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Professor X wrote:
I personally knew/know some very well educated racists. [/quote]
I find it somewhat curious that after the above post, the response was this:
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rainjack wrote:
I know of some very wealthy, well educated blacks that are extremely racisit as well.[/quote]
The first post said nothing of race, yet the response was almost defensive in the way that it included race–a quick reminder that blacks can be racist, too.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I agree, racism is prevalent on both sides of the (black/white) fence.
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I agree, but I think that, because of greater population, it seems to many, that racism is more prevalent on the “white” side of the fence.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I agree, racism is prevalent on both sides of the (black/white) fence.
I agree, but I think that, because of greater population, it seems to many, that racism is more prevalent on the “white” side of the fence.[/quote]
Agreed. Racism reaches all ethnicities , its pretty much all over. Its not just limited to America, look at the several conflicts in Africa.
Granted, the Europeans coming over there made it much worse but it still would have been scary over there if we were never involved. A lot of these are from the tribalist mindset which i would call a kind of racism.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I agree, racism is prevalent on both sides of the (black/white) fence.
I agree, but I think that, because of greater population, it seems to many, that racism is more prevalent on the “white” side of the fence.[/quote]
True, in absolute terms, yet I’m not sure which side has a higher proportion of racists.
[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
so i have to agree with you X. Just what i’ve observed. have any thoughts on my other posts on this subject?[/quote]
No. A thread like this can only bring out personal experience. This is why many Caucasians are accused of hiding their head in the sand when it comes to racism still being a factor today…because on average, they aren’t experiencing it anywhere near the frequency or severity of minority groups. No one faults you for having different experiences. People are faulted when they refuse to either accept that it is still an effective factor or that it still exists at all.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No. A thread like this can only bring out personal experience. This is why many Caucasians are accused of hiding their head in the sand when it comes to racism still being a factor today…because on average, they aren’t experiencing it anywhere near the frequency or severity of minority groups. No one faults you for having different experiences. People are faulted when they refuse to either accept that it is still an effective factor or that it still exists at all.[/quote]
I must be a freak of nature then.
I was stuffed in lockers by hispanics because I was white. I had the shit beat out of me by a bunch of older black kids because I was white.
My best friend and I applied for the same scholorship in high school - I had better grades, and more social stuff on my resume - but I was lacking a hispanic last name. He got the scholarship.
We were denied a low interest first-time home loan because I was the wrong color for the loans that were still available.
But yeah - I have no fucking clue what it’s like to be discriminated against.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
I totally agree, institutionalized racism against whites is a very serious problem. It has been for hundreds of years, or so I hear.[/quote]
Nice run. But you are going the wrong way. It’s not a contest, shithead.
Are you excusing racism against whites because we ‘deserve’ it?
Are you saying that, until we have faced the trials and tribulations of people that you have absolutely nothing in common with except skin color, racism against whites isn’t really a problem?
You make a sarcastic staement that doesn’t even approach the topic at hand, then saunter off. Do you feel really smart, now? Superior?
Please tell me what the relevance of your revelation is.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
But yeah - I have no fucking clue what it’s like to be discriminated against.
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I didn’t write that was the case. I wrote, “they aren’t experiencing it anywhere near the frequency or severity of minority groups.” Unless you plan to argue against that…
That is exactly why these supremacy groups are able to “convert” (from the pasted clip) people and keep their organization alive. If they can twist someones words around and make them THINK that is what they believe, then a weak minded person can be convinced that he believes in something that he didn’t really buy into in the first place. This works in both directions, of course.
Sounds like religion.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
But yeah - I have no fucking clue what it’s like to be discriminated against.
I didn’t write that was the case. I wrote, “they aren’t experiencing it anywhere near the frequency or severity of minority groups.” Unless you plan to argue against that…[/quote]
I wasn’t so much trying to argue with you as I was venting against Aleksandr’s bullshit.
[quote]kia kaha wrote:
Sounds like religion.
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It sounds like any special interest group or group of ideals.
Racism is a business in America. Its a method to keep a few manipulators in power, and to assure votes for a political party. The people who speak the most about racism do so to keep it on everyones mind and to keep themselves in office/power.
People that actually hate because of the color of someones skin have no logical basis, and are arguably loopy.
Contrary to what these leeches want you to think, these people are a super tiny part of our population.
Think about it for a minute, how many raving racists have you met?
Have they really had any impact on their surroundings? Or are they quickly dismissed…
Racism is a business.
Me and my brother are half Turkish and half English. I am the whitest looking person in the world whereas my brother is very olive skinned and dark haired.
I have never experienced racism. My brother has been chased/attacked on several occassions.
So even though we are both mixed race the deciding factor was the colour of our skin as to who has had to face racism personally.
I think it is pretty much a two way street with racism as I think that everyone has their own personal prejudices. Its just the degree to which they manifest them.
My dad is Turkish and would have been bitterly dissapointed if I or my brother ahd married a greek person. This is obviously due to hundreds of years of animosity and his personal experiences during the conflict in Cyprus.
My dads neighbour is Jamaican. He hates Africans. He has said that he feels they look down on West Indians in general.
The one thing they do agree on is that they both dont particularly like the English. My dad is married to an English woman and both he and his neighbour live in London.
Go figure.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
But yeah - I have no fucking clue what it’s like to be discriminated against.
I didn’t write that was the case. I wrote, “they aren’t experiencing it anywhere near the frequency or severity of minority groups.” Unless you plan to argue against that…[/quote]
Does that mean that only the most discriminated against group gets to complain? Is it only an issue if you are at the top of the “most abused” list?
I think that you need to put it in perspective. If a Caucasian kid lives in Gary, Indiana he is getting his share of abuse.
The racism that exists in the US is pretty tame compared to what it once was and that is a good thing. I have a friend who is 100% ethnic Japanese who was hit/slapped on the subway (in Japan) almost daily for having naturally curly hair and being a supposed “half-breed”. She has to straighten it before she goes out every day.
Anyone here have to do that?
[quote]Tango-down wrote:
Does that mean that only the most discriminated against group gets to complain? Is it only an issue if you are at the top of the “most abused” list? [/quote]
Let’s not be stupid, shall we? Did I write that? If you plan to even start a decent debate, you will have to do much better than that. No one has said that no racism exists towards whites. However, if you think you are about to receive a cookie because someone laughed at you once while ignoring racial profiling and other blatant acts that happen DAILY to minorities that can actually effect development and outlook greatly, my guess is, that cookie will be a long time coming. I would love to hear about the many times you were discriminated against. Care to share?
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I think that you need to put it in perspective. If a Caucasian kid lives in Gary, Indiana he is getting his share of abuse. [/quote]
Do tell.
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The racism that exists in the US is pretty tame compared to what it once was and that is a good thing. I have a friend who is 100% ethnic Japanese who was hit/slapped on the subway (in Japan) almost daily for having naturally curly hair and being a supposed “half-breed”. She has to straighten it before she goes out every day.
Anyone here have to do that?[/quote]
I went to a majority white church growing up (as in, we were the ONLY black family). Beyond random teasing (which led to one or two fights) was the pleasure of getting my hair touched regularly in Sunday school because it was “funny” and asked questions like, “Does your skin feel different being black…like, does it feel rougher than mine?” Mind you, you couldn’t pay me to go to that church now and that was many years ago. Your friend isn’t the only one.
[quote]ScienceGuy wrote:
Racism is a business in America. Its a method to keep a few manipulators in power, and to assure votes for a political party. The people who speak the most about racism do so to keep it on everyones mind and to keep themselves in office/power.
People that actually hate because of the color of someones skin have no logical basis, and are arguably loopy.
Contrary to what these leeches want you to think, these people are a super tiny part of our population.
Think about it for a minute, how many raving racists have you met?
Have they really had any impact on their surroundings? Or are they quickly dismissed…
Racism is a business.[/quote]
Can anyone say Congressional Black Caucus? How about NAACP?
Sounds like you have been listening to Walter Williams. Probably one of the 10 most hated black men in the U.S., by other blacks.
I just thought I’d throw the topic of biological altruism. Basically, this means that organisms will go to great lengths to allow their DNA, or as much of it as possible to continue on to the next generation, even if that involves sacrificing themselves. I.e. A parent dying to save their child, or even a nephew or non-direct relative, or an ant sacrificing itself for the colony/queen (since the drones can’t reproduce anyway).
Looking at the wider context of this, it would make sense that people would seek to secure the future of their genetic make-up - so they will save their own child preferentially before some-one elses, a relative before a stranger, a person of their own ethnicity before someone with a different ethnicity, a human before another mammal, a mammal before a reptile or fish, etc. etc.
It could be that racism is a natural expression of genetic favouritism that we all have.
Of course I’m not offering excuses - just thought I’d throw it out there.
I don’t think many people who make racist comments do hate people of different origins. A lot of the time I think it’s all words. I think sexisms probably a lot more prevalent in society, but that seems to almost be acceptable. Strange
Professor X,
It sometimes makes me mad that so many people simply misinterpret your posts!
Dang…
Hi Jimmy,
Hate’s pretty broad topic. I’m not sure how familiar you are with Psychology/Sociology, but there are many interesting experiments done on conformity, obedience, etc. which may be good starting points for your research. I’ll just mention a few very important and famous ones–even if you find that they aren’t applicable, they are still fascinating and shocking accountings of human behaviour.
Solomon Asch is one big name:
Stanley Milgram is another big name:
Philip Zimbardo is, yet again, a big name:
But I think the most appropriate experiment for your purposes is the one by Muzafer Sherif:
Of course, since it is English, you might want to draw inferences with William Golding’s “Lord Of The Flies”–that’ll always get bonus points with the teachers. Just to be safe, throw in a few choice quotes from “1984” and “Animal Farm” and “To Kill A Mockingbird” and there’s no way you’re getting anything less than an A.
At any rate, in my opinion, hate seems borne from the human desire to classify and categorize–in other words, discriminate. Unfortunately, discrimination occurs on the most basic levels (the easiest to access), leading to generalizations and prejudices that are difficult to disassociate once they are learned.
Hope those references help.