My question is im looking at running 4-500mgs of test only i will have adex on hand “But”.
If i run 50mgs of prov. how strong of an anti e is it.
Or should i stick with the adex for e. control and save my money on the proviron.
Does any one know at what percent the proviron will cut your estrogen??/???
Thx as always,
The Judge
Why is adex a just-in-case issue?
You need to control E at ALL times when taking gear that aromatizes. Adex is cheap. Your cycle will be more productive when E2 in the 20’s [0–54 pg/ml].
I have allways believed it best to use only if you have to do so.
Estrogen buid up causes water retention that causes heavier lifts and more muscle.
To much adex and you loose some gains thats why.
but really i may try running 50 of prov. with the 500 to see if it can hold off the gyno.
I’m really looking for the input on the prov.
THX ANY WAY BUT HOW DO YOU SEE THE PROV. COMING INTO PLAY???
I’ll tell you from personal experience that it was not enough for me at around those dosages. My advice: Proviron is wonderful for its SHBG binding properties, but NEVER depend on it to prevent gyno or control estrogen for you. Get an AI for sure. Adex is not going to inhibit gains that much. I think that old saw about adex inhibiting gains gets thrown around way too much on these boards. I have made terrific, terrific gains while on fairly high doses of arimidex. Estrogen needs to be controlled. Yes, get proviron, in fact, your addition of proviron may free up enough test to make up for any gains that an AI will inhibit.
[quote]judgeroybean wrote:
I have allways believed it best to use only if you have to do so.
Estrogen buid up causes water retention that causes heavier lifts and more muscle.
To much adex and you loose some gains thats why.
but really i may try running 50 of prov. with the 500 to see if it can hold off the gyno.
I’m really looking for the input on the prov.
THX ANY WAY BUT HOW DO YOU SEE THE PROV. COMING INTO PLAY???
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Hes right if u dont have to take an anti-estrogen many bodybuilders believe that anabolics work better without one. However the trade off between the drugs working a bit better and getting gyno is a no brainer, so many take the anti-estrogen. However there are many people who can take anything in any amount and never show a hint of gyno. For them I dont see the reason for one.
I’m on your side on this one Judge you crazy sum bitch you, but I have no hands-on experience with gear. I only base my assumptions on my book knowledge. How long are you running the proviron?
As others have testified to, proviron is not a good AI but its inclusion should almost be mandated as its other benefits are a real plus
Even before the ‘3G’ AI’s arrived, proviron never was used alone as an anti-aromatase… it was used in conjunction with tamoxifen as the best way to prevent estrogenic symptoms - as the nolva ‘blocked’ the hormone, and proviron prevented the hormone from being converted in the first place.
As an anti E, proviron is only used as a kind of ancillary ancillary… that is to say, a drug to assist another ancillary drug (nolvadex).
Judge… you have already noticed you are semi-sensitive to gyno, trust me, prevention is the best route… and anastrozole is the best drug in your case.
PLUS, 0.25mg EOD or ED isnt going to suppress E to ridiculously low levels anyway, you will still have plenty to ‘go around’… even at its best arimidex is 80% effective, as it cant get to the aromatase enzyme in the adipose tissues (unlike letrozole, which can).
Hope this settles this for you…
(also proviron has other benefits and it will HELP with anti E anyway… but the SHBG benefits alone are enough to warrant its inclusion.
JJ
I hate to sound like a total dip shit i hear shgb quite often may i ask what the hell it is or does.
I would search the enter net my self but it is sunday and my religion mandates i rest!!!
young joseph
Cortes my friend i to made great gains on 20mgs of nolv while running a cycle.
What i did notice is my shoulders which normally felt bloated and watery were really very solid.
If my money wasn’t so funny i would add the prov. thx for the chimes brother.
You allways have something good to bring to the table it is appreciated.
RIGHT ON,
THE JUDGE
MR. SAPS i’m still hellbent over your last suggestion when i was going to have gyno surgery.
150MGS ANADROL
1000MGS OF TEST
500MGS E.Q
Shit son i all most wen’t for it!!!
UGHH OR WAS THAT TESTABOL
ANY WHO
THX FOR THE CHIME ROADEE,
THE JUDGE
Growing boy
"SCHOOL ISN'T OUT YET SON"
Or my wife still has you on lock down roadeee!!!
No rush on starting oyur first cycle really though brother your doing it right.
KEEP ON READING.
But really i keep picturing you with your nose in a sex ed manual trying to figure out which hole to stick the finger in!!!
OH shit my bad i was talking shit and didn’t answer you question.
Nothing personal if i could afford it i would run the prov. the entire lenghth of my cycle.
Then i would cruise with 200mgs of test with 250I.U of hcg to bring the boys back to life.
Until i go back on allthough it would be best i think to start the h.c.g at week four then drop it for the cruise unless my testes begin to atrophy.
Then i would simply add the h.c.g back into play but yeah i would like to run prov. with every cycle for its full length!!!
Look into it
JUDGE
Was 4 consecutive posts necessary? Anyhow, semi-hijack question and you can have your thread back. Would .25mg EOD of Adex be enough to stop gyno from occurring when someone is taking about 1g of aromatizable gear and is most likely semi-sensitive to gyno since that person got gyno during puberty?
[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
Was 4 consecutive posts necessary? Anyhow, semi-hijack question and you can have your thread back. Would .25mg EOD of Adex be enough to stop gyno from occurring when someone is taking about 1g of aromatizable gear and is most likely semi-sensitive to gyno since that person got gyno during puberty?[/quote]
i doubt it…
One gram i would think not if they are very sensitive but it all depends on the indivigual.
You could start out at that dose if its not working increase to ed still nothing 0.5 eod still nothing 0.5ed so on so forth.
Yeah it was quite a bit over kill 4- consequitive i was bored.
[quote]judgeroybean wrote:
One gram i would think not if they are very sensitive but it all depends on the indivigual.
You could start out at that dose if its not working increase to ed still nothing 0.5 eod still nothing 0.5ed so on so forth.
Yeah it was quite a bit over kill 4- consequitive i was bored.[/quote]
Well I have enough to do .5mg EOD or .25mg ED of Adex, and if that’s not enough, I’ll have ample time to order more. My source has ridiculously fast shipping too from international. Took 5 business days for them to ship my last order.
So I guess I’ll do the .25mg ED or .5mg EOD I guess. Thanks for the help.
yepper