Prof X, What Do You Eat?

[quote]WP wrote:
Anecdotal evidence has more value than quoting “studies” when it comes to bodybuilding. Take note:

Proffessor X and lewhitehurst are big. Fact
They eat plenty of steak. Fact
They don’t eat as much fruit and veg. Fact
Plenty of other bodybuilders eat the same way and are big. Fact

Smaller people quote studies more than larger people rather than proving points with their own progress. Fact
Smaller person in this thread endorses fruit and veg. Fact
Smaller person is smaller. Fact

It’s only sensible to listen to the bigger guys, or rather, get big using your “studies” so you actually have some degree of grounding before trying to argue against evidently successful people. But that won’t happen, will it?[/quote]

Reading comprehension fail.

No one is arguing with the big guys about how to build muscle.
No one is saying to eat fruit and vegetables instead of steak to build big muscles.

What is being argued is whether fruit and/or vegetables are necessary for general health. How does being bigger than someone make you more knowledgeable on this topic?

[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The other Rob wrote:
I’m guessing you take some form of multi-vitamin, X as it appears from your pictures that you don’t currently have scurvy. Maybe I missed it in this thread, but do you just take a basic multi-vitamin or do you get your essential nutrients elsewhere?[/quote]

Many multi-vitamins (especially the cheaper affordable ones) are likely mostly pissed out or poorly absorbed. I did like Men’s Health vitamins from GNC though. [/quote]

people say that but that doesn’t mean the vitamins aren’t helping, if you take cocaine you will find cocaine in your piss but that doesn’t mean you didn’t get high?[/quote]

Why do you think I am “vitamin deficient”?

Like written before, with the amounts of food I eat, I seriously doubt I am coming up short aside from maybe the really low calorie/carb days.

Why do some of the smallest people here think they need so many vitamins?

Just asking.

I think I have been fairly healthy at the age of 48 while eating a diet largely of meat,eggs and cheese for the last 30+ years. I think my diet as contributed to a fairly high test level for my age, normal BP without any meds, and staying lean without any kind of cardio.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

tenderizer
Garlic salt
Salt Grass steak seasoning
brown sugar
[/quote]

By tenderizer do you mean the hammer you bash the shit out of it with? Or is there some super spice I’m missing too?

Prof X

You should try marinating steaks - cuts back on the carcinogens that occurs whilst grilling. Plus, it makes the steak nice and juicy too.

[quote]worzel wrote:
Spinach contains carotenoids like zeaxanthin and beta-carotene, along with antioxidants like CoQ10 and glutathione, and the insulin modulator alpha lipoic acid, vits A, C & K to name but a FEW!
[/quote]

Gee, eggs contain zeaxanthin and lutein.

Beta-carotine is found in sweet potatoes…which is what I meant when I wrote that in the first response in this thread.

Are you saying I can’t get the vitamins you listed without spinach?

[quote]
But to suggest that these nutrients can be gotten from other sources, which I presume is anything other then fruit and veg, is just plain argumentative! [/quote]

Argumentative?

[quote]
You could pop a synthetic vitamin tablet and that ‘might’ take care of all your needs? Better still, find alternative and inventive ways of getting all your essential nutrients from some other sources (of course if you knew what you were doing, which most people don’t) and skip the obvious most convenient route of simply eating fruit & veg![/quote]

Uhm, yeah.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Phytochemicals helps to boost enzyme activity to increase the benefits of the various protective enzymes consumed within the diet.

Phytochemicals promote human health by strengthening the human immune system.

I would say those two things directly relate to “everyday health”. [/quote]

LOL. I wrote this earlier

[quote]

I said it is not an answer because it is some broad generalized term that seems to be overused by those who can’t explain how the hell this DIRECTLY relates to everyday health or is NEEDED by the human body. [/quote]

Did you notice the word “generalized”. Let’s talk SPECIFICS. What specific “PHYTONUTRIENT” affects what specific BODILY FUNCTION directly?

Again, we are not talking “8 glasses of water a day pseudoscience”. Let’s talk facts.

Get back at me.[/quote]

Phytochemicals are substances that plants naturally produce to protect themselves against viruses, bacteria, and fungi. There are over 900 phytochemicals found in foods, and one serving of a fruit or vegetable may have as many as 100 different phytochemicals. Many phytochemicals are antioxidants that impart bright colors to fruits and vegetables. Lutein makes corn yellow, lycopene makes tomatoes red, carotene makes carrots orange and anthocyanin makes blueberries blue, for example. Both the bright colors and the antioxidant activities are due to alternating single-bonded and double-bonded carbons. Phytochemicals including carotenoids, flavonoids, indoles, isoflavones, capsacin, and protease inhibitors.

Phytochemicals are sometimes referred to as phytonutrients and these terms are often used interchangeably. Phytochemicals exhibit diversified physiologic and pharmacologic effects. They have been found to inactivate cancer-causing substances, stimulate the immune system, protect the heart from disease, and help prevent cataracts. Phytochemicals promote human health by strengthening the human immune system and blood vessels, by fighting tumors, and through other activities. Many of these non-nutritive substances have potent biological activity and may help to lower risk for many chronic diseases. Soybeans contain a variety of phytochemicals and are the only food source with nutritionally significant amounts of one type of phytochemical called isoflavones.

Carotenoids - Carotenoids are natural fat-soluble pigments found in certain plants. Carotenoids may be classified as hydrocarbon carotenes or xanthophylls, which are oxygenated derivatives of carotenes. Representative examples of carotenes include β-carotene, alpha-carotene, and lycopene. Examples of xanthophylls include lutein, astaxanthin, canthaxanthin, zeaxanthin, and capsorubin. Lycopene, lutein, zeaxanthin, phytoene, phytofluene and beta-carotene belong to this family.Carotenoids are converted to vitamin A mainly in the intestine and liver. Many carotenoids are antioxidants that protect cells against free radicals by neutralizing them before they cause oxidative damage.

Chlorophyll - Chlorophyll is the green pigment which is responsible for the green colour in most plants. Chlorophyll absorbs most in the red and blue portions of the electromagnetic spectrum, thus its intense green color. There are several kinds of chlorophyll, the most important being chlorophyll a which makes up about 75 percent of the chlorophyll in green plants. Chlorophyll has anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, and wound-healing properties. Chlorophyll and chlorophyllin are able to form tight molecular complexes with certain chemicals known or suspected to cause cancer.

Dietary fiber - Dietary fiber is the component in food not broken down by native enzymes and secretions of the gastrointestinal tract but which may be metabolized by the bacteria in the lower gut. Dietary fiber is widely recognized an important part of the treatment and prevention of diabetes, colorectal cancer, gastrointestinal disorders, high cholesterol, heart disease and obesity. There are many types of soluble fiber supplements: beta-glucan, psyllium, methylcellulose, pectins, vegetable gums and polycarbophil. Soluble fiber is found in some fruits (particularly oranges, also apples and bananas), oats, legumes, (peas, soybeans, and other beans), other vegetables, such as broccoli and carrots, and psyllium seed.

Flavonoids - Flavonoids are natural polyphenolic molecules common to most flowering plants, they include flavonols, flavones, flavanones, isoflavones, catechins, anthocyanidins and chalcones. Although not considered vitamins, flavonoids have a number of nutritional functions have been described as biological response modifiers; most act as antioxidants, and some have anti-inflammatory properties. Quercetin is a flavonoid that serves as the backbone for many other flavonoids, including the citrus flavonoids rutin, quercitrin, and hesperidin.

Resveratrol - Resveratrol is a natural compound found in grapes, mulberries, peanuts, and other plants or food products, especially red wine. Resveratrol is a fat-soluble compound that occurs in a trans and a cis configuration. It functions as an antioxidant and thus could hamper free radical damage linked to cancer. Resveratrol has several activities that may account for its possible cardioprotective action. These include inhibition of the oxidation of low-density lipoprotein (LDL), inhibition of smooth muscle cell proliferation and inhibition of platelet aggregation.

Isoflavones - Isoflavones are a unique class of plant flavonoids that have a limited distribution in the plant kingdom and can be physically described as colorless, crystalline ketones. The most common and important dietary source of these isoflavones are soybeans. Soy isoflavones are phytoestrogens which are plant-derived nonsteroidal compounds that possess estrogen-like biological activity. Isoflavones acts as antioxidants to counteract damaging effects of free radicals in tissues. Isoflavones may reduce the risk of hormone-dependent cancers.

Ajoene - Ajoene is a chemical compound available from garlic (Allium sativum). It functions as an antioxidant, by inhibiting the release of superoxide. Ajoene also has antithrombotic (anti-clotting) properties, which helps prevent platelets in the blood from forming blood clots, potentially reducing the risk of heart disease and stroke in humans. Ajoene is also known to have effective broad-spectrum antimicrobial (antibacterial and antifungal) properties, helpful in preventing yeast infection (Candida albicans) and treating athlete’s foot (tinea pedis), for example. Ajoene has even been shown effective in inhibiting tumor cell growth by targeting the microtubule cytoskeleton of such cells.

Isothiocyanates - Isothiocyanates are sulfur-containing compounds which are largely responsible for the typical flavor of cruciferous vegetables. In animals and humans they are conjugated with glutathione. Isothiocyanates are responsible for the hotness of horseradish, radish and mustard. Isothiocyanates also stimulate enzymes that convert estrogen to a more benign form and may block steroid hormones that promote breast and prostate cancers.

Capsaicin - Capsaicin is an alkaloid irritating to the skin and mucous membranes, the pungent active principle in capsicum, used as the active ingredient in a cream as a counterirritant and topical analgesic. Capsaicin is the active component of chilli peppers (Capsicum). It is an irritant to mammalian epithelial cells and produces a burning sensation in the mouth, which some people enjoy. Plants produce the compound to deter predation. Capsaicin is used in topical ointments used to relieve the pain of peripheral neuropathy (for example post-herpetic neuralgia).

Saponins - Saponins are a group of plant constituents known as glycosides that have a distinctive foaming, soapy characteristic. As a glycoside, a saponin can have water-binding properties for skin. There is some evidence that saponins can have antimicrobial benefit for skin. Saponins are believed to be useful in the human diet for controlling cholesterol, but some (including those produced by the soapberry) are poisonous if swallowed and can cause urticaria (skin rash) in many people.

Phytosterols - Phytosterols are essentially plant fats that include beta-sitosterol and its glucoside beta-sitosterolin. Phytosterols are plant sterols structurally similar to cholesterol that act in the intestine to lower cholesterol absorption. Phytosterols are naturally occurring plant compounds that are chemically similar to cholesterol. Some phytosterols are not absorbed by the digestive tract and block the absorption of cholesterol into the bloodstream. Phytosterols are present in all fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. Phytosterols may play a pivotal role in the prevention and treatment of cancer.

Ok, there’s a bunch of specific examples that I wouldn’t call “psuedo-science”. And I said in my very first post on the matter that fruits and veggies WERE NOT necessary for building a muscular physique. I was just pointing out that I personally feel they are necessary for optimal health.

Any way, obviously I’m not worthy to be in this thread, so rather than hijack it further, I will leave the big boys to discuss how they got built.

Ciao…

[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I think I have been fairly healthy at the age of 48 while eating a diet largely of meat,eggs and cheese for the last 30+ years. I think my diet as contributed to a fairly high test level for my age, normal BP without any meds, and staying lean without any kind of cardio.[/quote]

UNpossible!!!

It is UNpossible that yet another bigger than “must eat spinach!” person does not sit around worried about fruit all day.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

tenderizer
Garlic salt
Salt Grass steak seasoning
brown sugar
[/quote]

By tenderizer do you mean the hammer you bash the shit out of it with? Or is there some super spice I’m missing too?[/quote]

Just unseasoned meat tenderizer.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

tenderizer
Garlic salt
Salt Grass steak seasoning
brown sugar
[/quote]

By tenderizer do you mean the hammer you bash the shit out of it with? Or is there some super spice I’m missing too?[/quote]

My guess is that it’s actually both. A nice tip for tenderizing steaks is to

Use a mallet and pound it to break up the tissues, score it (by lightly cutting the the steak’s surface diagonally, about 1 inch apart, making a diamond pattern on the steak, plus the sides to prevent the edges from curling), marinate it in the fridge for a few hours, or by using a rub on it before you cook the steak.

Quick Marinate

Olive Oil, Lemon juice, garlic and whatever herbs you like.

Wait, if you don’t eat fruits or veggies, how do you prevent scurvy?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I think I have been fairly healthy at the age of 48 while eating a diet largely of meat,eggs and cheese for the last 30+ years. I think my diet as contributed to a fairly high test level for my age, normal BP without any meds, and staying lean without any kind of cardio.[/quote]

UNpossible!!!

It is UNpossible that yet another bigger than “must eat spinach!” person does not sit around worried about fruit all day.[/quote]

I never said anyone “must” eat spinach. In fact, I said in my very first post that you could get big and muscular without fruits & vegetables for sure.

Anything I said about eating vegetables was geared towards overall health, not specifically the accumulation of LBM.

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Phytochemicals helps to boost enzyme activity to increase the benefits of the various protective enzymes consumed within the diet.

Phytochemicals promote human health by strengthening the human immune system.

I would say those two things directly relate to “everyday health”. [/quote]

LOL. I wrote this earlier

I thought you were in school for this? So you copy and paste and bow out?

I wanted to know what you really know. I just wanted to see how deep you took the class you are in. But go ahead, take that ball and run home.

Capsaicin is now a vital nutrient?

[quote]smithers584 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
what is in fruit that you think can NOT be gotten from other sources?

[/quote]

Deliciousness. Other than that, I agree. Veggies, on the other hand, dont get to make that arguement with me and I do source out nutrients elsewhere.[/quote]

I was going to go with tasty juicy flavor of an orange. And nothing goes better on waffles than strawberries. Lets see your meat and potatoes do that.

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I think I have been fairly healthy at the age of 48 while eating a diet largely of meat,eggs and cheese for the last 30+ years. I think my diet as contributed to a fairly high test level for my age, normal BP without any meds, and staying lean without any kind of cardio.[/quote]

UNpossible!!!

It is UNpossible that yet another bigger than “must eat spinach!” person does not sit around worried about fruit all day.[/quote]

I never said anyone “must” eat spinach. In fact, I said in my very first post that you could get big and muscular without fruits & vegetables for sure.

Anything I said about eating vegetables was geared towards overall health, not specifically the accumulation of LBM. [/quote]

My question to you and all others is why this is now being brought into this thread. I already wrote that I was, at my heaviest, drinking a gallon green tea…yet others rush into the thread to act as if they need to inform me of what “anti-oxidants” are or to tell me that apparently we all die if we don’t specifically eat spinach because they didn’t know eggs cantained some of those same “PHYTOCHEMICALS”.

I never said I was clueless…I never said I don’t eat vegetables. So why are people so ridiculous as to look at how I eat in an effort to BREAKDOWN my body as if this is all I eat when I even wrote that this is not how I eat everyday?

Dude - what - what the hell do you want me to tell you? What are we even arguing about?

I mean, I already said that you DO NOT need veggies or fruits to build big muscles. I totally agree with you that many vitamins and minerals can be gotten from a variety of other sources. You can get every vital nutrient from other foods and a good multivitamin or whole food extract. All I’m saying is that there are some compounds that are extremely beneficial for your health that can only be found in fruits and vegetables.

And if you really want to know what I know, then I’ll either write an original thesis on the subject for you, or you can call me on the fucking phone and we can discuss it in real time…

[quote]TheBigV wrote:
Wait, if you don’t eat fruits or veggies, how do you prevent scurvy?[/quote]

Are some of you experiencing some strange reading comprehension phenomenon?

Like I have written before, no matter what I write, all some of you see is “hamburger”.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I think I have been fairly healthy at the age of 48 while eating a diet largely of meat,eggs and cheese for the last 30+ years. I think my diet as contributed to a fairly high test level for my age, normal BP without any meds, and staying lean without any kind of cardio.[/quote]

UNpossible!!!

It is UNpossible that yet another bigger than “must eat spinach!” person does not sit around worried about fruit all day.[/quote]

I never said anyone “must” eat spinach. In fact, I said in my very first post that you could get big and muscular without fruits & vegetables for sure.

Anything I said about eating vegetables was geared towards overall health, not specifically the accumulation of LBM. [/quote]

My question to you and all others is why this is now being brought into this thread. I already wrote that I was, at my heaviest, drinking a gallon green tea…yet others rush into the thread to act as if they need to inform me of what “anti-oxidants” are or to tell me that apparently we all die if we don’t specifically eat spinach because they didn’t know eggs cantained some of those same “PHYTOCHEMICALS”.

I never said I was clueless…I never said I don’t eat vegetables. So why are people so ridiculous as to look at how I eat in an effort to BREAKDOWN my body as if this is all I eat when I even wrote that this is not how I eat everyday?[/quote]

Here’s a chance to show your humble side.

I simply asked if you eat fruits/veggies, figured not a lot seeing as you need a lot of calories. Instead of actually answering the question, you spouted off on a tangent. Perhaps your mind set needs to shift just a tad, and not turn everything into an argument. Doubt you will listen though

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]WP wrote:
Anecdotal evidence has more value than quoting “studies” when it comes to bodybuilding. Take note:

Proffessor X and lewhitehurst are big. Fact
They eat plenty of steak. Fact
They don’t eat as much fruit and veg. Fact
Plenty of other bodybuilders eat the same way and are big. Fact

Smaller people quote studies more than larger people rather than proving points with their own progress. Fact
Smaller person in this thread endorses fruit and veg. Fact
Smaller person is smaller. Fact

It’s only sensible to listen to the bigger guys, or rather, get big using your “studies” so you actually have some degree of grounding before trying to argue against evidently successful people. But that won’t happen, will it?[/quote]

Reading comprehension fail.

No one is arguing with the big guys about how to build muscle.
No one is saying to eat fruit and vegetables instead of steak to build big muscles.

What is being argued is whether fruit and/or vegetables are necessary for general health. How does being bigger than someone make you more knowledgeable on this topic?
[/quote]

Ah yeah, sorry. I forgot that the T-Nation Bodybuilding Training forum is all about general health. My bad.