Professor X: A Request

[quote]BigBartDawg66 wrote:

[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
Hey Professor X,
I noticed you recommended for a tall guy to train 5 (or six, I forgot) days per week.
I have also read for tall guys to train each muscle twice per week.

With that said, (I am about 6’4") how do I set up a split that includes each muscle at least twice per week, without repeating a muscle on consecutive days? do you recommend chest and back on the same day?

I am trying to set up a good setup before the week begins monday (tomorrow). My workout schedule now probably is not that good

(anyone else can chime in too!)[/quote]

Legs (i do some shrugs on this day too)
Chest/Shoulder/Tri
Back/Bi

repeat X2

or

Legs
Chest/Back
Shoulder/Bi/Tri

repeat X2

or any other combo over a 3 day, repeated 2 times a week split[/quote]
I thought of this, but I don’t like the chest/shoulder/tri on option 1, and on the second one you posted, biceps are used in back then again the next day (same with shoulders and tris)
so basically I am trying to figure out a good split avoiding these two issues.
Any ideas guys?

Day 1: Legs, shoulders
Day 2: Back, biceps
Day 3: Chest, triceps
Day 4: Off
Day 5: Legs, shoulders
Day 6: Back, biceps
Day 7: Chest, triceps
Day 8: Off

[quote]CapnYousef wrote:
I swear I was just thinkin about how I’d wash my back if I ever got hyooge…[/quote]

Girlfriend.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]CapnYousef wrote:
I swear I was just thinkin about how I’d wash my back if I ever got hyooge…[/quote]

Girlfriend.
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A friend of mine has his girlfriend shave his calves and clip his toenails. I witnessed him (in the offseason) fall backward in a chair while trying to cross his legs.

[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
Hey Professor X,
I noticed you recommended for a tall guy to train 5 (or six, I forgot) days per week.
I have also read for tall guys to train each muscle twice per week.

With that said, (I am about 6’4") how do I set up a split that includes each muscle at least twice per week, without repeating a muscle on consecutive days? do you recommend chest and back on the same day?

I am trying to set up a good setup before the week begins monday (tomorrow). My workout schedule now probably is not that good

(anyone else can chime in too!)[/quote]

What difference does simply being tall make in how you structure a program?

Also, if you wanted input from everyone, maybe you should make another thread on the subject.

Have you tried working each muscle group twice a week before? Do you recover fast enough to do this?

These are questions YOU should be asking yourself. How you set up a program has more to do wit the results you see and your goals than anything else.

Hey Prof- So i get home from the gym, and dont feel like making anything crazy. So i ended up pulling out my foreman grill, and cooking up 2 big, double patty burgers. I dedicate this meal to you.

PX:

I have read most of ‘your’ threads, and found that you while more accomplished and somewhat older than myself, have a similar issue, a rather large issue if you ask me…Bad knees…

I read that you can not train legs, weekly in cold weather. Same here. I also read that you train the Hack Squat ( machine or BB ? ), and this helps some.

I was wondering if you could elaborate on what you are doing to get your legs from big to bigger still with this joint issue.

I already have taken steps months, ago for myself, but I just wondered if you are doing anything that I could use myself, or if you have gleaned something from one of your comrades in iron with similar issues.

I just don’t want to be in a wheel chair before I am 35 is all, and I take BB’ing in the old-fashioned way ( become king of the behemoths ).

Belated thanks for all the great input and ‘necessary evil’ around these dim, lawless boards…keep fighting the good fight.

[quote]Antares wrote:
PX:

I have read most of ‘your’ threads, and found that you while more accomplished and somewhat older than myself, have a similar issue, a rather large issue if you ask me…Bad knees…

I read that you can not train legs, weekly in cold weather. Same here. I also read that you train the Hack Squat ( machine or BB ? ), and this helps some.

I was wondering if you could elaborate on what you are doing to get your legs from big to bigger still with this joint issue.

I already have taken steps months, ago for myself, but I just wondered if you are doing anything that I could use myself, or if you have gleaned something from one of your comrades in iron with similar issues.

I just don’t want to be in a wheel chair before I am 35 is all, and I take BB’ing in the old-fashioned way ( become king of the behemoths ).

Belated thanks for all the great input and ‘necessary evil’ around these dim, lawless boards…keep fighting the good fight.[/quote]

My knees kill me from about October/November until around March or April. I think they have gone up at least half an inch (they feel like it) just since April simply because I can now train them every week with no problem. They feel better now than they have in a very long time and I am not sure if it is because of the fish oils or my increased warm up time before I hit them.

As for now, I work the shit out of them while I can because I know I will have to back off to once every two-three weeks when late fall hits.

My usual routine for now is:
Calf raises (these are done everyday first in the workout)

Leg extensions (don’t ask about number of sets. I go strictly by feel now)
One legged leg presses (around 4 sets)

all of the previous is done with “moderate” intensity…which for me means that I am concentrating on FEELING the muscle being hit instead of really moving a shit load of weight.

The following is usually when the breaks get cut and I go all out.

Squat machine (going up to my heaviest set but sometimes starting with only 2 plates a side over SEVERAL sets that I don’t count in number…but if I had to estimate, it is about 6 sets or so).

Leg curls.

My legs are just now starting to get comments so I assume it is working.

As far as tips for knee pain:

-knee wraps can save your life

I don’t always use them, but I do use them when I feel any knee pain at all. I have a neoprene sleeve as well as one of the elastic bands that fit under the knee cap and I wear both at the same time

-warm up well

I never just jump into heavy sets anymore. This may be why I am still putting up big weight with no significant injury (knock on wood).

-if all else fails…anti-inflammatories.

I do not like taking pain medication on a regular basis. In fact, I advise against it…but I do take some ibuprofen on rough days during the winter because I wouldn’t be able to train legs otherwise.

Other than that, no pain no gain. I still go heavy. I still want some more size on my legs.

I hope some of that helped.


This is a picture of the squat machine I use. I actually feel this more in my quads than the regular barbell squats…which is why I don’t do them lately.

Profster,

Your “everyday calves” routine seems to be working for you in terms of getting some response out of a reluctant muscle group.

I feel that way about my traps. I’ve been hitting them 3 times per week now (a day between them)

  • Back day with a “trap bar” after rack pulls (heavy 12-8 reps many sets)
  • Shoulder day with barbell (30-15 reps, several sets)
  • Biceps day (1 arm db shrugs, minimum 120# db, 20-30 reps)

This has only been about a month or so, so I’m not surprised not seeing noticeable growth (yet), but, in your opinion, would more frequency be too much. I guess I’m asking if you’ve ever talked to people about ‘problem traps’ and what they’ve done. You don’t seem to have much of a traps issue.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Profster,

Your “everyday calves” routine seems to be working for you in terms of getting some response out of a reluctant muscle group.

I feel that way about my traps. I’ve been hitting them 3 times per week now (a day between them)

  • Back day with a “trap bar” after rack pulls (heavy 12-8 reps many sets)
  • Shoulder day with barbell (30-15 reps, several sets)
  • Biceps day (1 arm db shrugs, minimum 120# db, 20-30 reps)

This has only been about a month or so, so I’m not surprised not seeing noticeable growth (yet), but, in your opinion, would more frequency be too much. I guess I’m asking if you’ve ever talked to people about ‘problem traps’ and what they’ve done. You don’t seem to have much of a traps issue.
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I actually don’t know anyone personally who has had a “trap issue”…because that muscle group usually grows pretty while even from indirect stress…which leads me to believe you may be training them with the wrong movements.

You wrote “dumbbell shrugs”…in my opinion, the best route is with a barbell nor an Hammer Strength shrug machine. Your grip will give out using a dumbbell long before your traps will…and I seriously doubt 120lbs is the most you can shrug.

You may simply not be lifting enough weight or doing the most effective movement.

Leg shot from tonight. I used to have really skinny legs in high school.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Profster,

Your “everyday calves” routine seems to be working for you in terms of getting some response out of a reluctant muscle group.

I feel that way about my traps. I’ve been hitting them 3 times per week now (a day between them)

  • Back day with a “trap bar” after rack pulls (heavy 12-8 reps many sets)
  • Shoulder day with barbell (30-15 reps, several sets)
  • Biceps day (1 arm db shrugs, minimum 120# db, 20-30 reps)

This has only been about a month or so, so I’m not surprised not seeing noticeable growth (yet), but, in your opinion, would more frequency be too much. I guess I’m asking if you’ve ever talked to people about ‘problem traps’ and what they’ve done. You don’t seem to have much of a traps issue.
[/quote]

From poliquin: "Grow Your Traps or be a Geek

The trapezius normally has a very rapid growth response, so much so that if you canâ??t grow traps, youâ??re truly destined for geekhood. Iâ??d rank the power snatch as the top trap builder, then power cleans and the different forms of shrugs. Most people limit their range of motion though by using barbell shrugs. Itâ??s best to do them with a dumbbell one arm at a time so the trap can have a few inches more range. Do three weeks of that, then alternate it with an Olympic-style lift such as power cleans or power snatch."

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Profster,

Your “everyday calves” routine seems to be working for you in terms of getting some response out of a reluctant muscle group.

I feel that way about my traps. I’ve been hitting them 3 times per week now (a day between them)

  • Back day with a “trap bar” after rack pulls (heavy 12-8 reps many sets)
  • Shoulder day with barbell (30-15 reps, several sets)
  • Biceps day (1 arm db shrugs, minimum 120# db, 20-30 reps)

This has only been about a month or so, so I’m not surprised not seeing noticeable growth (yet), but, in your opinion, would more frequency be too much. I guess I’m asking if you’ve ever talked to people about ‘problem traps’ and what they’ve done. You don’t seem to have much of a traps issue.
[/quote]

I actually don’t know anyone personally who has had a “trap issue”…because that muscle group usually grows pretty while even from indirect stress…which leads me to believe you may be training them with the wrong movements.

You wrote “dumbbell shrugs”…in my opinion, the best route is with a barbell nor an Hammer Strength shrug machine. Your grip will give out using a dumbbell long before your traps will…and I seriously doubt 120lbs is the most you can shrug.

You may simply not be lifting enough weight or doing the most effective movement.[/quote]

That’s fair, thanks for that. Yeah, I shrug the db’s for the sole purpose of hitting them another way from BB shrugs and trap bar shrugs, which I’m using in the 400+ lb range. The db shrugs might be useless. Perhaps another BB shrug day, perhaps working on technique (but I FEEL them!).

Maybe they’re growing in proportion to everything else, they’re just not standing out.

Thx again.

400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…

[/quote]

Wait, are you guys suggesting that in order to build the body, I might have to lift heavy-assed weights?

I’m on it.

I think it’s relatively easy to hit 405 shrugging for high reps, but I rarely see anyone shrugging much more than that. Seems like it’s too much on the shoulders to go much higher, if you ask me.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I think it’s relatively easy to hit 405 shrugging for high reps, but I rarely see anyone shrugging much more than that.[/quote]

Sure, but you rarely see anyone who is huge with hellacious traps, too.

Proff X, Im a newb. Been training for approximatively a month and gained about 15 pounds. Im about 175 right now and Im sure I can up my weight with more calories. My part time summer job manager keeps nagging at me about eating every 2 hours and with respect to him Im trying to cut it out.

Do you think their is anything wrong with eating perhaps 3 meals a day say breakfast, lunch, and dinner as whole meals and 4 meals with protein and pb shakes with maybe some oatmeal bars or something? I really want to hit 190 by the end of September. Do you think this approach is valid or are more solid meals going to be necessary?

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
400-500 lbs even for high reps on bb shrugs is real low for someone your weight, steely, that might just be the issue…

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FML

Can you (or X, sorry for the hijack) give us a relative range of numbers we should be hitting at particular body weights? Say… 245lbs and up.