[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
Just aim for this:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
Not that my opinion is as credible as Prof X or CC, but just to let you know there are other opinions out there, I don’t think 405 lbs is a heavy shrug but going much heavier without really sacrificing ROM and/or form (using bounce, ect.) I don’t see many people (even big MFers with big traps) go much heavier.
It’s just not practical to load 16 plates onto a bar and shrug it.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I think it’s relatively easy to hit 405 shrugging for high reps, but I rarely see anyone shrugging much more than that.[/quote]
Sure, but you rarely see anyone who is huge with hellacious traps, too.
[/quote]
I have to agree. When I was training at a gym with a machine that load that much, I was going up to 6 plates a side for shrugs on their HS machine. I have done 405 on a barbell, but moved to HS machines after that because I feel it better.
But, it is also right that most people won’t ever go that heavy…so why be like most people?
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
Proff X, Im a newb. Been training for approximatively a month and gained about 15 pounds. Im about 175 right now and Im sure I can up my weight with more calories. My part time summer job manager keeps nagging at me about eating every 2 hours and with respect to him Im trying to cut it out.
Do you think their is anything wrong with eating perhaps 3 meals a day say breakfast, lunch, and dinner as whole meals and 4 meals with protein and pb shakes with maybe some oatmeal bars or something? I really want to hit 190 by the end of September. Do you think this approach is valid or are more solid meals going to be necessary?
[/quote]
What job do you have? Hell, kid, I have eaten in class and not had anyone say anything to me but that may be because I didn’t make a display of it. Then again, I was a lot bigger than you at the time. Someone your size does not NEED to eat every 2 hours or “six meals a day”. I eat that much because it is hard to get in all of those calories without me getting some food down abut every 3-4 hours.
In other words, there is nothing wrong with eating those three meals and then compensating when you get off work…but this is all assuming you actually have the genetics to gain that much weight and have most of it be muscle mass. Judging by what I see on this forum often, you will have to pardon me for being skeptical.
Eating all of the time is a lot easier when you look the part. I used to eat in meetings in the military all of the time and no one ever said anything. Why is your boss giving you a hard time? Are you being discreet at all?
I can down protein shakes in the bathroom and no one will ever know about it.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
For shrugs? Dude, that is very individual. The guys I used to train with when I was really first getting serious weighed about 225lbs at average height and we were shrugging at least 3 plates a side back then on a barbell.
There just aren’t guidelines like that. Everyone is different…but I will say that if huge fucking traps are your goal, being able to shrug 405 will probably follow it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
Proff X, Im a newb. Been training for approximatively a month and gained about 15 pounds. Im about 175 right now and Im sure I can up my weight with more calories. My part time summer job manager keeps nagging at me about eating every 2 hours and with respect to him Im trying to cut it out.
Do you think their is anything wrong with eating perhaps 3 meals a day say breakfast, lunch, and dinner as whole meals and 4 meals with protein and pb shakes with maybe some oatmeal bars or something? I really want to hit 190 by the end of September. Do you think this approach is valid or are more solid meals going to be necessary?
[/quote]
What job do you have? Hell, kid, I have eaten in class and not had anyone say anything to me but that may be because I didn’t make a display of it. Then again, I was a lot bigger than you at the time. Someone your size does not NEED to eat every 2 hours or “six meals a day”. I eat that much because it is hard to get in all of those calories without me getting some food down abut every 3-4 hours.
In other words, there is nothing wrong with eating those three meals and then compensating when you get off work…but this is all assuming you actually have the genetics to gain that much weight and have most of it be muscle mass. Judging by what I see on this forum often, you will have to pardon me for being skeptical.
Eating all of the time is a lot easier when you look the part. I used to eat in meetings in the military all of the time and no one ever said anything. Why is your boss giving you a hard time? Are you being discreet at all?
I can down protein shakes in the bathroom and no one will ever know about it.[/quote]
Also, just a tip (for Elite0423), for the shakes if it’s a problem you can just put it in a coffee cup. I used to go to the back of where I work to chug shakes (and did this all through high school) but now I just blend a protein shake in a coffee cup with a lid and people just think I’m having a cup of coffee (and with eggs and protein powder blended it actually looks like a vanilla coffee anyway).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
For shrugs? Dude, that is very individual. The guys I used to train with when I was really first getting serious weighed about 225lbs at average height and we were shrugging at least 3 plates a side back then on a barbell.
There just aren’t guidelines like that. Everyone is different…but I will say that if huge fucking traps are your goal, being able to shrug 405 will probably follow it.[/quote]
Yeah I fucking pwn 405, and 495 isn’t too bad. 585 is a bit much right now with a BB, but I’m getting there.
C_C just freaked me out a bit, lol.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
For shrugs? Dude, that is very individual. The guys I used to train with when I was really first getting serious weighed about 225lbs at average height and we were shrugging at least 3 plates a side back then on a barbell.
There just aren’t guidelines like that. Everyone is different…but I will say that if huge fucking traps are your goal, being able to shrug 405 will probably follow it.[/quote]
Yeah I fucking pwn 405, and 495 isn’t too bad. 585 is a bit much right now with a BB, but I’m getting there.
C_C just freaked me out a bit, lol.[/quote]
Do this or you’re a pussy Beans
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
Proff X, Im a newb. Been training for approximatively a month and gained about 15 pounds. Im about 175 right now and Im sure I can up my weight with more calories. My part time summer job manager keeps nagging at me about eating every 2 hours and with respect to him Im trying to cut it out.
Do you think their is anything wrong with eating perhaps 3 meals a day say breakfast, lunch, and dinner as whole meals and 4 meals with protein and pb shakes with maybe some oatmeal bars or something? I really want to hit 190 by the end of September. Do you think this approach is valid or are more solid meals going to be necessary?
[/quote]
What job do you have? Hell, kid, I have eaten in class and not had anyone say anything to me but that may be because I didn’t make a display of it. Then again, I was a lot bigger than you at the time. Someone your size does not NEED to eat every 2 hours or “six meals a day”. I eat that much because it is hard to get in all of those calories without me getting some food down abut every 3-4 hours.
In other words, there is nothing wrong with eating those three meals and then compensating when you get off work…but this is all assuming you actually have the genetics to gain that much weight and have most of it be muscle mass. Judging by what I see on this forum often, you will have to pardon me for being skeptical.
Eating all of the time is a lot easier when you look the part. I used to eat in meetings in the military all of the time and no one ever said anything. Why is your boss giving you a hard time? Are you being discreet at all?
I can down protein shakes in the bathroom and no one will ever know about it.[/quote]
I Work at Lowes. I dont really put it out their and I try to be as discreet about it as I can. At 175 I dont expect to be looked at like a bodybuilder obv. But the guy is somewhat of a hard ass. My qyestion was really just if I can drink shakes instead of eat solid food during work hours (provided the calories are the same) and expect similar results? I dont know if I have the genetics to gain that much but I think I do I have fairly round delts for a 175er and can bench 225 (something only a few people do at my gym so I think this is ok) and deadlift 335 after a month of training. Ill upload a pic tonight after I hit up legs. My father is around 215 fairly lean at 5’8" and doesnt work out if that means anything.
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
Proff X, Im a newb. Been training for approximatively a month and gained about 15 pounds. Im about 175 right now and Im sure I can up my weight with more calories. My part time summer job manager keeps nagging at me about eating every 2 hours and with respect to him Im trying to cut it out.
Do you think their is anything wrong with eating perhaps 3 meals a day say breakfast, lunch, and dinner as whole meals and 4 meals with protein and pb shakes with maybe some oatmeal bars or something? I really want to hit 190 by the end of September. Do you think this approach is valid or are more solid meals going to be necessary?
[/quote]
What job do you have? Hell, kid, I have eaten in class and not had anyone say anything to me but that may be because I didn’t make a display of it. Then again, I was a lot bigger than you at the time. Someone your size does not NEED to eat every 2 hours or “six meals a day”. I eat that much because it is hard to get in all of those calories without me getting some food down abut every 3-4 hours.
In other words, there is nothing wrong with eating those three meals and then compensating when you get off work…but this is all assuming you actually have the genetics to gain that much weight and have most of it be muscle mass. Judging by what I see on this forum often, you will have to pardon me for being skeptical.
Eating all of the time is a lot easier when you look the part. I used to eat in meetings in the military all of the time and no one ever said anything. Why is your boss giving you a hard time? Are you being discreet at all?
I can down protein shakes in the bathroom and no one will ever know about it.[/quote]
I Work at Lowes. I dont really put it out their and I try to be as discreet about it as I can. At 175 I dont expect to be looked at like a bodybuilder obv. But the guy is somewhat of a hard ass. My qyestion was really just if I can drink shakes instead of eat solid food during work hours (provided the calories are the same) and expect similar results? I dont know if I have the genetics to gain that much but I think I do I have fairly round delts for a 175er and can bench 225 (something only a few people do at my gym so I think this is ok) and deadlift 335 after a month of training. Ill upload a pic tonight after I hit up legs. My father is around 215 fairly lean at 5’8" and doesnt work out if that means anything. [/quote]
Yes, protein shakes in a crunch work fine. That is what I do at work all day long. In fact, I am sure that is what most people do because there is no offensive tuna fish smell and you can drink it quickly without anyone even knowing. I usually eat one solid meal while at work but the rest of my intake is in liquid form until I get home.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
Proff X, Im a newb. Been training for approximatively a month and gained about 15 pounds. Im about 175 right now and Im sure I can up my weight with more calories. My part time summer job manager keeps nagging at me about eating every 2 hours and with respect to him Im trying to cut it out.
Do you think their is anything wrong with eating perhaps 3 meals a day say breakfast, lunch, and dinner as whole meals and 4 meals with protein and pb shakes with maybe some oatmeal bars or something? I really want to hit 190 by the end of September. Do you think this approach is valid or are more solid meals going to be necessary?
[/quote]
What job do you have? Hell, kid, I have eaten in class and not had anyone say anything to me but that may be because I didn’t make a display of it. Then again, I was a lot bigger than you at the time. Someone your size does not NEED to eat every 2 hours or “six meals a day”. I eat that much because it is hard to get in all of those calories without me getting some food down abut every 3-4 hours.
In other words, there is nothing wrong with eating those three meals and then compensating when you get off work…but this is all assuming you actually have the genetics to gain that much weight and have most of it be muscle mass. Judging by what I see on this forum often, you will have to pardon me for being skeptical.
Eating all of the time is a lot easier when you look the part. I used to eat in meetings in the military all of the time and no one ever said anything. Why is your boss giving you a hard time? Are you being discreet at all?
I can down protein shakes in the bathroom and no one will ever know about it.[/quote]
I Work at Lowes. I dont really put it out their and I try to be as discreet about it as I can. At 175 I dont expect to be looked at like a bodybuilder obv. But the guy is somewhat of a hard ass. My qyestion was really just if I can drink shakes instead of eat solid food during work hours (provided the calories are the same) and expect similar results? I dont know if I have the genetics to gain that much but I think I do I have fairly round delts for a 175er and can bench 225 (something only a few people do at my gym so I think this is ok) and deadlift 335 after a month of training. Ill upload a pic tonight after I hit up legs. My father is around 215 fairly lean at 5’8" and doesnt work out if that means anything. [/quote]
Yes, protein shakes in a crunch work fine. That is what I do at work all day long. In fact, I am sure that is what most people do because there is no offensive tuna fish smell and you can drink it quickly without anyone even knowing. I usually eat one solid meal while at work but the rest of my intake is in liquid form until I get home.[/quote]
Thanks for the help, I appreciate. BTW you are looking like a straight up tank in that avatar !
good work man.
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
Proff X, Im a newb. Been training for approximatively a month and gained about 15 pounds. Im about 175 right now and Im sure I can up my weight with more calories. My part time summer job manager keeps nagging at me about eating every 2 hours and with respect to him Im trying to cut it out.
Do you think their is anything wrong with eating perhaps 3 meals a day say breakfast, lunch, and dinner as whole meals and 4 meals with protein and pb shakes with maybe some oatmeal bars or something? I really want to hit 190 by the end of September. Do you think this approach is valid or are more solid meals going to be necessary?
[/quote]
What job do you have? Hell, kid, I have eaten in class and not had anyone say anything to me but that may be because I didn’t make a display of it. Then again, I was a lot bigger than you at the time. Someone your size does not NEED to eat every 2 hours or “six meals a day”. I eat that much because it is hard to get in all of those calories without me getting some food down abut every 3-4 hours.
In other words, there is nothing wrong with eating those three meals and then compensating when you get off work…but this is all assuming you actually have the genetics to gain that much weight and have most of it be muscle mass. Judging by what I see on this forum often, you will have to pardon me for being skeptical.
Eating all of the time is a lot easier when you look the part. I used to eat in meetings in the military all of the time and no one ever said anything. Why is your boss giving you a hard time? Are you being discreet at all?
I can down protein shakes in the bathroom and no one will ever know about it.[/quote]
I Work at Lowes. I dont really put it out their and I try to be as discreet about it as I can. At 175 I dont expect to be looked at like a bodybuilder obv. But the guy is somewhat of a hard ass. My qyestion was really just if I can drink shakes instead of eat solid food during work hours (provided the calories are the same) and expect similar results? I dont know if I have the genetics to gain that much but I think I do I have fairly round delts for a 175er and can bench 225 (something only a few people do at my gym so I think this is ok) and deadlift 335 after a month of training. Ill upload a pic tonight after I hit up legs. My father is around 215 fairly lean at 5’8" and doesnt work out if that means anything. [/quote]
Yes, protein shakes in a crunch work fine. That is what I do at work all day long. In fact, I am sure that is what most people do because there is no offensive tuna fish smell and you can drink it quickly without anyone even knowing. I usually eat one solid meal while at work but the rest of my intake is in liquid form until I get home.[/quote]
Thanks for the help, I appreciate. BTW you are looking like a straight up tank in that avatar !
good work man. [/quote]
I appreciate that. Work on making sure most of what you are gaining is muscle mass. If you gain ten pounds and your strength didn’t increase at all, it is likely much of that was just body fat.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
For shrugs? Dude, that is very individual. The guys I used to train with when I was really first getting serious weighed about 225lbs at average height and we were shrugging at least 3 plates a side back then on a barbell.
There just aren’t guidelines like that. Everyone is different…but I will say that if huge fucking traps are your goal, being able to shrug 405 will probably follow it.[/quote]
Yeah I fucking pwn 405, and 495 isn’t too bad. 585 is a bit much right now with a BB, but I’m getting there.
C_C just freaked me out a bit, lol.[/quote]
To give an example…
Jeremy Hoornstra weighs 242-250 and shrugs up to 1035 for sets of 5.
I think Matt Kroc can do 800 for 20 or so with straps ? You saw the strapless vid already.
No pressure.
Anyway, don’t want to hijack the thread anymore, but: Don’t wuss out on shrugs… And don’t train your traps 5 times a week either… They’re involved in everything, even curls (try curling with totally exhausted traps and see where your grip strength and arm strength went)… So hit them hard and then give them enough recovery time so you won’t suck on every other exercise that has you gripping something in your hands.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
For shrugs? Dude, that is very individual. The guys I used to train with when I was really first getting serious weighed about 225lbs at average height and we were shrugging at least 3 plates a side back then on a barbell.
There just aren’t guidelines like that. Everyone is different…but I will say that if huge fucking traps are your goal, being able to shrug 405 will probably follow it.[/quote]
Yeah I fucking pwn 405, and 495 isn’t too bad. 585 is a bit much right now with a BB, but I’m getting there.
C_C just freaked me out a bit, lol.[/quote]
To give an example…
Jeremy Hoornstra weighs 242-250 and shrugs up to 1035 for sets of 5.
I think Matt Kroc can do 800 for 20 or so with straps ? You saw the strapless vid already.
No pressure.
Anyway, don’t want to hijack the thread anymore, but: Don’t wuss out on shrugs… And don’t train your traps 5 times a week either… They’re involved in everything, even curls (try curling with totally exhausted traps and see where your grip strength and arm strength went)… So hit them hard and then give them enough recovery time so you won’t suck on every other exercise that has you gripping something in your hands.
[/quote]
I agree. Traps get huge from moving more weight than just about anyone else training them…because most people today are pussies in the gym (including most on this website apparently). It isn’t because of training them several times a week. That shoulder joint is one you do not want to play around with and even though I often train shoulders more than once a week, I also try to pay attention as to when to back off before any extreme joint swelling occurs.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
For shrugs? Dude, that is very individual. The guys I used to train with when I was really first getting serious weighed about 225lbs at average height and we were shrugging at least 3 plates a side back then on a barbell.
There just aren’t guidelines like that. Everyone is different…but I will say that if huge fucking traps are your goal, being able to shrug 405 will probably follow it.[/quote]
Yeah I fucking pwn 405, and 495 isn’t too bad. 585 is a bit much right now with a BB, but I’m getting there.
C_C just freaked me out a bit, lol.[/quote]
To give an example…
Jeremy Hoornstra weighs 242-250 and shrugs up to 1035 for sets of 5.
I think Matt Kroc can do 800 for 20 or so with straps ? You saw the strapless vid already.
No pressure.
[/quote]
Come on, man. This isn’t practical, even for the serious drug free bodybuilder.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
For shrugs? Dude, that is very individual. The guys I used to train with when I was really first getting serious weighed about 225lbs at average height and we were shrugging at least 3 plates a side back then on a barbell.
There just aren’t guidelines like that. Everyone is different…but I will say that if huge fucking traps are your goal, being able to shrug 405 will probably follow it.[/quote]
Yeah I fucking pwn 405, and 495 isn’t too bad. 585 is a bit much right now with a BB, but I’m getting there.
C_C just freaked me out a bit, lol.[/quote]
To give an example…
Jeremy Hoornstra weighs 242-250 and shrugs up to 1035 for sets of 5.
I think Matt Kroc can do 800 for 20 or so with straps ? You saw the strapless vid already.
No pressure.
[/quote]
Come on, man. This isn’t practical, even for the serious drug free bodybuilder.[/quote]
For the record, I wasn’t agreeing with the weights listed. I don’t use 1,000lbs and don’t know anyone else using that much either. If you need that much weight to build big traps, I would actually think you are at a disadvantage. That muscle group needs heavy weight…but it isn’t like you have to become a human pick up truck to make that happen.
Just to continue the hijack, I had a shrugging question that one of you might know the answer to.
When I shrug anything over 200 lbs, using full ROM, I get pinching feeling in my back, right above my right armpit. It varies from light (like someone tapped me with a finger) to fairly painful. I’ve messed around with grip width, stance, etc… and can’t seem to fix it.
Partial ROM (not going down fully) doesn’t cause this though.
I’ve never heard of anyone else getting this and have no clue what’s causing it. Anyone have any thoughts?
Since the discussion is about shrugs, do you prefer to do them “free” or in a smith machine or something similar. I personally like both options, but I’m only shrugging 115kg anyway.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
Proff X, Im a newb. Been training for approximatively a month and gained about 15 pounds. Im about 175 right now and Im sure I can up my weight with more calories. My part time summer job manager keeps nagging at me about eating every 2 hours and with respect to him Im trying to cut it out.
Do you think their is anything wrong with eating perhaps 3 meals a day say breakfast, lunch, and dinner as whole meals and 4 meals with protein and pb shakes with maybe some oatmeal bars or something? I really want to hit 190 by the end of September. Do you think this approach is valid or are more solid meals going to be necessary?
[/quote]
What job do you have? Hell, kid, I have eaten in class and not had anyone say anything to me but that may be because I didn’t make a display of it. Then again, I was a lot bigger than you at the time. Someone your size does not NEED to eat every 2 hours or “six meals a day”. I eat that much because it is hard to get in all of those calories without me getting some food down abut every 3-4 hours.
In other words, there is nothing wrong with eating those three meals and then compensating when you get off work…but this is all assuming you actually have the genetics to gain that much weight and have most of it be muscle mass. Judging by what I see on this forum often, you will have to pardon me for being skeptical.
Eating all of the time is a lot easier when you look the part. I used to eat in meetings in the military all of the time and no one ever said anything. Why is your boss giving you a hard time? Are you being discreet at all?
I can down protein shakes in the bathroom and no one will ever know about it.[/quote]
I Work at Lowes. I dont really put it out their and I try to be as discreet about it as I can. At 175 I dont expect to be looked at like a bodybuilder obv. But the guy is somewhat of a hard ass. My qyestion was really just if I can drink shakes instead of eat solid food during work hours (provided the calories are the same) and expect similar results? I dont know if I have the genetics to gain that much but I think I do I have fairly round delts for a 175er and can bench 225 (something only a few people do at my gym so I think this is ok) and deadlift 335 after a month of training. Ill upload a pic tonight after I hit up legs. My father is around 215 fairly lean at 5’8" and doesnt work out if that means anything. [/quote]
Yes, protein shakes in a crunch work fine. That is what I do at work all day long. In fact, I am sure that is what most people do because there is no offensive tuna fish smell and you can drink it quickly without anyone even knowing. I usually eat one solid meal while at work but the rest of my intake is in liquid form until I get home.[/quote]
Thanks for the help, I appreciate. BTW you are looking like a straight up tank in that avatar !
good work man. [/quote]
I appreciate that. Work on making sure most of what you are gaining is muscle mass. If you gain ten pounds and your strength didn’t increase at all, it is likely much of that was just body fat.[/quote]
I am getting stronger and Im already pretty lean (can see all my abs). I rather balloon up then diet down then be skinny for another year. I hate being skinny and would rather be a chubby muscular guy then a skinny fat 10% bodyfat momo. I appreciate the help anyways.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…
[/quote]
FML
Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.[/quote]
For shrugs? Dude, that is very individual. The guys I used to train with when I was really first getting serious weighed about 225lbs at average height and we were shrugging at least 3 plates a side back then on a barbell.
There just aren’t guidelines like that. Everyone is different…but I will say that if huge fucking traps are your goal, being able to shrug 405 will probably follow it.[/quote]
Yeah I fucking pwn 405, and 495 isn’t too bad. 585 is a bit much right now with a BB, but I’m getting there.
C_C just freaked me out a bit, lol.[/quote]
To give an example…
Jeremy Hoornstra weighs 242-250 and shrugs up to 1035 for sets of 5.
I think Matt Kroc can do 800 for 20 or so with straps ? You saw the strapless vid already.
No pressure.
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Come on, man. This isn’t practical, even for the serious drug free bodybuilder.[/quote]
For the record, I wasn’t agreeing with the weights listed. I don’t use 1,000lbs and don’t know anyone else using that much either. If you need that much weight to build big traps, I would actually think you are at a disadvantage. That muscle group needs heavy weight…but it isn’t like you have to become a human pick up truck to make that happen.[/quote]
I was just using those as examples, they’re obviously at the high end of shrugging strength.
However… Especially for natties who rarely seem to have much trap on them (I’ve heard the opinion expressed that you don’t need to work your traps much as a drug-free bodybuilder because users get big traps of their gear. I fail to see any logic in there, but yeah), if you just so decide that 6 plates a side is “not practical” to shrug… What do you do if your traps still aren’t much to look at? Try to get 500 reps at 405? I don’t hear people say “well, surely deadlifting 6 plates a side is not practical”…
Not sure if you were kidding here lanky (with you I never know, you sneaky little critter).
X is quite right about the 1035 guy being at sort of a disadvantage… Hoornstra certainly doesn’t look like you’d expect someone with a 675 lb (or more?) touch and go raw bench, 700+ raw squat etc to look. It’s just a genetic thing.
That kind of weight (1035) does place a huge strain on the entire body, plus most gyms don’t have bars which allow for that kind of loading (or enough plates haha) etc… But what can he do? He’s gifted in the strength department (upper body anyway), he’s got to work with what he has. Plus being able to work you way up to such huge amounts of weight is fun after all…
If you keep free BB shrugs in your exercise list throughout your training career (i.e. you don’t replace them… I wasn’t able to, I had no HS Shrug machine available for example), 585 for a bunch of reps should be entirely doable for any healthy male eventually (shit, many serious trainees here deadlift at least that much, it’s not like shrugs are a more difficult exercise) as long as he doesn’t decide to stay at 180 lbs of bodyweight…
Whether that kind of weight is needed or not is another story entirely and just depends on the individual. I’ve found that guys with narrow-ish traps which angle up sharply (levrone, Hoornstra) tend to become very strong on shrugs… And guys with wider-attaching traps (which sort of take away from shoulder width imo) don’t need that kind of weight to have big traps…
For those who want a very big raw bench etc though, I think super-heavy shrugs can help a great deal. The more mass you have all over your upper back the better.