Tim Robbins is married to Susan Sarandon, right?
I love this topic.
You can get As a Man Thinketh (an oldie, but goodie) for free in PDF form here: http://www.asamanthinketh.net/
I agree: weeds or roses - it’s your call.
AAMT is great. Don’t forget Think and Grow Rich as well. I have to pick up the Murphy book immediately. This subject is fascinating.
Thanks Mike.
Yeah I meant Tony Robbins but it was probably a Freudian slip.
Tim Robbins didn’t shrink the kids he is the one that crawled through 400 yards of foul smelling shit that I could not fathom only to come out clean on the other side. Like he said, “hope is a wonderful thing maybe the best of things” - The Shawshank Redemption.
Oops, my bad. Rick Moranis is the testosterone-laced dude I was picturing. No idea how I got those names confused…
And speaking of Tony Robbins, people like to slam him, but if you take the time to read his books, the guy is a genius, and provides a lot of tools for managing your thoughts and emotions, as well as for motivating yourself in all aspects of your life.
And if you’re scared away by the size of his “Unlimited Power” and “Awaken the Giant Within” books, then go down and spend a few bucks on “Notes from a Friend”, which is a brief summary of most of his teachings and beliefs.
Great calls, DHolt and CMC on those two classics! (And I’m betting you’ll love “The Power of Your Subconscious Mind”, CMC. Got a new copy last month from Barnes and Noble for $8).
Another one that’s an easy read, but a real motivator is “The Magic of Thinking Big” by David Schwartz ($10 bucks @ Amazon). It’s been around awhile, but is worth the time.
This is a great topic Neil!!!
Ok ok ok
I was lucky enough to attend a Tony Robbins week long seminar in South Carolina a year ago.
It was the Date with Destiny, and it has changed my life for the better.
We have no idea how much FEAR runs our life and how much we are influenced by the media to be in a constant state of fear and doubt.
It was such a gift to go and it came via special invite from his wife Sage, who was a close friend of my then boyfriend.
Udo was also invited to come and talk to Tony’s Platinum group.
Sage is just as jazzed as Tony about the work they are doing and you can bet she is a little ball buster wrapped up in this petite package.
I was able to sit down and talk in depth with her regarding several things in my life. And she spared me no time to make excuses- she called me on the smallest little details and so did Tony.
The man does truly want to make a difference in the world as we know it and he is.
The only thing I have found is that trying to function now and continue to apply these new tools I have from him can be a bit of challenge.
As not allot of people are aware or actively using his tools so it can be interesting to see the resistance I get from people who can’t fathoms what I am working on.
Sorry I will end hi-jack now but I am so stoked about this topic and believe in the realm of training it is key to the success of the desired out come
-more latter count on it.
Yup, Osycho-Cybernetics and As A Man Thinketh are greats. I’m not so sure of Napoleon Hill, however. I remember at one point that it came out about many of the interviews he claimed in his book never happened. Can’t argue with results, though. Another good one is Grow Rich While You Sleep.
E - as a resident of South Carolina, I apologize for you having to visit our state. It’s not a whole lot of fun.
Hey E-Pluribus,
You think Tony Robbins is great huh? Okay, well then why is he currently divorced from that wonderful wife of his? Why is he being sued by former employees? Why is his life messed up?
I get a kick out of people like you. You go to a seminar and swallow all of the crap hook line and sinker LOL.
Do you think there might be a profit motive in all of that malarky?
“You think Tony Robbins is great huh? Okay, well then why is he currently divorced from that wonderful wife of his? Why is he being sued by former employees? Why is his life messed up?”
Ummm. Do I really have to point out that all this could happen to good guys?
I knew a guy that was one of the nicest people you’d ever meet, but guess what? He was divorced. Wife was a bitch, and he got screwed with alamony because it was based on his previous wages before his injury. Since he couldn’t do that work anymore, he couldn’t make as much money and he had to fight all this crap. Things were messed up. That does NOT take anything away from who his is and the nice things he’s done.
And we all know lots of people sue for stupid reasons.
Stoit,
One doesn’t necessarily have to be a friend of or admire Tim, Toni or Rick Moranis but IMHO it is finding a source that can help motivate you. Not everyone may be able to self motivate themselves and whether it be through a seminar, website, magazine, your latest Korn CD or the pastor at your church…whatever gives one the drive to better themselves.
Granted, I do believe that there is a question of character but having a lawsuit or a divorce under your belt doesn’t make someone a lesser person. (Damn, did I just agree with NeilG?) The bad, lesser, greedy ass person might just be on the other side of the courtroom in those proceedings.
Stoit…don’t look know but you sort of just condemned Tony Robbins for his success by saying it was profit motivated. That sort of goes along with my earlier post?you can?t expect success out of yourself if you resent others for theirs.
I yield back the balance of my time.
STOIT - lol wow kinda a heated topic for ya I take it. No prob, I can’t go in to to much detail I am in class, and the questions you ask are good ones for sure!
He too is only human. There will always be “someting” that is a challange.
His ex wife was wonderful but they grew apart I would guess? his new wife is a friend so it is not like I just slapped down some cash and waved the banner. I was invited and that was something they did not have to be so kind.
But as a single mom who in the past has struggled to meet all the goals I have his “tools” have helped me to work through and get clear on where I am going.
I can olny talk about them and vouch for them. I have no right to say he is with out fault or that he is perfect.
But I can say his Problems he speaks about openly and he dosen’t hide his issues.
I guess it would depend on what type of learner you are.
If you are a Humanist then being able to hear how and what problems he has encountered in his life could be a valuble resource.
If you are a Cognitive learner then the step by step tasks he asks you to go through will be usefull.
If you are a Behaviourlist learner then the orginised schedualing and steps he guides you through are benificial.
These are all aspect that you can’t denigh are tools he brings to his “clients” and these all took him time to work in to a Tool box.
Goota go but I think you bring up a good point
I know he is sueing ex partners too.
There is 2 sides always
And you have to look at the good and bad.
I am sure he has room to grow as a “Perfect Human” but if he were to not help people because he has real life issues like every it would be our loss.
I didn’t have to go over what I wrote so sorry about sp.
Neil, can bad people also do good things?
Cravell, so you are saying that no matter how you go about making it, that profit is good?
Tony Robbins has a large following he is a good salesman no question. However, I have a probelem with him based upon what I know about about him from former employees and what I have witnessed regarding his personal life style. I thought I would pass this on in my post.
If I were to look for motivational speakers I would listen to people like Zig Ziglar, Og Mandino, Dr. Dennis Waitly and others.These men have a well proven track record of walking the walk, unlike Robbins.
The tired old argument about “no one being perfect” is just that tired and old. Naturally no one is perfect however that does not excuse all bad behavior does it? Lets put the Robbins argument aside for a second and use a more obvious example.
Would you rather listen to someone who has lived what they preach or someone who has not? Would you prefer to take moral advice from someone who has committed a rape during the past two months, has not yet been caught and is unrepentent. Or, from someone who has lived a good life harmed no one and practices what he preaches? All things being equal I know which one you should be listening to.
While, 30 years ago people were perhaps to quick to judge others, we have swung in the opposite direction, and might I say for the worse. Now it seems everything is alright (as long as it does not seem to harm you directly that is)and we are not to make any judgements on anyone regardless of what it is.
As far as I am concerned I will take my marriage advice from someone who not only knows about marriage but has a happy one himself. I will take my training advice from someone who not only knows about training but has trained himself. I will take my moral advice from someone who not only preaches about high moral values but lives them as well!
“Neil, can bad people also do good things?”
That’s irrelevent.
Great posts, Cravell and E~. And E~, I’m green with envy! That’s one seminar that I would love to go to!
And there’ll alway be STOITS’ around who don’t get it or care to get it and that’s cool. For others, when they recognize useful tools that can be applied and used to better their lives, they scoop 'em up and make them a part of their lives, which is cool, too!
People have to remember that we’re all human, and no matter who we are, life deals blows to people and we deal with it. Tony Robbins has given TONS to charities, helped out countless people around the world, and yes, made a substantial amount of money in the meantime. Welcome to America and the concept of capitalism.
TC and the gang have probably done alright for themselves through their ventures with T-Mag and Biotest. So what? How many people have been helped by having access to tons of FREE information that they could print off and create books with that would cost a lot of money to purchase elsewhere? And how much fun and informative can these forums be? Same thing with regards to someone like Tony Robbins.
And STOIT, are you intimately familiar with “Zig Ziglar, Og Mandino, Dr. Dennis Waitly and others’” lives?
I disagree that we were much harsher on people in the past. On the contrary. Much more of people’s personal lives is public now than used to be.
Concerning past employees alleged remarks about Tony, I have seen more than one website out there created by Tony’s ex-employees who are plagarizing his material, and then have the audacity to even ask for money “if you’d like more information”.
Personally, I think he needs to be more selective about who he hires.
And your insinuation that he is “someone who has committed a rape during the past two months, has not yet been caught and is unrepentent.” is ridiculous. Care to substantiate that wild accusation?
STOIT -
Although I did find your first response to my post to be a bit attacking since you do not know anything about me, I still did agree that there is a benifit to considering the source and acting acordingly.
I agree that Tony dose focuse on $ means to be happy - This dose bring up some questions - as a person who is choosing to engage life as a Christian I agree this aspect causes questions for me.
I have never said I have “jumped on the band wagon blindly” this is where I think you have over reacted in regards to myself.Rather have found what worked and applied it and have found a benifit.
If you question him from say a Christian point of view I think that is as I said before a good thing.
And worth talking about (not here on this thread)
However I am only talking about my findings on a personal level and that is all I can say.
Have you met him?
Have you attended or seen him in person?
Or are you only basing your views on third party info? How do you know that the information you get is valid?
Just a question.
I do not want to continue to argue about weather he is allowed to divorce ect. I ask you this would it be better to stay in a relationship that is unhealthy?
Moreover to clairify with you that Og Mandino is one of my fav writters, “The Choice” is the last one I read and I liked it.
“The Greatest Salesman in the World” is another great book as it is written in the first person so as you read it your are able to access your own subconciouse. I loved what I have read so far and will continue to read his books.
Have you read “The Magic of Beliveing”?
I forgot the author. Great source to many different ways the power of the subconciouse can be seen.
Mike Mann,
I think before you criticize other peoples posts you need to actually read them…slowly!
Anyone who read my post can see
my exact statement: “Lets put the Robbins argument aside for a second and use a more obvious example”.
I then go on to use the Rape example which has nothing to do with Robbins.
As to your other erroneous attacks. I do not know Ziglar, Mandino and Waitly personally. However, I have never heard a bad word written or said about them. Does that mean they are perfect? No. But, when you do hear several bad things being said about others and have some personal knowledge as well it might be time to make a judgement or two.
I do not know Saddam or Bin Laden personally either but I hear they are bad guys. Do you think they are bad guys? Gee, how can we make such a judgement we do not know them personally. There must be something to all the bad PR they have been getting huh?
Hold on they cant be bad guys I heard that Saddam spent over 1 billion dollars in the Iraqi school system in the mid 90’s. Does that make him a good guy now? According to your logic it does indeed. Lol
I hope you read this post more closely than my previous one! Remember, s l o w l y.
Dude, anyone ever accuse you of being
c o n d e s c e n d i n g?
My bad. I misread your post. Please accept my apology.
My point with the “intimately familiar” comment was the result of the following comment you made:
" However, I have a probelem with him based upon what I know about about him from former employees and what I have witnessed regarding his personal life style."
You sound like you’re pretty up on Tony and his personal lifestyle, having “witnessed” it (i.e. seen with your own eyes).
Which brought up the obvious question. Are you also as intimately familiar with the others you so highly regard?
No mystery in my logic there.
Now here’s the really funny thing.
I can’t believe I’ve wasted this much time debating this, because I personally don’t give a rat’s ass whether you love or hate Tony, but just wanted to point out that some people do get a lot of value out of his teachings, and I wanted to air my view about your view.
Which is what I did.
I’m not changing your mind, STOITS, and you’re not changing mine, so maybe we can agree to disagree. Sound fair?
Have any of you gone to see an EFT practician or did you just do the tapping and affirmations yourself? I bounced around Mercola’s site and he gives a nice how-to on EFT. However, I’m wondering if it’s more beneficial to work with a professional.
BTW, any comments on his nutritional approach? I saw that too while I was on his site (had never heard about his book).