Pro-Card Daydreamin. 5'7'' 161 @ Approx 8%

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
Give up on being a Pro, you don’t have the genetics. Your symetry is off, front shoulder are weak, upper chest needs work, your lat insertions are not long enough, you have no quad sweep at all. After 12-13 years, if you had the genetics you would have been a Pro already.

At 5’7" and 161 and 8 BF you would have trouble winning a National Qualifer. My suggestion, stick to local shows, were you should do good. Your Physique looks good, but I seen alot that look like yours. Not trying to disrespect you, just trying to keep it real.

Damn dude, kind of uncalled for dontcha think?

He’s probably got a good 8-10 years left to make his mark, that’s a shit ton of time. No need to call him out like that.

Do you see a Pro in him? I am not calling him out, just being realistic. I believe Jay Cutler is about his height maybe 5’9’, enough said!!

In all fairness to the OP a pro card doesn’t mean one is required to compete in the super heavy or open division. I agree with you that the genetics aren’t there but being 5’9-5’10 265lbs in contest shape is not the requirement for pro status. [/quote]

Fair enough, but it is God given genetics. I believe Serge Nubret and Frank Zane weighed about 200, when they were Pros at his height. He would have to put on about 50 pounds of muscle to equal that. Pros these days are beyond that size.

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[quote]pesty4077 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
Give up on being a Pro, you don’t have the genetics. Your symetry is off, front shoulder are weak, upper chest needs work, your lat insertions are not long enough, you have no quad sweep at all. After 12-13 years, if you had the genetics you would have been a Pro already.

At 5’7" and 161 and 8 BF you would have trouble winning a National Qualifer. My suggestion, stick to local shows, were you should do good. Your Physique looks good, but I seen alot that look like yours. Not trying to disrespect you, just trying to keep it real.

Damn dude, kind of uncalled for dontcha think?

He’s probably got a good 8-10 years left to make his mark, that’s a shit ton of time. No need to call him out like that.

Do you see a Pro in him? I am not calling him out, just being realistic. I believe Jay Cutler is about his height maybe 5’9’, enough said!!

In all fairness to the OP a pro card doesn’t mean one is required to compete in the super heavy or open division. I agree with you that the genetics aren’t there but being 5’9-5’10 265lbs in contest shape is not the requirement for pro status.

Fair enough, but it is God given genetics. I believe Serge Nubret and Frank Zane weighed about 200, when they were Pros at his height. He would have to put on about 50 pounds of muscle to equal that. Pros these days are beyond that size.[/quote]

You have a habit of being unable to understand what is being said. Forget it.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
kickingking wrote:
I agree, shadows are good. Why not show yourself in the best way possible, its all a part of posing :slight_smile:

Yea you’re right. Why not have the Mr. Olympia with black lights and phosphorous paint instead of posing oil… fail a little harder next time. [/quote]

The only thing I failed was my driving test first time around lol. I didn’t mention anything about angle of lighting and certainly not backlighting. Shadows occur with any lighting, Mr. Olympia has lighting and hence shadows, perhaps you’re misinterpreting what I was saying :slight_smile:

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[quote]kickingking wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
kickingking wrote:
I agree, shadows are good. Why not show yourself in the best way possible, its all a part of posing :slight_smile:

Yea you’re right. Why not have the Mr. Olympia with black lights and phosphorous paint instead of posing oil… fail a little harder next time.

The only thing I failed was my driving test first time around lol. I didn’t mention anything about angle of lighting and certainly not backlighting. Shadows occur with any lighting, Mr. Olympia has lighting and hence shadows, perhaps you’re misinterpreting what I was saying :slight_smile:

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Obviously you didnt mention anything about light angles or blacklights, I did, to make fun of what you’ve implied. We can read what you’ve written. No shit shadows occur.

What does that have to do with someone posting pics for a physique rating where the lighting is purposely manipulated to make it difficult to see the physique. I’m not misinterpreting what you’re saying. You’re just trying to sound cute now.

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in. tense.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
kickingking wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
kickingking wrote:
I agree, shadows are good. Why not show yourself in the best way possible, its all a part of posing :slight_smile:

Yea you’re right. Why not have the Mr. Olympia with black lights and phosphorous paint instead of posing oil… fail a little harder next time.

The only thing I failed was my driving test first time around lol. I didn’t mention anything about angle of lighting and certainly not backlighting. Shadows occur with any lighting, Mr. Olympia has lighting and hence shadows, perhaps you’re misinterpreting what I was saying :slight_smile:

Obviously you didnt mention anything about light angles or blacklights, I did, to make fun of what you’ve implied. We can read what you’ve written. No shit shadows occur.

What does that have to do with someone posting pics for a physique rating where the lighting is purposely manipulated to make it difficult to see the physique. I’m not misinterpreting what you’re saying. You’re just trying to sound cute now.
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Aww cute, see you love me really lol I know what you’re saying. My description wasn’t the best. You’re right about manipulating to make it difficult to see the physique and I didn’t explain where I was coming from :slight_smile:

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You won’t get anywhere near a procard until you get to 220 pounds fairly lean, and that’s just for the 202 class. Kevin English came down from 270 in the offseason at 5’4".

Time to kiss goodbye to the abz pics and start eating, good luck.

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[quote]pesty4077 wrote:
Give up on being a Pro, you don’t have the genetics. Your symetry is off, front shoulder are weak, upper chest needs work, your lat insertions are not long enough, you have no quad sweep at all.

After 12-13 years, if you had the genetics you would have been a Pro already. At 5’7" and 161 and 8 BF you would have trouble winning a National Qualifer. [/quote]

Yea - that really doesn’t make a lot of sense.

I mean, everything you listed about his shortcomings can be overcome with proper training - aside from the lat insertions which is genetic.

So, if the guy continues to make progress, who’s to say he can’t bring those weak points up? I’m not saying he has the genetics to go pro, but who are you to tell the guy he can’t do it? You’re such an expert (perhaps you are an IFBB or NPC judge?) that you can decide, with absolute certainty, what this guy can or can’t accomplish? How arrogant…

To the OP - impressive physique all around. Just need more size and to bring up your weak points - great job so far!

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
Give up on being a Pro, you don’t have the genetics. Your symetry is off, front shoulder are weak, upper chest needs work, your lat insertions are not long enough, you have no quad sweep at all.

After 12-13 years, if you had the genetics you would have been a Pro already. At 5’7" and 161 and 8 BF you would have trouble winning a National Qualifer.

Yea - that really doesn’t make a lot of sense.

I mean, everything you listed about his shortcomings can be overcome with proper training - aside from the lat insertions which is genetic.

So, if the guy continues to make progress, who’s to say he can’t bring those weak points up? I’m not saying he has the genetics to go pro, but who are you to tell the guy he can’t do it? You’re such an expert (perhaps you are an IFBB or NPC judge?) that you can decide, with absolute certainty, what this guy can or can’t accomplish? How arrogant…

To the OP - impressive physique all around. Just need more size and to bring up your weak points - great job so far! [/quote]

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[quote]Cprimero wrote:
You won’t get anywhere near a procard until you get to 220 pounds fairly lean, and that’s just for the 202 class. Kevin English came down from 270 in the offseason at 5’4".

Time to kiss goodbye to the abz pics and start eating, good luck.[/quote]

Apparently you have any idea about weight classes and how many different ways you can actually earn a pro card.

Nationals and pro competitions do weight classes much differently.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Cprimero wrote:
You won’t get anywhere near a procard until you get to 220 pounds fairly lean, and that’s just for the 202 class. Kevin English came down from 270 in the offseason at 5’4".

Time to kiss goodbye to the abz pics and start eating, good luck.

Apparently you have any idea about weight classes and how many different ways you can actually earn a pro card.

Nationals and pro competitions do weight classes much differently.
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my plan is a hard 190 in two years…and destroy local with shows with that. id like to keep that 185-190 for a while because its what i feel is gonna be my best aesthetic shape and size… then… if i so choose… kick it up to 210 - 220 to try to go pro if by that time i feel that being recognized as a professional freak is still important.

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[quote]spinsykel wrote:

and yes im trying to hide certain parts of my body…i thought that was the idea of posing…to make yourself look as good as possible (the illusion is part of bodybuilding i was made to understand)…[/quote]

is that why the box covering your dong was enlarged so much?

hahha kidding man, you look fantastical. i hope to look that good when i’m mid twenties, much less thirties.

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[quote]spinsykel wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cprimero wrote:
You won’t get anywhere near a procard until you get to 220 pounds fairly lean, and that’s just for the 202 class. Kevin English came down from 270 in the offseason at 5’4".

Time to kiss goodbye to the abz pics and start eating, good luck.

Apparently you have any idea about weight classes and how many different ways you can actually earn a pro card.

Nationals and pro competitions do weight classes much differently.

my plan is a hard 190 in two years…and destroy local with shows with that. id like to keep that 185-190 for a while because its what i feel is gonna be my best aesthetic shape and size… then… if i so choose… kick it up to 210 - 220 to try to go pro if by that time i feel that being recognized as a professional freak is still important.[/quote]

Do you plan to compete in untested shows?

I ask because if you want to compete at 190 at 5’7 you will have to bulk up well past 225. 60 total pounds seems like an awful lot in 2 years. At least 35 pounds of which will need to be muscle if 190 at 4% is the goal.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
spinsykel wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cprimero wrote:
You won’t get anywhere near a procard until you get to 220 pounds fairly lean, and that’s just for the 202 class. Kevin English came down from 270 in the offseason at 5’4".

Time to kiss goodbye to the abz pics and start eating, good luck.

Apparently you have any idea about weight classes and how many different ways you can actually earn a pro card.

Nationals and pro competitions do weight classes much differently.

my plan is a hard 190 in two years…and destroy local with shows with that. id like to keep that 185-190 for a while because its what i feel is gonna be my best aesthetic shape and size… then… if i so choose… kick it up to 210 - 220 to try to go pro if by that time i feel that being recognized as a professional freak is still important.

Do you plan to compete in untested shows?

I ask because if you want to compete at 190 at 5’7 you will have to bulk up well past 225. 60 total pounds seems like an awful lot in 2 years. At least 35 pounds of which will need to be muscle if 190 at 4% is the goal. [/quote]

at 190… tested. i really dont feel like ill have that much of a hard time gettin to 190 naturally… i hit 178 with sheer maniacal determination and 7,000 lbs of muscle milk… with the more in depth nutritioning knowledge that i have now… an extra 12 lbs is no big stretch…and ill probably save a whole ton of money on food too.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
spinsykel wrote:

and yes im trying to hide certain parts of my body…i thought that was the idea of posing…to make yourself look as good as possible (the illusion is part of bodybuilding i was made to understand)…

is that why the box covering your dong was enlarged so much?

hahha kidding man, you look fantastical. i hope to look that good when i’m mid twenties, much less thirties.[/quote]

ha. dillweed.

thanks. :slight_smile:

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You look very good man, keep focus on your goal and you will go pro. If it’s your real goal and you know you can do it, you will see everything will get in line to let you enter.
You have a good base, you need a lot of work but It think it’s something you are already do. Focus to gain weight. Good picture you know how to put your body in evidence.

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[quote]spinsykel wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
spinsykel wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cprimero wrote:
You won’t get anywhere near a procard until you get to 220 pounds fairly lean, and that’s just for the 202 class. Kevin English came down from 270 in the offseason at 5’4".

Time to kiss goodbye to the abz pics and start eating, good luck.

Apparently you have any idea about weight classes and how many different ways you can actually earn a pro card.

Nationals and pro competitions do weight classes much differently.

my plan is a hard 190 in two years…and destroy local with shows with that. id like to keep that 185-190 for a while because its what i feel is gonna be my best aesthetic shape and size… then… if i so choose… kick it up to 210 - 220 to try to go pro if by that time i feel that being recognized as a professional freak is still important.

Do you plan to compete in untested shows?

I ask because if you want to compete at 190 at 5’7 you will have to bulk up well past 225. 60 total pounds seems like an awful lot in 2 years. At least 35 pounds of which will need to be muscle if 190 at 4% is the goal.

at 190… tested. i really dont feel like ill have that much of a hard time gettin to 190 naturally… i hit 178 with sheer maniacal determination and 7,000 lbs of muscle milk… with the more in depth nutritioning knowledge that i have now… an extra 12 lbs is no big stretch…and ill probably save a whole ton of money on food too.
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The thing is that you aren’t close to competition shape. You are obviously leaner than most people but you aren’t below 10 % in any of those pictures. Not even close. 190 at 4% (which is good bodyfat percentage for a local show) is not simply 12 pounds away. If you were to start a contest diet in the condition you are in now you’d have at least 10 pounds of fat to lose and another 8+ pounds of water. You are severely underestimating how much more mass you need to be in competition shape at 5’7 190.

Read TheMightyStu’s competition thread. Then look at pics of middle/light heavies competing in tested shows.

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[quote]p-dub wrote:
Hey man you look good. One suggestion is to stop posting the shadowy shit. It makes it look like you are trying to hide certain parts of your body.[/quote]

I think the photos are fine. I’m able to see what I need to and I like the style of the photos. Better than those photos of people using cell phones in the bathroom mirror.

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[quote]pesty4077 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
Give up on being a Pro, you don’t have the genetics. Your symetry is off, front shoulder are weak, upper chest needs work, your lat insertions are not long enough, you have no quad sweep at all.

After 12-13 years, if you had the genetics you would have been a Pro already. At 5’7" and 161 and 8 BF you would have trouble winning a National Qualifer. My suggestion, stick to local shows, were you should do good.

Your Physique looks good, but I seen alot that look like yours. Not trying to disrespect you, just trying to keep it real.

Damn dude, kind of uncalled for dontcha think?

He’s probably got a good 8-10 years left to make his mark, that’s a shit ton of time. No need to call him out like that.

Do you see a Pro in him? I am not calling him out, just being realistic. I believe Jay Cutler is about his height maybe 5’9’, enough said!![/quote]

There are before and after photos of many pros on this site, and I have to say, I would never have pegged some of those before photos as pro material (case in point, Dorian Yates). I say this guy could get a pro card if he really wants to. He won’t get one today, or next year, but five years from now, who is to say? I, for one, give props to the guy for his progress and for having the balls to post his photos and take the good, bad and ugly from us.

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Even after Dorian started lifting, I wouldn’t have pegged him as a future Mr. O . . .

Get up to a lean 202 in 8-10 years and then we’ll know for sure whether the genetics are there or not. The lack of balance others have pointed out can be corrected over that period of time and certainly the size can be added. Worst case, he’ll be like Dave Palumbo, big and thick, but just not the ideal physique. I have nothing to encouragement to offer.