Im getting confused these days the more i read on this site. As combat athletes how should we be feeding to fuel for workouts and after. I have always read and even studied, being a nutritionist, that consuming complex carbs before training with whey protein, and after to consume simple carbs with whey…
Now all the new advice on this site is pointing its fingures at this Anaconda Protocol and or in some way to Biotest products, stating we need to fuel up heavily on simple carbs pre and peri workout due to the bodies neglect to respond to insulin after training because of catecholamines…
Has anyone besides a body builder found this to be true? or is this sites threads made to buy product from it?
I’m not sure why you’re surprised that people on this site recommend its products.
Also, as a combat athlete there are likely more appropriate sites for you
However, it depends on your goals. If you’re trying to maintain or gain muscle, or perform better then Biotest products are pretty good for athletes in general.
[quote]Merida Trainer wrote:
As combat athletes how should we be feeding to fuel for workouts and after.[/quote]
Depends on the kind of workout and the goals for the training cycle. If we’re talking about weight training for added size, then “bodybuilding nutrition” is fine. If we’re training for strength with minimal size, you’d want something slightly different. If we’re talking about cardio/conditioning, it’s different. If we’re talking about fuel for a class, it’s different again.
You should know that nutrition (and supplementation) is very dependent on the training goal, as well as the type of training.
Theories will change, and they should. There’s nothing really wrong with “traditional” post-workout nutrition, but the focus on periworkout nutrition seems to be more effective across the board. And this is being re-emphasized by all the lifters, recreational and competitive, that are implementing it.
Like Mod Brian said, the Anaconda Protocol isn’t appropriate for most athletes, including combat athletes. It’s a supplement stack designed for maximum muscle. Using it when maximum muscle size isn’t your goal is like using a treadmill to build bigger hamstrings. Wrong tool for the job.
For bodybuilding, the complete Anaconda Protocol is ideal. For other athletes, other supplements will be better suited to their goals. As I said before, as a nutritionist, you should understand that the training, nutrition, and supplements need to all be tailored towards the athlete’s particular goals.
There’s a whole lot more to peri-workout nutrition than simply loading up “heavily on simple carbs.” As a nutritionist, you should’ve recognized a detail like that.
Threads on this site are generally related to the statement all the way at the top of the page… The Intelligent and Relentless Pursuit of Muscle. It’s never been a hidden fact that Biotest hosts these forums. However, there is often discussion of many different types of supplements. It’s just no surprise that, given the high quality of Biotest products, the majority of members recommend Biotest products more often than not.
and how do you recommend i use these products? Is there a more natural approach to this? I am livng in mexico and getting these products can be a bit costly here.
I am aware how every type of training has its own diet and nutrition strategy. I posted a thread on consuming raisins after training. In particular being a MMA athlete the acids accumulated during training can be neutralized by consuming raisins because not only do they spike insulin but also are an alkaline. The next thread consisted of “post carb feeding is a thing of the past”.
People where talking about Anaconda Protocol and pre-peri carb feeding… I train for strength and endurance pretty much all year around. Weights change and intensity as well. what is the proper way to take these products before, during, and after training if the Anaconda Protocol is not meant for this type of training?
[quote]Merida Trainer wrote:
I am aware how every type of training has its own diet and nutrition strategy. I posted a thread on consuming raisins after training. In particular being a MMA athlete the acids accumulated during training can be neutralized by consuming raisins because not only do they spike insulin but also are an alkaline. The next thread consisted of “post carb feeding is a thing of the past”.
People where talking about Anaconda Protocol and pre-peri carb feeding… I train for strength and endurance pretty much all year around. Weights change and intensity as well. what is the proper way to take these products before, during, and after training if the Anaconda Protocol is not meant for this type of training? [/quote]
Just so you know, I never said anything about the ANACONDA Protocol. Just because someone is eating their fast carbs before and during a workout isntead of after the workout doesn’t mean he is following the specific ANACONDA Protocol.
i didnt refer to you my friend… there were many post made! can some one please tell me how i should be doing this as for the way i am training… Thats all i am asking. I really appreciate all your help but no one is telling me what I should actually be doing for my sport. and or how i could do this without buying products. Like naturally if its not with raisins and whey protein before and during, what else is there?
[quote]Merida Trainer wrote:
i didnt refer to you my friend… there were many post made! can some one please tell me how i should be doing this as for the way i am training… Thats all i am asking. I really appreciate all your help but no one is telling me what I should actually be doing for my sport. and or how i could do this without buying products. Like naturally if its not with raisins and whey protein before and during, what else is there?[/quote]
It would help if you laid out your daily training schedule since there’s no way any of us actually know what you’re doing otherwise.
well my lifting which consist of 16 exercises broke down into 4 groups, I do 4 exercises in a row without rest, 10 repetitions each with 1 minute rest between circuits. So i pass through each circuit 3 times and there are 4 circuits total. The routine takes about 45 minutes and i burn around 500 to 600 calories in this session. I do this 2 times a week. I also run early in the morning for 45 minutes on an empty stomach with fat burners and bcaa’s, i do this 2 or 3 times a week. My cardio days consist of sprints, burpees and other things of that nature and will be done 2 times a week. Then I train jiu jitsu 5 nights a week for 2 hours between 8 and 10 at night.
[quote]Merida Trainer wrote:
well my lifting which consist of 16 exercises broke down into 4 groups, I do 4 exercises in a row without rest, 10 repetitions each with 1 minute rest between circuits. So i pass through each circuit 3 times and there are 4 circuits total. The routine takes about 45 minutes and i burn around 500 to 600 calories in this session.[/quote]
Since this is more conditioning than actual strength training, I’d have 1 FINiBAR 30 minutes prior and 1 serving Surge Workout Fuel starting 15 minutes before and finished halfway through the session. Follow with 1 serving MAG-10.
This is probably a bad idea if your goal is improved performance.
Personally, I’d have at least a FINiBAR or a serving of Surge Workout Fuel 15 minutes prior to running, and follow with a serving of MAG-10 afterward.
With all the other training you’re doing, I’d also drop the ‘fat burner,’ since it’s silly to try to boost your metabolic rate further.
Follow the same protocol as before your morning run.
Again, I’d go with 1 FINiBAR 30 minutes prior to training. Then I’d start drinking 2 servings Surge Workout Fuel mixed with 1 serving MAG-10 15 minutes prior and sip throughout workout so that it’s finished by the end. Follow with another serving of MAG-10.
the problem is I live in mexico and the price for these products after taxes is usually a bit much. Can I take the workout fuel with they whey protein I consume here? I will try to buy the Surge Workout Fuel and FINiBARs. What should i do after training? Just wait about an hour and then have my normal meal with complex carbs and lean protein?
i would consider my training intensity maximum! My diet is pretty strict, mono-saturated fats, high protein intake, all carbs are complex except for training times. I eat a lot of green vegetables and also consume a product similar to superfoods. I have 3 large meals, 2 or 3 small one also.
[quote]Merida Trainer wrote:
the problem is I live in mexico and the price for these products after taxes is usually a bit much. Can I take the workout fuel with they whey protein I consume here? I will try to buy the Surge Workout Fuel and FINiBARs. What should i do after training? Just wait about an hour and then have my normal meal with complex carbs and lean protein?[/quote]
I don’t recommend other proteins such as whey during your training as they’ll be heavier on the stomach and may cause bloating and GI distress while training.
In most cases, you should eat as soon as you’re hungry after training. There’s no reason to wait an hour if you’re hungry sooner. You’re training multiple times per day and need to get your food in when you can.
I wouldn’t neglect fruits just because they contain simple sugars, either. It’s a mistake to categorize all sugars as bad, just like it is to categorize all saturated fats as bad. If you’re training hard, it will be good to replenish liver glycogen anyway.
ok thanks for all the help man! Let me just say yesterday i did my weigh circuit and being i dont have all these products right now i had to experiment. I at a little more then half a cup of raisin 45 minutes before training with 2 scoops of whey, 15 minutes before training i drank half a monster energy drink which has maltodextrin in it.
I drank the other half while i trained and sipped another 2 scoops of whey during training also. I felt jacked and actually did lift a little more weight then normal. So I can see where this pri carb loading is a god thing!