Powerlifting to Olympic Lifting

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[quote]Sepukku wrote:
What’s wrong with Ernesto “El Che” Guevarra?[/quote]

The fact that you have to ask seems a little niave.

I’m not saying the guy was the devil incarnate. But let’s see,

-Needlessly murdering children, and not in the Vietnam “babykillers!” heat-of-combat way. More in just the murderous way.

-Communist, admittedly communism hadn’t reached the full span of atrocities that Stalin would stretch it to, but he (Stalin) and Lenin had already shown it not to be very liberating.

-Ineffectual in action, how many countries did he “liberate”? Cuba? So, having abolished a ruthless dictator and establishing a communist leadership, Cuba went on to be a jewel of the West a beacon of hope and freedom, with such prosperity he felt the need to spread such blissful governing ideals to places like the Congo and did so in a peaceful manner without needlessly sacrificing lives or money. Succeeding in the Congo, he went on to bravely liberate several other… Oh wait, Cuba is a toilet that people die trying to emmigrate from, he sacrificed lots of Cubans and the Congo is still a wreck, and he died in Bolivia because he was too embarassed to go to Cuba and “got talked out of” dieing in the Congo.

-Delusional, the idea of Ibero-America as he describes it (especially at that time) sounds like something Hitler would dream up.

-Effectual in idea, he wrote the book on guerilla warfare (Mao should get some credit too) and used it to both get a lot of people killed and to kill lots of people. Not really faulting him for this, just saying that it makes wearing him on a t-shirt look kinda grim.

You can dispute any of these (we probably ought to move to the politics forum), but IMO to call Che a freedom fighter and emblason t-shirts with him, despise Osama, Hitler, and the Confederacy represents a kind of inconsistency to say the least. Especially since the t-shirts were probably made with third world, Central American labor.

He was a decent poet though.

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Dez- Keep in mind a couple things on this young man’s numbers. First, a Z-suit may not give a whole lot unless it is real tight- even then it is still a modest piece of gear. I’ve squatted in a single Champion (same material different cut)- I got maybe 50 lbs out of it when it was new- st that time, it was tight enough that the straps left dents in my traps that lasted for days. Also, as many have learned before, dpending on how you train in the gym, gym numbers often don’t carry over to the platform well- i.e. nobody will redlight you for squat-depth or double-pumping in the gym.

Who the hell cares if you rock the dixie cross. But keep mind that this is not historically a symbol of regional pride but rather an arcane military banner that was resurrected in the 1950’s by Southern politicians and added to state flags to protest Supreme Court mandated school integration. Christ- what other lame symbols will be people co-opt from state flags to make? Sheaves of wheat, characters in togas-probably not irreverent enough.

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
alright so i dont know anything about squat suits and bench shirts and knee wraps and such…

but when using them shouldnt your numbers be significantly better than your raw numbers? a 355 squat with or without the suit and wraps is not as impressive as a 345x3 squat…or am i missing something?

i would think someone that hits that three times should be able to squat 370+. perhaps im missing something here. also, the raw bench, and im not going to rag on how its not that impressive to begin with, is more impressive than a 205 shirted bench…to me at least.

it seems the only thing that has really gone anywhere is that deadlift. i dont mean to be rude, maybe im missing something. i do recall reading something about those squat suits being pretty restrictive and making it hard to even hit parallel with max weights…dont know who said that, but if this is along the same lines, just keep in mind i dont know anything about suited/shirted lifts[/quote]

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
Sepukku wrote:
What’s wrong with Ernesto “El Che” Guevarra?

The fact that you have to ask seems a little niave.

I’m not saying the guy was the devil incarnate. But let’s see,

-Needlessly murdering children, and not in the Vietnam “babykillers!” heat-of-combat way. More in just the murderous way.

-Communist, admittedly communism hadn’t reached the full span of atrocities that Stalin would stretch it to, but he (Stalin) and Lenin had already shown it not to be very liberating.

-Ineffectual in action, how many countries did he “liberate”? Cuba? So, having abolished a ruthless dictator and establishing a communist leadership, Cuba went on to be a jewel of the West a beacon of hope and freedom, with such prosperity he felt the need to spread such blissful governing ideals to places like the Congo and did so in a peaceful manner without needlessly sacrificing lives or money. Succeeding in the Congo, he went on to bravely liberate several other… Oh wait, Cuba is a toilet that people die trying to emmigrate from, he sacrificed lots of Cubans and the Congo is still a wreck, and he died in Bolivia because he was too embarassed to go to Cuba and “got talked out of” dieing in the Congo.

-Delusional, the idea of Ibero-America as he describes it (especially at that time) sounds like something Hitler would dream up.

-Effectual in idea, he wrote the book on guerilla warfare (Mao should get some credit too) and used it to both get a lot of people killed and to kill lots of people. Not really faulting him for this, just saying that it makes wearing him on a t-shirt look kinda grim.

You can dispute any of these (we probably ought to move to the politics forum), but IMO to call Che a freedom fighter and emblason t-shirts with him, despise Osama, Hitler, and the Confederacy represents a kind of inconsistency to say the least. Especially since the t-shirts were probably made with third world, Central American labor.

He was a decent poet though.[/quote]

Fascinating point of view! I should also be criticized for rocking the “Spartan Shield” as my avatar. The reality is the Spartans kicked the shit out of, and enslaved countless people. They ran a system of apartheid over the Helots 2000 years before the South Africans were held in contempt by be the rest of the World Furthermore, how many people have been tortured and killed under the glory of the Christian cross (see Spanish inquisition, Crusades etc…)? But i still wear one around my neck.

It’s funny how some historical symbols/people are sooooo offensive and others are viewed as cool and fashionable. It all depends on which side of the fence you are on I guess. So LA_Powerlifer, go ahead and rock that flag if you like because I sure as hell have no right to criticize you.

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I’d say compete in Powerlifting for another year or so… Pretty good lifts for 16. Your bench is ridiculously low though. I could put that up when I was 16 and I weighed 135-140 (how’s that for some motivation).

Best of luck to you in whatever you choose to do. I’m partial to Olifting but high bar back squats have bugged my knees lately and the switch to a wider stance has been GREAT.

Rock whatever flag is your preference… Hell I’d do it specifically just to piss people off :slight_smile:

My opinion is that you need to push up your basic lifts some more in PLing of course you can switch to Oly’s and still be doing the same thing. Cause no matter which sport you choose, you’ll still be squatting. You should, and can be stronger though.

I’m not that much older than you:

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175#
bench 315x1
Squat 405x3
Pull 425x1

Come on I know you can beat my lightweight ass! :slight_smile:

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I work with hundreds of teens a day and your numbers raw or not are low…esp. at your bodyweight. I realize the technique thing is an issue (that issue takes about twenty minutes to fix), but your overall numbers are low.

After three years of training, I would think your numbers would be much, much higher. A couple of questions…

  1. Do you train at home or in a gym?
  2. Do you have access to some basic coaching…high school PE coach, football coach, former college athlete?
  3. What kind of diet do you follow?

I am not ripping on you at all…just trying to get a handle on it.

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Klip- that’s a cool pick of Hamman in his PL days. I always heard he was bad dude in the IPF/USAPL- but I have never seen any pics before. I can’t imagine walking out 9 or 10 bills much less squatting it in bullshit IPF-legal gear. Man, if that guy ever put on some real gear and lifted APF/WPO, he would be a beast.

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Whoa … I didn’t think I would get this much response to my post … or my flag !

First things first, I go to West Monroe High School … and we are the REBELS … so … we rep the Confederate flag … and … what pansy wouldn’t rep the south !?!

With that out of the way, I can update on my progress …

I had a meet on 1-21-06 and my numbers looked like this:

SQUAT - 405 (killed it)
BENCH - 175 (BS calls on my 2nd and 3rd attempts … freakin judges!)
DEAD-LIFT - 450 (pretty easy)

I know that the week prior to that, I squatted 355 x 3 with my suit and knee wraps …

I’m still making pretty good progress, and though I took the week off from the gym, I’m already working on the transition to Olympic lifting.

I’ve been doing some light 1-arm DB snatches … and I’m addicted … I can’t wait to hit the gym …

I’m from the part of Louisiana just SOUTH of Arkansas, so … I’m not close enough to Baton Rouge to talk to Gayle Hatch …

TO “DANNY JOHN”:

  1. I do my heavy training at a gym … usually alone

  2. I have access to coaching, but only in powerlifting, Olympic lifting is never discussed, even though the football team does power-cleans (I think those are Olympic)

  3. I don’t follow a really strict diet, but, if I feel like I need more protien, I go eat some meat or eggs or I mix up a big protien shake … If I feel like I need carbs I’ll find carbs … I just try to eat what I feel that I need …

And yes, my bench is homo-low, but … I have no idea what the deal is …

Anyways … thanks for all the help/suggestions … and please keep them coming …

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Squat opener from my last meet - 355#

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2nd Squat attempt at last meet - 385#

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3rd Squat attempt - 405#

This is the last of my meet pictures … cause I had to chose between pictures or video for the rest of the meet, and I chose video …

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Okay, this is my last picture for now … its a picture of my back from a week or so ago … not that its defined or anything … but that’s something that I’m gonna work on during the off season …

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whats up your a strong kid. do you play football? i play for bellevue but anyway here are my stats are:
5’11 182lbs
BENCH: 210
SQUAT:325
DEADLIFT:425

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Ignorance truely is bliss.

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[quote]BigPaul wrote:
bamit wrote:
And rock the Rebel flag if you choose.

Can I rock the nazi flag too? I’m full-blooded German and proud of my language and culture and since the nazi invasion of western europe was the last organizationally uniting movement (even if it was forced on some people) of those people who share many aspects of my culture (some western polls and western checz, austrians, the swiss, the danish, and a host of others). Do you know how much shit I would catch for doing that, even though my intention would have been a far cry from the symbolism the vast majority of people associate with the nazi flag and other such nazi symbolism?[/quote]

He’s sixteen and probably thinks the dukes of Hazzard are cool, so cut him a break.

At least he’s not wearing makeup and painting his nails.

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you’re still young enough to quit rocking the confederate flag.[/quote]

Oh Yeah, please stop rocking the Confederate Flag.[/quote]

Why is it everybody has a problem with the stars and bars. Alot of you sport some sort of flag around you. Puerto Ricans put thier flag in thier car windows for example and check out any MMA or boxing bout and the contenders got his flag in his corner.(nobody gets mad @ that and thier not even American).

The Confederate flag does not mean were a bunch of overall wearing, sister doing, toothless wonders, Its a symbol of ones southern heitage. And go ahead and bring up the slavery thing case im a 6th gen. floridian of Irish decent, my ancestors were so dumb they were talked into being slaves on a railroad.

Theres nothing wrong for showing a little Southern pride every now and then.

The nazi flag? Sotherners never tried to committ mass genocide on a specific race or for ones religious beliefs. Yes there were southern black soldiers
how about a nazi jew. I dont think so.

P.S. LA_Powerlifter Your bench is waaaaayyyyyy weak, maybe add some more tris to your routine.

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There’s nothing wrong rocking a flag like that to express your feelings. Just don’t be suprised if someone else expresses themself in their own way back…maybe a little more physical than a flag though.

“Ow, oh get off me. No, don’t stick that flag up there. Ahh…”

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Che killed children?

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[quote]BigPaul wrote:
bamit wrote:
And rock the Rebel flag if you choose.

Can I rock the nazi flag too? I’m full-blooded German and proud of my language and culture and since the nazi invasion of western europe was the last organizationally uniting movement (even if it was forced on some people) of those people who share many aspects of my culture (some western polls and western checz, austrians, the swiss, the danish, and a host of others). Do you know how much shit I would catch for doing that, even though my intention would have been a far cry from the symbolism the vast majority of people associate with the nazi flag and other such nazi symbolism?[/quote]

What would be really cool is if we could get ONE thread that stays on topic…I doubt that will ever happen.

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[quote]mcnasty13 wrote:
Why is it everybody has a problem with the stars and bars. Alot of you sport some sort of flag around you. Puerto Ricans put thier flag in thier car windows for example and check out any MMA or boxing bout and the contenders got his flag in his corner.(nobody gets mad @ that and thier not even American).
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I have a problem with it a) because of what it represents -the confederacy, and therefore by extension its ideals (which many find quite derogatory and racist, but hey, I guess racially based slavery could have just been coencidental though)- and b) I think it is wise to advise this young fellow, or any like-minded person for that matter, against displaying it as in some places the repercussions could be quite severe (in some of the places that I have lived in my life one would likely be jumped and given a thorough beating if they were to display the flag or vestiges thereof)

And how many of these people’s flags are associated with movements to maintain the enslavement of persons? None that I am aware of.

Obviously it doesn’t mean these things about southerners, although it certainly does not help to dissipate such stereotypes when displayed prominently.

Not at all, I would just like to see some inventiveness rather than the age old use of this symbol that many deem to be quite offensive by virtue of some of those things that it represents.

Enslavement on a racial basis and mass murder based on religion, are you actually trying to claim one action has some moral high ground over the other here?

There actually were some jewish nazis. The obviously didn’t actually believe the nazi propaganda, nor were they openly jewish, they simply did what they had to do in order to survive. They are actually making, or may have finished making a film about one such jewish couple, I believe it is called ‘the ayrian couple’.