Mixing Surge Recovery + Metabolic Drive

Diet and Nutrition
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Ok, so i tried searching on T-Nation wether or not mixing Surge Recovery with Metabolic Drive and if it matters or not, but i cant seem to find a clear answer on the topic…

taking 2 scoops of Surge Recovery just has wayyy to many carbs and not enough protein in it for me, so in order to jack up the protein, i have been mixing 1 scoop of Surge Recovery with 1 scoop of Metabolic Drive, that way i am still getting some a solid amount of simple carbs from the Surge and a better intake of protein as well…just wondering on what some other people think…i cant see why it would really matter if i mixed the two but maybe it does, so what do you guys think??

IronWarrior

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It kinda defeats the purpose of both (fast acting for Surge, and steady release for Metabolic Drive). You could mix Surge and Grow!.

Are you using this PWO?

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dont mess with the carb to protein ratio. dr. Berardi said its the ideal ratio for glycogen refueling, muscle sparing, and muscle growth.

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There’s nothing wrong with this. If you need to mix the ingredients so it fits your ideal macronutrient breakdown then go for it.

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[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:
Ok, so i tried searching on T-Nation wether or not mixing Surge Recovery with Metabolic Drive and if it matters or not, but i cant seem to find a clear answer on the topic…[/quote]

I recommend having your Surge Recovery and then waiting 30 minutes prior to consuming Metabolic Drive.

If you want to mix a protein with Surge Recovery, MAG-10 would be a better choice.

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yes, i mix the 2 for my PWO and i drink it immediately after my workout…it seems like everyone has a different take on it so ill most likely just stick with what im doing…i usually dont workout til like 6-630 at night so after i workout i take my PWO immediately, than i eat dinner around 830ish, and im getting to sleep around 10-11…so the Metabolic Drive is great because of the steady release nature of it im getting my protein throughout the night and the Surge Recovery is giving me my super quick intake of protein/carbs…my meal at night is usually steak/chicken/fish (1 of the 3), with brown rice and some sort of vegetable…

IronWarrior

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[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:
yes, i mix the 2 for my PWO and i drink it immediately after my workout…it seems like everyone has a different take on it so ill most likely just stick with what im doing…i usually dont workout til like 6-630 at night so after i workout i take my PWO immediately, than i eat dinner around 830ish, and im getting to sleep around 10-11…so the Metabolic Drive is great because of the steady release nature of it im getting my protein throughout the night and the Surge Recovery is giving me my super quick intake of protein/carbs…my meal at night is usually steak/chicken/fish (1 of the 3), with brown rice and some sort of vegetable…

IronWarrior[/quote]

The casein will slow the absorbtion of the “fast acting” protein, whey hydrolysate in that case.

If you’re on a budget, you would be served better by adding a scoop of regular whey (altough this would also slow down the whey hydro but really not as much as Metabolic Drive would.)

If you’re not on a budget, than MAG-10 would be, like Mod Brian said, your best option as the protein contained in MAG-10 is absorbed at a faster rate than the one in Surge.

In all case, dont mix both Surge Recovery and Metabollic Drive together, especially not post workout.

From your reasonning you seem to think that by mixing both Surge Recovery and MD you get the benefits from the two products when what ur actually doing is making both product less efficient at doing what they are meant to do

Hope this helps

zraw

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If you’re set on having Metabolic Drive immediately after training, I recommend that you start consuming Surge Recovery just before you begin training and finish the serving by the end of your workout.

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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:
yes, i mix the 2 for my PWO and i drink it immediately after my workout…it seems like everyone has a different take on it so ill most likely just stick with what im doing…i usually dont workout til like 6-630 at night so after i workout i take my PWO immediately, than i eat dinner around 830ish, and im getting to sleep around 10-11…so the Metabolic Drive is great because of the steady release nature of it im getting my protein throughout the night and the Surge Recovery is giving me my super quick intake of protein/carbs…my meal at night is usually steak/chicken/fish (1 of the 3), with brown rice and some sort of vegetable…

IronWarrior[/quote]

The casein will slow the absorbtion of the “fast acting” protein, whey hydrolysate in that case.

If you’re on a budget, you would be served better by adding a scoop of regular whey (altough this would also slow down the whey hydro but really not as much as Metabolic Drive would.)

If you’re not on a budget, than MAG-10 would be, like Mod Brian said, your best option as the protein contained in MAG-10 is absorbed at a faster rate than the one in Surge.

In all case, dont mix both Surge Recovery and Metabolic Drive together, especially not post workout.

From your reasonning you seem to think that by mixing both Surge Recovery and Metabolic Drive you get the benefits from the two products when what ur actually doing is making both product less efficient at doing what they are meant to do

Hope this helps

zraw[/quote]

Great information, thanks alot…And Mod Brian, thank you too…both definitely helped clarify exactly what i was looking for…i will definitely look into MAG-10 soon, but i just recently purchased a shitload off supplements from T-Nation, including Surge, Metabolic Drive, BCAAs, and Alpha-GPC…

So would it make more sense to to drink my Surge Recovery immediately after my workout by itself, than eat my dinnner (which is usually very clean and light), than maybe take a scoop of Metabolic Drive before bed with water???

Pre/During my workout i sip on the Surge Workout Fuel, my workouts are usually very grueling and demanding so the Surge Workout Fuel is amazing i absolutely love it…I feel ilke the Surge during and Post workout is a nice 1.2 punch…let me know what you guys think…
Thanks.

IronWarrior

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my biggest concern is just the amount of Carbs in the Surge Recovery with 2 scoops?? Do either of you have an opinion on the amount?? My workouts are really based around higher reps for endurance training, i run 2 miles a few times a week, i jump rope 10 minutes pre/post working out (im very good at jumping rope not that slow stuff pretty much at a boxers speed) i need my footwork to be very quick becuase i particpate in self defense/martial arts classes a few times a week as well…im also trying to keep my weight between 178-181 because im getting ready for the State Police Academy and i need to be able to run and move…so whatever information you guys could give me would be great, thanks alot…

IronWarrior

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[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:
So would it make more sense to to drink my Surge Recovery immediately after my workout by itself, than eat my dinnner (which is usually very clean and light), than maybe take a scoop of Metabolic Drive before bed with water??? [/quote]

If your workouts primarily involve weight training to build strength and size, I recommend drinking Surge Workout Fuel 15 minutes prior to training through the first half of the workout. Then I’d switch to Surge Recovery for the second half of the workout. If you do this, you should be able to go with your meal or Metabolic Drive 30 to 60 minutes following training.

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[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:
My workouts are really based around higher reps for endurance training, i run 2 miles a few times a week, i jump rope 10 minutes pre/post working out (im very good at jumping rope not that slow stuff pretty much at a boxers speed) i need my footwork to be very quick becuase i particpate in self defense/martial arts classes a few times a week as well…im also trying to keep my weight between 178-181 because im getting ready for the State Police Academy and i need to be able to run and move…[/quote]

There’s no reason that heavy weight training for strength and explosiveness has to slow you down. In fact, you might even get a bit quicker if you follow CT’s Perfect Rep protocol. The strength-endurance part will come from performing a higher number of sets than normal.

As for your carb intake, you need to evaluate your needs based on the intensity and duration of your training. While I don’t necessarily agree with weight training with high reps for endurance, this type of training will still require muscle glycogen to perform optimally, as will running, jump roping, and martial arts training.

From everything I’ve seen, you are better off keeping the peri-workout carbs, to perform well, and limiting your food intake at other times of the day if you need to stay within a certain weight range.