Professor X: A Request

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you keep free BB shrugs in your exercise list throughout your training career (i.e. you don’t replace them… I wasn’t able to, I had no HS Shrug machine available for example), 585 for a bunch of reps should be entirely doable for any healthy male eventually (shit, many serious trainees here deadlift at least that much, it’s not like shrugs are a more difficult exercise) as long as he doesn’t decide to stay at 180 lbs of bodyweight…

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CC I’ve noticed you say something like this a few times before, about ___lb being doable by most healthy males. Could you give a few rough estimates for what you think is entirely doable for most healthy men assuming they don’t start when they’re 35+ and do go over 220lb or so.

Maybe for raw bench, squat, deadlift and anything else you feel like. Obviously there will be variation, but just out of curiosity.

924

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you keep free BB shrugs in your exercise list throughout your training career (i.e. you don’t replace them… I wasn’t able to, I had no HS Shrug machine available for example), 585 for a bunch of reps should be entirely doable for any healthy male eventually (shit, many serious trainees here deadlift at least that much, it’s not like shrugs are a more difficult exercise) as long as he doesn’t decide to stay at 180 lbs of bodyweight…

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CC I’ve noticed you say something like this a few times before, about ___lb being doable by most healthy males. Could you give a few rough estimates for what you think is entirely doable for most healthy men assuming they don’t start when they’re 35+ and do go over 220lb or so. Maybe for raw bench, squat, deadlift and anything else you feel like. Obviously there will be variation, but just out of curiosity. [/quote]

I don’t think we should keep cluttering up X’s thread here…

As for those estimates, those are for serious trainees who are also very serious in the kitchen etc… That leaves out a lot of the people in this forum.

925

I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements?

926

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements? [/quote]

I just trained triceps this morning. I went up to 70lbs for kickbacks. Trust me, once you start moving that kind of weight, it becomes a “BIG LIFT”. I do several sets of “pressdowns” or extensions as a warm up. The only reason I am not currently doing dips is because they got rid of the one machine I used for that for years at my gym…the HS dip. So, now I have to go buy a dip belt and I may do that today.

Aside from dips, kickbacks or maybe close grip presses, there simply aren’t that many movements for triceps other than some form of extension.

927

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements? [/quote]

I just trained triceps this morning. I went up to 70lbs for kickbacks. Trust me, once you start moving that kind of weight, it becomes a “BIG LIFT”. I do several sets of “pressdowns” or extensions as a warm up. The only reason I am not currently doing dips is because they got rid of the one machine I used for that for years at my gym…the HS dip. So, now I have to go buy a dip belt and I may do that today.

Aside from dips, kickbacks or maybe close grip presses, there simply aren’t that many movements for triceps other than some form of extension.[/quote]

70 lbs for kickbacks you freaking kidding me??

Wow, damn impressive.

I’m actually a fan of kickbacks. Its just about the only isolation exercise that doesn’t cause elbow problems. Screw what the “gurus” think.

928

That HS dip machine is PHENOMENAL. My old gym had one and my new gym only has the Life Fitness cable dip machine.

Just out of curiousity, how much weight were you throwing on there?

929

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements? [/quote]

I just trained triceps this morning. I went up to 70lbs for kickbacks. Trust me, once you start moving that kind of weight, it becomes a “BIG LIFT”. I do several sets of “pressdowns” or extensions as a warm up. The only reason I am not currently doing dips is because they got rid of the one machine I used for that for years at my gym…the HS dip. So, now I have to go buy a dip belt and I may do that today.

Aside from dips, kickbacks or maybe close grip presses, there simply aren’t that many movements for triceps other than some form of extension.[/quote]

Hey X, have you ever messed around with the reverse wide grip presses in the smith? Or the seated half press in this thread? Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness Just curious if they have done anything for you…

930

[quote]Professor X wrote:

This is why I believe most people just need a basic skeleton outline of sets and reps instead of this new trend to act as if the power is in the numbers.

It isn’t.

It’s somewhere in you if it is there at all.[/quote]

Spot on, thanks for your replies, all the best with your training X.

931

Thanks for the reply PX, and the rundown on your current Leg Day.

I’ll take what I can from your post. Thanks again.

932

I love the HS dip machine, do any of you have trouble stabilizing yourselves when the weight gets high? I do them without my chest resting on the padding, so maybe that’s my problem.

933

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
That HS dip machine is PHENOMENAL. My old gym had one and my new gym only has the Life Fitness cable dip machine.

Just out of curiousity, how much weight were you throwing on there?[/quote]

I had gotten up to 10 plates total for 8 reps when they got rid of it.

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[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements? [/quote]

I just trained triceps this morning. I went up to 70lbs for kickbacks. Trust me, once you start moving that kind of weight, it becomes a “BIG LIFT”. I do several sets of “pressdowns” or extensions as a warm up. The only reason I am not currently doing dips is because they got rid of the one machine I used for that for years at my gym…the HS dip. So, now I have to go buy a dip belt and I may do that today.

Aside from dips, kickbacks or maybe close grip presses, there simply aren’t that many movements for triceps other than some form of extension.[/quote]

Hey X, have you ever messed around with the reverse wide grip presses in the smith? Or the seated half press in this thread? Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness Just curious if they have done anything for you…
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I am not sure what a “reverse wide grip press” is. I don’t do “seated half presses” (by this, I assume you mean overhead extensions) because it hurts my elbow. I avoid all overhead movements because of this.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I love the HS dip machine, do any of you have trouble stabilizing yourselves when the weight gets high? I do them without my chest resting on the padding, so maybe that’s my problem.[/quote]

No, I don’t have trouble stabilizing myself. Some of them come with a seat belt attached. Maybe you should try that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements? [/quote]

I just trained triceps this morning. I went up to 70lbs for kickbacks. Trust me, once you start moving that kind of weight, it becomes a “BIG LIFT”. I do several sets of “pressdowns” or extensions as a warm up. The only reason I am not currently doing dips is because they got rid of the one machine I used for that for years at my gym…the HS dip. So, now I have to go buy a dip belt and I may do that today.

Aside from dips, kickbacks or maybe close grip presses, there simply aren’t that many movements for triceps other than some form of extension.[/quote]

Hey X, have you ever messed around with the reverse wide grip presses in the smith? Or the seated half press in this thread? Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness Just curious if they have done anything for you…
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I am not sure what a “reverse wide grip press” is. I don’t do “seated half presses” (by this, I assume you mean overhead extensions) because it hurts my elbow. I avoid all overhead movements because of this.[/quote]

nooo not an overhead extension, its like a partial overhead press in powerrack, just the top half of the movement lowering the bar to the top of your head apparently good for lateral head development

937

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements? [/quote]

I just trained triceps this morning. I went up to 70lbs for kickbacks. Trust me, once you start moving that kind of weight, it becomes a “BIG LIFT”. I do several sets of “pressdowns” or extensions as a warm up. The only reason I am not currently doing dips is because they got rid of the one machine I used for that for years at my gym…the HS dip. So, now I have to go buy a dip belt and I may do that today.

Aside from dips, kickbacks or maybe close grip presses, there simply aren’t that many movements for triceps other than some form of extension.[/quote]

Hey X, have you ever messed around with the reverse wide grip presses in the smith? Or the seated half press in this thread? http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/can_you_name_this_triceps_exercise_are_there_more_like_this Just curious if they have done anything for you…
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I am not sure what a “reverse wide grip press” is. I don’t do “seated half presses” (by this, I assume you mean overhead extensions) because it hurts my elbow. I avoid all overhead movements because of this.[/quote]

This is me doing a reverse wide grip bench in the smith. I’m still pretty weak on this but you can get an idea of the form. It looks funky but it hits your tris like nothing else.

Oh and if you’re wondering why I didn’t grind out another rep on this set it’s because I have three working sets and I save the grinders/partials for the final set.

Here’s MM from this site doing them also

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
That HS dip machine is PHENOMENAL. My old gym had one and my new gym only has the Life Fitness cable dip machine.

Just out of curiousity, how much weight were you throwing on there?[/quote]

I had gotten up to 10 plates total for 8 reps when they got rid of it.[/quote]

I’m at 6 plates right now for 6-8 reps. I’m coming for you X! :slight_smile:

Now, where’s that cheeseburger . . . .

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I wish my gym had a HS dip machine and a HS shrug machine. I remember using the shrug machine many years back, when i was first getting into bodybuilding, at a gym i no longer visit. If i only knew how to work things properly back then =(

All in all though, HS makes some quality stuff. if my gym had more, id actually use em.

940

[quote]trav123456 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements? [/quote]

I just trained triceps this morning. I went up to 70lbs for kickbacks. Trust me, once you start moving that kind of weight, it becomes a “BIG LIFT”. I do several sets of “pressdowns” or extensions as a warm up. The only reason I am not currently doing dips is because they got rid of the one machine I used for that for years at my gym…the HS dip. So, now I have to go buy a dip belt and I may do that today.

Aside from dips, kickbacks or maybe close grip presses, there simply aren’t that many movements for triceps other than some form of extension.[/quote]

Hey X, have you ever messed around with the reverse wide grip presses in the smith? Or the seated half press in this thread? http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/can_you_name_this_triceps_exercise_are_there_more_like_this Just curious if they have done anything for you…
[/quote]

I am not sure what a “reverse wide grip press” is. I don’t do “seated half presses” (by this, I assume you mean overhead extensions) because it hurts my elbow. I avoid all overhead movements because of this.[/quote]

This is me doing a reverse wide grip bench in the smith. I’m still pretty weak on this but you can get an idea of the form. It looks funky but it hits your tris like nothing else.

Oh and if you’re wondering why I didn’t grind out another rep on this set it’s because I have three working sets and I save the grinders/partials for the final set.

Here’s MM from this site doing them also

^This. that is what I’m talking about. Initially learned about this exercise from c_c or Sentoguy, can’t remember which one but it really hits the tris good.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements? [/quote]

I just trained triceps this morning. I went up to 70lbs for kickbacks. Trust me, once you start moving that kind of weight, it becomes a “BIG LIFT”. I do several sets of “pressdowns” or extensions as a warm up. The only reason I am not currently doing dips is because they got rid of the one machine I used for that for years at my gym…the HS dip. So, now I have to go buy a dip belt and I may do that today.

Aside from dips, kickbacks or maybe close grip presses, there simply aren’t that many movements for triceps other than some form of extension.[/quote]

Hey X, have you ever messed around with the reverse wide grip presses in the smith? Or the seated half press in this thread? Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness Just curious if they have done anything for you…
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I am not sure what a “reverse wide grip press” is. I don’t do “seated half presses” (by this, I assume you mean overhead extensions) because it hurts my elbow. I avoid all overhead movements because of this.[/quote]

Dude! Are you in Pigeon Forge, TN this weekend? I went into the Wal-Mart by the house today and there was a car in the parking lot with a vanity tag that read “Prof X”. I passed it walking into the store. Got my shit and checked out hoping that it would still be there to take a pic but it was gone…anyway, just wondering if it was you?

942

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
I’d like to discuss building up the triceps. Personally I find that I am a very chest-dominant presser, meaning that even close-grip benches and dips are almost entirely chest for me. This may be because I have long arms. This has led me to using mostly extensions to train triceps. It sucks, but it is what I have to life with.

I’ve noticed however that you, X, have quite a lot of extension based movements in your tricep workouts.

I hear a lot of people talking about ‘sticking to the big lifts’ and it gets me thinking about it. How possible is it to build large triceps from strictly extension-type movements? [/quote]

I just trained triceps this morning. I went up to 70lbs for kickbacks. Trust me, once you start moving that kind of weight, it becomes a “BIG LIFT”. I do several sets of “pressdowns” or extensions as a warm up. The only reason I am not currently doing dips is because they got rid of the one machine I used for that for years at my gym…the HS dip. So, now I have to go buy a dip belt and I may do that today.

Aside from dips, kickbacks or maybe close grip presses, there simply aren’t that many movements for triceps other than some form of extension.[/quote]

thanks for all the expert info prof. been doing heavy kickbacks for about a month now after the usual floor press and stuff and appreciate the results. i have always been the twig-arms-but-hates-isolation-exercises kind of sad guy. thanks to you i have come to my senses.