Prof X, What Do You Eat?

I don’t eat veg/fruit regularly. I literally can’t remember the last time I ate a piece of fruit. I will say, that I agree with ones like lewhitehurst that nutrition can be over-rated often. I see no need to go overboard with usual recommendations if you simply want “normal” health.

I found it took about 3 years of eating crap, for it to properly catch up on you (e.g. feeling tired fatigued often, poor mood etc). So I can completely understand how those who go weeks without eating “healthy” can do it fine.

I think many times, those who are paranoid about nutrition, are paranoid because they eat really well most of the time and so when “bad” food is introduced to the body, the body over-reacts to this (makes them feel lethargic/bloated etc), therefore they develop a psychological fear of not eating “healthy” foods.

I always remember going to a local history museum (on a historic farm where there was still some ancient remains) and one thing I found impressive and stood out to me was the diet of the local Scottish farmers. Because they didn’t have the luxury of shops and they were poor, their diet was extremely basic: potatoes, grains, and some meat and milk. Then in the summer time, they would get the occasional fruit (mainly apples). It was very unlike the “exotic” and varied recommendations most nutritionists come up with. Contrary to what many people think about ancient civilisation, these people lived a healthy life up to over 100 years old!

I cannot Google this info anywhere, and I wish I wrote more details down about it…

What kind of toilet paper do you use as well?? I find that charmin is soft but leaves lint, angel soft is cool but it’s not as soft. What do you use???

Okay, all kidding aside… After reading that steaks may improve gains more quickly than chicken I may start eating steaks again. My first bulk I was eating a big ribeye every day and made great gains. Always figured that things were easier then cuz I was a newb, but maybe switching away from steaks had something to do with the slowing of my progress as well. Time to switch up the diet. Great tip.

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think it;s just a matter of the FDA/Mainstream Media, and what people have been fed since they were younger. Once you get to the point of actually understanding the effect that different food and nutrients have INSIDE your body (hormone levels etc), things shift into a much clearer picture. I’ve seen so many people drain the oil off of their natural peanut butter, thinking that they were being smart -lol.

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That’s what I was trying to get at by saying we are told we “need” a lot of things that don’t necessarily hold true.

Just a quick scan of this thread shows you, me and X are probably more developed than the guys arguing that we are wrong, yet they continue to wonder why they don’t progress.

I am beginning to remember exactly what prompted me to go on a hiatus from posting on this site.

Edit: And I commend X and Stu for being on here so long and being able to put up with the know-it-all “sheeple” that pop up in just about every thread where someone who has made more progress and has more experience tries to give a little insight. [/quote]

I eat a lot of fruit and veggies. Mainly because I like them though. Fruit is awesome, I keep a bag of oranges and apples in a drawer at work and eat 2-3 during work. I’d just rather eat fruit than something like rice.

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

That’s what I was trying to get at by saying we are told we “need” a lot of things that don’t necessarily hold true.

Just a quick scan of this thread shows you, me and X are probably more developed than the guys arguing that we are wrong, yet they continue to wonder why they don’t progress.

I am beginning to remember exactly what prompted me to go on a hiatus from posting on this site.

Edit: And I commend X and Stu for being on here so long and being able to put up with the know-it-all “sheeple” that pop up in just about every thread where someone who has made more progress and has more experience tries to give a little insight. [/quote]

As a know it all sheeple who is well on his way to a degree in nutritional biochem, I just want to point out that I’m actually not disagreeing with you at all.

I just personally feel that for other health reasons (meaning those not related to size or how muscular one is) I think fruits and veggies are important. Certain compounds you can’t get from other foods, as well as the overall acid/base balance your diet provides.

But yea - obviously you’re living proof that it’s not “needed” to build a great physique. : )

I got on steaks too after Prof X brought up the Seal-a-Meal in a T-Cell thread. I previously didn’t find eating them daily practical or affordable till I bought this machine. It helped me get my protein and calories up alot easier then eating chicken or pork.

I don’t know if it has anything to do with raising testosterone as a previous poster claimed (not even sure how you’d practically measure that), but I do know I can eat a 24 oz steak easier then 12 oz’s of chicken or even ground beef. So getting protein in calories is alot easier and tastier when you’re eating steaks as opposed to chicken or lean pork cuts. The 14oz steak I cook and freeze has over 100 grams of protein and is easy to eat.

A diet high in fats will optimize testosterone levels because fat provides cholesterol which is required to create testosterone.

This is a good article on that very subject sam - don’t know if you’ve seen this.

All you need are Fruits and Veggies.

Who wouldn’t want to look like this?

As a human guinea pig, I’ve often experimented on myself. Although I can’t state with 100% certainty that t-levels go up in direct proportion to sat.fat intake (I haven’t measured it) I can say that I’ve witnessed signs of it going up.

Example;

I’ve done weeks of nothing but the “good fats” (e.g. unheated oils etc), alternated with weeks of mostly sat.fats.

On the sat.fats weeks, I was more pumped, had a higher sex drive, mood was better, strength went up. Also, I noticed that muscle gains tend to come quicker.

I’m not condoning excessive imbalances here, just pointing out my personal findings.

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
A diet high in fats will optimize testosterone levels because fat provides cholesterol which is required to create testosterone.

This is a good article on that very subject sam - don’t know if you’ve seen this.

Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION [/quote]

Interesting. I’ll check that out.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
no fruits or veggies? Or do you just not feel the importance of listing them?

I realize needing as many calories as you do, consuming tons of veggies would be difficult.[/quote]

You just threw “fruits and veggies” out there. Could you tell me what is IN the “fruits and veggies” that would make them necessary and irreplaceable?

There is usually broccoli in the rice if that makes everyone feel better.[/quote]

I’m not playing this game or falling for this trap. You know more about the human body than anyone else on Earth, you tell me what is in them. Have fun, though I know you won’t answer.

Why does everything have to be a riddle with you

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
All you need are Fruits and Veggies.

Who wouldn’t want to look like this?[/quote]

Lol…certainly, that is not what anyone is saying…

some of you are ridiculous. I’m not talking about needing fruits/veggies to build muscle (though I think they play a role), but to sit here and say you don’t need them for optimal health? Really?
Yes, I realize this is a BB forum, I simply wanted to know if PX left out veggies or if he really doesn’t eat them.

BTW- I’m not a huge veggie fan, but you better believe I realize the importance of them for health.

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
A diet high in fats will optimize testosterone levels because fat provides cholesterol which is required to create testosterone.

This is a good article on that very subject sam - don’t know if you’ve seen this.

Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION [/quote]

Thank you for posting that link. I didn’t want to state that without providing something to back it up. If I remember correctly, testosterone is actually a form of cholesterol. But either way, cholesterol leads to testosterone.

nm…

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
no fruits or veggies? Or do you just not feel the importance of listing them?

I realize needing as many calories as you do, consuming tons of veggies would be difficult.[/quote]

You just threw “fruits and veggies” out there. Could you tell me what is IN the “fruits and veggies” that would make them necessary and irreplaceable?

There is usually broccoli in the rice if that makes everyone feel better.[/quote]

I’m not playing this game or falling for this trap. You know more about the human body than anyone else on Earth, you tell me what is in them. Have fun, though I know you won’t answer.

Why does everything have to be a riddle with you[/quote]

There isn’t any riddle. Obvious to me and probably most others that he doesn’t see them as a necessity and he is asking you what you think is in them that make them necessary.

People need to do research outside of what is spoon fed them by the government and other parties with an economic interest in getting you to think and do certain things.

I eat vegetables and fruits because I like them, but for me, they have not proven to be a necessity as far as my health is concerned. I have said it countless times before - everyone’s body is different.

From cholesterol to progestins, androgens and estrogens.

“The first committed step in steroid biosynthesis is the conversion of the 27-carbon skeleton of cholesterol to a C21-compound, pregnenolone (Fig. 2). This critical step, which is subject to hormonal control by the adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH) in the adrenals and by the luteinizing hormone (LH) in the gonads, is catalysed by a P-450 enzyme, the cholesterol side-chain cleavage enzyme P-450scc (also called 20,22-desmolase, or 20,22-lyase). Pregnenolone can be converted either to progesterone, which branches to the glucocorticoid and androgen/estrogen pathways, or to 17a-hydroxypregnenolone, which is another route for the formation of androgens and estrogens (Fig. 2, top-left part). Androgen formation in the adrenals is limited to dehydroepiandrosterone and androstenedione, whereas in the testes the presence of 17Ã?-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (17HSD) in Leydig cells (under the control of LH) ensures the formation of testosterone, the principal " male " hormone. Estrogen formation requires another P-450 enzyme, the aromatase complex (P-450Arom). The substrate is either androstenedione (for estrone) or testosterone (for estradiol). Estrone and estradiol are interconvertible through a reversible reaction involving another 17Ã?-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, as in the androstenedione-testosterone conversion. Aromatase activity is present in the ovary and the placenta (see below). In the ovary, aromatase activity and estrogen formation occur in granulosa cells and are controlled by the follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), whereas production of the androgenic substrates (testosterone, 4-androstenedione) requires LH stimulation of the theca cells (5).”

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
All you need are Fruits and Veggies.

Who wouldn’t want to look like this?[/quote]

Lol…certainly, that is not what anyone is saying… [/quote]

I know but its always good to difuse tension and who better than the juiceman.

Now, I rarely eat a lot of fruits and veggies but I do drink juice instead of soda. Does this count?

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
no fruits or veggies? Or do you just not feel the importance of listing them?

I realize needing as many calories as you do, consuming tons of veggies would be difficult.[/quote]

You just threw “fruits and veggies” out there. Could you tell me what is IN the “fruits and veggies” that would make them necessary and irreplaceable?

There is usually broccoli in the rice if that makes everyone feel better.[/quote]

I’m not playing this game or falling for this trap. You know more about the human body than anyone else on Earth, you tell me what is in them. Have fun, though I know you won’t answer.

Why does everything have to be a riddle with you[/quote]

Because I like riddles?

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
no fruits or veggies? Or do you just not feel the importance of listing them?

I realize needing as many calories as you do, consuming tons of veggies would be difficult.[/quote]

You just threw “fruits and veggies” out there. Could you tell me what is IN the “fruits and veggies” that would make them necessary and irreplaceable?

There is usually broccoli in the rice if that makes everyone feel better.[/quote]

I’m not playing this game or falling for this trap. You know more about the human body than anyone else on Earth, you tell me what is in them. Have fun, though I know you won’t answer.

Why does everything have to be a riddle with you[/quote]

There isn’t any riddle. Obvious to me and probably most others that he doesn’t see them as a necessity and he is asking you what you think is in them that make them necessary.

People need to do research outside of what is spoon fed them by the government and other parties with an economic interest in getting you to think and do certain things.

I eat vegetables and fruits because I like them, but for me, they have not proven to be a necessity as far as my health is concerned. I have said it countless times before - everyone’s body is different.
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EXACTLY. I wrote in the first thread that I eat fiber throughout the day. I am once again asking EVERYONE HERE WHO HAS AN ISSUE WITH THIS, what is in fruit that you think can NOT be gotten from other sources?

Please just answer the question, people.

…and for the record, “phytochemicals” is not an answer.

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
All you need are Fruits and Veggies.

Who wouldn’t want to look like this?[/quote]

Lol…certainly, that is not what anyone is saying… [/quote]

I know but its always good to difuse tension and who better than the juiceman.

Now, I rarely eat a lot of fruits and veggies but I do drink juice instead of soda. Does this count?
[/quote]

I will answer this as soon as people answer the previous question.