Hey guys got a good one for you today, Im a High school wrestler who has too cut 5-6 pounds before every match. My question today is what would you guys recommend as the best fast “acting” and most sustainable carb source to use for energy during my matches. ( Acting meaning the source that will rejuvenate me and help me fastest. I couldn’t think of a better word then acting) Wiegh ins are typically anywere between 3:30-4:00 and the matches begin at 4:30
So what would you say is the best thing too use to get me back too 100%
Currently at my disposal i have Finibars, Surge Recovery, Quinoa, Fiber one Bread, Bagels, Whey Protien, Gatorade, Pecans and almonds.
What would you guys say??
Any Intelligent helpful responses would be awesome, but ill settle on anything cause i have a match today 12/3/09 hahah thanks again
For quick acting, Surge Recovery would work nicely, however I fear that the quickly absorbed sugars will also quickly leave your system, making you crash half-way through the match.
I would recommend the Finibars, as they would take longer to digest, but should act relatively fast. Plus they can hold water, which I would hazard a guess that you would be depleted in.
I trust you know how many Finibars and how much water you can handle without feeling bloated or weighed down.
Also, I doubt sipping on gatorade would be detrimental.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
I would recommend the Finibars, as they would take longer to digest, but should act relatively fast. Plus they can hold water, which I would hazard a guess that you would be depleted in.
I trust you know how many Finibars and how much water you can handle without feeling bloated or weighed down.[/quote]
We’ve worked with several top boxers and MMA athletes that replied heavily on FINiBAR and Surge Workout Fuel to replenish their bodies after weigh-in.
This strategy has worked quite well in every case I’ve seen.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
I would recommend the Finibars, as they would take longer to digest, but should act relatively fast. Plus they can hold water, which I would hazard a guess that you would be depleted in.
I trust you know how many Finibars and how much water you can handle without feeling bloated or weighed down.[/quote]
We’ve worked with several top boxers and MMA athletes that replied heavily on FINiBAR and Surge Workout Fuel to replenish their bodies after weigh-in.
This strategy has worked quite well in every case I’ve seen.[/quote]
I don’t think it would get much better than this answer besides an IV. I thought they were doing hydration tests now in HS wrestling, but I dunno the rules. I guess 5-6 pounds is very little anyways and seems like a reasonable amount to try to lose. In any case Surge Workout Fuel and FINiBARs are an excellent choice. Definitely consider adding a scoop ANACONDA (if you can afford it) because the additional citrulline malate in the ANACONDA will help you in your match with increased ability to reduce lactic acid and push harder. Also consider Beta-7 and Surge Workout Fuel before regular training sessions.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
I would recommend the Finibars, as they would take longer to digest, but should act relatively fast. Plus they can hold water, which I would hazard a guess that you would be depleted in.
I trust you know how many Finibars and how much water you can handle without feeling bloated or weighed down.[/quote]
We’ve worked with several top boxers and MMA athletes that replied heavily on FINiBAR and Surge Workout Fuel to replenish their bodies after weigh-in.
This strategy has worked quite well in every case I’ve seen.[/quote]
I don’t think it would get much better than this answer besides an IV. I thought they were doing hydration tests now in HS wrestling, but I dunno the rules. I guess 5-6 pounds is very little anyways and seems like a reasonable amount to try to lose. In any case Surge Workout Fuel and FINiBARs are an excellent choice. Definitely consider adding a scoop ANACONDA (if you can afford it) because the additional citrulline malate in the ANACONDA will help you in your match with increased ability to reduce lactic acid and push harder. Also consider Beta-7 and Surge Workout Fuel before regular training sessions.[/quote]
ANACONDA is overkill for such use. Besides, Surge Workout Fuel already contains Citrulline malate.
Mod brain, I had no Surge Workout Fuel on hand at my matches over the weekend so I used Surge Recovery instead. I actually felt that crash silverhydra was talking about. Would you say too drop the Surge Recovery as a postscale drink? Also with the FINiBARs would you say to follow normal directions have them 30-40 minutes before my match, or should i have them as soon as possible. Any tips you have to rehydrate and refuel myself the most efficient and effective way would be awesome
[quote]Jnegro wrote:
Mod brain, I had no Surge Workout Fuel on hand at my matches over the weekend so I used Surge Recovery instead. I actually felt that crash silverhydra was talking about. Would you say too drop the Surge Recovery as a postscale drink? Also with the FINiBARs would you say to follow normal directions have them 30-40 minutes before my match, or should i have them as soon as possible. Any tips you have to rehydrate and refuel myself the most efficient and effective way would be awesome
Thanks alot
J[/quote]
If I may take a stab at this. The Finibars may just be magical here.
If they were made with athletes in mind and post-scale food as a consideration, I believe that the directions would be made for your situation, and would be fine.
As for rehydration, the Finibars have you covered there too.
General rule of thumb I like to follow (Regarding the Crash), the faster a product is absorbed, generally the faster the product will leave the system.
If I may add, the above is true [quote]he faster a product is absorbed, generally the faster the product will leave the system.[/quote] but also keep in mind that you do want fast digesting carbs, but this should be balanced with a slower carb source, and should have a good dose of protein (fast and slow) and be followed up with a bit of fat to slow the absorption.
IMO, ideal would be 1-2 scoop(s) of SWF and a 1-3 Finibars depending on weight and if you’re still trying to get to a more comfortable weight AND bring along with you a bit of chicken and rice and eat as much or as little as your stomach is comfortable with. What you can also take which will not hurt is additional citrulline malate. The Anaconda protocol has a hefty dose of citrulline malate (somewhere in the ball park of 30+ grams) which is way more than 1-2 scoops of SWF, thus why I said you can take Anaconda IN ADDITION to SWF and Finibars.
Surge Recovery and Anaconda are not really suited to your needs, although you can make them work out for you if you want to bother with a more complicated supplement scheme. They would work if you make sure to balance the mix of protein and carbs (1 gram protein per 2-3 grams carbs for a very rough estimate) and make sure the mix of carbs is right too - slow and fast digesting carbs should be 1:1.
That would mean if you use surge recovery you’d need to add a couple of finibars and perhaps also take the citrulline malate and Beta Alanine that you’re missing by not taking the SWF. If you chose Anaconda, you’re need about 3 Finibars to get enough slow and fast carbs, anc consider taking a beta-7 pill. That all seems like too much effort to me, but you can add a scoop of Anaconda, as I originally stated, as long as you follow the recommendations about SWF and Finibars and you won’t have to worry about any crash and also without worrying that you’re lacking something.
But it may very well be overkill, but like I said it won’t hurt. You can try the SWF plus Finibar thing for a while and then consider adding Anaconda. MAG-10 would also be a great choice for after your match. And Alpha-GPC is a great pre match supplement cause it gets you in the zone without any jitters. If you’re ever taken Advocare’s Spark, it’s way better than that, but a little more subtle. I didn’t like the crash from Spark.
[quote]Jnegro wrote:
Mod brain, I had no Surge Workout Fuel on hand at my matches over the weekend so I used Surge Recovery instead. I actually felt that crash silverhydra was talking about. Would you say too drop the Surge Recovery as a postscale drink? Also with the FINiBARs would you say to follow normal directions have them 30-40 minutes before my match, or should i have them as soon as possible. Any tips you have to rehydrate and refuel myself the most efficient and effective way would be awesome
Thanks alot
J[/quote]
Yeah, Surge Recovery really isn’t appropriate for such use, which is why I didn’t recommend it.
You want to start consuming carbohydrate-rich foods and fluid as soon as possible after weigh-in. We’ve recommended a minimum of 1 FINiBAR and 1 serving of Surge Workout Fuel per hour with the fighters we’ve worked with, although this would be increased if there was a limited time before the meet.
[quote]Jnegro wrote:
Wiegh ins are typically anywere between 3:30-4:00 and the matches begin at 4:30[/quote]
You might also want to check out the Combat forum to see what they have to say:
[quote]ill settle on anything cause i have a match today
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I had no Surge Workout Fuel on hand at my matches over the weekend so I used Surge Recovery instead. I actually felt that crash silverhydra was talking about.[/quote]
This is why we don’t experiment with new nutrition/supplement protocols on the day of an event. Did you win?
Always test a new strategy out at least a few weeks beforehand to see how you react.
I’d see how you respond to two Finibars and two scoops Surge Workout Fuel in about 32 ounces of water as soon as you step off the scale, when that’s done, nurse/sip another two scoops Surge Workout Fuel w/ 32 ounces of water until 15-20 minutes before the match, and then have one more Finibar with water.
That’s very ballpark without knowing more details (how you dropped the 5-6 pounds, how long it took, etc.) and you’d tweak the plan depending on how you feel weight-wise and performance-wise.
Because of the tight timeframe you’re working with, you’ll want to balance getting the nutrients you need and bringing your weight back to what it was, without ending up sloshing around a gut full of water.
Thanks alot for the replys, yeah i won but by the skin of my teeth locking up a cradle for the fall at 5:30 after i was down by 2 all match… haha. But thanks alot. it looks like i should go ahead and by SWF did not think it was necessary, but now im thinking otherwise. Thank you for all the replys.
Just ordered some SWF and curcumin (To help with the recovery on sunday’s a little haha) Chris I will be starting your protocol as soon as it gets here, got a pretty big tournament Saturday, lets hope it makes it in time.
Should i still graze on carbs and proteins after weigh-ins or is that overkill?
[quote]Jnegro wrote:
Should i still graze on carbs and proteins after weigh-ins or is that overkill?[/quote]
There’s really no need to. Anything you eat will just “get in the way” of the fast-digesting FINiBARs and Surge Workout Fuel.
The way they’re designed, you’ll already be providing your body exactly what it needs and then some. Like Mod Brian explained, this is an application that’s been very effective.
Christian Thibaudeau has said he’s had bodybuilders successfully carb up using only FINiBARs on the day of a competition (I think he said one guy went through two cases in a day). Your situation isn’t quite that extreme, but it does show that, when you’re prepping for an event, FINiBARs are one of the best foods around.
I have no experience with FINiBARs, but after weigh-ins first thing I do is drink a pedialyte. This helps rehydrate, and provides some (not tons) of fast carbs. then I have a scoop of whey protein and some quinoa with honey. I really like quinoa as far as sustained carbs go; during tournaments I eat quinoa throughout the day between matches.
So one more question for you Chris, does the protocol change if im not cutting any wieght, what would you advise as a good meal before the day of the tournament too have good energy levels going into it?
[quote]Jnegro wrote:
So one more question for you Chris, does the protocol change if im not cutting any wieght, what would you advise as a good meal before the day of the tournament too have good energy levels going into it? [/quote]
In this situation, no one meal will be the difference between winning and losing. In sports where weigh-ins (and last minute cuts) are necessary, the most important thing is going to be trying to drop that weight as quickly as possible, and then put it back on just as fast.
So I’d eat normally (whatever “normally” is for you), drop weight however you’ve decided to drop weight, weigh-in, and then replenish with the FINiBARs and Surge Workout Fuel.
If you didn’t have to drop weight, and assuming you usually follow a low carb diet, it could be beneficial to have a relatively-higher carb meal or two the day of your tournament (just like bodybuilders who carb cycle will have higher carbs on the days of their toughest workouts). But if your regular diet isn’t carb-restricted, there’s no super benefit to “carbing up” since your body wouldn’t have much room to carb up from. Make sense?