This is gonna be my first cycle and I’ve been doing some pretty hardcore research for the last year or so debating on what to run, and how to do it. Deriving different opinions from every book that spans from here to China and back, here’s what i came up with:
Weeks 1-10
500 mg Test Enanthate (Monday morning/Thurs night-please give opinions on inj. times and such)
Weeks 1-4
50 mg Dianabol split up evenly throughout the day (quicker Test gains/added mass)
Weeks 1-10 (IF I CAN GET IT)
50 mg Proviron ED (Anti E effects/added fat loss)
Weeks 10-14
Nolvadex (The typical 40 40 20 20)
So, a few things:
-I’m 21, been lifting since i was around 14 (football/dynamic effort type stuff), and more recently moved into a bodybuilding focus. I’m at around 10-12% BF but I’m honestly not 100% sure about that number because i haven’t actually calculated it (sorry). You can make you’re own judgement off my picture.
-My goal is to drop to around 6-8% BF and still gain some weight which i know shouldn’t be TOO difficult. I plan on doing consistent cardio and I’ve recently adopted the paleo diet thanks to a cousin of mine. I’m actually using “The Paleo Diet For Athlete’s” as a basis for my dieting. So, as far as diet and training is concerned, I’d like to say I’m well off.
-My questions:
How does the cycle look in general? Any suggestions?
The proviron says (IF I CAN GET IT) because I’m not sure if my source can get it or not due to his supplier being out of it at this point. Should i wait? Is it worth taking? Too risky to be taking 2 orals? Dumb to have a mass gaining oral and an oral that (kind of) aids in fat loss? Opinions welcome!
Needle size? What’s everybody’s personal fav? I’m thinking 23G 1"?
Well, although I’m sure I’m forgetting something, I’m gonna post this anyway!
Thanks all,
VF
I’m not sure that proviron has all the estrogen lowering effects you are ascribing to it. It is good for freeing up Free T and increasing libido, but I’m not so sure about its use to combat estrogen.
For needle, use a 30 gauge insulin pin if you can (not sure if they make them big enough for 250 mg injections). I use them for my TRT and they are excellent for that purpose.
Your cycle looks pretty simple overall (which is good for a first timer IMO).
The only reason i don’t have an AI is because i didnt think it was necessary with such a low (500mg) dose. From what i’ve read, its a split decision. I’ll have the Nolva on hand if things take a turn for the worse.
I’ve never heard of slin pins being used for anything other than gh and insulin (obviously), but ill look into that. I don’t think they make them big enough, especially for oil based comps
Maybe it’s a typo but start your PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. From your example it’s seems you’ll start it right away.
The proviron will counter the estrogen sides well enough and should you have issues you can use the Nolva. Proviron is not very harsh on the liver since it’s not c17-alpha alkylated. I’ve taken Proviron once during the last 6 weeks of a cycle. It does make you lose some of the water retention.
I always keep Adex on hand though, so water retention is at a minimal.
I use 0,8x40mm needles (sorry european) for glutes and quads. For the quads I only inject slightly over an inch. For glutes all the way in.
Dropping 5% bodyfat while GAINING size is not easy regardless of diet, training and drugs. Especially if you are in decent condition to begin with. The reality here is that your goals are likely not attainable over the time period you have, and the stack you propose. You should take a longer look at what you’re proposing and adjust either your cycle, or your expectations.
I guess i shouldn’t have said it was that drastic of a drop. I’m not expecting that at all. Like i said, i don’t know my exact percentage but i think it’s around 8 to be honest because single digits warrant abs, correct? And i appreciate the advice, regardless juice20jd.
And @ patrick4588, that was my plan to begin with! good to know i was on the right track!
An AI is only a 50/50 choice until you get gyno, water retention, skin problems, mood swings; then you’ll wish it was a 100% ‘choice’.
50mg of dbol per day is overkill for a first cycle. By a lot. Stick with 30mg. Unless you like the approach of using as much as possible from the outset, then you may as well dump in 2g of test along with it.
[quote]veraforza17 wrote:
I don’t think they make them big enough, especially for oil based comps[/quote]
Wrong. 29g is plenty big enough. I wont go into the physics and mechanics of how fluids flow through a cylinder, but trust us, they work. [/quote]
This…and I was talking about the barrel being able to hold the volume of liquid…I am 100% positive that whatever amount of oil you put in the barrel can be injected…
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Proviron is a waste of money.
An AI is only a 50/50 choice until you get gyno, water retention, skin problems, mood swings; then you’ll wish it was a 100% ‘choice’.
50mg of dbol per day is overkill for a first cycle. By a lot. Stick with 30mg. Unless you like the approach of using as much as possible from the outset, then you may as well dump in 2g of test along with it. [/quote]
This…times 2.
Proviron is highly overrated. It might free up some test and give you a small libido boost, but other than that it is a waste. You’re better off running masteron in it’s place; get the libido boost,and actually get some muscle/strength building benefit from including another compound in your cycle. The “anti-e” properties of proviron don’t even really warrant much comment, as it is absolute shit compared to an AI.
25-30 mg dbol is plenty. Hell, I never go over 30 mg. Anything higher isn’t worth it as the sides pile up and you don’t really get any addional benefit.
An AI is really a smart choice…you’re running test and dbol. Controlling estrogen has more benefits than just protecting your tits, both during and after your cycle.
So, just a quick update: I ended up not getting proviron or Adex, but my guy did have Letrozole. I’m gonna stick to that for my AI. Is that substantial enough? Should i run it the entire time? Maybe just towards the end to shave off some water? Or, should i only use it ICE?
Bump for some help on the dosage of my letro. Each tab is 2.5mg, what is a good dosage? I’ve heard a half E3D? I’ve even heard less. Any help is welcome