana he is getting his share of abuse.

Do tell.

The racism that exists in the US is pretty tame compared to what it once was and that is a good thing. I have a friend who is 100% ethnic Japanese who was hit/slapped on the subway (in Japan) almost daily for having naturally curly hair and being a supposed “half-breed”. She has to straighten it before she goes out every day.

Anyone here have to do that?

I went to a majority white church growing up (as in, we were the ONLY black family). Beyond random teasing (which led to one or two fights) was the pleasure of getting my hair touched regularly in Sunday school because it was “funny” and asked questions like, “Does your skin feel different being black…like, does it feel rougher than mine?” Mind you, you couldn’t pay me to go to that church now and that was many years ago. Your friend isn’t the only one.[/quote]

I typed a long reply and, after considering the individual that I would be debating, deleted it and decided not to waste my time. I have decided try to do something that could be possible, like convince a Klan member that they shouldn’t hate people because of their skin color…

I haven’t read every post here, but it seems like not many people have considered that not all racism is taught; some is learned by interactions. Anyone here ever seen American History X? If you live in a neighborhood where blacks routinely intimidate white people, destroy property, rob stores, you might begin to see them as the enemy.

I’ve never personally been mugged, robbed, etc, but I have noticed one thing. Living on the south side of Chicago, if a black person starts talking to me, I immediately assume they’re going to ask me for money. And the vast majority of the time they are.

It’s important to realise how closely related class and race are related. What do you think makes a “bad” neighborhood bad? Most of the time it’s poverty.

jealous people are often full of hate

btw - im taking a class called “Sociology of Race and Ethnicity”

[quote]Tango-down wrote:
I typed a long reply and, after considering the individual that I would be debating, deleted it and decided not to waste my time. I have decided try to do something that could be possible, like convince a Klan member that they shouldn’t hate people because of their skin color…
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I’m very proud of you. You get that cookie afterall.

White, Black, & Asian are too general. For instance, there are a wide range of subgroups that have black skin.

As an example, there are people in India as black as coal (not tanned) but with sharp facial features and a skull shaped like Europeans; while Africans typically have broad noses and lips, as well as a lower jaw that is well forward of the forehead which slopes back. Even Africans have differences among themselves.

Compare the ‘sprinter’ type west african to the ‘long distance’ south central african. But in North America it gets really crazy. Here in Calgary, Jarome Iginla, who plays for the Flames, calls himself black, while he has a white mother and a father that looks very mulatto himself. Blacks such as Denzel Washington and Halle Berry are also of mixed blood. By some estimates most blacks whose ancestors have lived in the Americas for a few hundred years may be up a quarter white (some of them much more), as some whites (especially the portugese)who purchased them also found them attractive. Some blacks, especially in South America, have considerable amounts of Indian blood. Blacks as we know them aren’t really a race at all, they just share the ‘colored’ skin from blue black to yellowish. Please lets narrow down who we are talking about here. We should be comparing Germans to Hottentots, Hottentots to Zulus, Zulus to Celts, Celts to Chinese, and so on.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
So now you’re speaking for “other blacks”? When did you cross the fence?

Nope - just repeating what I heard Walter Williams allude to. He is hated among blacks. Clarence Thomas is hated among blacks. he is hated by liberals as well, but especially black liberals. The Lt. Govenor from Virginia is hated as well.

I don’t have to be on a fence to see that blacks that don’t play the game are quickly blacklisted.

I don’t think I am the one taking sides.

But go ahead with your liberal PC bullshit where, if you notice color, you must be a racist. I am not ashamed to notice that ProfX is black. It doesn’t make me a racist to comment on the treatment of certain blacks. Why do you feel the need to come in here and start insinuating racism with absolutely no basis? That bullshit might work where you live, but it ain’t flying here.

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You’re not a racist for noticing color. You’re a moron for not noticing I notice color as well.

And I don’t have to insinuate that you’re a racist. You’ve made that perfectly clear in a number of posts.

But DO tell: what “game” are blacks supposed to be playing to avoid being blacklisted?

[quote]Loyal_Soundwave wrote:

We should be comparing Germans to Hottentots, Hottentots to Zulus, Zulus to Celts, Celts to Chinese, and so on. [/quote]

Really? I thought the point was that we shouldn’t.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
You’re not a racist for noticing color. You’re a moron for not noticing I notice color as well.[/quote]

No - you only notice white people noticing color so that you can tell them how racisit it is to create a fence, or some liberal bullshit.

I am not going to believe a goddman word you tell me without substantial proof. Prove it or else you are a fucking liar. I want specific quotes - and their supporting links - that prove ia am the racist you have said, or you are a fucking liar. I’m going to go with the fucking liar part because asshole pricks like you usually slink away and try to hide when faced with actually having to back anything up.

Spend some time in the black community. Make a black friend. Then ask them. Your ignorance is greater than my desire to answer your question.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
You’re not a racist for noticing color. You’re a moron for not noticing I notice color as well.

And I don’t have to insinuate that you’re a racist. You’ve made that perfectly clear in a number of posts.

But DO tell: what “game” are blacks supposed to be playing to avoid being blacklisted?[/quote]

It’s become far too easy for some on the fringe left to scream the word “racist” without ever having to back it up or offer any sort of proof.

Some who run out of arguments simply fall back and scream racist. I guess it’s pretty easy…

If you think about the implication of the word “racist” it is very nasty indeed. And YOU throw it around as if it has no serious negative connotation.

Even the most staunch liberals on this board have never called rainjack a racist. And they have debated him at length on just about every topic that has come down the pike.

rainjack is clearly not a racist and everyone (perhaps even you) knows this.

You can apologize now, or never be taken seriously again on this forum!

On the original topic, I would love to know the psychology of these Italian judges…

ROME (Reuters) ? Calling a foreigner a “dirty negro” in Italian is not necessarily a racist insult, Italy’s highest court has ruled.

The verdict, relating to a case where a group of Italian men punched and insulted some women from Colombia, caused deep unease at a time when Italy is struggling to contain racism.

The court on Monday ruled in favor of one of the men, who argued he was not being racist when he launched the assault with the words: “Sporche negre ? cosa ci fanno queste negre qua?” (“Dirty negroes ? what are these negroes doing here?”)

Most Italians would have no doubt that calling someone a “dirty negro” was a racist insult.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
On the original topic, I would love to The court on Monday ruled in favor of one of the men, who argued he was not being racist when he launched the assault with the words: “Sporche negre ? cosa ci fanno queste negre qua?” (“Dirty negroes ? what are these negroes doing here?”)[/quote]

What was His Honor’s take on the “punching” portion of the exchange?