Phytochemicals helps to boost enzyme activity to increase the benefits of the various protective enzymes consumed within the diet.
Phytochemicals promote human health by strengthening the human immune system.
I would say those two things directly relate to “everyday health”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I eat fiber throughout the day. [/quote]
I’m a huge fan of psyllium husk myself.
2 table spoons in my evening shake and I’m clean as a whistle.
Stuff is amazing, don’t even need TP 85% of the time.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]KyleT wrote:
This really big guy in my gym told me he eats low fat everything, usually no more than 20 fat grams per day. He’s very lean as well. I’ve seen him deadlift 605 and bench 385. I’ve been following his advice for the past few months. Would I get better gains by switching my diet to one similar to yalls? One where I ate lots of beef and fats? Caloric total being the same of course.[/quote]
You have to see what works for you. If you are growing and getting stronger, fine. But I do know, that the body needs fats to function optimally. All this low fat shit came about at about the same time Jim Fixx wrote “The Joy of Running” or whatever that damn book was and people started going away from what had worked for millions of years. I bet you the guy you are referring to still believes that myth of “fat makes you fat”. If you ask him why he eats the way he does, he probably cannot give you an explanation and given the nutritional propaganda that has been put out there I am guessing most people in your gym eat low fat but they are all small and weak, which probably means your buddy who is big and strong is just a freak.
And since we have no idea what you consider “big” without a visual frame of reference really means nothing. I may be jaded, but I really don’t consider someone of average height who is less than 240 all that big and at 240 a 605 deadlift for a single is good but not overly impressive and a 385 max bench is to be expected. [/quote]
Hell, less than expected. If I weighed 240 and couldn’t bench over 400lbs at this height, I would think something is wrong.
I do agree though, without pictures, many newbs or smaller guys will relate nearly everyone bigger than them as “BIG”. It makes it hard to tell how realistic their perception is.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The other Rob wrote:
I’m guessing you take some form of multi-vitamin, X as it appears from your pictures that you don’t currently have scurvy. Maybe I missed it in this thread, but do you just take a basic multi-vitamin or do you get your essential nutrients elsewhere?[/quote]
Many multi-vitamins (especially the cheaper affordable ones) are likely mostly pissed out or poorly absorbed. I did like Men’s Health vitamins from GNC though. [/quote]
people say that but that doesn’t mean the vitamins aren’t helping, if you take cocaine you will find cocaine in your piss but that doesn’t mean you didn’t get high?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Surely, no one is saying you can get all your vitamins/minerals from meat, potatoes, rice?
[/quote]
Who is only eating meat, potatoes and rice? I am DIETING which means my food intake is restricted during those specific times. My diet is usually nowhere near that restrictive.
Why the hell would someone on a low carb diet load up on fruit?[/quote]
You missed my point, and apparently took what I said literally.
BTW- veggies can be part of a VLCD btw
I liked the beginning of this thread before it became an argument over eating plants or not. I prefer a new york steak but it’s leaner… so i’ll switch it up and try some Ribeye soon.
After I cook the steak on high with butter or coconut oil I’ll then saute mushrooms and onions in the remaining steak juices. A good maranade is worschshire (I bet we all say that word differently) lime, lemon pepper and lawry’s.
Any other maranades?
I’ve been to a restraunt in OK that called the NY a Kansas City Cut? Pretty k0ol how we have all these different names for meat.
sorry, but the important question is… Kerley who is that chick
Anecdotal evidence has more value than quoting “studies” when it comes to bodybuilding. Take note:
Proffessor X and lewhitehurst are big. Fact
They eat plenty of steak. Fact
They don’t eat as much fruit and veg. Fact
Plenty of other bodybuilders eat the same way and are big. Fact
Smaller people quote studies more than larger people rather than proving points with their own progress. Fact
Smaller person in this thread endorses fruit and veg. Fact
Smaller person is smaller. Fact
It’s only sensible to listen to the bigger guys, or rather, get big using your “studies” so you actually have some degree of grounding before trying to argue against evidently successful people. But that won’t happen, will it?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I eat fiber throughout the day. [/quote]
I’m a huge fan of psyllium husk myself.
2 table spoons in my evening shake and I’m clean as a whistle.
Stuff is amazing, don’t even need TP 85% of the time. [/quote]
Mine’s just arrived, the bag reccomends 2 grams once a day, I’m guessing I should probably be taking a bit more than that?
[quote]The other Rob wrote:
I’m guessing you take some form of multi-vitamin, X as it appears from your pictures that you don’t currently have scurvy. Maybe I missed it in this thread, but do you just take a basic multi-vitamin or do you get your essential nutrients elsewhere?[/quote]
lol @ scurvy
I definitely agree that fruits and veggies are important because they do contain necessary vitamins and minerals.
However, in case no one have noticed, there aren’t that many cases of deficiency diseases in the US.
That’s because just about all foods are fortified nowadays… Hell i get vitamins from eating bread.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]KyleT wrote:
This really big guy in my gym told me he eats low fat everything, usually no more than 20 fat grams per day. He’s very lean as well. I’ve seen him deadlift 605 and bench 385. I’ve been following his advice for the past few months. Would I get better gains by switching my diet to one similar to yalls? One where I ate lots of beef and fats? Caloric total being the same of course.[/quote]
You have to see what works for you. If you are growing and getting stronger, fine. But I do know, that the body needs fats to function optimally. All this low fat shit came about at about the same time Jim Fixx wrote “The Joy of Running” or whatever that damn book was and people started going away from what had worked for millions of years. I bet you the guy you are referring to still believes that myth of “fat makes you fat”. If you ask him why he eats the way he does, he probably cannot give you an explanation and given the nutritional propaganda that has been put out there I am guessing most people in your gym eat low fat but they are all small and weak, which probably means your buddy who is big and strong is just a freak.
And since we have no idea what you consider “big” without a visual frame of reference really means nothing. I may be jaded, but I really don’t consider someone of average height who is less than 240 all that big and at 240 a 605 deadlift for a single is good but not overly impressive and a 385 max bench is to be expected. [/quote]
This. Hurt my feelings. LMAO!! I am at about 250, and I typically do reps on the bench with 315 and about 335 on the deadlift. I’ve never even considered trying to see if I can lift over 450. I was as happy as a fag with a bag of dicks when I finally discovered I could do 425 with ease some years ago!
After reading this thread, I had to stop and consider what a lot of you posted. I agree, as a protein source, steak is a very good option. My only problem is that in my current condition, I can only eat steak cooked up to medium. Can’t get that here in G-town. For starters, I don’t have a kitchen, and then most places here don’t cook to order. So, I go with my next fave meat: chicken. I eat it everyday, but after reading your posts, Prof and Lew, I could stand to take in a bit more. I am usually finicky about how much I eat as I am subject to the Army’s “tape test”. Since I am never going to weigh 185 lbs., I have to get my neck and abdomen measured to calculate my bodyfat. It’s a recipe for idiocy, obviously, but…these are the standards I have to live with for now. I tend to eat so that I have energy to make it through my workouts, but I despise feeling full. I’m now inclined to pull my head out of my ass and actually learn a bit more about my body and what foods I can take in that won’t hurt me. With that said, my goal physically is to be as strong as I can be, however, I don’t want to be too much bigger. If that makes ANY sense at all! I have noticed that I’m not as comfortable walking around at 275, as opposed to 240. It’s probably just in my head, though. Oh well. I’m done babbling for now.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
We are NOT discussing life extension theory crap right now.[/quote]
No, but that’s what’s being debated, since everyone who advocated vegatables first disclaimed it by saying they are unneccessary for building a great physique.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
no fruits or veggies? Or do you just not feel the importance of listing them?
I realize needing as many calories as you do, consuming tons of veggies would be difficult.[/quote]
You just threw “fruits and veggies” out there. Could you tell me what is IN the “fruits and veggies” that would make them necessary and irreplaceable?
There is usually broccoli in the rice if that makes everyone feel better.[/quote]
I’m not playing this game or falling for this trap. You know more about the human body than anyone else on Earth, you tell me what is in them. Have fun, though I know you won’t answer.
Why does everything have to be a riddle with you[/quote]
Because I like riddles?[/quote]
do you look good in green?[/quote]
I dont think they make spandex suites that big do they?
.greg.
[quote]The other Rob wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I eat fiber throughout the day. [/quote]
I’m a huge fan of psyllium husk myself.
2 table spoons in my evening shake and I’m clean as a whistle.
Stuff is amazing, don’t even need TP 85% of the time. [/quote]
Mine’s just arrived, the bag reccomends 2 grams once a day, I’m guessing I should probably be taking a bit more than that?[/quote]
Okay, first off, welcome to awesome.
I started with 1 heaping tablespoon, and worked my way up to two.
Now the first week or so is going to be “rough”. This is your insides celebrating, enjoy it. (You can take pictures of the amazing shit that is coming out of you, but no need to send them. I hear lanky likes them though.) After about 10-14 days you will normalize and it will be glorious.
Drink plenty of fluids, some people get stomach cramps from it. (Well my wife does.)
I would also avoid fibrous veggies until you figure out your body’s response to it. If I eat a salad, the next day is pretty much on the hopper as soon as food touches my lips. I should just eat my meals on the throne at that point.
[quote]WP wrote:
Anecdotal evidence has more value than quoting “studies” when it comes to bodybuilding. Take note:
Proffessor X and lewhitehurst are big. Fact
They eat plenty of steak. Fact
They don’t eat as much fruit and veg. Fact
Plenty of other bodybuilders eat the same way and are big. Fact
Smaller people quote studies more than larger people rather than proving points with their own progress. Fact
Smaller person in this thread endorses fruit and veg. Fact
Smaller person is smaller. Fact
It’s only sensible to listen to the bigger guys, or rather, get big using your “studies” so you actually have some degree of grounding before trying to argue against evidently successful people. But that won’t happen, will it?[/quote]
Yet another argument I hate on here sometimes. Yes, you should listen to those with a better physique, but what will it take to prove this point?
Perhaps CT stating veggies are good for health? Then all of a sudden BAM! it makes it true and now you can listen to the advice, or perhaps just use common sense. that’s just me though, I’m not over 200 lbs what do I know.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Phytochemicals helps to boost enzyme activity to increase the benefits of the various protective enzymes consumed within the diet.
Phytochemicals promote human health by strengthening the human immune system.
I would say those two things directly relate to “everyday health”. [/quote]
LOL. I wrote this earlier
[quote]
I said it is not an answer because it is some broad generalized term that seems to be overused by those who can’t explain how the hell this DIRECTLY relates to everyday health or is NEEDED by the human body. [/quote]
Did you notice the word “generalized”. Let’s talk SPECIFICS. What specific “PHYTONUTRIENT” affects what specific BODILY FUNCTION directly?
Again, we are not talking “8 glasses of water a day pseudoscience”. Let’s talk facts.
Get back at me.
Spinach contains carotenoids like zeaxanthin and beta-carotene, along with antioxidants like CoQ10 and glutathione, and the insulin modulator alpha lipoic acid, vits A, C & K to name but a FEW!
From the many carotenoids in the diet, the human retina selectively accumulates only two: zeaxanthin and lutein. Their concentration is so high in the macula, that the carotenoids are visible as a dark yellow spot called the macular pigment. Clearly a vital nutrient!
There is no point going on about the other nutrients contained in spinach (as a simple example) and the health benefits associated with it because anyone who has read the nutrition articles on this site or anywhere else for that matter should know better. In fact this discussion is hilarious!
So what if profx doesn’t eat veggies in huge quantities or even at all, that works for him! But to suggest that these nutrients can be gotten from other sources, which I presume is anything other then fruit and veg, is just plain argumentative!
You could pop a synthetic vitamin tablet and that ‘might’ take care of all your needs? Better still, find alternative and inventive ways of getting all your essential nutrients from some other sources (of course if you knew what you were doing, which most people don’t) and skip the obvious most convenient route of simply eating fruit & veg!
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
We are NOT discussing life extension theory crap right now.[/quote]
No, but that’s what’s being debated, since everyone who advocated vegatables first disclaimed it by saying they are unneccessary for building a great physique. [/quote]
Well then, they should start a new thread so the rest pf us can discuss how to get built.
And for the record, I never said I never eat vegetables.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
True - and fruits and vegetables contain lots of vitamins, minerals and phytochemicals, so I agree with JF about them being a necessary part of a balanced, healthy diet.
Now, as far as bodybuilding purposes go, then it doesn’t matter. If all you eat is meat and rice, you’ll certainly build big muscles, so when it comes to gaining LBM, who gives a fuck?
However, for overall health and wellness, I think fruits and vegetables are vitally important. [/quote]
x2. Well said.
[quote]Efuchs7 wrote:
I liked the beginning of this thread before it became an argument over eating plants or not. I prefer a new york steak but it’s leaner… so i’ll switch it up and try some Ribeye soon.
After I cook the steak on high with butter or coconut oil I’ll then saute mushrooms and onions in the remaining steak juices. A good maranade is worschshire (I bet we all say that word differently) lime, lemon pepper and lawry’s.
Any other maranades?
I’ve been to a restraunt in OK that called the NY a Kansas City Cut? Pretty k0ol how we have all these different names for meat.[/quote]
My usual routine is :
tenderizer
Garlic salt
Salt Grass steak seasoning
brown sugar
I then add a dash more garlic salt and steak seasoning while grilling. This usually has the room smelling like a steak house every time I thaw one of these out and microwave it.