Forlife, I can confirm that. Though wintertime I don’t really care. Just want to keep the number on the scale to ascend every week. I packed on 45 lbs last winter, cut this summer and still got bout 30 lbs left as “clean gains”.
Just need to be smart with the food intake, I can’t imagine anyone screwing it up with becoming literally a fat guy in just a few short months.
[quote]Vejne wrote:
Forlife, I can confirm that. Though wintertime I don’t really care. Just want to keep the number on the scale to ascend every week. I packed on 45 lbs last winter, cut this summer and still got bout 30 lbs left as “clean gains”.
Just need to be smart with the food intake, I can’t imagine anyone screwing it up with becoming literally a fat guy in just a few short months. [/quote]
If you can confirm that, how “fat” were you “formally”?
[quote]forlife wrote:
Therizza wrote:
I think the only people who worry about getting fat when bulking are those who have always been naturally lean, through genetics or not being fed yo BEANS AND CORNBREAD as a child.
Actually, it’s common among FFBs (former fat boys). Having been fat, they are scared to death of it happening again.[/quote]
I mean dudes who, like me, played football and ran around in the woods and shit, but ate everything in sight. Linemen and linebackers. Those types of guys don’t have a problem with eating big and working hard. Fat is easy to lose, muscle is hard to build.
Guys who have ALWAYS been tiny, due to not eating as a child, might have a harder time since they perceive anything above seeing ribs being ‘fat’.
Sorry for the hijack
[quote]Therizza wrote:
forlife wrote:
Therizza wrote:
I think the only people who worry about getting fat when bulking are those who have always been naturally lean, through genetics or not being fed yo BEANS AND CORNBREAD as a child.
Actually, it’s common among FFBs (former fat boys). Having been fat, they are scared to death of it happening again.
I mean dudes who, like me, played football and ran around in the woods and shit, but ate everything in sight. Linemen and linebackers. Those types of guys don’t have a problem with eating big and working hard. Fat is easy to lose, muscle is hard to build.
Guys who have ALWAYS been tiny, due to not eating as a child, might have a harder time since they perceive anything above seeing ribs being ‘fat’.
Sorry for the hijack[/quote]
I couldn’t imagine growing up any other way. My mom would kick us outside all summer long. It was rare for us to be inside for long periods of time. That is why I despise that “FFB” label because most of the people using it were completely immobile previously yet have stuck to this box they place themselves in which does nothing but prevent much further progress.
if you literally FEAR fat gain, then don’t expect to get very large. None of us have the goal of getting fatter, but to build massive muscles takes way more food than an average person would be comfortable with. Someone fearing fat gains would never even find where their limits are.
Here’s a picture of me from a few years ago before any type of sports:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4457/p1010354wwwkepfeltoltesfu6.jpg that guy in “black”. It was about 288 lbs, pretty lean. now I’m about 210 lbs, though I’m aiming for 230 until next April perhaps.
the dude dancing?
[quote]Vejne wrote:
Here’s a picture of me from a few years ago before any type of sports:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4457/p1010354wwwkepfeltoltesfu6.jpg that guy in “black”. It was about 288 lbs, pretty lean. now I’m about 210 lbs, though I’m aiming for 230 until next April perhaps.[/quote]
That qualifies. I have seen pics of some of these other guys though and they really aren’t very fat. They were just untrained before but label themselves that way.
Good job on the weight loss.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why are guys so worried about this shit lately? Like gaining some body fat is the end of life. You would have to be a complete moron to somehow become OBESE without noticing it happen and you would think more guys would be more focused on getting really big and really strong first before they started worrying about how much like a supermodel they looked.
You are focused on the wrong shit if your goal is to be super ripped BEFORE any real muscle has been built. What are the goals now? Is Brad Pitt in Fight club still the fucking ideal?
At 6 feet tall and only 170lbs, why not work on getting to 200lbs before worrying about how super lean you are?[/quote]
I’m pretty sure I said this exact same thing…
Thanks Professor, I hope I’ll be at least that succesfull at gaining weight too.
[quote]xb-C wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Why are guys so worried about this shit lately? Like gaining some body fat is the end of life. You would have to be a complete moron to somehow become OBESE without noticing it happen and you would think more guys would be more focused on getting really big and really strong first before they started worrying about how much like a supermodel they looked.
You are focused on the wrong shit if your goal is to be super ripped BEFORE any real muscle has been built. What are the goals now? Is Brad Pitt in Fight club still the fucking ideal?
At 6 feet tall and only 170lbs, why not work on getting to 200lbs before worrying about how super lean you are?
I’m pretty sure I said this exact same thing…[/quote]
I think NewDamage’s beef was that people like to say things that they hear bigger guys say without actually implementing it into whatever they’re doing. It’s easy to say some shit like this because you heard someone else say it.
[quote]xb-C wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Why are guys so worried about this shit lately? Like gaining some body fat is the end of life. You would have to be a complete moron to somehow become OBESE without noticing it happen and you would think more guys would be more focused on getting really big and really strong first before they started worrying about how much like a supermodel they looked.
You are focused on the wrong shit if your goal is to be super ripped BEFORE any real muscle has been built. What are the goals now? Is Brad Pitt in Fight club still the fucking ideal?
At 6 feet tall and only 170lbs, why not work on getting to 200lbs before worrying about how super lean you are?
I’m pretty sure I said this exact same thing…[/quote]
I’ve been past 200 a few different times and I’ve dieted off the 20lbs of fat I had on me if not more both times. So I don’t think being over 200lbs is a good goal, unless you give yourself a long enough time-line.
So I guess my question would be how long “should” it take to get to 200lbs? And at what bf% are you willing to accept to get there?
Like Sebastian said, aiming for a pound a week is more realistic, and more than a pound a week indicates senior lard ass is on the way!
[quote]skohcl wrote:
xb-C wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Why are guys so worried about this shit lately? Like gaining some body fat is the end of life. You would have to be a complete moron to somehow become OBESE without noticing it happen and you would think more guys would be more focused on getting really big and really strong first before they started worrying about how much like a supermodel they looked.
You are focused on the wrong shit if your goal is to be super ripped BEFORE any real muscle has been built. What are the goals now? Is Brad Pitt in Fight club still the fucking ideal?
At 6 feet tall and only 170lbs, why not work on getting to 200lbs before worrying about how super lean you are?
I’m pretty sure I said this exact same thing…
I’ve been past 200 a few different times and I’ve dieted off the 20lbs of fat I had on me if not more both times. So I don’t think being over 200lbs is a good goal, unless you give yourself a long enough time-line.
So I guess my question would be how long “should” it take to get to 200lbs? And at what bf% are you willing to accept to get there?
Like Sebastian said, aiming for a pound a week is more realistic, and more than a pound a week indicates senior lard ass is on the way![/quote]
What?
You don’t think shooting for 200lbs is a good idea because…why? LOL @ [quote]unless you give yourself a long enough time-line[/quote]…as if this is some short term activity we are engaged in. Do you mean your long term goals are to weigh less than 200lbs?
[quote]forlife wrote:
Therizza wrote:
I think the only people who worry about getting fat when bulking are those who have always been naturally lean, through genetics or not being fed yo BEANS AND CORNBREAD as a child.
Actually, it’s common among FFBs (former fat boys). Having been fat, they are scared to death of it happening again.[/quote]
This was a big issue for me in the beginning.
fwiw i only gain ~20 pounds a year.
ive been bulking for 2 years although my body comp hasn’t changed dramatically. pretty much my vascularity washed out unless i have a pump or something and obviously no abs. also my stomach has gotten a litle bigger but its mostly from having a bigger stomach as a result of food storage than a result of fat storage.
[quote]Vejne wrote:
Here’s a picture of me from a few years ago before any type of sports:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4457/p1010354wwwkepfeltoltesfu6.jpg that guy in “black”. It was about 288 lbs, pretty lean. now I’m about 210 lbs, though I’m aiming for 230 until next April perhaps.[/quote]
did you just say you were pretty lean?
i should have known this was a troll job
Most people are treating this as a post complaining about getting fat, and some even going so far as to offer advice.
I was under the impression the OP was simply sharing a method he has in order to OVERCOME his fear of excessive fat gain so that he DOES continue to make progress, that’s about it. The thread has derailed from that, as usual, but I don’t think some people are even reading the original post thoroughly.
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
I was under the impression the OP was simply sharing a method he has in order to OVERCOME his fear of excessive fat gain so that he DOES continue to make progress, that’s about it.
[/quote]
If I had to summarize my intention for posting this, I’d say it was to get those of us who are small and not making any progress to look for the true barriers to achieving what we say we want to achieve, and to realize that those barriers may be psychological: fear of failure, fear of success, fear of getting “fat”, etc.
[quote]nkb1964 wrote:
NewDamage wrote:
I was under the impression the OP was simply sharing a method he has in order to OVERCOME his fear of excessive fat gain so that he DOES continue to make progress, that’s about it.
If I had to summarize my intention for posting this, I’d say it was to get those of us who are small and not making any progress to look for the true barriers to achieving what we say we want to achieve, and to realize that those barriers may be psychological: fear of failure, fear of success, fear of getting “fat”, etc.[/quote]
And I’d say that’s a pretty useful post around these here parts.
Ok then, after reading some of the posts above, here’s one general impression I think holds people back.
Setting any form of limit or rough criteria on what they want as they attempt to gain mass.
I’ll call this my “what the fuck?” list when I see people who are small and not strong expressing why they’re struggling. I believe this is relevant for the newB bodybuilder, because I consider myself that as I’m still increasing in mass for the first time after adopting this lifestyle 19months ago (22kg gained and still going!!).
Examples on my “what the fuck?” list
Not going over 200lbs body weight
Not wanting to bench 405lbs
Not wanting to lose their abs
Not wanting to go into double digits body fat
Wanting to change program every 3-4 weeks to try out the new-fangled XYZ super compensation bounce-back exercise routine
Paralysis through analysis examples (of programs, nutrition, body comp etc etc etc)
No limits. Train hard, eat properly, and make magic happen (yes, I’m beating the drum alot in this thread).
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
nkb1964 wrote:
NewDamage wrote:
I was under the impression the OP was simply sharing a method he has in order to OVERCOME his fear of excessive fat gain so that he DOES continue to make progress, that’s about it.
If I had to summarize my intention for posting this, I’d say it was to get those of us who are small and not making any progress to look for the true barriers to achieving what we say we want to achieve, and to realize that those barriers may be psychological: fear of failure, fear of success, fear of getting “fat”, etc.
And I’d say that’s a pretty useful post around these here parts. [/quote]
It may be useful but if they truly have that sort of fear of any fat gain, what is going to break that barrier? Most of the newbs here seem think any time we say “you may gain SOME body fat” that this means they will all become obese. You have at least one author here selling that very idea in articles about loose skin and such due to his own inner fears of body fat and the newbs are more likely to listen to some 165lbs personal trainer than to anyone else here.
You either accept that the goal is to gain muscle as you let nothing stand in your way at the table and in the gym…or you sit there at near the same body weight for years accusing everyone who is growing of “genetics/drugs”.
It isn’t a barrier, it’s more like a choice.
