Pretty Good 'Street' Application

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Not sure if anybody on here has seen this yet.

Can’t speak to the guy’s justification, but I thought it was a pretty good “street” application. That said, security guy was throwing a LOT of shots, so either cornrows is a tank or they weren’t necessarily all super productive shots, but still…

Maybe not the best job of getting control/taking into custody, but pretty good HTH skill set for a security guard. He seemed more into fighting the guy than arresting him, but it’s not my intention to Monday morning quarterback too much.

Thoughts?

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My initial thoughts are that the security guard looked good, but in reality was ineffective. As you say, he threw a lot of shots without causing much damage, and a lot of them were pretty wild and could have earned him a broken hand, or two.

This is one of those occasions where I would say strength should have trumped his ninjitsu. The security guard, leaving aside whether he started the fight or not, should have realised that he punched like a young girl, and used the many opportunities available to him to grab the other dude and throw him on the concrete, or at least get him off balance more. If you can’t hit effectively, and to me effectively means each shot saps the fight out of the other guy - give a shit about which technique you prefer (haymaker is still an effective shot when it lands), then you are much better off trying to throw the guy then keep him on the floor.

IMO, if the other guy had been salty, he would have had plenty of chances to get shots of his own off, grab the security guard, deploy a knife etc. Easy to look good against a guy who isn’t really trying to fuck up you day. Put this security guard up against the kind of guy who walks into a bar and confidently says ‘I’ll lick any man in this place’, and I don’t think he would have looked nearly so pretty.

It’s late here and I’m grumpy, so that may be a shitty analysis.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
My initial thoughts are that the security guard looked good, but in reality was ineffective. As you say, he threw a lot of shots without causing much damage, and a lot of them were pretty wild and could have earned him a broken hand, or two.

This is one of those occasions where I would say strength should have trumped his ninjitsu. The security guard, leaving aside whether he started the fight or not, should have realised that he punched like a young girl, and used the many opportunities available to him to grab the other dude and throw him on the concrete, or at least get him off balance more. If you can’t hit effectively, and to me effectively means each shot saps the fight out of the other guy - give a shit about which technique you prefer (haymaker is still an effective shot when it lands), then you are much better off trying to throw the guy then keep him on the floor.

IMO, if the other guy had been salty, he would have had plenty of chances to get shots of his own off, grab the security guard, deploy a knife etc. Easy to look good against a guy who isn’t really trying to fuck up you day. Put this security guard up against the kind of guy who walks into a bar and confidently says ‘I’ll lick any man in this place’, and I don’t think he would have looked nearly so pretty.

It’s late here and I’m grumpy, so that may be a shitty analysis. [/quote]

I’m not sure that you’re too far off.

I don’t want to find fault with the guy who was actually there. He went home safe, so as far as that goes his technique was effective in this case.

That said, as a learning point, I can buy the too much looking cool not enough getting it done analysis. A number of blows that should have been fight stoppers seemed to land with minimal effect. The fight went on for over 30 seconds and only ended when another security guard intervened. That is way longer than I would want to be tussling with a guy. Not enough weight/follow through behind his shots maybe? Not used to training with real contact? Who knows. I agree that a truly proficient attacker would have likely given him a tough time.

I also agree that security would have been better served by tossing cornrows to the deck and/or locking him up and gaining a position of dominance and control. Also, assuming security had a baton on his belt, may have been better off deploying it during one of the breaks where they moved out of striking distance instead of continuing to try to box the guy.
It’s entirely possible he may have been able to order the guy to the ground without even needing to strike him. Obviously there’s no way to know.

Nonetheless, given some of the truly dismal displays out there on the webz, I can still stand behind my “pretty good” description.

Edited: clarity

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
My initial thoughts are that the security guard looked good, but in reality was ineffective. As you say, he threw a lot of shots without causing much damage, and a lot of them were pretty wild and could have earned him a broken hand, or two.

This is one of those occasions where I would say strength should have trumped his ninjitsu. The security guard, leaving aside whether he started the fight or not, should have realised that he punched like a young girl, and used the many opportunities available to him to grab the other dude and throw him on the concrete, or at least get him off balance more. If you can’t hit effectively, and to me effectively means each shot saps the fight out of the other guy - give a shit about which technique you prefer (haymaker is still an effective shot when it lands), then you are much better off trying to throw the guy then keep him on the floor.

IMO, if the other guy had been salty, he would have had plenty of chances to get shots of his own off, grab the security guard, deploy a knife etc. Easy to look good against a guy who isn’t really trying to fuck up you day. Put this security guard up against the kind of guy who walks into a bar and confidently says ‘I’ll lick any man in this place’, and I don’t think he would have looked nearly so pretty.

It’s late here and I’m grumpy, so that may be a shitty analysis. [/quote]

I’m not sure that you’re too far off.

I don’t want to find fault with the guy who was actually there. He went home safe, so as far as that goes his technique was effective in this case.

That said, as a learning point, I can buy the too much looking cool not enough getting it done analysis. A number of blows that should have been fight stoppers seemed to land with minimal effect. The fight went on for over 30 seconds and only ended when another security guard intervened. That is way longer than I would want to be tussling with a guy. Not enough weight/follow through behind his shots maybe? Not used to training with real contact? Who knows. I agree that a truly proficient attacker would have likely given him a tough time.

I also agree that security would have been better served by tossing cornrows to the deck and/or locking him up and gaining a position of dominance and control. Also, assuming security had a baton on his belt, may have been better off deploying it during one of the breaks where they moved out of striking distance instead of continuing to try to box the guy.
It’s entirely possible he may have been able to order the guy to the ground without even needing to strike him. Obviously there’s no way to know.

Nonetheless, given some of the truly dismal displays out there on the webz, I can still stand behind my “pretty good” description.

Edited: clarity

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While the security guard survived, the fact is cornrows wasn’t throwing anything very effective either. It doesn’t look like cornrows would pose much of a threat to anyone experienced.

It’s weird how none of the guards shots connect very well. It almost looked staged. Probably hired that guy to stage a fight, trying to impress the sexy news anchor

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It looked like what happens when you don’t practice against actual people or with no contact.

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This video was very popular here in Memphis obviously and I always thought that security guard sucked.

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It looked like a guy who had trained a while with little contact vs a guy who hadn’t trained. Yeah, security boy got some combos off, but his opponent was mostly unharmed.

And yeah, there were many chances to drop cornrows via sweep or throw. But it looked like security boy never trained a single day in doing that.

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[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
It looked like a guy who had trained a while with little contact vs a guy who hadn’t trained. Yeah, security boy got some combos off, but his opponent was mostly unharmed.

And yeah, there were many chances to drop cornrows via sweep or throw. But it looked like security boy never trained a single day in doing that. [/quote]

Yep.

I wondered if security trains at one of those McRMA/Krav type schools where they do tons of light and fast partner drills but never put on protective gear and do force on force with real contact. Pure speculation, but that’s almost what it looks like to me.

Agreed on the total lack of any effective grappling base, which is unfortunately also kinda typical of many of the above mentioned types of schools, from what I understand.

Still, security obviously had some training and a game plan which he mostly stuck to IRL, which is more than many (both in and out of uniform) in the same situation would be able to say.

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Security guard did a decent job of defending himself from getting hit by the few shots that cornrows threw. But I agree that his attack was lacking.

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I find this scary. The guy has some skills but should have been done with the BG in about 15 seconds tops. Scary because I’m now questioning my intensity in training, ( I suppose that’s good ).Maybe his ego got involved and he was trying to impress himself.

Personally, I’d rather end early and ugly.

John

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[quote]Josann wrote:
I find this scary. The guy has some skills but should have been done with the BG in about 15 seconds tops. Scary because I’m now questioning my intensity in training, ( I suppose that’s good ).Maybe his ego got involved and he was trying to impress himself.

Personally, I’d rather end early and ugly.

John[/quote]

Like facepalm said, it is weird how none of the guard’s shots seemed to land cleanly or have any effect (cornrows didn’t have a mark on him in that post fight interview). It looked like SC did a nice head shield to straight right counter to CR’s initial right haymaker, which should had at least stumbled if not totally rocked or dropped CR, but instead it seemed to have absolutely no effect. He also seemed to throw a knee during the ensuing exchange, but it too had no effect.

Either, as London/Batman suggested, SC couldn’t punch his way out of a wet paper bag or trains at a school where they never actually put on the gear and connect with their shots (most likely), it was staged for publicity (less likely, but possible), or CR is just a beast who can take a ton of damage and keep going (least likely).

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[quote]Ranzo wrote:
This video was very popular here in Memphis obviously and I always thought that security guard sucked.[/quote]

I was gonna ask if you knew who he was lol. You should find out and invite him to class, he could use a little work.

Beyond what’s already been pointed out about looking like he knows what he’s doing but somehow being completely ineffective, I’d say his biggest mistake was that he squared off and made a street kickboxing match out of a security/police situation. “Win or lose, if you end up in a fist fight you’ve already fucked up.” - combatives instructor

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[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:
This video was very popular here in Memphis obviously and I always thought that security guard sucked.[/quote]

I was gonna ask if you knew who he was lol. You should find out and invite him to class, he could use a little work.

Beyond what’s already been pointed out about looking like he knows what he’s doing but somehow being completely ineffective, I’d say his biggest mistake was that he squared off and made a street kickboxing match out of a security/police situation. “Win or lose, if you end up in a fist fight you’ve already fucked up.” - combatives instructor

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That crap made the local news here LOL. Im sure he knows everything already

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Of course we could give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe the bad guy was super duper high and couldn’t be phased by a mere mortal’s punches.

That wouldn’t surprise me either ha

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[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:
This video was very popular here in Memphis obviously and I always thought that security guard sucked.[/quote]

I was gonna ask if you knew who he was lol. You should find out and invite him to class, he could use a little work.

Beyond what’s already been pointed out about looking like he knows what he’s doing but somehow being completely ineffective, I’d say his biggest mistake was that he squared off and made a street kickboxing match out of a security/police situation. “Win or lose, if you end up in a fist fight you’ve already fucked up.” - combatives instructor

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Haha, yeah I thought the same thing when I watched it the first time.

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I think he looks more fancy than he is actually effecting.

Style vs substance if you will.

I’ve never been a fan of that crazy monkey guard shit. In the time it took you to perform that maneuver you couldve avoided the blow completely and came back up in a better position, rather than relying on the hope that your opponent is going to be an uneducated or weak puncher.

Secondly his intent to be faithful to that system robbed him of power in his punches. He connects fantastically on the first counter punch, and then saps all his power in the follow up because hes too busy trying to decide between defense or offense.

But all in all, lets be fair, he walked away unscathed from what we can tell, and seemed to dominate the conflict regardless. The other guy didnt look really busted up but he looked like he might have something of a concussion.

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I saw this video a while ago and I think about it alot in terms of practical application street fighting.

The security guard had good form for his Muay Thai style. He didn’t land as much contact as he could have likely because strategy was overridden by emotion. He was heated. Obviously the two fought because of something else that was going on not mentioned in the video. The security guard just wanted to “catch a fade” and put his shit back in his pocket over something else between them two. aha.

With that said, if the security guard really wanted to dominate , or take down the other guy he could have done so much quickly utilizing different forms of practical street fighting application. With a little more strategy he could have also , and very easily , knocked the other guy out cold. Utilizing different forms of jiu jitsu, krav, wing chung, in practical street fighting application, he could have ended the fight in 2 seconds.

This is what martial arts is all about though. It’s not about “fighting” , it’s about finding your balance, strength, discipline , meditation, from within. Evolving that strength for better peace within. Finding your inner flame and knowing how , when or where it becomes the fire. Different forms of martial arts, jiu jitsu, hapki-do , kungfu, taekwondo, can be adopted into practical application for real street fighting like Krav , but without building the “Martial Arts” discipline, you can still be lost.

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please stop

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[quote]
This is what martial arts is all about though. It’s not about “fighting” , it’s about finding your balance, strength, discipline , meditation, from within. Evolving that strength for better peace within. [/quote]
I just puked a little.

What the guy missed was putting his hip into these punches and kicks.
he could not have knocked out a generic mosquito with those swings.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
please stop[/quote]

Word. It’s about knocking mother fuckers out.