[quote]John S. wrote:
Like I said, I do not know a lot about Ipf, I have seen a few vids from there comps and have seen close stance, which Is why I was asking about it. I personally follow the Ipa where widestance is almost always done.
This is just a question I was asking so I could learn more about my sport. Just like I ask about chains, boards, bands and stuff like that.[/quote]
The thing about the IPA is that it’s SO far removed from the IPF. It’s like watching beach soccer and saying it’s the same as a real match.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
John S. wrote:
Like I said, I do not know a lot about Ipf, I have seen a few vids from there comps and have seen close stance, which Is why I was asking about it. I personally follow the Ipa where widestance is almost always done.
This is just a question I was asking so I could learn more about my sport. Just like I ask about chains, boards, bands and stuff like that.
The thing about the IPA is that it’s SO far removed from the IPF. It’s like watching beach soccer and saying it’s the same as a real match.[/quote]
And that would explain why I know nothing about the IPF, which is why I was asking a question as to why they do it.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Like I said, I do not know a lot about Ipf, I have seen a few vids from there comps and have seen close stance, which Is why I was asking about it. I personally follow the Ipa where widestance is almost always done.
This is just a question I was asking so I could learn more about my sport. Just like I ask about chains, boards, bands and stuff like that.[/quote]
I think the main reason is each fed’s definition of ‘legal depth’ IPF requiresthe following:
Squat
The lifter shall face the front of the platform. The bar shall be held horizontally across the shoulders, hands and fingers gripping the bar, and the top of the bar not more than the thickness of the bar below the outer edge of the shoulders. The diagram on page 18 indicates the legal position of the bar across the shoulders. The hands may be positioned anywhere on the bar inside and or in contact with the inner collars.
After removing the bar from the racks, (the lifter may be aided in removal of the bar from the racks by the spotter / loaders) the lifter must move backwards to establish the starting position. When the lifter is motionless, erect with knees locked, and the bar properly positioned the Chief Referee will give the signal to begin the lift. The signal shall consist of a downward movement of the arm and the audible command �??Squat�??.
Before receiving the signal to �??squat�?? the lifter may make any position adjustments within the rules, without penalty. For reasons of safety the lifter will be requested to �??Replace�?? the bar, together with a backward movement of the arm, if after a period of five seconds he is not in the correct position to begin the lift. The Chief Referee will then convey the reason why the signal was not given.
Upon receiving the Chief Referee�??s signal the lifter must bend the knees and lower the body until the top surface of the legs at the hip joint is lower than the top of the knees. Only one decent attempt is allowed. The attempt is deemed to have commenced when the lifters knees have unlocked. The bar may move from its starting position downwards on the lifters back the thickness / diameter of the bar during the performance of the lift.
The lifter must recover at will to an upright position with the knees locked. Double bouncing at the bottom of the squat attempt or any downward movement is not permitted. When the lifter is motionless (in the apparent final position) the Chief Referee will give the signal to rack the bar.
The signal to rack the bar will consist of a backward motion of the arm and the audible command �??Rack�??. The lifter must then move forward and return the bar to the racks. For reasons of safety the lifter may request the aid of the spotter / loaders in returning the bar to, and replacing it in the racks. The lifter must stay with the bar during this process.
Not more than five and not less than two spotter / loaders shall be on the platform at anytime. The Referees may decide to the number of spotter / loaders required on the platform at any time 2, 3, 4, or 5.
Causes for disqualification of a Squat:
Failure to observe the Chief Referee�??s signals at the commencement or completion of a lift.
Double bouncing at the bottom of the lift, or any downward movement during the ascent.
Failure to assume an upright position with the knees locked at the commencement or completion of the lift.
Stepping backward or forward although lateral movement of the sole and rocking the feet between the ball and heel is permitted.
Failure to bend the knees and lower the body until the top surface of the legs at the hip joint is lower than the top of the knees, as in the diagram.
Any movement of the bar on the back more than the diameter / thickness of the bar below its starting position.
Contact with the bar or the lifter by the spotter / loaders between the Chief Referee�??s signals in order to make the lift easier.
Contact of the elbows or upper arms with the legs. Slight contact is permitted if there is no supporting that might aid the lifter.
Any dropping or dumping of the bar after completion of the lift.
Failure to comply with any of the items outlined under Rules of Performance for the squat.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
The thing about the IPA is that it’s SO far removed from the IPF. It’s like watching beach soccer and saying it’s the same as a real match.[/quote]
Ooo, a bit harsh that. But I see where you’re coming from.
The reason I like the IPF (and BWLA to some degree) is the strict yet consistant refereeing. (BDFPA is good but variable IMO) mind you not many of our clubs lifts would pass strict judging! But it’s mainly for fun and PR.
[quote]John S. wrote:
I could see how without the monolift it would be hard to set up correctly for wide stance.
But may I ask why there was no pause in the bench?[/quote]
For the club and guest comp we decided not to enforce the pause rule. This is mainly to allow any gym lifter to fit in easier. This meant that most of the experienced lifters took advantage! As you do!
[quote]Old Dax wrote:
John S. wrote:
I could see how without the monolift it would be hard to set up correctly for wide stance.
But may I ask why there was no pause in the bench?
For the club and guest comp we decided not to enforce the pause rule. This is mainly to allow any gym lifter to fit in easier. This meant that most of the experienced lifters took advantage! As you do![/quote]
Alright, I now understand why the lifts where done the way they where, If I had no monolift or power rack I prob wouldnt try wide stance squats either, and that makes a lot of sense not to inforce the pause rule expecially if your trying to open it up more for the public.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Old Dax wrote:
John S. wrote:
I could see how without the monolift it would be hard to set up correctly for wide stance.
But may I ask why there was no pause in the bench?
For the club and guest comp we decided not to enforce the pause rule. This is mainly to allow any gym lifter to fit in easier. This meant that most of the experienced lifters took advantage! As you do!
Alright, I now understand why the lifts where done the way they where, If I had no monolift or power rack I prob wouldnt try wide stance squats either, and that makes a lot of sense not to inforce the pause rule expecially if your trying to open it up more for the public.[/quote]
To clarify (or confuse!) IPF will allow a squat as wide as any you see IF the depth rule is adhered to.
Chuck V’s 1000+lb squat would’nt though as his feet are in contact with the rack (and its a monolift so wouldn’t be allowed and its a canvas suit etc…) Many IPF lifters have tried and still use ‘Westside methods’ after all they’re interested in getting stronger, they just need to adjust what they do to meet the rules of their fed.
[quote]Old Dax wrote:
Hanley wrote:
The thing about the IPA is that it’s SO far removed from the IPF. It’s like watching beach soccer and saying it’s the same as a real match.
Ooo, a bit harsh that. But I see where you’re coming from.
The reason I like the IPF (and BWLA to some degree) is the strict yet consistant refereeing. (BDFPA is good but variable IMO) mind you not many of our clubs lifts would pass strict judging! But it’s mainly for fun and PR.[/quote]
Haha “variable” is a VERY good word to describe the judging that went on at the world champs. So much nicer than “consistent…ly bad”.
And I think you’re right on with the rules. At out club champs this year there was some leeway given to the non-competitive lifters just to get them involved too and it worked great.
Yes, Hanley, I was a leetle disappointed at the quality (or lack thereof) of the reffing. Still you can only lift to the judges satisfaction wherever you lift.