I’ve only watched the first videos. Will watch the rest later. Here are my thoughts because its the internet and I can…
1.)I like most of his message. He is right about, “You are not in business for your critics” or however he put it. His message of not wasting time on those that criticize is a good one. Most often it does take more time and energy to win back a critic than to just push forward supporting those that support you. I also like his point about not letting the labels others put on you forcing you into defensive mode. The fact that someone says I am a jerk doesn’t mean I should flip a switch and start defending myself to them.
I do have a questions or two about guys like this, though…
2.) What is with the douchebag/tool look they all seem to adopt? And don’t give me any crap about how they are being individual. One does not express individuality by being like all of the other douchebags. Has anyone followed Brian Grasso lately? He’s gone from youth fitness expert to pierced tool-box.
3.) How can anyone not pick up on the gay vibes this guy is sending out? Hopefully we all know the research: that those who make the biggest deal about their “non-gayness” are really the ones with the most gay leanings.
4.) What is this guy going to be like when he is 40?
5.) I don’t know what you are paying this guy, but you can probably save some money by buying some books: Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz and Mindset by Carol Dweck come to mind. If you are really into the seminar thing look into the Landmark Forum. Be careful, they are not a cult, but do make use of some of the tools cults use.
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
I’ve only watched the first videos. Will watch the rest later. Here are my thoughts because its the internet and I can…
1.)I like most of his message. He is right about, “You are not in business for your critics” or however he put it. His message of not wasting time on those that criticize is a good one. Most often it does take more time and energy to win back a critic than to just push forward supporting those that support you. I also like his point about not letting the labels others put on you forcing you into defensive mode. The fact that someone says I am a jerk doesn’t mean I should flip a switch and start defending myself to them.
I do have a questions or two about guys like this, though…
2.) What is with the douchebag/tool look they all seem to adopt? And don’t give me any crap about how they are being individual. One does not express individuality by being like all of the other douchebags. Has anyone followed Brian Grasso lately? He’s gone from youth fitness expert to pierced tool-box.
3.) How can anyone not pick up on the gay vibes this guy is sending out? Hopefully we all know the research: that those who make the biggest deal about their “non-gayness” are really the ones with the most gay leanings.
4.) What is this guy going to be like when he is 40?
5.) I don’t know what you are paying this guy, but you can probably save some money by buying some books: Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz and Mindset by Carol Dweck come to mind. If you are really into the seminar thing look into the Landmark Forum. Be careful, they are not a cult, but do make use of some of the tools cults use.[/quote]
That’s him expressing HIM. Why are you looking at the outside?
He isn’t gay. It’s funny that guys keep saying that, but whatever.
Brain friendly translation: Arash earns a living by teaching others how to be a pick-up guru through seminars. Attendees become certified to hold their own seminars. The pattern continues. Engenders a network of people telling you how great they are. It’s like making a fortune by writing a book on how to make a fortune from writing books…[/quote]
I suggest you check out the website and his other recent videos FIRST before posting all this hate-fueled misinformation regarding what you THINK Arash does.[/quote]
It’s not “hate fuelled misinformation” at all. I made no judgement on Arash himself. My criticism is on the message being sold (emphasis on “sold”). It’s not revelatory and some of the tactics used in the videos are transparent. What will I see in the recent videos and the website that’ll change my mind?
Last time you told me he was booked up for Sept due to the Ultimate PUA convention. So I checked and it was two days long. Now, even I know there are more than two days in September. The student, who’s already being mentored, tries to book him months in advance and he turns him down, then uses him as an anecdote to warn the rest of the class how in demand he may or may not be? I’m quite happy to leave this thread be because I’m not going to rain on anyone’s parade, but…either you can’t see this or you’re covering up.
I’ll go with the latter because people always get a buzz off the newfound power this sort of thing brings.
I watched the vids. I’m just pointing out the reasons why it’s not game-changing "life enhancement " and why I’d have walked out of the room.
Brain friendly translation: Arash earns a living by teaching others how to be a pick-up guru through seminars. Attendees become certified to hold their own seminars. The pattern continues. Engenders a network of people telling you how great they are. It’s like making a fortune by writing a book on how to make a fortune from writing books…[/quote]
I suggest you check out the website and his other recent videos FIRST before posting all this hate-fueled misinformation regarding what you THINK Arash does.[/quote]
It’s not “hate fuelled misinformation” at all. I made no judgement on Arash himself. My criticism is on the message being sold (emphasis on “sold”). It’s not revelatory and some of the tactics used in the videos are transparent. What will I see in the recent videos and the website that’ll change my mind?
Last time you told me he was booked up for Sept due to the Ultimate PUA convention. So I checked and it was two days long. Now, even I know there are more than two days in September. The student, who’s already being mentored, tries to book him months in advance and he turns him down, then uses him as an anecdote to warn the rest of the class how in demand he may or may not be? I’m quite happy to leave this thread be because I’m not going to rain on anyone’s parade, but…either you can’t see this or you’re covering up.
I’ll go with the latter because people always get a buzz off the newfound power this sort of thing brings.
I watched the vids. I’m just pointing out the reasons why it’s not game-changing "life enhancement " and why I’d have walked out of the room. [/quote]
Ever heard of paralysis by analysis? Listen friend, it’s easy to categorize Arash along with the rest of the phonies out there who ARE doing exactly what you are talking about (I never refuted that).
Why don’t you really do some research. Hell, come meet the guy, if you live near the Bay Area and judge for yourself. Honestly, you’re just going off of what you see prevalent and making HUGE assumptions THINKING you know everything there is to know…
Just relax dude. As hard as it is to believe, there are GOOD people out there with truth and value to offer. You are entitled to your opinion. Arash only gives a shit about those who find his message inspiring and helpful. Not trying to seek validation (watch one of his videos in which he discusses that). I mean does it seem like I’m the least bit phased by what people say online?
Anyways, you’re entitled to your opinion. I really don’t care. I’m just commenting to say that you have Arash all wrong. That’s all.
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
I’ve only watched the first videos. Will watch the rest later. Here are my thoughts because its the internet and I can…
1.)I like most of his message. He is right about, “You are not in business for your critics” or however he put it. His message of not wasting time on those that criticize is a good one. Most often it does take more time and energy to win back a critic than to just push forward supporting those that support you. I also like his point about not letting the labels others put on you forcing you into defensive mode. The fact that someone says I am a jerk doesn’t mean I should flip a switch and start defending myself to them.
I do have a questions or two about guys like this, though…
2.) What is with the douchebag/tool look they all seem to adopt? And don’t give me any crap about how they are being individual. One does not express individuality by being like all of the other douchebags. Has anyone followed Brian Grasso lately? He’s gone from youth fitness expert to pierced tool-box.
3.) How can anyone not pick up on the gay vibes this guy is sending out? Hopefully we all know the research: that those who make the biggest deal about their “non-gayness” are really the ones with the most gay leanings.
4.) What is this guy going to be like when he is 40?
5.) I don’t know what you are paying this guy, but you can probably save some money by buying some books: Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz and Mindset by Carol Dweck come to mind. If you are really into the seminar thing look into the Landmark Forum. Be careful, they are not a cult, but do make use of some of the tools cults use.[/quote]
That’s him expressing HIM. Why are you looking at the outside?
He isn’t gay. It’s funny that guys keep saying that, but whatever.
Not paying him. Read both those books.
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It astounding how quick people are to drop the gay hammer.
Seems to me like the guy knows what he is talking about when he brings up heterosexual relationships.
If the people making the biggest deal about their “non-gayness” have the most gay leanings, what does that make the people who go around accusing others they don’t know of being gay?..takes one to know one.
Actually, I’m not making assumptions. Far from it. It naturally suits you to say that, but when I questioned the motives behind turning a paying student away because he be completely booked up by the end of the year, and telling a class full of other people about it (a simple “don’t bother trying to book me, I’m too busy”, would’ve sufficed instead of that self-aggrandizing display, which of course was to establish himself as a “high status” individual) , your explanation was that he was otherwise engaged with a two-day-long seminar, alongside a rogue’s gallery of PUAs with some of the douchiest, egocentric pseudonyms ever created:
But, you say Arash is a diamond in the rough. One of the good ones. So why is he teaching alongside these guys? They all preach the same thing (to be fair though, at least he hasn’t gone for a ridiculous handle)…
The delivery is slightly different, but the material is the same. Put 'em all in a nightclub and send them after the same girls and we’ll see who the “individuals” are.
The truth is elegant in its simplicity. There’s no need to resort to “paralysis by analysis” when real motives behind actions are easy to spot… If you look for natural behaviour over manufactured behaviour.
No overthinking required if you know that memory drives the way you present information. Surprised you’re not being taught this.
For someone who claims to be unfazed by my posts you do seem to be trying to undermine them a lot.
Actually, I’m not making assumptions. Far from it. It naturally suits you to say that, but when I questioned the motives behind turning a paying student away because he be completely booked up by the end of the year, and telling a class full of other people about it (a simple “don’t bother trying to book me, I’m too busy”, would’ve sufficed instead of that self-aggrandizing display, which of course was to establish himself as a “high status” individual) , your explanation was that he was otherwise engaged with a two-day-long seminar, alongside a rogue’s gallery of PUAs with some of the douchiest, egocentric pseudonyms ever created:
But, you say Arash is a diamond in the rough. One of the good ones. So why is he teaching alongside these guys? They all preach the same thing (to be fair though, at least he hasn’t gone for a ridiculous handle)…
The delivery is slightly different, but the material is the same. Put 'em all in a nightclub and send them after the same girls and we’ll see who the “individuals” are.
The truth is elegant in its simplicity. There’s no need to resort to “paralysis by analysis” when real motives behind actions are easy to spot… If you look for natural behaviour over manufactured behaviour.
No overthinking required if you know that memory drives the way you present information. Surprised you’re not being taught this.
For someone who claims to be unfazed by my posts you do seem to be trying to undermine them a lot.
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Eh whatever you say buddy. I just find it funny that you say all these things with such certainty without having even met the guy…
Actually, I’m not making assumptions. Far from it. It naturally suits you to say that, but when I questioned the motives behind turning a paying student away because he be completely booked up by the end of the year, and telling a class full of other people about it (a simple “don’t bother trying to book me, I’m too busy”, would’ve sufficed instead of that self-aggrandizing display, which of course was to establish himself as a “high status” individual) , your explanation was that he was otherwise engaged with a two-day-long seminar, alongside a rogue’s gallery of PUAs with some of the douchiest, egocentric pseudonyms ever created:
But, you say Arash is a diamond in the rough. One of the good ones. So why is he teaching alongside these guys? They all preach the same thing (to be fair though, at least he hasn’t gone for a ridiculous handle)…
The delivery is slightly different, but the material is the same. Put 'em all in a nightclub and send them after the same girls and we’ll see who the “individuals” are.
The truth is elegant in its simplicity. There’s no need to resort to “paralysis by analysis” when real motives behind actions are easy to spot… If you look for natural behaviour over manufactured behaviour.
No overthinking required if you know that memory drives the way you present information. Surprised you’re not being taught this.
For someone who claims to be unfazed by my posts you do seem to be trying to undermine them a lot.
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Eh whatever you say buddy. I just find it funny that you say all these things with such certainty without having even met the guy…
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So, now the videos aren’t enough to show off this blinding charisma you talk about? I’m familiar enough with the underlying methods of pick-up artistry or whatever else you want to call it to know what is being sold and the nature of the material/ product (actually studied body language for my own interest but the course also touched on PUA, NLP, hypnotherapy - they are all based on basic psychology and apply to anything from making an effective sale to picking up a one night stand at the Saturday night pox box). Part and parcel of selling the product is knowing how to construct a seminar and convey a dynamic presence.
It looks like revolutionary stuff but it isn’t. I’ve seen it all before. That’s why I say what I say with “such certainty”. Now you can respond with another “whatever you say, pal”, but if you seen the same material outside of Arash’s curriculum you’ll see that he hasn’t discovered all this himself…like everybody else in the same business, the role of mentor depends on seeming like their system was self-created. Go do a seminar with one of his competitors and you’ll see the similarities. Or save your money and do a side-by-side comparsion of the PUA seminars on Youtube.
If I asked you what sets Arash apart from his peers, you’d tell me about his dynamic persona. They all say that! They have to.
The fact that anyone would call one of these jackasses a mentor is dumbfounding. If you want to get a few tips about hooking up or having confidence, fine. But something is wrong with you if your mentor in life gives seminars wearing sweat pants, a beanie, and an extra small t-shirt that says “That’s What She Said”.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The fact that anyone would call one of these jackasses a mentor is dumbfounding. If you want to get a few tips about hooking up or having confidence, fine. But something is wrong with you if your mentor in life gives seminars wearing sweat pants, a beanie, and an extra small t-shirt that says “That’s What She Said”. [/quote]
He doesn’t need your validation, he’s just being himself!!!
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The fact that anyone would call one of these jackasses a mentor is dumbfounding. If you want to get a few tips about hooking up or having confidence, fine. But something is wrong with you if your mentor in life gives seminars wearing sweat pants, a beanie, and an extra small t-shirt that says “That’s What She Said”. [/quote]
He doesn’t need your validation, he’s just being himself!!![/quote]
That vague anecdote about the student wanting to hire Arash at the end of the year “for… sometime” but turning him away because he “won’t be accessible” is one of the most basic ways of creating a false demand known to man. The missed call was a plant as well to create an artificial need. [/quote]
Nice try but that guy actually exists and is still looking to hire him as a personal guru. Also he regularly gets calls and texts when he is lecturing. Sure you’re right about creating false demand and all that shit but it’s actually for real.
And the reason he won’t be accessible by the end of this year is because come September, he will be lecturing at the Ultimate PUA Convention along with Mystery, Matador and all the other big names in the pickup community. [/quote]
If he wasn’t available he’d have said so in private and wouldn’t have used the student to show how in demand he is.
Same goes for the NLP tactic of talking about how he read 90% of self-improvement books then points at the half empty bookshelf, visible in the tv screen. It must be a long shelf.
I know how seminars work. When are you going to strike out on your own?[/quote]
sigh Okay buddy…[/quote]
Well, aren’t you paying a powerful individual to teach you how to become a powerful individual so you can charge other people to hear how powerful and individual you are? The PUA community will back your claims that you’re a powerful individual, because they’re a community of powerful individuals. Except a community isn’t an individual.[/quote]
That made my head hurt.[/quote]
Brain friendly translation: Arash earns a living by teaching others how to be a pick-up guru through seminars. Attendees become certified to hold their own seminars. The pattern continues. Engenders a network of people telling you how great they are. It’s like making a fortune by writing a book on how to make a fortune from writing books…[/quote]
Actually, I’m not making assumptions. Far from it. It naturally suits you to say that, but when I questioned the motives behind turning a paying student away because he be completely booked up by the end of the year, and telling a class full of other people about it (a simple “don’t bother trying to book me, I’m too busy”, would’ve sufficed instead of that self-aggrandizing display, which of course was to establish himself as a “high status” individual) , your explanation was that he was otherwise engaged with a two-day-long seminar, alongside a rogue’s gallery of PUAs with some of the douchiest, egocentric pseudonyms ever created:
But, you say Arash is a diamond in the rough. One of the good ones. So why is he teaching alongside these guys? They all preach the same thing (to be fair though, at least he hasn’t gone for a ridiculous handle)…
The delivery is slightly different, but the material is the same. Put 'em all in a nightclub and send them after the same girls and we’ll see who the “individuals” are.
The truth is elegant in its simplicity. There’s no need to resort to “paralysis by analysis” when real motives behind actions are easy to spot… If you look for natural behaviour over manufactured behaviour.
No overthinking required if you know that memory drives the way you present information. Surprised you’re not being taught this.
For someone who claims to be unfazed by my posts you do seem to be trying to undermine them a lot.
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Eh whatever you say buddy. I just find it funny that you say all these things with such certainty without having even met the guy…
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So, now the videos aren’t enough to show off this blinding charisma you talk about? I’m familiar enough with the underlying methods of pick-up artistry or whatever else you want to call it to know what is being sold and the nature of the material/ product (actually studied body language for my own interest but the course also touched on PUA, NLP, hypnotherapy - they are all based on basic psychology and apply to anything from making an effective sale to picking up a one night stand at the Saturday night pox box). Part and parcel of selling the product is knowing how to construct a seminar and convey a dynamic presence.
It looks like revolutionary stuff but it isn’t. I’ve seen it all before. That’s why I say what I say with “such certainty”. Now you can respond with another “whatever you say, pal”, but if you seen the same material outside of Arash’s curriculum you’ll see that he hasn’t discovered all this himself…like everybody else in the same business, the role of mentor depends on seeming like their system was self-created. Go do a seminar with one of his competitors and you’ll see the similarities. Or save your money and do a side-by-side comparsion of the PUA seminars on Youtube.
If I asked you what sets Arash apart from his peers, you’d tell me about his dynamic persona. They all say that! They have to.[/quote]
Lol you just don’t get it and I just don’t care any more…feel free to write another short essay response.
That vague anecdote about the student wanting to hire Arash at the end of the year “for… sometime” but turning him away because he “won’t be accessible” is one of the most basic ways of creating a false demand known to man. The missed call was a plant as well to create an artificial need. [/quote]
Nice try but that guy actually exists and is still looking to hire him as a personal guru. Also he regularly gets calls and texts when he is lecturing. Sure you’re right about creating false demand and all that shit but it’s actually for real.
And the reason he won’t be accessible by the end of this year is because come September, he will be lecturing at the Ultimate PUA Convention along with Mystery, Matador and all the other big names in the pickup community. [/quote]
If he wasn’t available he’d have said so in private and wouldn’t have used the student to show how in demand he is.
Same goes for the NLP tactic of talking about how he read 90% of self-improvement books then points at the half empty bookshelf, visible in the tv screen. It must be a long shelf.
I know how seminars work. When are you going to strike out on your own?[/quote]
sigh Okay buddy…[/quote]
Well, aren’t you paying a powerful individual to teach you how to become a powerful individual so you can charge other people to hear how powerful and individual you are? The PUA community will back your claims that you’re a powerful individual, because they’re a community of powerful individuals. Except a community isn’t an individual.[/quote]
That made my head hurt.[/quote]
Brain friendly translation: Arash earns a living by teaching others how to be a pick-up guru through seminars. Attendees become certified to hold their own seminars. The pattern continues. Engenders a network of people telling you how great they are. It’s like making a fortune by writing a book on how to make a fortune from writing books…[/quote]
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The fact that anyone would call one of these jackasses a mentor is dumbfounding. If you want to get a few tips about hooking up or having confidence, fine. But something is wrong with you if your mentor in life gives seminars wearing sweat pants, a beanie, and an extra small t-shirt that says “That’s What She Said”. [/quote]
He doesn’t need your validation, he’s just being himself!!![/quote]
