[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Vejne wrote:
Here’s a picture of me from a few years ago before any type of sports:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4457/p1010354wwwkepfeltoltesfu6.jpg that guy in “black”. It was about 288 lbs, pretty lean. now I’m about 210 lbs, though I’m aiming for 230 until next April perhaps.
did you just say you were pretty lean?
i should have known this was a troll job[/quote]
Sarcasm???
I should be the poster boy for getting over the fear of gaining fat! Seriously…
All i ever focused on was being ripped.ripped.ripped. But all i ever looked at was big motherfuckers on youtube. I am also a massive bodybuilding fan…
So, in Janurary i made the decision that im gonna get big and thats it. I dont give a fuck about bodyfat. So i started to up the food intake. I started gaining weight, it felt good, and i still looked great in the mirror… A few weeks later after seeing i a still lean i up’ed the food again… By the time May came around i was up 14 lbs and had full abs when tensed, bit of a gut when relaxed, but i am totally cool with it, because it means nothing to me now. Im all about getting muscle.
Then my weight stalled, for about for about 2 months, simply because of summer time and so much more shit goin on, i adapted the mentality that im just gonna stall and let this new weight become apart of me… Thats what happened.
Then come July im like fuck this, i wanna be bigger! So im back eating like i was in May. 4300 kcal a day. My weight didnt budge, but i was still pushing more weight every time i was in the gym… So… there is only one solution, more food… Now when i think more food, fat gain doesn’t even exist in my mind. Its all about getting the muscle.
Im now pounding 5000 kcal a day in me and am up 21 pounds since Jan, its tough as fuck, after half a meal im full, but full doesnt mean anything, you still gotta put all that food in you if you wanna grow. I am a totally different person when it comes to training and food, I am very simple and very ‘hardcore’ about it. I can never again be a pussy! So all im saying is that you gotta man the fuck up, and focus and doing what you gotta do to get what you want… There is nothing more to it!!! Fuck all the other bullshit that comes into your mind, fat gain and what not, im telling you that 20 pounds added to your frame when its mostly muscle is fuckin insane, you’ll think you were an idiot to want to be lean at the weight you were previous, i want another 20 pounds now, then ill access where I wanna go from there.
[quote]paul496 wrote:
I should be the poster boy for getting over the fear of gaining fat! Seriously…
Im all about getting muscle.
i wanna be bigger! … Now when i think more food, fat gain doesn’t even exist in my mind. Its all about getting the muscle.
I am very simple and very ‘hardcore’ about it. I can never again be a pussy! So all im saying is that you gotta man the fuck up, and focus and doing what you gotta do to get what you want… There is nothing more to it!!! Fuck all the other bullshit that comes into your mind, fat gain and what not, im telling you that 20 pounds added to your frame when its mostly muscle is fuckin insane, you’ll think you were an idiot to want to be lean at the weight you were previous, i want another 20 pounds now, then ill access where I wanna go from there.[/quote]
I just picked out all the bits I liked. Sweet story there!!!
[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:
paul496 wrote:
I should be the poster boy for getting over the fear of gaining fat! Seriously…
Im all about getting muscle.
i wanna be bigger! … Now when i think more food, fat gain doesn’t even exist in my mind. Its all about getting the muscle.
I am very simple and very ‘hardcore’ about it. I can never again be a pussy! So all im saying is that you gotta man the fuck up, and focus and doing what you gotta do to get what you want… There is nothing more to it!!! Fuck all the other bullshit that comes into your mind, fat gain and what not, im telling you that 20 pounds added to your frame when its mostly muscle is fuckin insane, you’ll think you were an idiot to want to be lean at the weight you were previous, i want another 20 pounds now, then ill access where I wanna go from there.
I just picked out all the bits I liked. Sweet story there!!!
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Thank you bro…
[quote]paul496 wrote:
im telling you that 20 pounds added to your frame when its mostly muscle is fuckin insane, you’ll think you were an idiot to want to be lean at the weight you were previous, i want another 20 pounds now, then ill access where I wanna go from there.[/quote]
Awesome. Thanks.
[quote]DaFreak wrote:
nkb1964 wrote:
My goal is 1.0-1.5 lbs/week with at least half of that being lean mass. Let’s see if I can reach somewhere between 190-200 by Christmas.
Herein lies the problem - You can’t expect that kind of gains, else you would gain 40 of LBM each year. You should aim 1 pound per week on a clean bulk, whatever it is - fat or muscle. Just keep the same caloric intake for a while, assuming you workout hard enough you will gain quality weight. And by the way, if you stay at the same weight and lose 2-3lbs of fat, you’re growing - so stop weighing yourself, it doesn’t tell you anything except how much space you occupy on earth.[/quote]
Wouldn’t it be more wise to have him get as much scale increase as possible while monitoring his fat gains? That fits with your idea of losing fat but maintaing weight; if he can tell he is getting leaner and looking at the scale to see no increase in weight, then he’s in the clear.
A Public Service Announcement on the subject.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
A Public Service Announcement on the subject.[/quote]
Dude, if I’d been drinking something when the picture popped up, I’d have laughed it out my nose.
[quote]nkb1964 wrote:
Therizza wrote:
A Public Service Announcement on the subject.
Dude, if I’d been drinking something when the popped up, I’d have laughed it out my nose.[/quote]
I try my best to elicit that type of response. lol
I wouldn’t know what to do with abs if I even have them.
All hail the keg.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
NewDamage wrote:
nkb1964 wrote:
NewDamage wrote:
I was under the impression the OP was simply sharing a method he has in order to OVERCOME his fear of excessive fat gain so that he DOES continue to make progress, that’s about it.
If I had to summarize my intention for posting this, I’d say it was to get those of us who are small and not making any progress to look for the true barriers to achieving what we say we want to achieve, and to realize that those barriers may be psychological: fear of failure, fear of success, fear of getting “fat”, etc.
And I’d say that’s a pretty useful post around these here parts.
It may be useful but if they truly have that sort of fear of any fat gain, what is going to break that barrier? Most of the newbs here seem think any time we say “you may gain SOME body fat” that this means they will all become obese. You have at least one author here selling that very idea in articles about loose skin and such due to his own inner fears of body fat and the newbs are more likely to listen to some 165lbs personal trainer than to anyone else here.
You either accept that the goal is to gain muscle as you let nothing stand in your way at the table and in the gym…or you sit there at near the same body weight for years accusing everyone who is growing of “genetics/drugs”.
It isn’t a barrier, it’s more like a choice.[/quote]
While I agree with everything you wrote, I don’t understand why you wrote it.
What I referred to as “useful” was the OP’s approach to exactly what you mention - breaking that barrier, in addition to the RECOGNITION that those barriers/choices may limit one’s progress, and finding ways to deal with those will help one make progress again.
[quote]Stuntman Mike wrote:
I wouldn’t know what to do with abs if I even have them.
All hail the keg.[/quote]
You should wash your clothes on it just so u can say that you have washboard abs
Yea the stomach fat and the bloat was always a barrier for me in the past, but now I am just dealing with it for the greater good.
And besides I can loose fat easier than I can put on the muscle.
Thanks guys. Your responses have helped keep me moving forward.
I’ve been eating 500-100 cals above maintenance daily for the past two weeks. I feel like my gut is absolutely huge, although in reality the skinfold is only up about 1mm. The rest of it is just the extra food/gas sitting in there. Taking the advice of whoever gave it to wear looser pants and pushing on.
I’m planning to summarize my log by week and post it around Christmas time (assuming I’ve had some measure of success) in the hopes that anyone else who’s afraid to get “fat” will read it and understand how much of it is psychological.
BTW, the wife finally said she wanted to start lifting also (we went through her first workout already). She finally gave in when I asked my 17 YO daughter “How much are you benching now?”, and remarked on how cool it was to be asking my daughter that question.
[quote]xb-C wrote:
being 6’0 and 170 I think you need to worry more about how much you are eating, or aren’t eating and your intensity in the gym.
if you start gaining what you think is too much fat do some form of cardio. this shit is not complicated, what happened to just going to the gym and busting ass and going home and busting ass at the dinner table?[/quote]
its not complicated because youre 6’0" and 170. once you put on 50 lbs of lean mass it becomes extremely complicated.
[quote]nkb1964 wrote:
My goal is 1.0-1.5 lbs/week with at least half of that being lean mass. Let’s see if I can reach somewhere between 190-200 by Christmas.
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well build it out. bulk for a hard 12-16 weeks and then go into a diet for 12-16 weeks. you dont have to worry about getting fat because you will lean back out. you cant stay in a perpetual bulk/diet program. so build out the next year on what you want and work backwards.
[quote]seth.ewan wrote:
nkb1964 wrote:
My goal is 1.0-1.5 lbs/week with at least half of that being lean mass. Let’s see if I can reach somewhere between 190-200 by Christmas.
well build it out. bulk for a hard 12-16 weeks and then go into a diet for 12-16 weeks. you dont have to worry about getting fat because you will lean back out. you cant stay in a perpetual bulk/diet program. so build out the next year on what you want and work backwards. [/quote]
That is stupid, you shouldn’t be putting on so much fat that you need 16 weeks dieting for every 16 weeks you bulk. Guys like X gain weight for YEARS before they start dieting. At the very least, try gaining MUSCLE for a good solid 10 months and reassess where you are at there. If you haven’t built strength/muscle after 10 months, you have failed. If you have gained mostly fat after 10 months, you have failed. If you still don’t have a gut after 10 months and you are gaining muscle/strength, keep on going with gaining weight. Whatever you do, don’t go on a cut after four months because you are getting a bit of a gut, you will just be undoing everything you did for the last four months. Instead, why not just clean up your diet or increase cardio so you can keep on going.
Fuck me, this isn’t rocket science, people…
[quote]seth.ewan wrote:
xb-C wrote:
being 6’0 and 170 I think you need to worry more about how much you are eating, or aren’t eating and your intensity in the gym.
if you start gaining what you think is too much fat do some form of cardio. this shit is not complicated, what happened to just going to the gym and busting ass and going home and busting ass at the dinner table?
its not complicated because youre 6’0" and 170. once you put on 50 lbs of lean mass it becomes extremely complicated.[/quote]
Wait, it does? I must have missed the “magic 50lbs complication” phase. Care to go into detail why it suddenly becomes so complicated for you?
[quote]seth.ewan wrote:
nkb1964 wrote:
My goal is 1.0-1.5 lbs/week with at least half of that being lean mass. Let’s see if I can reach somewhere between 190-200 by Christmas.
well build it out. bulk for a hard 12-16 weeks and then go into a diet for 12-16 weeks. you dont have to worry about getting fat because you will lean back out. you cant stay in a perpetual bulk/diet program. so build out the next year on what you want and work backwards. [/quote]
This is the worst advice anyone could take if their goal is to make significant progress. Anyone doing this will find themselves running in circles. 3 months would be just enough to START seeing decent progress in muscle gains…and then you suggest destroying those gains by immediately throwing the body into a caloric deficit?
Why no pics of your own progress?
