[quote]Scott M wrote:
You guys putting all that crap(ranch dressing?) on your steak shame on you. [/quote]
It’s good dog…
Okay, maybe I’m a heathen
How about the toaster struddle is superior to the pop tart debate? I know Stu has something to say about that.
Rob, how is the husk working for ya?
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
X, how is your cholesterol level in blood, after all those years?[/quote]
One of the few intelligent and relevent questions in this clusterfuck of a thread. I would also like to know the answer…?
Also Prof, did you ever have large quantities of milk in your diet at any time when mass gaining? Not saying you need it, just curious.,[/quote]
Why would he need to drink milk? What is so magical about milk that can’t be found in other foods, and don’t tell me because of the calcium or extra hormones in it.
[quote]kerplunk wrote:
Is ketchup considered a vegetable?
If so then I’m good to go for the day.[/quote]
nope, technically tomatoes are a fruit (bad tasting for a fruit IMO), but a fruit nonetheless
This is a really good thread. Alot to learn here.
[quote]Rekkitanko wrote:
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think it;s just a matter of the FDA/Mainstream Media, and what people have been fed since they were younger. Once you get to the point of actually understanding the effect that different food and nutrients have INSIDE your body (hormone levels etc), things shift into a much clearer picture. I’ve seen so many people drain the oil off of their natural peanut butter, thinking that they were being smart -lol.
S[/quote]
That’s what I was trying to get at by saying we are told we “need” a lot of things that don’t necessarily hold true.
Just a quick scan of this thread shows you, me and X are probably more developed than the guys arguing that we are wrong, yet they continue to wonder why they don’t progress.
I am beginning to remember exactly what prompted me to go on a hiatus from posting on this site.
Edit: And I commend X and Stu for being on here so long and being able to put up with the know-it-all “sheeple” that pop up in just about every thread where someone who has made more progress and has more experience tries to give a little insight. [/quote]
The reason most people are not as big as you has no relation with the amount of fruits and vegetables they eat. It simply relies on caloric intake and genetic predisposition. And what has the FDA got to do with anything, according to your position they are tricking us into eating apples and bananas.
What you may not realize is that with the amount of food you are eating, you are most probably covering all essential micronutrients. Trumping the need for fruits and vegetables, except maybe fibers.
[/quote]
You’re right, training ethic has nothing to do with it.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Next meal is coming up fast and I’m thinking ground turkey w/taco seasoning, a little bit of potato w/apple cider vinegar and Old Bay seasoning and some fish oil caps… come on guys I need your approval quick![/quote]
DUDE!
I put vinegar on everything. It is good stuff, and if I’m craving it, I’ll just do a shot of it.
YOu know what else is good on steak? Ranch dressing. [/quote]
do you like man ranch?[/quote]
No, but I LOVE mannase.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
X, how is your cholesterol level in blood, after all those years?[/quote]
One of the few intelligent and relevent questions in this clusterfuck of a thread. I would also like to know the answer…?
Also Prof, did you ever have large quantities of milk in your diet at any time when mass gaining? Not saying you need it, just curious.,[/quote]
Why would he need to drink milk? What is so magical about milk that can’t be found in other foods, and don’t tell me because of the calcium or extra hormones in it.[/quote]
Because it’s liquid calories that are cheap and easily accessible…?
X said many times that he started to gain mass when he got to college and not many college students have the cash for 2/3 steaks a day and 8/9 eggs every morning.
Fucking crazy concept, right? What was I thinking…
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Kerley wrote:
probably because we (we being humans) have eaten apple type fruit for millions of years and grass/grains for 100s of years.[/quote]
Ancient Egyptians ate bread so change that to thousands.
mmmm beer
[/quote]
Actually, there is new evidence that humans were processing and eating grains 100’s of thousands of years ago.
“Paleo” nutrition, like most other evolutionary rationalizations, is a crock of shit. It makes some degree of basic sense on paper but once you get into real science, none of it pans out.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
X, how is your cholesterol level in blood, after all those years?[/quote]
One of the few intelligent and relevent questions in this clusterfuck of a thread. I would also like to know the answer…?
Also Prof, did you ever have large quantities of milk in your diet at any time when mass gaining? Not saying you need it, just curious.,[/quote]
Why would he need to drink milk? What is so magical about milk that can’t be found in other foods, and don’t tell me because of the calcium or extra hormones in it.[/quote]
I’m not playing this game or falling for this trap. You know more about the human body than anyone else on Earth, you tell me what is in them. Have fun, though I know you won’t answer.
Why does everything have to be a riddle with you
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
X, how is your cholesterol level in blood, after all those years?[/quote]
One of the few intelligent and relevent questions in this clusterfuck of a thread. I would also like to know the answer…?
Also Prof, did you ever have large quantities of milk in your diet at any time when mass gaining? Not saying you need it, just curious.,[/quote]
Why would he need to drink milk? What is so magical about milk that can’t be found in other foods, and don’t tell me because of the calcium or extra hormones in it.[/quote]
Because it’s liquid calories that are cheap and easily accessible…?
X said many times that he started to gain mass when he got to college and not many college students have the cash for 2/3 steaks a day and 8/9 eggs every morning.
Fucking crazy concept, right? What was I thinking…
[/quote]
You missed my joke 
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
X, how is your cholesterol level in blood, after all those years?[/quote]
One of the few intelligent and relevent questions in this clusterfuck of a thread. I would also like to know the answer…?
Also Prof, did you ever have large quantities of milk in your diet at any time when mass gaining? Not saying you need it, just curious.,[/quote]
Why would he need to drink milk? What is so magical about milk that can’t be found in other foods, and don’t tell me because of the calcium or extra hormones in it.[/quote]
Because it’s liquid calories that are cheap and easily accessible…?
X said many times that he started to gain mass when he got to college and not many college students have the cash for 2/3 steaks a day and 8/9 eggs every morning.
Fucking crazy concept, right? What was I thinking…
[/quote]
Pretty sure he said he did, and had issues with the lactose, but drank it anyway.
It is in the PX a request thread somewhere I believe, but don’t’ quote me it is from memory.
[quote]KyleT wrote:
[quote]Rekkitanko wrote:
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think it;s just a matter of the FDA/Mainstream Media, and what people have been fed since they were younger. Once you get to the point of actually understanding the effect that different food and nutrients have INSIDE your body (hormone levels etc), things shift into a much clearer picture. I’ve seen so many people drain the oil off of their natural peanut butter, thinking that they were being smart -lol.
S[/quote]
That’s what I was trying to get at by saying we are told we “need” a lot of things that don’t necessarily hold true.
Just a quick scan of this thread shows you, me and X are probably more developed than the guys arguing that we are wrong, yet they continue to wonder why they don’t progress.
I am beginning to remember exactly what prompted me to go on a hiatus from posting on this site.
Edit: And I commend X and Stu for being on here so long and being able to put up with the know-it-all “sheeple” that pop up in just about every thread where someone who has made more progress and has more experience tries to give a little insight. [/quote]
The reason most people are not as big as you has no relation with the amount of fruits and vegetables they eat. It simply relies on caloric intake and genetic predisposition. And what has the FDA got to do with anything, according to your position they are tricking us into eating apples and bananas.
What you may not realize is that with the amount of food you are eating, you are most probably covering all essential micronutrients. Trumping the need for fruits and vegetables, except maybe fibers.
[/quote]
You’re right, training ethic has nothing to do with it.[/quote]
Mariusz Pudzian > Ben Johnson … Work ethic seemed to be a given, at least in my eyes. If one is not willing to put in the effort, clearly there is no point in expecting any kind of significant improvement.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Next meal is coming up fast and I’m thinking ground turkey w/taco seasoning, a little bit of potato w/apple cider vinegar and Old Bay seasoning and some fish oil caps… come on guys I need your approval quick![/quote]
DUDE!
I put vinegar on everything. It is good stuff, and if I’m craving it, I’ll just do a shot of it.
YOu know what else is good on steak? Ranch dressing. [/quote]
A shot of apple cider vinegar is so intense, moonshine ain’t got nothin on ACV!
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
X, how is your cholesterol level in blood, after all those years?[/quote]
One of the few intelligent and relevent questions in this clusterfuck of a thread. I would also like to know the answer…?
Also Prof, did you ever have large quantities of milk in your diet at any time when mass gaining? Not saying you need it, just curious.,[/quote]
Why would he need to drink milk? What is so magical about milk that can’t be found in other foods, and don’t tell me because of the calcium or extra hormones in it.[/quote]
I’m not playing this game or falling for this trap. You know more about the human body than anyone else on Earth, you tell me what is in them. Have fun, though I know you won’t answer.
Why does everything have to be a riddle with you [/quote]
If it makes you feel any better I get some milk that’s in my coffee
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]KyleT wrote:
This really big guy in my gym told me he eats low fat everything, usually no more than 20 fat grams per day. He’s very lean as well. I’ve seen him deadlift 605 and bench 385. I’ve been following his advice for the past few months. Would I get better gains by switching my diet to one similar to yalls? One where I ate lots of beef and fats? Caloric total being the same of course.[/quote]
You have to see what works for you. If you are growing and getting stronger, fine. But I do know, that the body needs fats to function optimally. All this low fat shit came about at about the same time Jim Fixx wrote “The Joy of Running” or whatever that damn book was and people started going away from what had worked for millions of years. I bet you the guy you are referring to still believes that myth of “fat makes you fat”. If you ask him why he eats the way he does, he probably cannot give you an explanation and given the nutritional propaganda that has been put out there I am guessing most people in your gym eat low fat but they are all small and weak, which probably means your buddy who is big and strong is just a freak.
And since we have no idea what you consider “big” without a visual frame of reference really means nothing. I may be jaded, but I really don’t consider someone of average height who is less than 240 all that big and at 240 a 605 deadlift for a single is good but not overly impressive and a 385 max bench is to be expected. [/quote]
Hell, less than expected. If I weighed 240 and couldn’t bench over 400lbs at this height, I would think something is wrong.
I do agree though, without pictures, many newbs or smaller guys will relate nearly everyone bigger than them as “BIG”. It makes it hard to tell how realistic their perception is.[/quote]
Damn, X! You’re killing me. I am about 240, at 6’2" and my all-time max bench is 420, and that was several years ago. I’m 47 years old now, and my max BP stays around 385. I still squat over 550 and deadlift over 600 weelky. I’m not saying that those numbers are great or anything, and I know they are not shit compared to truly STRONG individuals, but I certainly don’t think that something is “wrong with me”. I often run a sub 6-minute mile and workout with wrestlers and MMA practitioners consistenly. I always appreciate your no-bullshit answers and advice; but when you say that a sub 400lb. BP is an indication of something being wrong…I must disagree.
Sorry if this is a bit of a “hijack”.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Next meal is coming up fast and I’m thinking ground turkey w/taco seasoning, a little bit of potato w/apple cider vinegar and Old Bay seasoning and some fish oil caps… come on guys I need your approval quick![/quote]
DUDE!
I put vinegar on everything. It is good stuff, and if I’m craving it, I’ll just do a shot of it.
YOu know what else is good on steak? Ranch dressing. [/quote]
A shot of apple cider vinegar is so intense, moonshine ain’t got nothin on ACV![/quote]
LOL, I fucking love vinger… Cook some pork lion in it… mmmmm mm
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Next meal is coming up fast and I’m thinking ground turkey w/taco seasoning, a little bit of potato w/apple cider vinegar and Old Bay seasoning and some fish oil caps… come on guys I need your approval quick![/quote]
DUDE!
I put vinegar on everything. It is good stuff, and if I’m craving it, I’ll just do a shot of it.
YOu know what else is good on steak? Ranch dressing. [/quote]
A shot of apple cider vinegar is so intense, moonshine ain’t got nothin on ACV![/quote]
LOL, I fucking love vinger… Cook some pork lion in it… mmmmm mm[/quote]
I LOVE porklion-- half pig, half lion! Perfect for chinese dishes.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Next meal is coming up fast and I’m thinking ground turkey w/taco seasoning, a little bit of potato w/apple cider vinegar and Old Bay seasoning and some fish oil caps… come on guys I need your approval quick![/quote]
DUDE!
I put vinegar on everything. It is good stuff, and if I’m craving it, I’ll just do a shot of it.
YOu know what else is good on steak? Ranch dressing. [/quote]
A shot of apple cider vinegar is so intense, moonshine ain’t got nothin on ACV![/quote]
LOL, I fucking love vinger… Cook some pork lion in it… mmmmm mm[/quote]
I LOVE porklion-- half pig, half lion! Perfect for chinese dishes.[/quote]
lol, I knew I was fucking that up right as I hit submit.
pancakes
[quote]studgorilla wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
[quote]KyleT wrote:
This really big guy in my gym told me he eats low fat everything, usually no more than 20 fat grams per day. He’s very lean as well. I’ve seen him deadlift 605 and bench 385. I’ve been following his advice for the past few months. Would I get better gains by switching my diet to one similar to yalls? One where I ate lots of beef and fats? Caloric total being the same of course.[/quote]
You have to see what works for you. If you are growing and getting stronger, fine. But I do know, that the body needs fats to function optimally. All this low fat shit came about at about the same time Jim Fixx wrote “The Joy of Running” or whatever that damn book was and people started going away from what had worked for millions of years. I bet you the guy you are referring to still believes that myth of “fat makes you fat”. If you ask him why he eats the way he does, he probably cannot give you an explanation and given the nutritional propaganda that has been put out there I am guessing most people in your gym eat low fat but they are all small and weak, which probably means your buddy who is big and strong is just a freak.
And since we have no idea what you consider “big” without a visual frame of reference really means nothing. I may be jaded, but I really don’t consider someone of average height who is less than 240 all that big and at 240 a 605 deadlift for a single is good but not overly impressive and a 385 max bench is to be expected. [/quote]
Hell, less than expected. If I weighed 240 and couldn’t bench over 400lbs at this height, I would think something is wrong.
I do agree though, without pictures, many newbs or smaller guys will relate nearly everyone bigger than them as “BIG”. It makes it hard to tell how realistic their perception is.[/quote]
Damn, X! You’re killing me. I am about 240, at 6’2" and my all-time max bench is 420, and that was several years ago. I’m 47 years old now, and my max BP stays around 385. I still squat over 550 and deadlift over 600 weelky. I’m not saying that those numbers are great or anything, and I know they are not shit compared to truly STRONG individuals, but I certainly don’t think that something is “wrong with me”. I often run a sub 6-minute mile and workout with wrestlers and MMA practitioners consistenly. I always appreciate your no-bullshit answers and advice; but when you say that a sub 400lb. BP is an indication of something being wrong…I must disagree.
Sorry if this is a bit of a “hijack”.[/quote]
Dude… you’re 6’2".