Powerful/T-Vixen Women Speak Up Please

Training
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I just stopped on over here, and read thru the posts.

Here is what I see as a summary:

Women who lift heavy/powerlift/aren’t figure competitors shouldn’t be thought of as ‘non t-people’, as they do the same exercises/training as the men that have the same goals.

But we want a place just for women.

Sounds to me that it’s wanting two sides of the same thing.

Then why is there a site called ‘figure athlete?’

Well, its safe to safe that the cross-polination, if you will, doesn’t flow in that direction (i.e., women participating in power lifting/strength sports and the like DOES happen, IS Good, and should be supported, but you won’t see too many guys being figure athletes).

So, actually, you could say you get the best of both worlds: A female-only section, as well as the plethora of gender-neutral training tips and advices that populate the rest of this site.

Am I missing the mark?

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Let me guess.
English isn’t your primary language?

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Let me guess.
English isn’t your primary language?[/quote]

Wow, what a wonderful response there! I’m contributing a comment trying to point out something with an outsider’s viewpoint, and I get sarcasm in response.

I seemed to notice someone earlier in the thread giving a smart-ass response and all the women e-castrating him. Does that double standard apply here?

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[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
Let me guess.
English isn’t your primary language?

Wow, what a wonderful response there! I’m contributing a comment trying to point out something with an outsider’s viewpoint, and I get sarcasm in response.

I seemed to notice someone earlier in the thread giving a smart-ass response and all the women e-castrating him. Does that double standard apply here?

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That’s NOT sarcasm. I really can’t make heads or tails of what you are saying. Really.

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[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
Let me guess.
English isn’t your primary language?

Wow, what a wonderful response there! I’m contributing a comment trying to point out something with an outsider’s viewpoint, and I get sarcasm in response.

I seemed to notice someone earlier in the thread giving a smart-ass response and all the women e-castrating him. Does that double standard apply here?

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You’ll notice that regardless of where a thread is and the gender of the posters, most of the responses are sarcasm. Forget we’re women and remember you’re on T-Nation.

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
Let me guess.
English isn’t your primary language?

Wow, what a wonderful response there! I’m contributing a comment trying to point out something with an outsider’s viewpoint, and I get sarcasm in response.

I seemed to notice someone earlier in the thread giving a smart-ass response and all the women e-castrating him. Does that double standard apply here?

That’s NOT sarcasm. I really can’t make heads or tails of what you are saying. Really.

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OK, I’ll bite.

I’m basically saying this:

Women and men can both benefit from 85% of the articles and posts on this site. (Sure, maybe the ones about checking out women’s asses and chests don’t apply, but the training ones do).

Women don’t want watered down or ‘fluffy’ training articles, as the goals and exercises involved in lifting heavy or power lifting are GENDER NEUTRAL.

But you want a separate women-only section. But it can’t be a fluffy woman section.

I don’t GET that.

Does that make more sense?

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Luthor, maybe this thread isn’t for you :slight_smile:

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Are you asking a question, or making a statement?

What specific “woman only” section are you referring to?
Figure Athlete?
Muscle Sorority?
Powerful Women?

I don’t know what a “fluffy” woman is.

And I think most of this discussion has pretty much died out, since TC posted our requested Powerful Image last week, and some of the female PL competitive athletes have put their training videos up. As well as the Strongwomen competitors.

But I still don’t know what you’re trying to say.

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[quote]Jillybop wrote:
Luthor, maybe this thread isn’t for you :slight_smile:
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I was told to ‘stop over in the Powerful Women’ forum and see if I could contribute something. This was the first thread I saw.

I can vouch for the fact that sometimes it helps being an outsider looking at a problem or an issue. You aren’t so attached to it emotionally. So I was trying to help.

But if you’re saying I shouldn’t post my opinion in a FEMALE forum simply 'cuz I’m a guy, then you’re being a hypocrite for complaining that you have to deal with the MALE focus of this website.

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Are you asking a question, or making a statement?

What specific “woman only” section are you referring to?
Figure Athlete?
Muscle Sorority?
Powerful Women?

I don’t know what a “fluffy” woman is.

And I think most of this discussion has pretty much died out, since TC posted our requested Powerful Image last week, and some of the female PL competitive athletes have put their training videos up. As well as the Strongwomen competitors.

But I still don’t know what you’re trying to say.

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So, apparently reading comprehension wasn’t a high score for you in placement tests? (see how those comments sound?)

The thread hadn’t died out when I visited it this AM. It was one of the ‘top forum action’ threads listed.

I read 4+ pages of this thread, and I see that there is a request for WOMEN only sections (or better phrased, WOMEN-CENTRIC sections) to this site.

But in the same thread I see the point made that “women and men training for powerlifting do the same exercises and therefore can benefit from the SAME articles”.

In other words, I am asking: why do you need women-specific sections?

The “fluffy” comment was derived from someone mentioning that the FigureAthlete.com articles seemed to be full of “Glamour” or “Cosmopolitan”-type FLUFF.

So, if it’s STILL confusing to you, I say this:

If you lift like men, why separate yourself from the men?

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[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:
I was told to ‘stop over in the Powerful Women’ forum and see if I could contribute something. This was the first thread I saw.[/quote]

This isn’t really the thread I expected anyone to pick.

I also don’t think that’s what she was implying. Post away on the other threads, it just seems odd that you picked to post in the women speak up thread.

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[quote]pch2 wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:
I was told to ‘stop over in the Powerful Women’ forum and see if I could contribute something. This was the first thread I saw.

This isn’t really the thread I expected anyone to pick.

But if you’re saying I shouldn’t post my opinion in a FEMALE forum simply 'cuz I’m a guy, then you’re being a hypocrite for complaining that you have to deal with the MALE focus of this website.

I also don’t think that’s what she was implying. Post away on the other threads, it just seems odd that you picked to post in the women speak up thread.
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So, can I tell a woman to STAY OUT of a thread that’s titled “Hey T-Men…”?

I would venture to guess my balls would be removed with surgical precision through my internet connection.

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[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:

If you lift like men, why separate yourself from the men?[/quote]

Same reason there is an Over 35 Forum.

Some training issues are different for those of us who are over 35. Some non-training issues are different, too. Have you seen all the TRT threads in that forum? Why would a young man like yourself be interested in going into that forum?

Yeah, I’m old so I go into that forum, but I’m also female, and interested in Strength Sports, so I come here, too. Because there are female only issues, like training through a heavy period, or pregnancy, that have no place for someone without a vagina.

Do you REALLY want to discuss bra rash, or how the hell to get a bench shirt over a pair of D-cup breasts?

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:

If you lift like men, why separate yourself from the men?

Same reason there is an Over 35 Forum.

Some training issues are different for those of us who are over 35. Some non-training issues are different, too. Have you seen all the TRT threads in that forum? Why would a young man like yourself be interested in going into that forum?

Yeah, I’m old so I go into that forum, but I’m also female, and interested in Strength Sports, so I come here, too. Because there are female only issues, like training through a heavy period, or pregnancy, that have no place for someone without a vagina.

Do you REALLY want to discuss bra rash, or how the hell to get a bench shirt over a pair of D-cup breasts?

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No, I get that. I can say I DO NOT wanna talk bra rash (though I can tell you Gold Bond powder helps)…

My point is: Does there need to be
a MENS powerlifting thread, and a womens
a MENS strength sports, and a womans.
a MENs powerful image, and a womans?

My opinion is if 85% of the posts in the strength sports thread (for example) apply to men and women - GO RIGHT AHEAD and post a thread pertaining to a women-specific issue. But don’t go sequestering yourselves in a specific thread.

Cuz guess what will happen? You’ll stay there, we’ll stay in our corner, and all those ‘common ground’ subjects? I’ll never see those you put in, and you’ll never see mine. And that’s a shame.

It’s the same issue of creating a bunch of cells (like someone wanted a “former fat boy” cell). You split up or identify yourself by all these ‘subgroups’, the logical limit to that is we all have a single thread we belong to. Guess what - that sucks.

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[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:
So, can I tell a woman to STAY OUT of a thread that’s titled “Hey T-Men…”?

I would venture to guess my balls would be removed with surgical precision through my internet connection.
[/quote]

You’ve got a point there, post away.

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HEY!!!

here is a thread that may interest you folks

in the T-Cell it looks as if laroyal is asking if the trainers use any different methods for training women.

I hope they discuss nutrition also

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2390853

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I said it before and I’ll say it again. I’m trying to stop the arguing and back and forth between the men and the women on this subject. The thread that spawned this thread was full of misunderstandings and judgements and wrong assumptions.

It’s been done to death! I created this thread simply to have THE WOMEN state their opinion, hopefully for the last time and thankfully TC offered to hear it.

While the spirit of your initial post is appreciated your interpretation and summary is not needed. Let’s leave it for TC and Tim Patterson, OK? It’s NOT that you are not welcome here. I WAS JUST TRYING TO HAVE ONE SINGLE THREAD BE A PLACE WHERE WOMEN COULD JUST STATE THEIR THOUGHTS/OPINIONS DIRECTLY TO TC FOR HIS CONSIDERATION. That’s all : )

Don’t know where you are getting that we WANT a separate women’s only section. I don’t get that at all. And you missed what I considered the 3 most often repeated things in the thread.

For the most part we are happy here, see T-Nation for what it is and appreciate what is here.

We know that our experience here depends a large part on us and this forum is what we make it.

It would be nice (just nice, not a demand or a big fucking deal) if once in awhile there was a female in the powerful images, featured in an article or as the author of an article.

Holy fuckin’ oversimplification Batman! To boil down everything that was said about Figure Athlete to the word ‘fluffy’! Give me a break. This is the kind of shit that was going in that other thread (The Direction of T-Nation) that pissed me off and made me start this one.

You don’t have to agree with what the women here have said. You, or anyone else, don’t need to judge, criticize, belittle, or oversimplify it. Like I said before, let’s just let TC and Tim take what we’ve said into their consideration since that’s who the target audience is/was for this thread.

I wish TC would respond here publicly. Perhaps I’ll PM him, I just figure he gets so many it will get lost in the shuffle.

Good Night : )

[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:

OK, I’ll bite.

I’m basically saying this:

Women and men can both benefit from 85% of the articles and posts on this site. (Sure, maybe the ones about checking out women’s asses and chests don’t apply, but the training ones do).

Women don’t want watered down or ‘fluffy’ training articles, as the goals and exercises involved in lifting heavy or power lifting are GENDER NEUTRAL.

But you want a separate women-only section. But it can’t be a fluffy woman section.

I don’t GET that.

Does that make more sense?[/quote]

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Krista Schaus was just recently a PI and she is an author

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Yes! And several long time members have come back and started threads. Lurking women are coming forward and posting. Many good things are happening. All the more reason to keep this thread positive and why I get so frustrated when it is made to seem that the women are just whining.

Thanks, OG, for the post about laroyal’s thread in the t-cell. I PM’d him some thoughts on the subject. However, I’m thinking we should should have that thread here in Powerful Women where it would be open to a great deal more input. T-Cell is very limited in numbers and it’s main focus is bodybuilding and therefore, perhaps bodybuilding training would be mostly the focus of any discussion? I guess we should see what comes of his thread first?

Bad Bratt! Off topic! Me tired. Me go sleep now.

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[quote]Bratt wrote:
Yes! And several long time members have come back and started threads. Lurking women are coming forward and posting. Many good things are happening. All the more reason to keep this thread positive and why I get so frustrated when it is made to seem that the women are just whining.

Thanks, OG, for the post about laroyal’s thread in the t-cell. I PM’d him some thoughts on the subject. However, I’m thinking we should should have that thread here in Powerful Women where it would be open to a great deal more input. T-Cell is very limited in numbers and it’s main focus is bodybuilding and therefore, perhaps bodybuilding training would be mostly the focus of any discussion? I guess we should see what comes of his thread first?

Bad Bratt! Off topic! Me tired. Me go sleep now.

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Well that was my intention when I asked laroyal to start the thread.

I thought if it started in the T-Cell it wouldn’t be filled with some of the no-goods that just would be throwing in some junk.

And… this doesn’t mean the women can’t start their own thread about their training questions.

You may want to consider starting a thread in the main forums though if you want a larger audience. Some of the guys don’t check the women’s forums and it’s because sometimes they just don’t feel welcome and sometimes it is too filled up with just cheerleading.

Just do it, just start the threads you want. I don’t know if you need to have TC do it for you. He has already stepped up and done a great job fulfilling the PI request.