Is this simply about women lifting heavy weights, or the actual sport of powerlifting?
Because if it’s the former, I’m puzzled as to why you’re dismissive of the girls on Figure Athlete?
I’ve seen Olesya Novik–Editor-in-chief of FigureAthlete.com–do effortless rack pulls from below-the-knees, strapless, with 365.
Gina Aliotti could probably place very high in a bench press or squat competition.
Granted, their sport is about what you might perceive as superficialities, but their physiques far outshine many of the bodybuilding pioneers like Rachel McClish and even Cory Everson, who many of you seem to admire.
So help me out here.
Also, in regard to the post about Biotest being a business.
Yes, that’s true.
But you should know a few things.
Fewer than 1 percent of the people who buy our products have ever posted on the forum.
Beyond that, the female lifters who post constitute somewhere around .00000001 percent of our business.
So yes, it wouldn’t hurt us a great deal if we lost your business.
Yet here I am, asking what I can do for you…on a Sunday afternoon when I could be doing a whole lot of things that aren’t nearly as potentially frustrating.
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I will try to explain my position but really am fine the way things are. I am receiving the on-line support I need. I stop by here and read through some articles and occasionally post. I stopped my log because I just didn’t feel like I fit in. I still buy the supps.
I post on another site with figure girls that I absolutely adore. They train hard and I respect them. The reason that I have a problem with MWA is I feel they helped drive the male support away.
First we had the thread about what the guys could say. Then we had girls that couldn’t handle any criticism. I had a couple men pm me advice because they didn’t want to post constructive criticism on my thread and have people jump all over them. And the advice was great and it would have been nice for other members to benefit from it.
Things just seemed water down. I don’t blame it on T-Nation. It is just the way it is. Now if I wanted to change things, I would have to post in the other forums. So there was a solution but I decided against it.
I would love to see more members selected as power images. There are many figure girls selected for the figure images. I am not talking females. It can be male or female. There are male bbing members that would make great power images.
And thank you for agreeing to have Nate write an article on firebug. She is an amazing woman and has helped many T-Nation members including myself.
I have been asked for my input on the subject at hand so my two cents (let it be known that I see both sides to this dilemma).
As far as I can see, the ladies here have been given what they wanted (correct me if I’m wrong). There have been a lot of changes, and as a result, we have our own forum. I have no issues there.
The one thing I have an issue with is that we happen to have a few extremely fantastic female powerlifters here that have not been given any recognition whatsoever. Before shit hits the fan, I’m not turning this into a gender equality thing but I am now only speaking about ladies that powerlift at the moment.
Right above me, there is a lady that is as strong as they come, inside and out that surely at some point should have an interview or a photo or a story somewhere. There may not be a lot of photos on other various sites of female powerlifters but you’ve got a few of your own right here in your own backyard!!! They’re pretty cool too:)
Just saying, if you’re looking for some pictures or stories of strong women, you don’t have to look that far.
[quote]MsM wrote:
I have been asked for my input on the subject at hand so my two cents (let it be known that I see both sides to this dilemma).
As far as I can see, the ladies here have been given what they wanted (correct me if I’m wrong). There have been a lot of changes, and as a result, we have our own forum. I have no issues there.
The one thing I have an issue with is that we happen to have a few extremely fantastic female powerlifters here that have not been given any recognition whatsoever. Before shit hits the fan, I’m not turning this into a gender equality thing but I am now only speaking about ladies that powerlift at the moment.
Right above me, there is a lady that is as strong as they come, inside and out that surely at some point should have an interview or a photo or a story somewhere. There may not be a lot of photos on other various sites of female powerlifters but you’ve got a few of your own right here in your own backyard!!! They’re pretty cool too:)
Just saying, if you’re looking for some pictures or stories of strong women, you don’t have to look that far.[/quote]
So, I recieved a PM to take a look at this thread and also skimmed through the t-cell thread and here are a few (random) thoughts…
I totally respect the successful figure girls on the site, but I simply don’t give a shit about which suit color will look best with my hair(Metal gear only comes in black), or fake boobs (boobs + bench shirt = not fun). As a result, I don’t check out Muscle Sorority or MWA. Ever.
I used to check Powerful Women regularly, but stopped that too. Aside from Cheeta, I don’t know of any PLers that regularly post anymore. I now post training stuff on another site that is populated by men who compete in the same PL fed that I do (IPA).
And, while there are some goofy comments every once in a while, they never feel they need to tell me that I’m a WOMAN participating in a MAN’S sport or that my being part of the “boys club” is a privilege.
A lot of the guys seem to have a “this is TESTOSTERONE nation, you take what we give you” sort of attitude. Many of them adapt this sort of “t-man complex” where threads about what a real t-man would do pop up constantly. And I think its absolutely ridiculous.
A “real t-man” doesn’t constantly talk about being one and does not have to tell everyone how manly he is. And, I suspect that many of these “t-men” are the skinny fat guys that are just playing the role and have no clue what hard work really is.
I don’t see how the female strength athletes are any different from the men and I don’t thing we should be treated any differently. And, I would love to see both of them getting a little more recognition.
If I’m looking for info, I’ll post on Strength Sports. I’m not afraid of the boys.
And, as far as the powerful images/sexy women thing goes…They annoy me so I turned them off.
Bratt, thanks for the invitation. I’ve been following the thread. As I said in the T-Cell yesterday, I’m pretty happy. There’s so much information here for me, more than I can ever read, really, that it’s hard for me to get upset about what’s NOT here.
Along with the figure photos (which I have turned off, but encounter here and there) I’m seeing photos and videos of women I’ve interacted with, lifting for the sake of lifting.
Jillybop, Ronda, and Sic are three that come to mind. Ouroboro’s strong man competition…that was a huge charge for me. I’ve “known” her since she started, and her joy in the competition was incredibly contagious. I was thrilled about Ronda’s first chin-up.
Then there’s the T-Cell before and after photos…all different starting points and body types and goals. Again, a surfeit of wealth if it’s inspiration I seek (which it is).
At the same time, I recognize that my goals are evolving along with my body. So it’s hard for me to judge women who are years ahead of me in their journey for wanting things it perhaps hasn’t occurred to me to want yet.
I’ve been aware of firebug’s frustration for some time, and I sympathize. I enjoy reading her posts, and admire both her accomplishments and her spirit. So I guess what I’m saying in part is that I feel I have seen the powerlifters here.
Their influence is definitely felt. No less for me than the big bodybuilders. In fact, when I think of the most accomplished, firebug and Professor X both come to mind. Old Navy is another. I’m definitely aware that he’s out there rocking his goals. It doesn’t matter to me that the goals are different.
So I’m good. And thank you all for sharing your sport with me!
And I believe there was a question about what type of info/articles/threads we would like to see…
I would love to see some information about dieting and strength. Now, maybe I havent been looking in the right places, but this seems to be a topic that doesn’t get much attention.
I got a PM from Bratt, which is ironic because this AM was the first time I ever posted in Powerful Women, but… due to her request and TC’s… here goes.
[quote]TC wrote:
PW’s, help me out here.
I’m trying to gain some further understanding.
Is this simply about women lifting heavy weights, or the actual sport of powerlifting?[/quote]
I think we have a lot of different reasons for some similar goals, but my goal is to lift heavy weights, and tomorrow maybe lift some heavier weights.
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Because if it’s the former, I’m puzzled as to why you’re dismissive of the girls on Figure Athlete?[/quote]
Not dismissive of the girls… maybe it’s just because I grew up running around with boys, it’s just that the websites are different and I find myself more attracted to this one. I relate to a lot more of the attitude, or personality, or whatever you want to call it, that I gravitate to, here, then on FA.
This site seems sort of more real-life than FA. The forums have a ton of diversity, plus GAL, SAMA, Politics and the War Room allows a bit more of a social aspect which is nice. Most of the non-training discussions on FA consist of stuff like Beauty, Contest prep, Modeling… not really my interests.
Maybe it’s just an attitude problem, but logs of non-competitive women are more “real life” or interesting to me then logs of women whose primary goal is their next stage appearance. That being said, I do in general look forward with more interest to the articles on FA then to the articles here, not sure the reason for that one. I think there’s more variety.
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I’ve seen Olesya Novik–Editor-in-chief of FigureAthlete.com–do effortless rack pulls from below-the-knees, strapless, with 365.[/quote]
I’ll say, the time she and Jen Heath and other contributors take to read all the posts and respond to the majority of them is awesome.
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Gina Aliotti could probably place very high in a bench press or squat competition.
Granted, their sport is about what you might perceive as superficialities, but their physiques far outshine many of the bodybuilding pioneers like Rachel McClish and even Cory Everson, who many of you seem to admire.[/quote]
Acknowledged, but for me personally the topics covered around here seem more varied, such as the different sports, bodybuilding, powerlifting, etc.
Even if I don’t participate in all those activities I can learn from StrengthSports/Combat Sports/ Bodybuilding/ Nutrition/ Steroids, maybe I’m just sort of a physiology junkie, but from what I recall offhand of Figure Athlete, it’s forums revolve around things like Contest Prep and Beauty and Posing… so the meat of this site is just more interesting to me. It’s something kind of general I can’t put a finger on… this site fits my personality better.
I’ve always really appreciated being able to benefit so much from the information on this site even though that I’ve never ordered anything, and I really really plan to, promise… but I hafta pay for school too… Honestly I feel guilty being Level 0 and still posting up here.
However, I never would even be considering future supplements in my tight budget if it weren’t for this site, because over time I’ve been convinced of how important they are and of the quality of Biotest products. Heck, people post unsolicited talking about how great this or that product is.
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Yet here I am, asking what I can do for you…on a Sunday afternoon when I could be doing a whole lot of things that aren’t nearly as potentially frustrating.[/quote]
Much appreciated. I hope I expressed what I’m feeling well and wasn’t offensive or a waste of time to anyone. I’m pretty happy with how things stand, but I’m a relative beginner, so I might feel differently as I progress.
I’m happy with how things stand, though, but women who have been doing this longer than I have and who are more knowledgeable might have a very different perspective, so in that case I would defer to their opinions.
Power lifting women saying they “don’t have a place on the website (figureathlete.com)” is like me going on the BET.com forums and complaining that there is nothing on there for White Men and I feel left out.
[quote]EQTTRDR wrote:
Power lifting women saying they “don’t have a place on the website (figureathlete.com)” is like me going on the BET.com forums and complaining that there is nothing on there for White Men and I feel left out.
100% correct[/quote]
Great originality EQTTRDR…copying and pasting the same thing from five hours earlier. Awesome.
Anyways, back on topic, I think T-Nation and Figure Athlete are what you make of them. Do I find I fit in with the articles or journals/logs on FA? No. That’s why I’m on T-Nation. I’m more at home with “the boys” and the heavy female lifters that lift to lift.
Sure I want to look great, and I certainly appreciate the dedication it takes to do a fitness/figure comp, however that’s not what I’m about.
I enjoy the content of the articles here and I believe there is a good mix between strength/nutrition/etc. Do I think a “female specific” article would be nice, sure. However I also understand that as T-Women we can take an article directed at men and use it for ourselves. I’m not sure many guys would do the same (generalization I know, I’m sorry) with an article directed at women which would then limit the audience of the article.
I’ve followed the discussion in the T-Cell and more than anything I feel it’s put a bit of animosity and a bit of a ‘male vs. female’ spin on this site. I see both sides of the discussion but I feel it turned into a major mudslinging war.
I don’t think it should be about that and I know there are several T-Men that frequent PW - even if they don’t post. I don’t want to lose that because they feel “the girls” are “being girls”.
In summary: I take what I can get from where I can get it in order to learn more and push myself harder. If it’s T-Nation, FA, a PW’s thread, so be it.
[quote]Court wrote:
EQTTRDR wrote:
Power lifting women saying they “don’t have a place on the website (figureathlete.com)” is like me going on the BET.com forums and complaining that there is nothing on there for White Men and I feel left out.
100% correct
Great originality EQTTRDR…copying and pasting the same thing from five hours earlier. Awesome.
Anyways, back on topic, I think T-Nation and Figure Athlete are what you make of them. Do I find I fit in with the articles or journals/logs on FA? No. That’s why I’m on T-Nation.
I’m more at home with “the boys” and the heavy female lifters that lift to lift. Sure I want to look great, and I certainly appreciate the dedication it takes to do a fitness/figure comp, however that’s not what I’m about.
I enjoy the content of the articles here and I believe there is a good mix between strength/nutrition/etc. Do I think a “female specific” article would be nice, sure. However I also understand that as T-Women we can take an article directed at men and use it for ourselves.
I’m not sure many guys would do the same (generalization I know, I’m sorry) with an article directed at women which would then limit the audience of the article.
I’ve followed the discussion in the T-Cell and more than anything I feel it’s put a bit of animosity and a bit of a ‘male vs. female’ spin on this site. I see both sides of the discussion but I feel it turned into a major mudslinging war.
I don’t think it should be about that and I know there are several T-Men that frequent PW - even if they don’t post. I don’t want to lose that because they feel “the girls” are “being girls”.
In summary: I take what I can get from where I can get it in order to learn more and push myself harder. If it’s T-Nation, FA, a PW’s thread, so be it. [/quote]
I think this is a good post. Once you turn anything on this site related to our goals–which are all individual yet related, and so we can all learn from one another–into “male vs. female” it really undermines what makes this a great site to begin with.
Yes, some training and physique goals and therefore methods will be different for men and women (CW’s recent FA article comes to mind), but this is the real world, and we can coexist and learn together. Sort of like, maybe, BBer’s vs. PL’ers? So… I frankly like it this way…
I’ve chimed in twice on this discussion, so I feel kind of silly entering into debate with women whom I really respect and have learned from just in the course of reading here over the past two years.
I certainly don’t consider myself qualified to have significant input on the future of this site… but I know as a little chick noobie what I’ve learned from, so… the status quo is both very helpful and also entertaining to me.
I’ve posted briefly on this thread twice since the abovementioned issues sort of exploded last week; I think for a rookie, perhaps I’ve already said enough (Or, ALMOST enough :).)
There is obviously a lot brewing under the surface-and for that matter, in plain sight-re: TMagnum that I am totally oblivious of. Consequently, my take on things is based mainly on sic’s post last week, and other threads on PW.
My feeling is that in many contexts of life, it’s still gonna be a good long while before women will be considered the equal of men-just take a look at the annual analysis of what men and women earn doing the exact same work (I think we’re still at around 65ish%?in N. America).
That sort of thing I find disheartening, but I personally would rather go at things with a bit of subtlety and humour, rather than hostile and headfirst. This is just a matter of what I’m comfortable with, and not an indictment of the more direct approach!
Hell, when I was 14 I wrote a parody/treatise entitled “Why Women Comprise the Superior Sex…and Why Men Will Never Catch Up!”, purportedly penned by Wilhelmina Dalrymple (president of F.U.S.S.-Final Unification of the Superior Sex, or something like that; this WAS over 25 years ago!).
That little essay which was part of an English assignment had tongues wagging for a while in my large high school, but there was more controversy over whether or not a 14 yr. old wrote it All By Herself, than over the male/female issue so dear to Wilhelmina’s heart!
I’ve kinda lost touch with who the heck I was at 14, but as I have aged-incredibly gracefully!!-I have become a determined devotee of humour and ‘POSITIVE slyness’ over confrontation. A few years ago I filed a complaint with the Cdn Human Rights Tribunal when I (and at least 25 other women across Canada) were denied a fair shot at employment as firefighters with Transport Canada.
I don’t regret filing that complaint (took over 5 years and a pre-tribunal hearing, but I was awarded 15K ), but I didn’t exactly enjoy being a thorn in the side of a federal dept. My wonderful team of [female!] lawyers were great, and were careful not to sway my decision re: continuing with the tribunal vs. settling.
However, they did warn me that during a tribunal, Transport Canada’s lawyers would be out for blood: “Prepare yourself your being [figuratively] stripped naked in a court room”, I was told. Well, that just sounded like WAY! too much fun (the lawyers in the pre-tribunal hearing weren’t so sweet, already!), in addition to which most cases won by complainants are appealed…hence no $$ for years, for many ‘winners’.
Sooo, I wrote a ground-breaking??? essay at a tender age, fought a nasty battle with the gov’t from 20 something to 30 something, and I’ve attended a few International Women’s Day functions. When possible, I’ve advocated on behalf of women/for women…preferably behind the scenes, in a low-key (not necessarily less effective!) manner.
And I’ve observed women in ‘male-dominated’ positions sail along with humour without sacrificing their commitment to advancing their gender’s cause; I’ve also seen other women really shoot themselves in the foot with a heavy-handed lack of self-awareness-and no sense of humour!!
Yeah, sometimes ya gotta hunker down and fight…but my whole philosophy is informed by a sense of proportion, a vow to regard myself as objectively as possible, and a loathing of open conflict. And a sense of freakin’ humour, fer gawd’s sake.
There is so much good and bad in each and every one of us, male and female, and I would only encourage ALL of us to tap more of that innate good, and to try ultimately to inflict less pain in any guise, and offer more ‘succour’ to our fellow…[wo]man.
I’m sure as hell no saint, and I ain’t no Pollyanna, neither. I just strive!! to look at the bigger picture, while dealing with the smaller one. In my middle years!, I aim to pick my battles, and fight fire with WATER (not more hot fuel!).
Well, I’ve sure overstayed my welcome…especially for someone who started off with ‘well, ah’m not really qualified to comment’. OOPS-story of my life. Bottom line, I consider myself a human first, and then a women-but in my quiet[er] way, I will always try to be a part of ‘the sisterhood’. My few! words to live by: PERSPECTIVE, HUMOUR!! Oh yah, and ya do catch more flies with honey than vinegar, ya really do (thanks, Gram!).
[quote]Court wrote:
EQTTRDR wrote:
Power lifting women saying they “don’t have a place on the website (figureathlete.com)” is like me going on the BET.com forums and complaining that there is nothing on there for White Men and I feel left out.
100% correct
Great originality EQTTRDR…copying and pasting the same thing from five hours earlier. Awesome.
Anyways, back on topic, I think T-Nation and Figure Athlete are what you make of them. Do I find I fit in with the articles or journals/logs on FA? No. That’s why I’m on T-Nation. I’m more at home with “the boys” and the heavy female lifters that lift to lift.
Sure I want to look great, and I certainly appreciate the dedication it takes to do a fitness/figure comp, however that’s not what I’m about.
I enjoy the content of the articles here and I believe there is a good mix between strength/nutrition/etc. Do I think a “female specific” article would be nice, sure. However I also understand that as T-Women we can take an article directed at men and use it for ourselves. I’m not sure many guys would do the same (generalization I know, I’m sorry) with an article directed at women which would then limit the audience of the article.
I’ve followed the discussion in the T-Cell and more than anything I feel it’s put a bit of animosity and a bit of a ‘male vs. female’ spin on this site. I see both sides of the discussion but I feel it turned into a major mudslinging war.
I don’t think it should be about that and I know there are several T-Men that frequent PW - even if they don’t post. I don’t want to lose that because they feel “the girls” are “being girls”.
In summary: I take what I can get from where I can get it in order to learn more and push myself harder. If it’s T-Nation, FA, a PW’s thread, so be it. [/quote]
Court, I like your attitude.
Obviously, requests have not fallen upon deaf ears and hopefully the interview with Malinda (Firebug) will be just the beginning.
As far as the men vs women discussion, yes, there are men here that don’t like having us around or give us a hard time but so what? It’s been my experience that the majority are beyond supportive of us and many of them make efforts to follow our logs, encourage us and offer advice. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water here. That’s about all I have to say about the gender differences.
Looking forward to reading that interview and I think it’s a great start to promoting some of our female athletes that have posted here. We’re in a minority but I think the exposure might just spark some interest in getting some ladies involved in the sport that might have never thought of trying it before.
My little opinion but I’m looking at the big picture here.
The forums are here and set up for you. Many of us guys are glad you are here and we would like this to be a successful forum. It is up to the powerful women to make it so.
I feel like the definition of an athlete is someone who chases performance. Frankly, I’ve met figure competitors and think they’re great people…but I’m not entirely sure that figure competitions are a “sport” per say in and of themselves.
So basically, I think the new split to “figure athlete” is a bit ambitious…
But I’m also not looking to the PW forum for “online” support. I post around these parts to answer questions mostly (which is good practice for me as a trainer) and get more exposure to more types of people: athletes, figure competitors, and newbies. I also feel very strongly about supporting women in the weight room. Period. No questions asked. Training is a skill that few guys know how to do well and for lack of sufficient experience/knowledge/balls…even fewer women seem to approach the “boys side” of the gym with confidence… and that’s just stupid.
I keep a log elsewhere (crossfit boards - anathema, I know) and I’ve received a lot of advice and encouragement from men and women alike who want to up their lifts, cut their workout of the day times, and generally still look good naked. If I read the figure-ish articles on figureathlete I do it simply to make myself familiar with the lifestyle - but I think form follows function. Lift heavy and eat real food when hungry and you’ll look better than if not.
That said, I peruse the articles on occasion…try to see if Robertson mentions anything he hasn’t mentioned before on T-Nation. I like Krista Schaus’s approach to training and think Cassandra Forsythe is dependable resource. Leigh Peele’s had some good stuff in the past if I remember correctly. Even so, there’s a whole lot of fluff that gets put up there too. The simple truth of the matter is that lifting for women is not all that different than lifting for men (although apparently some idiot t-boys think differently…). I read the T-Nation articles because they apply to my goals. I can’t imagine a series of articles strictly for PW on powerlifting because that involve the same info.
I don’t count on T-Nation catering to me at all. I buy some products from here, don’t feel a need to buy more.
[quote]RenegadeRose wrote:
I feel like the definition of an athlete is someone who chases performance. Frankly, I’ve met figure competitors and think they’re great people…but I’m not entirely sure that figure competitions are a “sport” per say in and of themselves.
So basically, I think the new split to “figure athlete” is a bit ambitious…
But I’m also not looking to the PW forum for “online” support. I post around these parts to answer questions mostly (which is good practice for me as a trainer) and get more exposure to more types of people: athletes, figure competitors, and newbies. I also feel very strongly about supporting women in the weight room. Period. No questions asked. Training is a skill that few guys know how to do well and for lack of sufficient experience/knowledge/balls…even fewer women seem to approach the “boys side” of the gym with confidence… and that’s just stupid.
I keep a log elsewhere (crossfit boards - anathema, I know) and I’ve received a lot of advice and encouragement from men and women alike who want to up their lifts, cut their workout of the day times, and generally still look good naked. If I read the figure-ish articles on figureathlete I do it simply to make myself familiar with the lifestyle - but I think form follows function. Lift heavy and eat real food when hungry and you’ll look better than if not.
That said, I peruse the articles on occasion…try to see if Robertson mentions anything he hasn’t mentioned before on T-Nation. I like Krista Schaus’s approach to training and think Cassandra Forsythe is a dependable resource. Leigh Peele’s had some good stuff in the past if I remember correctly. I’d be interested to see just HOW Novik worked her way up to strapless rack pulls from below the knees with 365. Frankly, as far as the writing goes on figureathlete…there’s a whole lot of fluff that gets put up there. The simple truth of the matter is that lifting for women is not all that different than lifting for men (although apparently some idiot t-boys think differently…). I read the T-Nation articles because they apply to my goals. I can’t imagine a series of articles strictly for PW on powerlifting because that involve the same info.
I don’t count on T-Nation catering to me at all. I buy some products from here, don’t feel a need to buy more.
Thanks for considering my opinion, Bratt and TC.[/quote]
hear, hear. i second the above.
i learn much from this site from people with far more experience than me. i take what applies to my goals and works for me, the rest i simply toss.
From what I can tell the majority of the women here are grateful for the Powerful Women Forum. It is great! Thank you, much appreciated. Yes, the ball is in our court now and it was we make of it.
Thinking out loud: Would be nice if training logs were a special section within the forum but at the same time no reason the women can’t create their training log in the existing training log section.
IT’S NOT THAT THE WOMEN HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST FIGURE ATHLETES, THERE’S JUST NOTHING or LITTLE THERE FOR US.
Was surprised when MWA became FA. Was thinking MWA could have been more like T-Nation. More inclusive. Something like Female Strength Athlete. Content for all strength training women. Mostly about nutrition and training like T-Nation. Instead it became focused on Figure. I have nothing against them. Respect the effort they put in. Just completely foreign to me. Every other strength athlete lifts to build muscles. Figure athletes are discouraged from looking too muscular. They (most, not all) are more models than strength athletes. I actually feel physically uncomfortable over there. Soooo much focus on the external. I just can’t relate. I lift to get strong and brag about my 1RM ; ) I’m interested in powerlifting, Olympic lifting, strongman, etc. All strength sports except figure where the main goal is achieving a certain aesthetic. The focus is sooo narrow! I can relate more to a female bodybuilder or fitness competitor but it’s all about figure over there.
Have you read this? http://www.figureathlete.com/article/features/the_figure_athlete
Modeling, acting, star, Hollywood, talent agency.
After reading this it’s clear that Biotest has a very specific business goal with FA and I don’t fit into at all. I’m fine with that. I prefer it here. 95% of the content, experience and people that are applicable and valuable to me are here at T-Nation. I’m happy and comfortable here so please quit “referring” me to FA. P.S. Women have Testosterone too!
IT’S NOT THAT WE ARE NOT MOSTLY HAPPY HERE WE JUST HAVE A FEW SUGGESTIONS
Articles
What I have heard from most women is:
Would love to see the occasional article written by a female STRENGTH athlete.
Would love to see the occasional article written about a female strength athlete.
Thinking out loud: For example Melanie Roach. Have you read her story? Inspirational to ANYONE male or female. She trains hard. Lifts heavy. She’s an Olympic Weightlifter.
There’s been a lot of great stuff said here. I’ve certainly gained a new perspective on the whole subject of women and T-Nation.
There will always be guys here who don’t want us around and will be disrespectful. That’s life. Don’t let a few bad apples ruin it for you or push you away.
I have only seen one person asking for equal content here. Everyone else has simply ask that the very reasonable requests above re: occasional content be considered.
I’m thinking that it may not be as big of a deal as it appears to be. I think frustration levels are high due to communication and attitude problems. Women aren’t mad that they are not getting their way, they are frustrated by the reactions they have gotten. I think. I could be wrong. Like I said this issue is from before my time. I think good things have already come of this.
Thank you ladies for taking the time to write. All the best to you!
I think of Figure Athlete and T-Nation/Powerful Women as 2 separate entities…each having their own participants, plus some of us frequenting both sites for all the information that’s available on each.
The forums are what you make of them. This forum’s for the powerful women and I hope they keep posting here so I can continue to learn from them. Some times their training logs and posts are just as informative and interesting as any article I’ve ever read about powerlifting.
