Powerlifting Mentality About Size

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]Paul33 wrote:

[quote]osu122975 wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Patent nonsense. I can weigh a lot more than the 200-210 range I choose to stay in, but I’ve done it and it sucks. I’d much rather feel good and get as strong as possible in this weight range than chase a dream that will leave me a wheezing heart attack waiting to happen for the absurdly inadequate prize of: Slightly More Weight Lifted.

I really hope you can out-total the 198s on this site lifting in the 1500-1600 range if you are going to spew such ignorance.
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In powerlifting, more weight lifted = stronger lifter. No doubt there are unhealthy lifters. Powerlifting isn’t just strength, it’s also leverages.

You choose to stay at that weight because you feel better. That’s great. Gaining weight isn’t necessarily gaining fat as you are assuming.

It is impressive to watch smaller bw lifters move big weights, just not as impressive as whoever lifts the most weight. Dave Hoff has totaled more than anyone in the world (by multiply standards) at 275 - not a SHW. Ed Coan is a perfect example of gaining weight brought bigger lifts yet Ed wasn’t obese. Gaining weight doesn’t mean gain 10% extra body fat.

It’s all in the eye of the beholder. I’ve had a couple co-workers say they wanna get stronger but won’t do what’s necessary to get stronger (too afraid of losing their abs and not able to impress girls) Maybe some lifters are more worried about getting girls than moving more weight? I don’t know, but my goals are to move more weight. I’m already married - LOL!

[/quote]I really hope you can out-total the 198s on this site lifting in the 1500-1600 range if you are going to spew such ignorance.[/quote]

Why? What does it matter? Still doesn’t make me wrong that in powerlifting, the guy who moves the most weight is the strongest lifter. Fat ass or skinny ass, the guy who lifts the most weight is the strongest. What engine makes more torque, a Honda 4cyl or a Chevy 350? Doesn’t mean that the Honda engine isn’t good and strong, but it ain’t got more power than a 350. Size matters. (No pun intended).

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do you literally believe that if out of two lifters, one a superheavy and one weighing 132. the superheavyweight deadlifts 605, and the 132er deadlifts 600, do you genuinely believe that the shw is stronger???
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Not pound for pound but technically yes the SHW is stronger.

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Yes, I think the SHW is stronger and because of the weight difference, would probably mop the floor with a 132er if he caught him. :wink:

And if you look at my first post, you’ll see I clearly stated the DL is the only lift where there isn’t a massive difference between lighter and heavier lifters. This is more a leverage issue than a strength issue.

I can say it again tho - powerlifting is technique and leverages more than strength. The strongest guy may not always lift the most, but this is how we gauge strength in our sport.

A guy who can out deadlift me but not out bench me…who is stronger? The guy with the biggest total?

If you ask most powerlifters, it doesn’t matter how old you are or how much you weigh…just move the most weight you can and make no excuses. Some are blessed to be relatively ripped and very strong like Dan Green, Eric Lillybridge, Pete Rubish, Jesse Norris, Matt Kroc, etc. Those guys are rare. For the rest of us, we use at our disposal whatever allows us to lift more weight.

But understand the mentality, the real powerlifter wants to always lift more weight regardless of what it takes or what it costs. The only way Ed Coan continued to make progress was to gain weight. Sooner or later, you gotta do it or you’ll be spinning your wheels. Muscle takes a LOT of time to add. But, that’s if a lifter’s perspective is to lift more weight at any cost. If you’re happy being “X” bodyweight and making small to no gains - then be happy with that.

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I agree with you in terms of weight classes, but the discussion had to do regardless of weight classes and therefore it doesn’t matter. The one who lifts the most is strongest. It might be retarded to discuss it, but let us be retarded and discuss it.

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[quote]osu122975 wrote:

I agree with you in terms of weight classes, but the discussion had to do regardless of weight classes and therefore it doesn’t matter. The one who lifts the most is strongest. It might be retarded to discuss it, but let us be retarded and discuss it. [/quote]
Holy shit. This is like talking to a fuckung rock.

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Guys, guys…

“Strong” is a subjective term, it has many definitions. To me, the strongest lifter is the one who overcomes adversity despite many failures and all of the worst circumstances life can throw your way.

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Try to be as strong as you can. If this guy shows up in the parking lot and wants to take you on are your going to tell him about your wilks score or maybe he needs to rob someone in his own weight class? Pound for pound is more impressive but if you are stronger you are stronger.

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[quote]osu122975 wrote:

Some are blessed to be relatively ripped and very strong like Dan Green, Eric Lillybridge, Pete Rubish, Jesse Norris, Matt Kroc, etc. Those guys are rare. For the rest of us, we use at our disposal whatever allows us to lift more weight.

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Genetics play a role for sure, but I fucking hate it when “purist” powerlifters use that as an excuse not to watch their diet and nutrition. Maybe if people actually started doing that, these types of bodies won’t be so “rare” anymore. Just like the olds days of Arnie when powerlifting and bodybuilding weren’t mutually exclusive.

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[quote]osu122975 wrote:
Yes, I think the SHW is stronger and because of the weight difference, would probably mop the floor with a 132er if he caught him. :wink:

And if you look at my first post, you’ll see I clearly stated the DL is the only lift where there isn’t a massive difference between lighter and heavier lifters. This is more a leverage issue than a strength issue.

I can say it again tho - powerlifting is technique and leverages more than strength. The strongest guy may not always lift the most, but this is how we gauge strength in our sport.

A guy who can out deadlift me but not out bench me…who is stronger? The guy with the biggest total?

If you ask most powerlifters, it doesn’t matter how old you are or how much you weigh…just move the most weight you can and make no excuses. Some are blessed to be relatively ripped and very strong like Dan Green, Eric Lillybridge, Pete Rubish, Jesse Norris, Matt Kroc, etc. Those guys are rare. For the rest of us, we use at our disposal whatever allows us to lift more weight.

But understand the mentality, the real powerlifter wants to always lift more weight regardless of what it takes or what it costs. The only way Ed Coan continued to make progress was to gain weight. Sooner or later, you gotta do it or you’ll be spinning your wheels. Muscle takes a LOT of time to add. But, that’s if a lifter’s perspective is to lift more weight at any cost. If you’re happy being “X” bodyweight and making small to no gains - then be happy with that.
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nope.a real powerlifter wants to win. dan green cuts from around 245-250 down to 220, he would more than likely lift more without that weight cut, but he doesnt, because he wants to break the records in the 220s. jamie lewis does the same. a large majority do, but by your logic they arent “real powerlifters”. the 132er in that equation is just objectively more impressive. 99.9% of people would think so. sorry if you have your own parallel universe.

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[quote]Max8950 wrote:
Try to be as strong as you can. If this guy shows up in the parking lot and wants to take you on are your going to tell him about your wilks score or maybe he needs to rob someone in his own weight class? Pound for pound is more impressive but if you are stronger you are stronger. [/quote]

why is it always brought back to fighting? hed more than likely still beat the utter shit out of you weighing 330 or 230 or 130.

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to add to that, getting fat as shit just to potentially be stronger would make you more useless in a fight, because youd run out of gas in about 20 seconds

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[quote]Paul33 wrote:

do you literally believe that if out of two lifters, one a superheavy and one weighing 132. the superheavyweight deadlifts 605, and the 132er deadlifts 600, do you genuinely believe that the shw is stronger???
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Yes. The SHW lifted more weight, he is stronger.

And whoever made the comment about “I still like to get laid” just proved my point about the insecurity of guys who focus on strength:body weight ratios.

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[quote]Rock978 wrote:

[quote]Paul33 wrote:

do you literally believe that if out of two lifters, one a superheavy and one weighing 132. the superheavyweight deadlifts 605, and the 132er deadlifts 600, do you genuinely believe that the shw is stronger???
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Yes. The SHW lifted more weight, he is stronger.

And whoever made the comment about “I still like to get laid” just proved my point about the insecurity of guys who focus on strength:body weight ratios.

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but that would then mean that weightclasses are obsolete? do you think anyone is a greater powerlifter than ed coan? also that insecurity thing, maybe people just dont like to be fat fucks? when the hell was that a negative thing? i suppose every lean powerlifter is massively insecure

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[quote]budreiser wrote:

Holy shit. This is like talking to a fuckung rock.[/quote]

You mean like a Rock…as in The Rock? :wink:

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[quote]Destamoon wrote:
Genetics play a role for sure, but I fucking hate it when “purist” powerlifters use that as an excuse not to watch their diet and nutrition. Maybe if people actually started doing that, these types of bodies won’t be so “rare” anymore. Just like the olds days of Arnie when powerlifting and bodybuilding weren’t mutually exclusive.[/quote]

“Purist” powerlifters don’t watch their nutrition? I’m curious as to what a “purist” powerlifter is. Last time I heard the definition of a purist powerlifter was in the documentary “Power Unlimited” and it referred to 3 lift lifters and the rest were called specialists.

Big guys who aren’t shredded do watch their diets, but don’t think for a minute the guys who are shredded are any more healthy. That’s a major misconception. You’re placing too much emphasis on looks = healthy and it’s just not true.

The problem I have w/ guys who “wanna get laid” make excuses for not being as strong as they possibly could be because they’re more worried about the way they look and then talk shit about someone who carries more BF and is stronger than they are. Diet or not, hardwork or not, genetics play a huge role in the way a person looks. Of course the majority of them can overcome their genetics by other means, which most of them do anyway.

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[quote]Rock978 wrote:

[quote]Paul33 wrote:

do you literally believe that if out of two lifters, one a superheavy and one weighing 132. the superheavyweight deadlifts 605, and the 132er deadlifts 600, do you genuinely believe that the shw is stronger???
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Yes. The SHW lifted more weight, he is stronger.

And whoever made the comment about “I still like to get laid” just proved my point about the insecurity of guys who focus on strength:body weight ratios.

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How does that prove your point? If I turn into a fat 242 at 5’6, getting with moderately attractive women would be worlds harder. I fucking love powerlifting. But fuck all the retards on this site. Its the reason we don’t have any of the actually strong and helpful guys here anymore.

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[quote]Paul33 wrote:
but that would then mean that weightclasses are obsolete? do you think anyone is a greater powerlifter than ed coan? also that insecurity thing, maybe people just dont like to be fat fucks? when the hell was that a negative thing? i suppose every lean powerlifter is massively insecure[/quote]

If being fat was acceptable to society - do you think people would worry about being thin?

There’s a trend going on in this country that being fat is unacceptable. I would agree w/ obesity and being unhealthy being frowned upon. But being overweight by some bullshit standard that only third worlders could live up to is just nonsense.

Focus more on how you perform and less on how you look. If the two go hand in hand - Great! You have been blessed w/ very good genetics. But if not and you’re a powerlifter - focus on getting stronger and pushing more weight. That is the goal and if not, why bother competing?

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[quote]budreiser wrote:

[quote]Rock978 wrote:

[quote]Paul33 wrote:

do you literally believe that if out of two lifters, one a superheavy and one weighing 132. the superheavyweight deadlifts 605, and the 132er deadlifts 600, do you genuinely believe that the shw is stronger???
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Yes. The SHW lifted more weight, he is stronger.

And whoever made the comment about “I still like to get laid” just proved my point about the insecurity of guys who focus on strength:body weight ratios.

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How does that prove your point? If I turn into a fat 242 at 5’6, getting with moderately attractive women would be worlds harder. I fucking love powerlifting. But fuck all the retards on this site. Its the reason we don’t have any of the actually strong and helpful guys here anymore.[/quote]

Ed Coan was 5-6 242. Was he a fat ass?

See, if your focus wasn’t on getting laid, you wouldn’t have anything to worry about. Why waste time chasing something so difficult and dangerous these days? Find a good woman, get married, have kids and live the good life. Problem is: many guys are more committed to looking good than committed to anything else. Straight up vanity.

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[quote]budreiser wrote:

[quote]Rock978 wrote:

[quote]Paul33 wrote:

do you literally believe that if out of two lifters, one a superheavy and one weighing 132. the superheavyweight deadlifts 605, and the 132er deadlifts 600, do you genuinely believe that the shw is stronger???
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Yes. The SHW lifted more weight, he is stronger.

And whoever made the comment about “I still like to get laid” just proved my point about the insecurity of guys who focus on strength:body weight ratios.

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How does that prove your point? If I turn into a fat 242 at 5’6, getting with moderately attractive women would be worlds harder. I fucking love powerlifting. But fuck all the retards on this site. Its the reason we don’t have any of the actually strong and helpful guys here anymore.[/quote]

Yes, all those “retards” who think lifting more weight equates to being stronger are the reason there are no “strong and helpful guys here anymore.”

Are you 16, or just an adult stuck with a 16 year old’s brain?

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[quote]osu122975 wrote:

[quote]budreiser wrote:

[quote]Rock978 wrote:

[quote]Paul33 wrote:

do you literally believe that if out of two lifters, one a superheavy and one weighing 132. the superheavyweight deadlifts 605, and the 132er deadlifts 600, do you genuinely believe that the shw is stronger???
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Yes. The SHW lifted more weight, he is stronger.

And whoever made the comment about “I still like to get laid” just proved my point about the insecurity of guys who focus on strength:body weight ratios.

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How does that prove your point? If I turn into a fat 242 at 5’6, getting with moderately attractive women would be worlds harder. I fucking love powerlifting. But fuck all the retards on this site. Its the reason we don’t have any of the actually strong and helpful guys here anymore.[/quote]

Ed Coan was 5-6 242. Was he a fat ass?

See, if your focus wasn’t on getting laid, you wouldn’t have anything to worry about. Why waste time chasing something so difficult and dangerous these days? Find a good woman, get married, have kids and live the good life. Problem is: many guys are more committed to looking good than committed to anything else. Straight up vanity.
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difficult and dangerous!?

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I’ll put it this way: the SHW from the example above has the strength to deadlift 605 lbs. The 132er does not have the strength needed to deadlift 605 lbs. As far as the deadlift is concerned, the SHW is stronger.

If that makes you upset or insecure, fine. Go ahead and tell the whole internet from behind your little keyboard about how often you get laid, but it won’t change the truth and that’s really not what any of us are here to talk about.