Prof X, What Do You Eat?

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[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]NealRaymond2 wrote:

[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]Scott M wrote:
I’m going to have some steak, broccoli, natural peanut butter, fish oil and a multi vita/mineral supp for my next meal…

Is everyone OK with that?[/quote]

You put peanut butter on steak? I’m not sure I’m okay with that actually.[/quote]

Something I learned from my grandfather: you can put whatever you want on whatever you want, as long as you eat it.[/quote]

Mayonnaise and jelly sandwiches. [/quote]

Fine, but if you make them you’d better eat them.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Scott M wrote:
Next meal is coming up fast and I’m thinking ground turkey w/taco seasoning, a little bit of potato w/apple cider vinegar and Old Bay seasoning and some fish oil caps… come on guys I need your approval quick![/quote]

DUDE!

I put vinegar on everything. It is good stuff, and if I’m craving it, I’ll just do a shot of it.

YOu know what else is good on steak? Ranch dressing. [/quote]

A shot of apple cider vinegar is so intense, moonshine ain’t got nothin on ACV![/quote]

^truth

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[quote]Rekkitanko wrote:

[quote]KyleT wrote:

[quote]Rekkitanko wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think it;s just a matter of the FDA/Mainstream Media, and what people have been fed since they were younger. Once you get to the point of actually understanding the effect that different food and nutrients have INSIDE your body (hormone levels etc), things shift into a much clearer picture. I’ve seen so many people drain the oil off of their natural peanut butter, thinking that they were being smart -lol.

S[/quote]

That’s what I was trying to get at by saying we are told we “need” a lot of things that don’t necessarily hold true.

Just a quick scan of this thread shows you, me and X are probably more developed than the guys arguing that we are wrong, yet they continue to wonder why they don’t progress.

I am beginning to remember exactly what prompted me to go on a hiatus from posting on this site.

Edit: And I commend X and Stu for being on here so long and being able to put up with the know-it-all “sheeple” that pop up in just about every thread where someone who has made more progress and has more experience tries to give a little insight. [/quote]

The reason most people are not as big as you has no relation with the amount of fruits and vegetables they eat. It simply relies on caloric intake and genetic predisposition. And what has the FDA got to do with anything, according to your position they are tricking us into eating apples and bananas.

What you may not realize is that with the amount of food you are eating, you are most probably covering all essential micronutrients. Trumping the need for fruits and vegetables, except maybe fibers.

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You’re right, training ethic has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

Mariusz Pudzian > Ben Johnson … Work ethic seemed to be a given, at least in my eyes. If one is not willing to put in the effort, clearly there is no point in expecting any kind of significant improvement.[/quote]

Ok I gotcha.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Phytochemicals promote human health by strengthening the human immune system.
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Phytochemicals strengthen the immune system and protect the body from damage.
All the people I know aroud me who switch from a diet low in veggies to one high in veggies saw their overall health improve dramatically. My wife and myself didn’t see a doctor for more than a decade. We rarely get sick and if we do it’s always pretty mild and of short duration.

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[quote]Chidey wrote:
Probably too late in the thread to mention, but what of Eskimo diets? (or at least their diets up until we started shipping cheerios north…)

http://discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-paradox

Surprising where you can end up finding ‘essential’ nutrients.

I’m certainly not advocating this as a bodybuilding type diet, but simply pointing out how adaptable the human body is to the environment it has to survive in and that meat does not only equal protein and fat.[/quote]

What paradox? If you eat unprocessed meat and fat, organ meats and some veggies (predigested vegetation from the animals’ paunches) you get healthy…if you eat crap like processed foods and cheap carbohydrates, Crisco, Tang, soda, cookies, chips, pizza, fries you get ill…

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[quote]rasturai wrote:

[quote]Antares wrote:

[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I think I have been fairly healthy at the age of 48 while eating a diet largely of meat,eggs and cheese for the last 30+ years. I think my diet as contributed to a fairly high test level for my age, normal BP without any meds, and staying lean without any kind of cardio.[/quote]

Let’s everyone ignore this man. He’s almost 50, and kicks your ass, but hell that doesn’t indicate shit does it now?
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This is the exact same argument you could use with “Oh I know a guy who drank, smoked everyday and lived till 90! He was fine!”

A different person may not have that same effect. “I know a person who never drank or smoked and died of lung cancer at age 40”

Whatever the arguement you want to make we are all not like bwhitwell…good for him though that it works for him.

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I only posted to let anyone who was interested that I have eaten a higher protein and fat diet for YEARS without any adverse effects. My 3 brothers who all eat the normal american diet are on BP and cholesterol meds so I don’t think it is JUST genetics. This is why I don’t post much, I am truly sorry for offending anyone.

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[quote]bwhitwell wrote:

[quote]rasturai wrote:

[quote]Antares wrote:

[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I think I have been fairly healthy at the age of 48 while eating a diet largely of meat,eggs and cheese for the last 30+ years. I think my diet as contributed to a fairly high test level for my age, normal BP without any meds, and staying lean without any kind of cardio.[/quote]

Let’s everyone ignore this man. He’s almost 50, and kicks your ass, but hell that doesn’t indicate shit does it now?
[/quote]

This is the exact same argument you could use with “Oh I know a guy who drank, smoked everyday and lived till 90! He was fine!”

A different person may not have that same effect. “I know a person who never drank or smoked and died of lung cancer at age 40”

Whatever the arguement you want to make we are all not like bwhitwell…good for him though that it works for him.

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I only posted to let anyone who was interested that I have eaten a higher protein and fat diet for YEARS without any adverse effects. My 3 brothers who all eat the normal american diet are on BP and cholesterol meds so I don’t think it is JUST genetics. This is why I don’t post much, I am truly sorry for offending anyone.[/quote]

I don’t post much myself (mostly because I don’t feel like I have anything worthwhile to add), but just for the record, in the few of your posts that I’ve seen there haven’t been anything remotely offensive. Most of them have actually seemed quite helpful. You seem to have a good bit of experience and you usually present it in a nice and tactful manner, you should post more often.

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[quote]bwhitwell wrote:

[quote]rasturai wrote:

[quote]Antares wrote:

[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I think I have been fairly healthy at the age of 48 while eating a diet largely of meat,eggs and cheese for the last 30+ years. I think my diet as contributed to a fairly high test level for my age, normal BP without any meds, and staying lean without any kind of cardio.[/quote]

Let’s everyone ignore this man. He’s almost 50, and kicks your ass, but hell that doesn’t indicate shit does it now?
[/quote]

This is the exact same argument you could use with “Oh I know a guy who drank, smoked everyday and lived till 90! He was fine!”

A different person may not have that same effect. “I know a person who never drank or smoked and died of lung cancer at age 40”

Whatever the arguement you want to make we are all not like bwhitwell…good for him though that it works for him.

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I only posted to let anyone who was interested that I have eaten a higher protein and fat diet for YEARS without any adverse effects. My 3 brothers who all eat the normal american diet are on BP and cholesterol meds so I don’t think it is JUST genetics. This is why I don’t post much, I am truly sorry for offending anyone.[/quote]

bw - I wish you’d post a lot more and a lot of other people would post a lot less.

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[quote]bwhitwell wrote:

I only posted to let anyone who was interested that I have eaten a higher protein and fat diet for YEARS without any adverse effects. My 3 brothers who all eat the normal american diet are on BP and cholesterol meds so I don’t think it is JUST genetics.

This is why I don’t post much, I am truly sorry for offending anyone.[/quote]

Sure it’s not only genetic, other stuff comes into play.

You don’t need to be sorry man.

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Just wanted to hop in here on the bwhitwell appreciation train - I love that guy.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Just wanted to hop in here on the bwhitwell appreciation train - I love that guy.[/quote]

x2

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Dear fruit eaters,

My post workout meal, that I’m eating right now, is a protein shake, double cheese burger, and an 8 piece chicken tender.

Sincerely,
Someone who wants to build muscle

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[quote]studgorilla wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]KyleT wrote:
This really big guy in my gym told me he eats low fat everything, usually no more than 20 fat grams per day. He’s very lean as well. I’ve seen him deadlift 605 and bench 385. I’ve been following his advice for the past few months. Would I get better gains by switching my diet to one similar to yalls? One where I ate lots of beef and fats? Caloric total being the same of course.[/quote]

You have to see what works for you. If you are growing and getting stronger, fine. But I do know, that the body needs fats to function optimally. All this low fat shit came about at about the same time Jim Fixx wrote “The Joy of Running” or whatever that damn book was and people started going away from what had worked for millions of years. I bet you the guy you are referring to still believes that myth of “fat makes you fat”. If you ask him why he eats the way he does, he probably cannot give you an explanation and given the nutritional propaganda that has been put out there I am guessing most people in your gym eat low fat but they are all small and weak, which probably means your buddy who is big and strong is just a freak.

And since we have no idea what you consider “big” without a visual frame of reference really means nothing. I may be jaded, but I really don’t consider someone of average height who is less than 240 all that big and at 240 a 605 deadlift for a single is good but not overly impressive and a 385 max bench is to be expected. [/quote]

Hell, less than expected. If I weighed 240 and couldn’t bench over 400lbs at this height, I would think something is wrong.

I do agree though, without pictures, many newbs or smaller guys will relate nearly everyone bigger than them as “BIG”. It makes it hard to tell how realistic their perception is.[/quote]

Damn, X! You’re killing me. I am about 240, at 6’2" and my all-time max bench is 420, and that was several years ago. I’m 47 years old now, and my max BP stays around 385. I still squat over 550 and deadlift over 600 weelky. I’m not saying that those numbers are great or anything, and I know they are not shit compared to truly STRONG individuals, but I certainly don’t think that something is “wrong with me”. I often run a sub 6-minute mile and workout with wrestlers and MMA practitioners consistenly. I always appreciate your no-bullshit answers and advice; but when you say that a sub 400lb. BP is an indication of something being wrong…I must disagree.
Sorry if this is a bit of a “hijack”.[/quote]

Well said, your numbers are great IMO. You just cannot generalize like that and speak for all ‘Lanky’ lifters and say anyone not benching 400lbs is doing something wrong (apart from picking the wrong parents!)

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[quote]Jereth127 wrote:

[quote]Simonidas wrote:
X, how is your cholesterol level in blood, after all those years?[/quote]

One of the few intelligent and relevent questions in this clusterfuck of a thread. I would also like to know the answer…?

Also Prof, did you ever have large quantities of milk in your diet at any time when mass gaining? Not saying you need it, just curious.,[/quote]

[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
I only posted to let anyone who was interested that I have eaten a higher protein and fat diet for YEARS without any adverse effects. My 3 brothers who all eat the normal american diet are on BP and cholesterol meds so I don’t think it is JUST genetics.[/quote]

hahaha, thanks for saying that… that’s what I expected, so NOW:

[quote]WP wrote:
Proffessor X and lewhitehurst are big. Fact
They eat plenty of steak. Fact
They don’t eat as much fruit and veg. Fact
Plenty of other bodybuilders eat the same way and are big. Fact[/quote]

They are healthy. Fact

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Now it should be OK…

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Jereth127 wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]Jereth127 wrote:

[quote]Simonidas wrote:
X, how is your cholesterol level in blood, after all those years?[/quote]

One of the few intelligent and relevent questions in this clusterfuck of a thread. I would also like to know the answer…?

Also Prof, did you ever have large quantities of milk in your diet at any time when mass gaining? Not saying you need it, just curious.,[/quote]

Why would he need to drink milk? What is so magical about milk that can’t be found in other foods, and don’t tell me because of the calcium or extra hormones in it.[/quote]

Because it’s liquid calories that are cheap and easily accessible…?
X said many times that he started to gain mass when he got to college and not many college students have the cash for 2/3 steaks a day and 8/9 eggs every morning.

Fucking crazy concept, right? What was I thinking…

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Pretty sure he said he did, and had issues with the lactose, but drank it anyway.

It is in the PX a request thread somewhere I believe, but don’t’ quote me it is from memory.[/quote]

Yes he did, but now he drink lower lactose milk only, I remember.

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hey prof x I didn’t read the entire thread since it derailed off track, but one thing stood out, you said that you eat according to a caloric need yet you don’t count the amount of calories you take in or your protein intake, I get why you wouldn’t count calories since the scale and mirror are big factors whether or not your gaining or losing weight but about the protein how exactly would you know intuitively whether or not your getting enough in, since building muscle comes from overall calories rather then an arbritrary amount of protein I’m guessing it would be kind of hard to measure progress.

Also when your maintaining your weight do you just eat whatever you want whenever your hungry, (I’m taking pizzas, burgers, wings etc.) like the foods you eat on your cheat days currently, do you eat them whenever?? Another thing you don’t strike me as a guy whos carb sensitive since you say you can stay lean without doing any sort of cardio which is in contrast to myself, what kind of advice would you give to guys who use to be fat growing and have slow metabolisms now?

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[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:
hey prof x I didn’t read the entire thread since it derailed off track, but one thing stood out, you said that you eat according to a caloric need yet you don’t count the amount of calories you take in or your protein intake, I get why you wouldn’t count calories since the scale and mirror are big factors whether or not your gaining or losing weight but about the protein how exactly would you know intuitively whether or not your getting enough in, since building muscle comes from overall calories rather then an arbritrary amount of protein I’m guessing it would be kind of hard to measure progress.

Also when your maintaining your weight do you just eat whatever you want whenever your hungry, (I’m taking pizzas, burgers, wings etc.) like the foods you eat on your cheat days currently, do you eat them whenever?? Another thing you don’t strike me as a guy whos carb sensitive since you say you can stay lean without doing any sort of cardio which is in contrast to myself, what kind of advice would you give to guys who use to be fat growing and have slow metabolisms now?[/quote]

Pretty sure he’s mentioned more than once that he currently gets beetween 300-450g of protein depending on current goals. “Not counting calories” means not seeing a need to weigh every single piece of food every day. It doesn’t mean piling food on a plate at random and hoping for the best. That’s my take on it at least.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:
hey prof x I didn’t read the entire thread since it derailed off track, but one thing stood out, you said that you eat according to a caloric need yet you don’t count the amount of calories you take in or your protein intake, I get why you wouldn’t count calories since the scale and mirror are big factors whether or not your gaining or losing weight but about the protein how exactly would you know intuitively whether or not your getting enough in, since building muscle comes from overall calories rather then an arbritrary amount of protein I’m guessing it would be kind of hard to measure progress.

Also when your maintaining your weight do you just eat whatever you want whenever your hungry, (I’m taking pizzas, burgers, wings etc.) like the foods you eat on your cheat days currently, do you eat them whenever?? Another thing you don’t strike me as a guy whos carb sensitive since you say you can stay lean without doing any sort of cardio which is in contrast to myself, what kind of advice would you give to guys who use to be fat growing and have slow metabolisms now?[/quote]

Pretty sure he’s mentioned more than once that he currently gets beetween 300-450g of protein depending on current goals. “Not counting calories” means not seeing a need to weigh every single piece of food every day. It doesn’t mean piling food on a plate at random and hoping for the best. That’s my take on it at least. [/quote]

Yea Bonez, I agree with that. I think that as long as you have some form of consistancy in your eating it’s quite easy to make adjustments according to what you need even if you don’t know the exact ammount of calories. I think it’s safe to guess that X keeps a pretty good track on what he’s eating even if he doesn’t count calories.

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By the way X, how important do you feel that meal frequency is? The last couple of years there seems to have been a change of opinion in that it’s acceptable to split the intake over fewer meals than we used to think as long as the ammount is enough.

And yet, most of the really big people I know still seem to eat a lot of meals rather than a few big ones. My own theory on this is that a big guy requires a lot of food and such an ammount of food is simply easier to consume if you split it into smaller meals. Personally I have tried both 6+ meals per day and 3 meals per day and I don’t really notice a difference, but then again I’m not very big and my caloric need is quite modest. I’m also quite fond of eating so fewer but larger meals just feels more satisfying to me.

I don’t think this has been discussed in this thread. I did read all of it but much of it was such a mess that I might have missed a few things. Also, pardon me if this is common knowledge but I really don’t pay much attention to stuff like this. I focus on eating enough, I focus on eating mostly decent food and I try to remember pre/post workout nutrition. Beyond that it frankly bores the hell out of me. :confused: