Pre-Contest Cycle

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[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Dave1188 wrote:
Cortes wrote:
Dave1188 wrote:
Anyway i understand the skepticism based on half the retards posting about aas here. Enough typing, time to get back on the treadmill.

You got it, Dave. Honestly, man, I really do hope you do well.

I believe you will see way up at the top of the post that I asked why you are using cyp for a pre-contest cycle. I am using dbol right now myself (but will drop it in another week and a half and still have 10 weeks before my own show) and it has me more bloated than I would like to be. I hope yours is the same situation. Good luck.

yea last week i started doing cardio 2x1hour a day instead of 1 and hopefully the lasix do their job.i just dont wanna drop below heavywight by the day of the show. it is what it is cause theres no point in sacraficing conditioning for mass.

In my experience don’t worry about coming in a certain weight class. The only reason for worrying about what weight class to be in is if you know you’d get your ass whipped in a lighter class due to height. For example. I’m 6 feet tall and if I go heavyweight or light heavy there really isn’t much of a difference. Now if I dropped down to middleweight then the shorter guys would whip my ass because I’d lose too much size and with my height just look like a skinny mo-fo. But if your debating heavy/light heavy then go with whatever puts you in the best condition for your show.

Also don’t rely on lasix, remember it’s just water your losing here, you can’t flex fat. If you don’t lose the fat, lasix won’t do a damn bit of good. lol I’m sure you knew this but I’m just re-clarifying. lol

If your talking about the lasix doing it’s job with the cyp then you might have another story. I have no experience with aas and little knowledge but what I do know is that most bodybuilders who run test up to a show run test propionate with arimidex. It might be something to consider. This will help with the water retention problem as much so, or better than the lasix from what I’ve seen. Change to prop and do lasix and I’ve personally seen guys peeled, no water problems or bloating at all.

my .02 again. lol

Good luck man

Gerdy

yea man thats what im saying, i not going to cut to a certain weight, just get as lean as possible and hopefully im over 198. i would rather not come in lightheavy because then everyones goin to be 5’7-5’10 and that just makes me look lengthy at 6’2. at this point im just goin to keep running the cyp and hope proviron and the lasix combined with cutting out the rest of the sodium will dry me up. i wish i would of went with prop though, its just too late now to get it in time for when i need it. I started my clen today, im not thinking its goin to melt the weight off but it should help. also regretting not spending a few exra $$ and getting some t3[/quote]

right on man. Post some pics at the comp and let me know how you do.

Good luck

Gerdy

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Dave, sorry to break it to you - especially as i read you don’t like to hear some stuff… but what are friends for?

You are not in the condition to be using lasix, proviron and sodium to drop sub-cut water etc… you have “some” fat left to go, quite a bit as your contest is pretty near.

I think you will miss the mark a little unless you revise your diet sharp! How about looking to review your dietary plan and drastically change it… 3 weeks PLUS a little lasix if ya really want to, would be a good way to go.

Let me link you a youtube of a guy who posts here when he was 3 weeks out and you compare…

Good luck tho, and i mean it… i just want you to be the best you can be. And i personally do not think water is the main culprit here…

Joe

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That’s a good idea to record yourself with a camera so that you can correct errors in form. I see a few places I would clean up on that guy’s poses.

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[quote]Joe Joseph wrote:
Dave, sorry to break it to you - especially as i read you don’t like to hear some stuff… but what are friends for?

You are not in the condition to be using lasix, proviron and sodium to drop sub-cut water etc… you have “some” fat left to go, quite a bit as your contest is pretty near.

I think you will miss the mark a little unless you revise your diet sharp! How about looking to review your dietary plan and drastically change it… 3 weeks PLUS a little lasix if ya really want to, would be a good way to go.

Let me link you a youtube of a guy who posts here when he was 3 weeks out and you compare…

Good luck tho, and i mean it… i just want you to be the best you can be. And i personally do not think water is the main culprit here…

Joe[/quote]

i think u miss understood me, im not relying on lasix,prov… its goin to help but i realize i have fat to burn. my cardio and diet have been adjusted. i currently have dropped the carbs from 200 to cycling between 100-150. monday i will drop them again by 50. cardio is now 2hours a day split up am/pm coming from 1 hour split. I will leave the cardio but the carbs will continue to drop til the end.

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When is your show?

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Dude, everyone needs to start somewhere. These shows are a learning experiances. You do need to lean out a bit, but alot can be done in three weeks if you want to put in the work.

You said you are doing cardio twice a day. Make sure your morning seesion if before you eat. Keep the intensity high, i usually prefer to walk on an incline. If i were you i would drop your carbs down to 100 grams a day and only eat green vegatables like beans or broccoli.

Also increse your protein intake, this will help to lean you out and dry you out. If you are still on the cyp get off now, this will drop some water. If you have some cash go buy some winstrol, this will also strip water and prevent you from losing muscle mass.

Your 20 and on gear, it could be alot worse you could be a 20 year old crack addict. If you wanna use gear do it. But be safe

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[quote]jaredbr wrote:
Dude, everyone needs to start somewhere. These shows are a learning experiances. You do need to lean out a bit, but alot can be done in three weeks if you want to put in the work.

You said you are doing cardio twice a day. Make sure your morning seesion if before you eat. Keep the intensity high, i usually prefer to walk on an incline. If i were you i would drop your carbs down to 100 grams a day and only eat green vegatables like beans or broccoli. Also increse your protein intake, this will help to lean you out and dry you out. If you are still on the cyp get off now, this will drop some water. If you have some cash go buy some winstrol, this will also strip water and prevent you from losing muscle mass.

Your 20 and on gear, it could be alot worse you could be a 20 year old crack addict. If you wanna use gear do it. But be safe [/quote]

well yea im deffinetly scrambling to tighten up here but i think i will be ready. My diet is:
meal 1: half whey / casien shake with water (50g Protein), 1/2 cup oats (steel cut)

meal 2: 8oz fish, sweet potato,steamed green beans

Meal 3: 3 chicken breasts, 1/2 cup oats

Meal 4: post workout whey and water (50g Protein)

Meal 5: 20 steamed tiger shrimp with mrs.dash

Meal 6: 3 chicken breasts

Meal 7: 10 egg whites

thats as far as i usually get but i try to eat every 3 hours so if im up later i will just continue to eat all protien with some greens sometimes. the carbs will be cut down again by 50 next week.

Also i am currently taking 100mg/day of winny tabs

oh and the show is may 24th

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I think it is good you are cutting down carbs. That amount your eating seems a bit much from your pics. But then again you know your body better than anybody here.

On the nutrition and exercise part I agree with Jared. I’d add some bcaa in the morning before your cardio on an empty stomach. Even tho you are on aas these will still help preserve muscle imo.

As far as steroids go I only know what I read cause I’ve yet to use.

hope that further helps…good luck man

Gerdy

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I think it is good you are cutting down carbs. That amount your eating seems a bit much from your pics. But then again you know your body better than anybody here.

On the nutrition and exercise part I agree with Jared. I’d add some bcaa in the morning before your cardio on an empty stomach. Even tho you are on aas these will still help preserve muscle imo.

As far as steroids go I only know what I read cause I’ve yet to use.

hope that further helps…good luck man

Gerdy[/quote]

yea hopefully i know my body as well as i think i do lol. I dont see the reasoning behind bcaa use while on all this gear. In a nut shell all they do is speed up protein synthesis and i think i have all those basis covered.

If someone know let me know i have them on hand for when im off i could start taking them, i just dident see the point. Oh and i forgot on the diet. I am also taking 3g fish oil and 6g flax oil both in softgels before bed with my last all protein meal.

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If you are doing cardio in a fasted state in the morning your body still needs amino acids to function. The only source your body has of this is muscle tissue.

Yes your body is more anabolic with the gear but that’s like saying you don’t need to take protein with steroids to get big…get what I’m saying?

All the other supplements should still be taken as far as I’m concerned. I’m pretty sure everybody else will recommend something in your gut before cardio…aas or not.

Gerdy

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
If you are doing cardio in a fasted state in the morning your body still needs amino acids to function. The only source your body has of this is muscle tissue.

Yes your body is more anabolic with the gear but that’s like saying you don’t need to take protein with steroids to get big…get what I’m saying?

All the other supplements should still be taken as far as I’m concerned. I’m pretty sure everybody else will recommend something in your gut before cardio…aas or not.

Gerdy[/quote]

yea i understand what your saying. i did not understand u meant bcaa’s pre morning cardio if i wasent to eat. i have been thinking about just getting a isolate shake in right before i jump on the treadmill but yea in this case bcaa’s would work well. Also i have a question about sodium i know im goin to cut it out all the way about 8 days out but as for now i have been getting very little sodium trying to shake this water weight. does it matter? can i afford to get some more sodium until i get real close?

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[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
jaredbr wrote:
Dude, everyone needs to start somewhere. These shows are a learning experiances. You do need to lean out a bit, but alot can be done in three weeks if you want to put in the work.

You said you are doing cardio twice a day. Make sure your morning seesion if before you eat. Keep the intensity high, i usually prefer to walk on an incline. If i were you i would drop your carbs down to 100 grams a day and only eat green vegatables like beans or broccoli. Also increse your protein intake, this will help to lean you out and dry you out. If you are still on the cyp get off now, this will drop some water. If you have some cash go buy some winstrol, this will also strip water and prevent you from losing muscle mass.

Your 20 and on gear, it could be alot worse you could be a 20 year old crack addict. If you wanna use gear do it. But be safe

well yea im deffinetly scrambling to tighten up here but i think i will be ready. My diet is:
meal 1: half whey / casien shake with water (50g Protein), 1/2 cup oats (steel cut)

meal 2: 8oz fish, sweet potato,steamed green beans

Meal 3: 3 chicken breasts, 1/2 cup oats

Meal 4: post workout whey and water (50g Protein)

Meal 5: 20 steamed tiger shrimp with mrs.dash

Meal 6: 3 chicken breasts

Meal 7: 10 egg whites

thats as far as i usually get but i try to eat every 3 hours so if im up later i will just continue to eat all protien with some greens sometimes. the carbs will be cut down again by 50 next week.

Also i am currently taking 100mg/day of winny tabs

oh and the show is may 24th[/quote]

meal 1: whey with water (50g Protein),

meal 2: 12oz fish, 3tbsp cream of wheat,100 grams steamed green beans

Meal 3: 3 chicken breasts, 100grams broccoli/beans

Meal 4: post workout whey and water (50g Protein)

Meal 5: 8 oz fish 100 grams beans or broccoli

Meal 6: 3 chicken breasts

Meal 7: 10 egg whites

Just my opinion but i would switch to this

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Dont worry about sodium, right now. your water will drop when you cut your sodium at 8 days. Right now just focus on getting lean. Do not wait to drop carbs drop them now.

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[quote]jaredbr wrote:
Dont worry about sodium, right now. your water will drop when you cut your sodium at 8 days. Right now just focus on getting lean. Do not wait to drop carbs drop them now.[/quote]

Exactly and I second Jared’s diet as well.

Gerdy

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ok well i was looking forward to feeling even worse next week but i guess i could start the fun now. thanks guys.

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How big are those chicken breasts? The ones I eat are 250-300 grams (8 to 10 oz.) and I have trouble imagining choking down two, much less three!

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
How big are those chicken breasts? The ones I eat are 250-300 grams (8 to 10 oz.) and I have trouble imagining choking down two, much less three![/quote]

i weigh them out to a total of 12-13 oz a serving which comes out to be 2-3 breasts. Sometimes i get bigger ones and in that case i would just eat 1 or 1-1/2 breasts. god i would kill for a t-bone right now lol

just wondering cortez and i dont know if this is a dumb question but how are groceries in japan? ( like prices, availability…) i imagine that the sushi is pretty good (maybe cheaper than here?). i also had a bad craving for sushi today. I got a place here that will make it with brown rice if u ask them, i was hitting that place up a couple times a week when my diet started and wasent so strict.

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Sushi here is great and cheap compared to America, though you sure as hell aren’t going to find one where you can get brown rice! Groceries in general SUCK! Especially where I live. Food is expensive overall and there is NO selection.

Basically no spices to flavor your chicken. No cottage cheese. All of the grocery stores, big or small, carry the exact same products. The isolationism severely limits this country and keeps is completely uniform (which is what most Japanese want, ugh).

Luckily there is a service that will deliver groceries from Costco to your door, so I can get some good stuff here for fairly cheap.

I would say, if you are a bodybuilder, Japan is by far not the best place to live. Then again, gear is legal for personal use, so…

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Hows your results going david??

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[quote]Joe Joseph wrote:
Hows your results going david??[/quote]

goin pretty good. im so happy i just finished school so i have been really able to eat on time for the most part. Im just getting real tired especially after i train. The clen is a great thermogenic, i am really hot all day. Its goin to be down to the line but i think i will be ready.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Sushi here is great and cheap compared to America, though you sure as hell aren’t going to find one where you can get brown rice! Groceries in general SUCK! Especially where I live. Food is expensive overall and there is NO selection. Basically no spices to flavor your chicken. No cottage cheese. All of the grocery stores, big or small, carry the exact same products. The isolationism severely limits this country and keeps is completely uniform (which is what most Japanese want, ugh).

Luckily there is a service that will deliver groceries from Costco to your door, so I can get some good stuff here for fairly cheap.

I would say, if you are a bodybuilder, Japan is by far not the best place to live. Then again, gear is legal for personal use, so…[/quote]

sushi sounds good man, i wish there was a place i could go for sushi that dident cost 20+ with my appetite. And i shop a lot at sams club so thats awsome u can get costco, i couldent afford to eat without it.