PROSTEROIDS BANNED? ALMOST!

Senate bill 2195 passed the Senate on 10/6! This bill reclassifies these Prohormones (PH) and Prosteroids (PS) as anabolic steroids and makes them controlled substances. The bill is currently being held at the desk in the House and being that the House has previously passed nearly identical Legislation.

The word is, the House members plan to vote and unanimously pass the bill on Friday. Once done, the bill will be on the presidents desk within 2 weeks to be signed and the ban would become effective 90 days after, though unlikely, the possibility of an emergency enactment exists (All PH and PS become illegal upon signature of the President).

After 90 days we will no longer have legal access to any prohormone or prosteroid products. The only legal option for hormonal support will be prescription, testosterone.

This is ludicrous I wrote my congressman 5 times yet IT DID NOTHING. I’m sick and tired of politicians making medical decisions. There is only one Doctor in Congress, the rest are businessman not scientists.

What’s next creatine or protein supplements?

This is what we get when we elect morons with the brain power of an ant. The power is in our hands, we choose whom to elect in office, WE ARE THE PEOPLE! Use those rites to elect fair and competent politicians instead of blabbering idiots like Bush. In other words get out and VOTE!!

BUMP. Im sick of the government getting involved in my personal issues.

Well it looks like it’s going to be gone by the beginning of next year, here’s the most recent update from usfa.biz:

Many steroid precursors will soon become controlled substances. The prohormone criminalization legislation (S. 2195) has now been passed by both the Senate and the House. The bill has been sent to the President for his signature within 10 days. The effective date of the bill will begin to run 90 days from the date the President signs the bill into law. For those of you who are especially interested in an exact date, it would be reasonable to say that the bill could be expected to take effect on or around January 10th - 15th. I will continue to keep you up to date. Thanks.

Why can’t they create a class of substances between freely available and criminal?

Are they mentally incompetent?

Consider it like alcohol. Keep it away from abuse for children, but dammit if an adult chooses to make an informed decision it is their right.

Whe does the fucking government think it has the right to act as a parent of the populace when the populace should have the freedom to decide whenever possible?

damn…better load up on MAG-10 while we still can.

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Why they do it? Well for one it makes them appear as do-gooders. Secondly it gives them more power over the people. I would also think the pharmacuetical companies may have a reason or two for great supplements to be banned.

All the more reason we need to have IRV(Instant Runoff Voting) so we can finally get a third party in power and put the Republocrats out of business.

I just love the selective drug legislation in this country:
“The leading causes of death in 2000 were tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths), poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%), and alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%).”
Source: Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, pp. 1238, 1241.
Sure, you buy cigarettes anywhere but not that bad nasty ephedra or those evil prohormones.
The lifestyle that myself and most of us on this board have chosen takes us out of the running for becoming one of those top three statistics. Why then does the government keep targeting us? What the hell is the real reason behind all of this?

While I feel people should have the right to choose what they do and don’t put into their bodies, it is the true hallmark of a t-man(and t-woman)to overcome any challenge. Sure prosteroids and prohormones can make gains more dramatic, but a lot can be accomplished naturally, too. It just takes a fair amount of patience while you find what works ideally for your own body. Now maybe you can’t reach truly freaky proportions on a natural regimen alone, but you can make damn impressive progress anyway. Keep on busting ass in the gym and refining your diet, and you’ll have an excellent physique even without the prosteroids and prohormones.

[quote]T-Bone81 wrote:
While I feel people should have the right to choose what they do and don’t put into their bodies, it is the true hallmark of a t-man(and t-woman)to overcome any challenge. Sure prosteroids and prohormones can make gains more dramatic, but a lot can be accomplished naturally, too. It just takes a fair amount of patience while you find what works ideally for your own body. Now maybe you can’t reach truly freaky proportions on a natural regimen alone, but you can make damn impressive progress anyway. Keep on busting ass in the gym and refining your diet, and you’ll have an excellent physique even without the prosteroids and prohormones. [/quote]

While that is true, the issue (for me, at least) is the governmental hand-holding and the slow but steady erosion of personal freedoms.

As was asked before, what will Big Bad Brother decide to take from us next?

T-Bone, I won’t argue people can achieve a lot with hard work, but the question asked above was a good one.

Why do they keep targeting people who are trying to be fit and healthy?

I’m guessing the answer was already given above as well. The pharmaceuticals place a lot of pressure on government and the FDA to protect their profits. This concept is actually written into the mandate of the FDA.

Regardless, the government is very often wrong, it should try to stay out of legislating what people consume or how people choose to achieve their goals.

I’ve got half a mind to start or participate in some grass-roots organize the populace and get the government off our backs group.

vroom:

I am curious, are there similar laws in Canada?

Zeb, Canada is worse… however, you are heading in our direction very quickly these days.

ZEB - what vroom says…

It scares me to think that the government is caving into pharmacutecal companies, but the idea does make sense. The more people who aren’t lifting or exercising regularly, the more people will need cholesterol lowering drugs and prozac. It is sickening that we are losing our freedom to use whatever supplements we want to.

Where the hell is Arnold?

I wouldn’t be surprised that down the road , pharm companies would want to control everything, make their own supplements, PH, vitamins, proteins, all the works so that they’d have extra cash to but multi million yachts, houses, etc. This country is becoming a shitty place to live…

If this bill comes into law what are the products sold here at T-Mag and made by Biotest that will become unavailable? Will Alpha Male become illegal under this or only stuff like Mag-10, etc?

Thanks!

vroom, maybe you can shed a little light on this for us yanks on why it’s just about totaly kosher to smoke pot anywhere one pleases in CA, but taking some ephedra or ph would land one in hot water! ain’t that a bit bass ackwards?!?! [my regae buddies told me about the scene up in toronto]

as far as the ph ban in the states, the FDA is such a hypocritical contradiction that it’s not even funny anymore. if the standard of living and healthcare wasn’t so top-notch, i would seriously consider jumping ship. i’m getting so weary of big drug companies running america, while those of us that know what true health is get fewer and fewer options… if gay marriage ever get’s legalized in michigan, i’ll have had enough of this bullshit “democracy”!!!

TopSirloin

To throw in my two cents, I believe this is part a systematic trend over the past fifty or hundred years here in the states, that take responsibility away from the people and individuals. If I have ringworm, e.g., to get effective medication, I have to get an RX. I know what I need (ketoconazole 200mg oral), I know the dosing protocols, but I don’t have an MD. The idea of an individual taking responsibility for himself implies an individual acting with authority. Think about the shitty jobs you had where you were responsible but had no authority–you were a glorified fall guy for minimum wage. I don’t mean to sound like Ayn Rand. To most CEOs and senators, we’re dollar signs in the accounting books and grunts to throw at the front lines.

Another thing that I see is that, ever since the sixties, government, and through it law enforcement, has totally freaked out over the freaks–i.e., anyone doing anything different from normal. Some RNC official, when questioned about what he thought about the arrest of bystanders–you better believe it happened–in NYC during their convention, said, “They’re all criminals anyway.” He meant the protesters, but he clearly didn’t give a shit about anyone else, or even so much as believe that the police could make an unfounded arrest. This attitude is more the rule among lawmakers than the exception, and extends to include pot heads, anarchists, and old anti-war veterans, as much as it does a two hundred eighty pound powerlifter. In a way, the culture wars reached an armistice–you can dress however you want and have as much sex as you want, as long as you keep in line everywhere else. Now everyone is free to pursue three-foot spiked mohawks and threesomes, so long as in everything else, you remain average, normal. Work hard so you can buy clothes to express your “individuality”: sounds like a control-mantra to me.

Ever since Nixon announced his war on drugs, because Vietnam wasn’t Nixon’s war, and Nixon, a true paranoid schizophrenic, needed his own war, stuff has gone crazy. We have ads telling us marijuana supports terrorism when most of it grows in corn fields in the midwest and tree patches in west virginia and one out of every two to three americans admits to using marijuana at least once. We know the terrorism line is a lie. But guess what: pro-hormones are a “drug,” you know, the drugs that kill firefighters and cops and schoolkids, the drugs that terrorists sell. And senators hate drugs. To them, your average steroid-drug-user is a homicidal serial rapist roaming the countryside.

Remember, finally, most CEOs and senators, liberal or conservative, don’t come from the trailer parks, or the city, or the farm, they come from episcopalian country club suburbs, north, south, east, and west. They didn’t go to public school, and the worst job they ever had was lifeguarding at the club pool and waxing dad’s yacht. They’re really not like us.

I personally do not know the best action. Keep in mind that, once in effect, this bill, despite our efforts, will make prohomones, which are safe, as illegal as heroin, which can ruin your next five years. I’m sorry for the length, but I’m writing between sets and it was something that needed to be said.