[quote]Paul33 wrote:
but that would then mean that weightclasses are obsolete? do you think anyone is a greater powerlifter than ed coan? also that insecurity thing, maybe people just dont like to be fat fucks? when the hell was that a negative thing? i suppose every lean powerlifter is massively insecure[/quote]
If being fat was acceptable to society - do you think people would worry about being thin?
There’s a trend going on in this country that being fat is unacceptable. I would agree w/ obesity and being unhealthy being frowned upon. But being overweight by some bullshit standard that only third worlders could live up to is just nonsense.
Focus more on how you perform and less on how you look. If the two go hand in hand - Great! You have been blessed w/ very good genetics. But if not and you’re a powerlifter - focus on getting stronger and pushing more weight. That is the goal and if not, why bother competing? [/quote]
i find this “strong at all costs” mentality to be dumb. you can be strong and lean. just because you havent done it doesnt mean that the majority cant with an intelligent approach. theres nothing wrong with wanting to be big, strong and lean, and to fuck alot of women. being “overweight” as in not lean for a few months a year isnt too big a deal but this “oh im fat, im fine with it, i like lifting more, so ill just get fatter” is bizarre
[quote]Rock978 wrote:
I’ll put it this way: the SHW from the example above has the strength to deadlift 605 lbs. The 132er does not have the strength needed to deadlift 605 lbs. As far as the deadlift is concerned, the SHW is stronger.
If that makes you upset or insecure, fine. Go ahead and tell the whole internet from behind your little keyboard about how often you get laid, but it won’t change the truth and that’s really not what any of us are here to talk about.[/quote]
There’s a lot of bad things that happen when you’re trying to get laid and if you mess w/ the wrong girl - just use your imagination.
a husband or boyfriend is gonna probably wanna kill you if he finds you.
diseases
psychological stuff
unwanted pregnancy
Think about it. Even if there is someone out there who deserves to get screwed, are you the one who wants to be the judge?
I won’t go any further w/ this cuz it ain’t really topic specific; but you asked why I said that.
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“husband or boyfriend” unlikely and probably not going to find you if they do exist, and probably not going to be an issue
“diseases” wear a condom and dont fuck crackwhores
“psychological stuff” like what!? i would say there are far worse psychological sides from girlfriends speaking from experience
“unwanted pregnancy” condoms. and if that fails, oh well im not the pregnant one
these all seem to be attempts at rationalising not getting women
“Even if there is someone out there who deserves to get screwed, are you the one who wants to be the judge?”
if by this you mean making somebody a cuckold, no cuckold ever didnt bring it on themselves
god this is off track but it was a shit thread to begin with so oh well
[quote]Rock978 wrote:
And whoever made the comment about “I still like to get laid” just proved my point about the insecurity of guys who focus on strength:body weight ratios.
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How does that prove your point? If I turn into a fat 242 at 5’6, getting with moderately attractive women would be worlds harder. I fucking love powerlifting. But fuck all the retards on this site. Its the reason we don’t have any of the actually strong and helpful guys here anymore.[/quote]
Ed Coan was 5-6 242. Was he a fat ass?
See, if your focus wasn’t on getting laid, you wouldn’t have anything to worry about. Why waste time chasing something so difficult and dangerous these days? Find a good woman, get married, have kids and live the good life. Problem is: many guys are more committed to looking good than committed to anything else. Straight up vanity.
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Are you fucking serious mate? Budreiser is natty, how the shit is he gonna get to a solid 242 like Coan? Lol. He’s not vain and obsessed with his 6 pack or getting laid, trust me. Any natural, raw powerlifter actually worth a shit knows that extra fat isn’t going to make you any better; it’s just useless mass. You will be the most competitive by staying lean and staying in a weight class appropriate for you. Without drugs you aren’t going to find many guys at 5’6" who have any business being beyond the 181’s.
Vytautas Lalas is only 5’10" and a pretty solid 330. So there ya go why not just get to a lean 300lbs at sub 6ft. No problem right? Rofl.
Are you fucking serious mate? Budreiser is natty, how the shit is he gonna get to a solid 242 like Coan? Lol. He’s not vain and obsessed with his 6 pack or getting laid, trust me. Any natural, raw powerlifter actually worth a shit knows that extra fat isn’t going to make you any better; it’s just useless mass. You will be the most competitive by staying lean and staying in a weight class appropriate for you. Without drugs you aren’t going to find many guys at 5’6" who have any business being beyond the 181’s.
Vytautas Lalas is only 5’10" and a pretty solid 330. So there ya go why not just get to a lean 300lbs at sub 6ft. No problem right? Rofl.[/quote]
meant to say this as well, exactly. although i definitely notice bigger jumps in strength with more calories, i need to cut down after to not get fat and maintain some sort of strength to bw ratio
At 5ft 3 and 140lbs I always take an interest in the light weight groups and its better to be lean rather than overweight for practical reasons, however to me its always about what you can lift in relationship to what you weigh ie a 3x your own bodyweight squat etc raw and drug free.
[quote]Rock978 wrote:
I’ll put it this way: the SHW from the example above has the strength to deadlift 605 lbs. The 132er does not have the strength needed to deadlift 605 lbs. As far as the deadlift is concerned, the SHW is stronger.
If that makes you upset or insecure, fine. Go ahead and tell the whole internet from behind your little keyboard about how often you get laid, but it won’t change the truth and that’s really not what any of us are here to talk about.[/quote]
ok why do weightclasses exist? i do think the “strong for your bodyweight” thing can be stretched at time, i mean yippee you bench 225, who cares if youre 130lbs but still. the 132 pounder pulling 600 is objectively more impressive than a shw
I think the meaning behind this thread has been lost. I’m not here to argue that a 2x bw squat is more impressive than a 1.25xbw squat if the larger guy still has a larger squat at a smaller bw ratio. I was simply implying that while what the smaller guys do is just as if not sometimes more impressive than the big guys, it seems to be the big guys throwing big weights around that motivates me to continue to push myself. I suppose its the same for bodybuilders, what natural bodybuilders do is amazing but when you see someone like Coleman or Heath It lights more of a fire under your ass than a smaller equally impressive natural body builder.
If a 242 Lifter and 198 Lifter both totaled the same amount…there is no doubt in my mind who is stronger, the lighter lifter. For me there is a difference between amount of weight lifted on a particular lift and who is stronger at the lift. There should be a delineation between lifting the most weight and who is stronger.
This is is coming from a guy who competes in the 242s and routinely gets his ass kicked total wise by lighter lifters. It tells me I have plenty of work to do, has nothing to do with abs, because my fat ass gets laid plenty.
I am a BW to Weight Lifted zealot I guess, I am more in awe of the little guy putting up 3.5 times his BW then the SHW lifting a shit ton of weight.
The original question was whether everyone has the same perspective; that they are more motivated by the most weight lifted. The fact that there is so much controversy easily answers the question that not everyone has the same perspective. I know that’s not what motivates me. I’m motivated by the most weight lifted by those most similar to me. Therefore, no, not everyone has the same motivation.
I’m not sure how this devolved into the typical wilks/strength by bodyweight crappola.
