Some say “don’t live off protein shakes because the good whole food is more efective.” Can someone give me 1 SCIENTFIC FACT or REASON that whole food amino acid/protein would be any better than that of one from a liquid-with a higher BV no less. AND I DONT WANT TO HEAR THE WHOLE FOOD WILL TAKE MORE CALORIES TO DIGEST GIVE ME A REAL FRIGIN REASON-NOT AN OPINION!!! The fact is there is no documentated reason to support this ridiculius notion.
Why must you feel the need to scream? CAPS ARE MOST DEFINATLEY MY FORUM PET PEEVE…
I feel the need to scream at little pricks like you*
Three key words here: fiber, vitamins, minerals…
You can take multivits, but vitamins & minerals are usually absorbed better from real food. Besides, who can say for sure that you are getting absolutely everything you need from supplements, even if you pop pills like candy?
Good whole food has things like fiber and vitamins and minerals. More than your protein shake.
Next time you post, please do it at least two weeks after you’ve come down off your hallucenogenic rage.
I couldn’t tell you, but I’ve heard that before. I’d like to know myself.
Well, Ed, nobody’s forcing you to eat whole foods, so try not to act like we’re all at your house forcing chicken breast down your throat. Anyway…my reasons for only taking liquid whey post workout and no other times are from what i understand, whey digests so quickly that a higher percentage of it ends up as blood glucose. Another is that because, once again, it digests quicker so it doesn’t keep your nitrogen balance positive for as long as animal proteins. But my main reason is: Its just stupid to spend all that money on expensive whey, when whole food protein is cheaper, and you actually eat something instead of drinking 6 shakes a day.
Fiber, Fats
I usually don’t say these things, BUT HAVE YOUR PROTEIN SHAKE AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!!
I could explain to you why living of processed foods is generally not a good ideia but untill you ask nicelly I won’t.
Read this months newstand issue of Tesosterone. (Protein Insider-The Real Scoop)
HAHAHA @ char-dawg
Bottom line is there isn’t one single piece of scientific literature to support it but understand your protein shake should be complete. For example add some EFA and Fiber. As long as you have done this you are fine. I use 5 MRPS’s a day. They each have about 50g protein, 10g carbs 6 of which are fiber and 10g of fat in each 8 of which are EFA plus complete vitamins and minerals plus some other goodies thrown in. The only solid meal I eat is at dinner. I am 6’ 275lbs drug free with 10%bodyfat and a clean bill of health every year from my doctor including almost every possible blood test you can imagine. Also at that size my cholesterol is perfect and I have never had high blood pressure.
In addition to the reasons mentioned above (some of the most important of which are that there IS evidence that many if not all vitamins and minerals are absorbed better in food form rather than vitamin pill form…the debate exists, though not a study that I know of, is how this applies to shakes, because the vitamins in shakes are often the same form as in vitamin pills), there is also the simple notion that new nutrients are discovered quite often, and we still have no idea how important they are. Nutritional science changes by the minute…any assumptions made today will include at least SOME statements which will later be shown false or at least less likely. So, if your primary source of nutrition is a pre-formulated workout shake, and you have a very limited range of real foods, you’ll survive, no doubt, you may build a great physique, but you may also go years without certain critical micronutrients that exist in a variety of foods, some of which may not have even been discovered.
Just think about how much has been learned about essential fatty acids in the last decade...even the last half-decade. In 1980, if you (Ed) started screaming like a little bitch that there was no reason to eat fatty fish and a variety of oils, and we must 'give a real...reason-not an opinion" blah blah blah, the evidence would be shoddy and your ancestor asking the question would probably act like an ass, hopping about typing in all caps while blabbering about how we don't know anything. Even pure isolated cross-filtered (or whatever) whey, the super-protein of the mid 1990's, with its supposedly incredible BV, has disadvantages, mentioned adequately above.
Ergo, some 'opinions' might be based on the fact that there are few 'facts' in nutritional science, and many people would rather hedge their bets by at least eating some natural foods, rather than living their entire lives by whatever studies do or don't exist, and the assumptions made about said studies.
I have no problem with downing a few protein shakes a day (with added fiber, fats, etc.), but like Char and others said, the vitamins and minerals found in most whole foods are much more abundant than you will find in any protein shake.
Aside from that though, I can honestly say that one of the two major factors I can pinpoint for some of the gains I have made in the past year or so (nearly 70lbs of LBM at this point, and counting) has been a change to more reliance on whole foods as opposed to MRP's.
whoever said that all protein powders were bad, how about Grow? Anyways sometimes it’s just hard to get in all that protein from natural foods. Protein shakes are easy and who says that they are expensive, my Grow/casein blend costs $2.20, and i get 80grams protein out of it. I’d have to eat a lot of ground beef and chicken to get that, not to mention the costs of the meat and the cooking expenses. Also there are vitamins in protein shakes, and people usually take a multi vitamin and mineral every day. Why does everyone knock on whey, don’t you realize that sometimes it’s good to get a protein spike, like in the morning after the sleeping fast. Also in all the studies that talked about protein they said that the nitrogens levels fall after 2-3 hours, but if you are a t-man you try to eat so often so therefore whey isolate should not be a problem. also you intake some form of carbs or fat to help you in energizing the body which decreases the chances protein turning into glucose. laters pk
personally i feel like i get better gains the more whole food i eat. your post is immature to say the least. remember, (especially in bodybuilding) “there are no facts, only interpretations.”- Nietzsche
Like other people have said, we don’t have a clue about all the things that are found in real foods… things like vegetebles, etc. Phytochemicals, trace elements, enzymes. Hey, maybe we don’t get that stuff in our diet anyway, if all we eat is canned tuna. So it is all relative to what you call “whole food diet”. But I’m prett sure that you can’t take all of the beneficial nutrition in real food, and put it into a can or into a powder. Also, having trained with weights for quite a few years now, sometimes the last thing in the world I want to force down my gullet is ANOTHER “yummy” protein shake.
You wanna good reason? Gag reflex. After trying the original fat fast about 10 months ago, it took me about 9 months to finish off my tub of protein powder. Trust me, you want to keep the powder for when you can’t get something that tastes better. Anything!
I think he meant concerning protein and nothing else. comparing the protein in a shake to the protein in a whole food. i dont think the question had anything to do with fats or fiber. everybody, including ed, needs to get their panties unbunched…
He was just talking anout protein. THey are the same you could easily live off MRPS’s if you have fiber & EFA’s.